killing raven sun Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 the secret of the knowledge of good and evil is that evil will always dominate good good can only do good, it is restrained in its action evil can do anything, even pretend to be good evil infiltrates good and leads good to do evil good will not even know they are doing evil believing in good vs evil is a mental dis ease it is a personal judgement based on emotion as the dis ease progresses it can become love love is the worst mental dis ease love is obsession, a partial blindness love allows one to kill for country or family love gives rise to hate at minimum one hates losing their love appreciation is the antidote to love the opposite is ignorance, a benign temporary state unlike love, one can appreciate everything even terrible things like suffering and death right and wrong are the state of the universe wrong is transitory, quickly being corrected by right if you do not eat the body tells you it is wrong you then will do the right thing, eat or die right is not opinion or emotion, it is the natural state 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 It sounds like you’re being hard lined on some weird shit. But okay, being ruled by emotions is not the way to go? Everyone wants to define love and it just gets away from us that a way. Like good old Massive Attack says: ”love is a verb. Love is a doing word...” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Michi713 said: Everyone wants to define love and it just gets away from us that a way. i have pointed out some attributes of love i am curious if you disagree is love not obsession? do people not kill for love? if you do not define terms they have no meaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Agape. Opposite of love is fear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 the opposite of fear is confidence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 IDK you are personifying evil, personifying good. Do you mean appreciate definition: understanding or appreciate: recognizing and enjoying the qualities of something. Neither of these are the antidote to the love I’m talking about. Are you God? Standing apart from all this and looking down on the foolishness or are you down here with us? Back to “defining” love. What is it to love someone, animal, plant, car? To care for it sometimes every day, to keep it alive or maintain, to have its welfare in mind instead of your own while doing the caring. To see when it’s hurting, in trouble, and intervening. It’s not a concept. It’s an action. Pochahontas was a friend of mine, pool hustler the best. She’d get you to put $100 on the table and she’d just walk off with it. Meth head, would lock her kid in a room all day while she got high. Went home, talked to a friend, asked about her. He says “yeah Pochahontas haha! Get this! She goes under the bridge and feeds homeless people haha!” It’s not funny! What made someone like that turn into someone out feeding people under a bridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I think it's letting go and opening up. So It can flow through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Michi713 said: IDK you are personifying evil, personifying good. Do you mean appreciate definition: understanding or appreciate: recognizing and enjoying the qualities of something. good and evil reside within the hearts of men they have no analogue in nature they are the definition of 'personified' a personal bias 5 minutes ago, Michi713 said: Back to “defining” love. What is it to love someone, animal, plant, car? To care for it sometimes every day, to keep it alive or maintain, to have its welfare in mind instead of your own while doing the caring. To see when it’s hurting, in trouble, and intervening. It’s not a concept. It’s an action. you have made the point for me your underlined words describe the problem if you love something to your own detriment that is wrong you will become depleted and your love will end this is the nature of all obsession 11 minutes ago, Michi713 said: Pochahontas was a friend of mine, pool hustler the best. She’d get you to put $100 on the table and she’d just walk off with it. Meth head, would lock her kid in a room all day while she got high. Went home, talked to a friend, asked about her. He says “yeah Pochahontas haha! Get this! She goes under the bridge and feeds homeless people haha!” It’s not funny! What made someone like that turn into someone out feeding people under a bridge? cool story i like her 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I like you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 the secret of the knowledge of good and evil is that evil will always dominate good to dominate means there is a conflict, if there is a conflict there is no domination good can only do good, it is restrained in its action evil can do anything, even pretend to be good evil infiltrates good and leads good to do evil good will not even know they are doing evil good does know when something bad is going on only a simplistic idea of good is of restraint of action, for instance the murder that Moses committed, such things in this world may be inevitable in extremis it is the alternation of "good" and "evil" that creates knowledge, that is the point without mountains you cannot climb climbing is not optional believing in good vs evil is a mental dis ease it is a personal judgement based on emotion as the dis ease progresses it can become love love is the worst mental dis ease if you know what good concrete is then you can build a bridge that works therefore that concrete is good ... you test your ideas in your life and learn what is good and what is not love is obsession, a partial blindness love allows one to kill for country or family love gives rise to hate at minimum one hates losing their love in order for knowledge to grow for beings of low consciousness there is only one way, through fighting, through physical bodies and conflict through this painful existence a great knowledge of life is gained and based on that the soul forms and is competent without battles you just don't know anything right and wrong are the state of the universe wrong is transitory, quickly being corrected by right if you do not eat the body tells you it is wrong you then will do the right thing, eat or die right is not opinion or emotion, it is the natural state wrong is quickly correct by right ... but I thought you said evil dominates ?? the body will tell you that you are hungry, but that is only one kind of intelligence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 29 minutes ago, rideforever said: the secret of the knowledge of good and evil is that evil will always dominate good to dominate means there is a conflict, if there is a conflict there is no domination wrong. to dominate means to control 32 minutes ago, rideforever said: good can only do good, it is restrained in its action evil can do anything, even pretend to be good evil infiltrates good and leads good to do evil good will not even know they are doing evil good does know when something bad is going on only a simplistic idea of good is of restraint of action, for instance the murder that Moses committed, such things in this world may be inevitable in extremis it is the alternation of "good" and "evil" that creates knowledge, that is the point without mountains you cannot climb climbing is not optional good must always do good if you are led to believe your evil actions are good, you cannot know you are doing evil this is what allows self described good people to kill they think they are doing good when in reality they are oppressing their fellow men as an example: christians in the military the biblical jesus would not join in state sponsored killing christians in the military are supporting evil they do this because they have been lied to and believe they are good they do it for love of country, love of politics and because they do not appreciate their perceived enemy 39 minutes ago, rideforever said: believing in good vs evil is a mental dis ease it is a personal judgement based on emotion as the dis ease progresses it can become love love is the worst mental dis ease if you know what good concrete is then you can build a bridge that works therefore that concrete is good ... you test your ideas in your life and learn what is good and what is not wrong. concrete that is made right can be called good but one mans good concrete may be inferior if he is an idiot good and evil are not represented in nature your ideas of the material world are hubris they are your personal emotions externalized deciding which personal ideals are good is delusional bias 48 minutes ago, rideforever said: love is obsession, a partial blindness love allows one to kill for country or family love gives rise to hate at minimum one hates losing their love in order for knowledge to grow for beings of low consciousness there is only one way, through fighting, through physical bodies and conflict through this painful existence a great knowledge of life is gained and based on that the soul forms and is competent without battles you just don't know anything wrong. the term 'low consciousness' is meaningless it comes from your personal bias i suspect you have a superiority complex it is common when you are young fighting never produces any benefit on this you cannot be more wrong 51 minutes ago, rideforever said: right and wrong are the state of the universe wrong is transitory, quickly being corrected by right if you do not eat the body tells you it is wrong you then will do the right thing, eat or die right is not opinion or emotion, it is the natural state wrong is quickly correct by right ... but I thought you said evil dominates ?? the body will tell you that you are hungry, but that is only one kind of intelligence you are confusing right and wrong with good and evil the two concepts are not interchangable right and wrong are described by nature good and evil are described by the self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 @killing raven sun Hi. And before I go and read back stuff. How funny we look debating what love is! There are people who can adopt the most difficult, abused, cast out, older children. The kind that other people return because they can’t deal with them. They can adopt them and care for them and still work and make dinner and function! That’s how I know love is an action, a practice that gets better over time. Pochahontas didn’t overnight go from derelict to Mother Theresa. This happened over a course of many years of practice. I’m like a fucking infant compared to those people who have learned to love over their whole lives. I’ll never be at that level. I have to stop teaching my own son and come over to you and talk so I won’t go crazy. And he’s mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 wrong. to dominate means to control I don't think so ... in prison there is no conflict because you are dominated. But in ordinary life there is conflict because there is a continuous exchange of good vs evil. Therefore evil does not dominate good. If there was no conflict then you would be right to be worried. But actually in life there is conflict everywhere. if you are led to believe your evil actions are good, you cannot know you are doing evil this is what allows self described good people to kill they think they are doing good This is too simplistic. We are all learning here. If you have to shoot someone to save 50, what do you do? The answers is you shoot. The end. So you do something bad but the end justified it. Likewise if you eat food, you are killing but you hope to be worthy of what you take. This world is imperfect. Don't worry about the physical, it is a tool to reach higher worlds. As for the military and Jesus, Jesus said that a house divided cannot stand, and even told his students to carry a sword. That is because life here is primitive and he understood that. He said "the poor will always be with you" ... this world is full of harsh lessons. Not ideologies, but practical reality that need practice answers. good and evil are not represented in nature Of course they are. When a tiger kills a deer, or a man a tiger. That is good and evil ... but on a physical level. Some deer are clever, they know how to hide. Others don't and get killed. This kind of physical intelligence is lower than the kind that humans have, but it is still intelligence. the term 'low consciousness' is meaningless it comes from your personal bias i suspect you have a superiority complex Yes I do, because I learnt something. Try it one day and stop repeating mantras. Actually get up off your backside and go into life and see what happens, otherwise you die with nothing except silly statements and no experience. What will it profit you to be like that ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Michi713 said: Hi. And before I go and read back stuff. How funny we look debating what love is! exploring the nature of love, or anything, is the process of learning never be ashamed of pursuing knowledge 21 minutes ago, Michi713 said: There are people who can adopt the most difficult, abused, cast out, older children. The kind that other people return because they can’t deal with them. They can adopt them and care for them and still work and make dinner and function! yes, but their motivations will vary some do it for pride, some for self punishment some do it for love, but love of what? suffering children? that is weird that is karma in action maybe they do it just because it is the right thing 26 minutes ago, Michi713 said: That’s how I know love is an action, a practice that gets better over time. Pochahontas didn’t overnight go from derelict to Mother Theresa. This happened over a course of many years of practice. love requires no practice a baby loves the sun, a familiar face, sitting up babies love much more than adults as you grow, the inclination is to narrow your love that is why most older people are bitter they have learned not to love but did not learn to appreciate 30 minutes ago, Michi713 said: I’m like a fucking infant compared to those people who have learned to love over their whole lives. I’ll never be at that level. I have to stop teaching my own son and come over to you and talk so I won’t go crazy. And he’s mine. do not tell your self you will fail you can do whatever you want negative thoughts are everyones biggest problem police your thoughts, arrest the negative replace with positive thoughts do this without rest if you must love, let it be your self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, rideforever said: wrong. to dominate means to control I don't think so ... words dont care what you think stick to the dictionary definitions or risk looking like a fool 46 minutes ago, rideforever said: if you are led to believe your evil actions are good, you cannot know you are doing evil this is what allows self described good people to kill they think they are doing good If you have to shoot someone to save 50, what do you do? The answers is you shoot. The end. one or fifty, it makes no difference i try to save people without murdering anyone 50 minutes ago, rideforever said: As for the military and Jesus, Jesus said that a house divided cannot stand, and even told his students to carry a sword. That is because life here is primitive and he understood that. He said "the poor will always be with you" ... this world is full of harsh lessons. Not ideologies, but practical reality that need practice answers. i hope you did not go to seminary school get your money back if you did 51 minutes ago, rideforever said: good and evil are not represented in nature Of course they are. When a tiger kills a deer, or a man a tiger. That is good and evil ... but on a physical level. Some deer are clever, they know how to hide. Others don't and get killed. This kind of physical intelligence is lower than the kind that humans have, but it is still intelligence. when anything kills anything that is death you need to show how hiding deer are evidence of good and evil in nature once again, 'physical intelligence' is a meaningless term 54 minutes ago, rideforever said: the term 'low consciousness' is meaningless it comes from your personal bias i suspect you have a superiority complex Yes I do, because I learnt something. Try it one day and stop repeating mantras. Actually get up off your backside and go into life and see what happens, otherwise you die with nothing except silly statements and no experience. What will it profit you to be like that ? a superiority complex is nothing to be proud of here are some of my accomplishments: happily married for over half my life master glass blower gourmet chef, specializing in vegetarian and live foods master mechanic, gas and diesel extensive knowledge of electrical and electronics farm owner/manager spiritual leader writer and i am still learning new things everyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 (edited) ... bla bla bla .... Edited September 17, 2020 by rideforever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 start again how? reincarnation? you not understanding the subject does not equal me having a chip on my shoulder your attitude is a stone around your neck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 There ya go. You got someone doing dialectics and stuff with ya. Love’s a doin word. Get it got it good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShillDaBill Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 OP sounds pretty arrogant and full of shit, enjoy my opinion. To do nothing is not good it is cowardly, and in alot of context would be evil, and vice versa. Your not messiah, your just a very naughty (and seemingly) deluded boy! Much love friend good luck with the "spiritual leading". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, ShillDaBill said: OP sounds pretty arrogant and full of shit, enjoy my opinion. what is there to enjoy about someones opinion? opinions are meant to reinforce ones own beliefs you are the only one who enjoys your opinion 5 minutes ago, ShillDaBill said: To do nothing is not good it is cowardly, and in alot of context would be evil, and vice versa. peculiar comment, since nobody has advocated "doing nothing" maybe you just needed to burn a straw man 7 minutes ago, ShillDaBill said: Your not messiah, your just a very naughty (and seemingly) deluded boy! incorrect usage of 'your', twice you wanted to use you're, a contraction of you are not sure about the 'naughty' part, maybe another incorrect usage? maybe you can point out where i seem deluded? 10 minutes ago, ShillDaBill said: Much love friend good luck with the "spiritual leading". well thanks, yeah its going quite well the people i help are very thankful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSky Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 That's some great skills you've got there OP. I'd be interested to see your glass work. Fascinates me to watch that. Do these produce wisdom and humility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 17, 2020 Author Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 minute ago, BlueSky said: That's some great skills you've got there OP. I'd be interested to see your glass work. Fascinates me to watch that. Do these produce wisdom and humility? i think you are asking whether my skills produce wisdom and humility just the opposite the act of learning skills develops wisdom humility is knowing there is no "best" just what you can do but to really benefit from any talent you must share it which i do freely teaching glassblowing, baking, music, ect. and i have changed many lives for the better at least according to my students Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 IDK man I’m kind of bummed out that you don’t understand me. I’m a grown ass woman taking to you. Not a student or a child. Chopping up and dissecting everything I said and reducing it to meaninglessness just bums me out. I thought I was making sense there haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Michi713 said: IDK man I’m kind of bummed out that you don’t understand me. how do you know im not just fucking with you? 2 hours ago, Michi713 said: I’m a grown ass woman taking to you. Not a student or a child. that is not how you appear, ass woman 2 hours ago, Michi713 said: Chopping up and dissecting everything I said and reducing it to meaninglessness just bums me out. im not here for emotional support maybe work on your reading comprehension if you are confused 2 hours ago, Michi713 said: I thought I was making sense there haha! very few people are qualified to think leave it to the experts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi713 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) Easy there turbo you might get me excited!! Edited September 18, 2020 by Michi713 Idk a bunch of giant unicorns got all over the comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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