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the secret of the knowledge of good and evil is that evil will always dominate good

 

good can only do good, it is restrained in its action

evil can do anything, even pretend to be good

evil infiltrates good and leads good to do evil

good will not even know they are doing evil

 

believing in good vs evil is a mental dis ease

it is a personal judgement based on emotion

as the dis ease progresses it can become love

love is the worst mental dis ease

 

love is obsession, a partial blindness

love allows one to kill

for country or family

love gives rise to hate

at minimum one hates losing their love

 

appreciation is the antidote to love

the opposite is ignorance, a benign temporary state

unlike love, one can appreciate everything

even terrible things like suffering and death

 

right and wrong are the state of the universe

wrong is transitory, quickly being corrected by right

if you do not eat the body tells you it is wrong

you then will do the right thing, eat or die

right is not opinion or emotion, it is the natural state

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It sounds like you’re being hard lined on some weird shit.  But okay, being ruled by emotions is not the way to go?

 

Everyone wants to define love and it just gets away from us that a way. 

 

Like good old Massive Attack says:

 

”love is a verb. Love is a doing word...”

 

 

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13 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Everyone wants to define love and it just gets away from us that a way. 

i have pointed out some attributes of love

i am curious if you disagree

is love not obsession?

do people not kill for love?

 

if you do not define terms they have no meaning

 

 

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IDK you are personifying evil, personifying good.  

 

Do you mean appreciate definition: understanding

 

or appreciate:  recognizing and enjoying the qualities of something.  


Neither of these are the antidote to the love I’m talking about.  Are you God?  Standing apart from all this and looking down on the foolishness or are you down here with us? 
 

Back to “defining” love.  What is it to love someone, animal, plant, car? 
To care for it sometimes every day, to keep it alive or maintain, to have its welfare in mind instead of your own while doing the caring.  To see when it’s hurting, in trouble, and intervening.  It’s not a concept.  It’s an action. 
 

Pochahontas was a friend of mine, pool hustler the best.  She’d get you to put $100 on the table and she’d just walk off with it.  Meth head, would lock her kid in a room all day while she got high.  Went home, talked to a friend, asked about her.  He says “yeah Pochahontas haha!  Get this!  She goes under the bridge and feeds homeless people haha!”  
 

It’s not funny!  What made someone like that turn into someone out feeding people under a bridge?  
 

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4 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

IDK you are personifying evil, personifying good.  

 

Do you mean appreciate definition: understanding

 

or appreciate:  recognizing and enjoying the qualities of something.

good and evil reside within the hearts of men

they have no analogue in nature

they are the definition of 'personified'

a personal bias

 

5 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

Back to “defining” love.  What is it to love someone, animal, plant, car? 
To care for it sometimes every day, to keep it alive or maintain, to have its welfare in mind instead of your own while doing the caring.  To see when it’s hurting, in trouble, and intervening.  It’s not a concept.  It’s an action. 

you have made the point for me

your underlined words describe the problem

if you love something to your own detriment that is wrong

you will become depleted and your love will end

this is the nature of all obsession

11 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

 Pochahontas was a friend of mine, pool hustler the best.  She’d get you to put $100 on the table and she’d just walk off with it.  Meth head, would lock her kid in a room all day while she got high.  Went home, talked to a friend, asked about her.  He says “yeah Pochahontas haha!  Get this!  She goes under the bridge and feeds homeless people haha!”  
 

It’s not funny!  What made someone like that turn into someone out feeding people under a bridge?  

cool story

i like her

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the secret of the knowledge of good and evil is that evil will always dominate good

to dominate means there is a conflict, if there is a conflict there is no domination


good can only do good, it is restrained in its action

evil can do anything, even pretend to be good

evil infiltrates good and leads good to do evil

good will not even know they are doing evil

good does know when something bad is going on

only a simplistic idea of good is of restraint of action,

for instance the murder that Moses committed, such things in this world may be inevitable in extremis

it is the alternation of "good" and "evil" that creates knowledge, that is the point

without mountains you cannot climb

climbing is not optional


believing in good vs evil is a mental dis ease

it is a personal judgement based on emotion

as the dis ease progresses it can become love

love is the worst mental dis ease

if you know what good concrete is then you can build a bridge that works

therefore that concrete is good ... you test your ideas in your life

and learn what is good and what is not 


love is obsession, a partial blindness

love allows one to kill

for country or family

love gives rise to hate

at minimum one hates losing their love

in order for knowledge to grow for beings of low consciousness

there is only one way, through fighting, through physical bodies and conflict

through this painful existence a great knowledge of life is gained

and based on that the soul forms and is competent

without battles you just don't know anything


right and wrong are the state of the universe

wrong is transitory, quickly being corrected by right

if you do not eat the body tells you it is wrong

you then will do the right thing, eat or die

right is not opinion or emotion, it is the natural state

wrong is quickly correct by right ... but I thought you said evil dominates ??

the body will tell you that you are hungry, but that is only one kind of intelligence
 

 

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29 minutes ago, rideforever said:

the secret of the knowledge of good and evil is that evil will always dominate good

to dominate means there is a conflict, if there is a conflict there is no domination

wrong.

to dominate means to control

 

32 minutes ago, rideforever said:

good can only do good, it is restrained in its action

evil can do anything, even pretend to be good

evil infiltrates good and leads good to do evil

good will not even know they are doing evil

good does know when something bad is going on

only a simplistic idea of good is of restraint of action,

for instance the murder that Moses committed, such things in this world may be inevitable in extremis

it is the alternation of "good" and "evil" that creates knowledge, that is the point

without mountains you cannot climb

climbing is not optional

good must always do good

if you are led to believe your evil actions are good,

you cannot know you are doing evil

this is what allows self described good people to kill

they think they are doing good

when in reality they are oppressing their fellow men

as an example: christians in the military

the biblical jesus would not join in state sponsored killing

christians in the military are supporting evil

they do this because they have been lied to and believe they are good

they do it for love of country, love of politics

and because they do not appreciate their perceived enemy

 

39 minutes ago, rideforever said:

believing in good vs evil is a mental dis ease

it is a personal judgement based on emotion

as the dis ease progresses it can become love

love is the worst mental dis ease

if you know what good concrete is then you can build a bridge that works

therefore that concrete is good ... you test your ideas in your life

and learn what is good and what is not 

wrong.

concrete that is made right can be called good

but one mans good concrete may be inferior if he is an idiot

 

good and evil are not represented in nature

your ideas of the material world are hubris

they are your personal emotions externalized

deciding which personal ideals are good is delusional bias

 

48 minutes ago, rideforever said:

love is obsession, a partial blindness

love allows one to kill

for country or family

love gives rise to hate

at minimum one hates losing their love

in order for knowledge to grow for beings of low consciousness

there is only one way, through fighting, through physical bodies and conflict

through this painful existence a great knowledge of life is gained

and based on that the soul forms and is competent

without battles you just don't know anything

wrong.

the term 'low consciousness' is meaningless

it comes from your personal bias

i suspect you have a superiority complex

it is common when you are young

 

fighting never produces any benefit

on this you cannot be more wrong

 

51 minutes ago, rideforever said:

right and wrong are the state of the universe

wrong is transitory, quickly being corrected by right

if you do not eat the body tells you it is wrong

you then will do the right thing, eat or die

right is not opinion or emotion, it is the natural state

wrong is quickly correct by right ... but I thought you said evil dominates ??

the body will tell you that you are hungry, but that is only one kind of intelligence
 

 

you are confusing right and wrong with good and evil

the two concepts are not interchangable

 

right and wrong are described by nature

good and evil are described by the self

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@killing raven sun

 

Hi.  And before I go and read back stuff.  How funny we look debating what love is! 😀

 

There are people who can adopt the most difficult, abused, cast out, older children.  The kind that other people return because they can’t deal with them.    They can adopt them and care for them and still work and make dinner and function!  

That’s how I know love is an action, a practice that gets better over time.  Pochahontas didn’t overnight go from derelict to Mother Theresa.  This happened over a course of many years of practice.  


I’m like a fucking infant compared to those people who have learned to love over their whole lives.  I’ll never be at that level.  I have to stop teaching my own son and come over to you and talk so I won’t go crazy.  And he’s mine.  
 

 

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wrong.
to dominate means to control

I don't think so ... in prison there is no conflict because you are dominated.
But in ordinary life there is conflict because there is a continuous exchange of good vs evil.

Therefore evil does not dominate good.

If there was no conflict then you would be right to be worried.

But actually in life there is conflict everywhere.
 
 
if you are led to believe your evil actions are good, you cannot know you are doing evil
this is what allows self described good people to kill  they think they are doing good

This is too simplistic.

We are all learning here.


If you have to shoot someone to save 50, what do you do?
The answers is you shoot.  The end. 

So you do something bad but the end justified it.

Likewise if you eat food, you are killing but you hope to be worthy of what you take.

This world is imperfect.

Don't worry about the physical, it is a tool to reach higher worlds.


As for the military and Jesus, Jesus said that a house divided cannot stand, and even told his students to carry a sword.  That is because life here is primitive and he understood that.

He said "the poor will always be with you" ... this world is full of harsh lessons.
Not ideologies, but practical reality that need practice answers.


 

good and evil are not represented in nature

Of course they are.
When a tiger kills a deer, or a man a tiger.
That is good and evil ... but on a physical level.
Some deer are clever, they know how to hide.

Others don't and get killed.
This kind of physical intelligence is lower than the kind that humans have, but it is still intelligence.

 

the term 'low consciousness' is meaningless
it comes from your personal bias
i suspect you have a superiority complex
Yes I do, because I learnt something.
Try it one day and stop repeating mantras.
Actually get up off your backside and go into life and see what happens,

otherwise you die with nothing except silly statements and no experience.

What will it profit you to be like that ?

 

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19 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

 

Hi.  And before I go and read back stuff.  How funny we look debating what love is! 😀

exploring the nature of love, or anything, is the process of learning

never be ashamed of pursuing knowledge

 

21 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

There are people who can adopt the most difficult, abused, cast out, older children.  The kind that other people return because they can’t deal with them.    They can adopt them and care for them and still work and make dinner and function!  

yes, but their motivations will vary

some do it for pride, some for self punishment

some do it for love, but love of what?

suffering children? that is weird

that is karma in action

 

maybe they do it just because it is the right thing

 

26 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

That’s how I know love is an action, a practice that gets better over time.  Pochahontas didn’t overnight go from derelict to Mother Theresa.  This happened over a course of many years of practice.  

love requires no practice

a baby loves the sun, a familiar face, sitting up

babies love much more than adults

as you grow, the inclination is to narrow your love

that is why most older people are bitter

they have learned not to love

but did not learn to appreciate

 

30 minutes ago, Michi713 said:

I’m like a fucking infant compared to those people who have learned to love over their whole lives.  I’ll never be at that level.  I have to stop teaching my own son and come over to you and talk so I won’t go crazy.  And he’s mine.  

do not tell your self you will fail

you can do whatever you want

negative thoughts are everyones biggest problem

 

police your thoughts, arrest the negative

replace with positive thoughts

do this without rest

 

if you must love, let it be your self

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45 minutes ago, rideforever said:

wrong.
to dominate means to control

I don't think so ...

words dont care what you think

stick to the dictionary definitions

or risk looking like a fool

 

46 minutes ago, rideforever said:

if you are led to believe your evil actions are good, you cannot know you are doing evil
this is what allows self described good people to kill  they think they are doing good
If you have to shoot someone to save 50, what do you do?
The answers is you shoot.  The end. 

one or fifty, it makes no difference

i try to save people without murdering anyone

 

50 minutes ago, rideforever said:

As for the military and Jesus, Jesus said that a house divided cannot stand, and even told his students to carry a sword.  That is because life here is primitive and he understood that.

He said "the poor will always be with you" ... this world is full of harsh lessons.
Not ideologies, but practical reality that need practice answers.

 

i hope you did not go to seminary school

get your money back if you did

 

51 minutes ago, rideforever said:

good and evil are not represented in nature

Of course they are.
When a tiger kills a deer, or a man a tiger.
That is good and evil ... but on a physical level.
Some deer are clever, they know how to hide.

Others don't and get killed.
This kind of physical intelligence is lower than the kind that humans have, but it is still intelligence.

when anything kills anything that is death

you need to show how hiding deer are evidence of good and evil in nature

 

once again, 'physical intelligence' is a meaningless term

 

54 minutes ago, rideforever said:

the term 'low consciousness' is meaningless
it comes from your personal bias
i suspect you have a superiority complex
Yes I do, because I learnt something.
Try it one day and stop repeating mantras.
Actually get up off your backside and go into life and see what happens,

otherwise you die with nothing except silly statements and no experience.

What will it profit you to be like that ?

a superiority complex is nothing to be proud of

 

here are some of my accomplishments:

 

happily married for over half my life

master glass blower

gourmet chef, specializing in vegetarian and live foods

master mechanic, gas and diesel

extensive knowledge of electrical and electronics

farm owner/manager

spiritual leader

writer

 

and i am still learning new things everyday

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OP sounds pretty arrogant and full of shit, enjoy my opinion.

 

To do nothing is not good it is cowardly, and in alot of context would be evil, and vice versa. Your not messiah, your just a very naughty (and seemingly) deluded boy! Much love friend 😃 good luck with the "spiritual leading".

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3 minutes ago, ShillDaBill said:

OP sounds pretty arrogant and full of shit, enjoy my opinion.

what is there to enjoy about someones opinion?

opinions are meant to reinforce ones own beliefs

you are the only one who enjoys your opinion

 

5 minutes ago, ShillDaBill said:

To do nothing is not good it is cowardly, and in alot of context would be evil, and vice versa.

peculiar comment, since nobody has advocated "doing nothing"

maybe you just needed to burn a straw man

 

7 minutes ago, ShillDaBill said:

Your not messiah, your just a very naughty (and seemingly) deluded boy!

incorrect usage of 'your', twice

you wanted to use you're, a contraction of you are

 

not sure about the 'naughty' part, maybe another incorrect usage?

 

maybe you can point out where i seem deluded?

 

10 minutes ago, ShillDaBill said:

Much love friend 😃 good luck with the "spiritual leading".

well thanks, yeah its going quite well

the people i help are very thankful

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1 minute ago, BlueSky said:

That's some great skills you've got there OP.  I'd be interested to see your glass work. Fascinates me to watch that.

Do these produce wisdom and humility?

i think you are asking whether my skills produce wisdom and humility

 

just the opposite

the act of learning skills develops wisdom

humility is knowing there is no "best"

just what you can do

but to really benefit from any talent

you must share it

which i do freely

teaching glassblowing, baking, music, ect.

and i have changed many lives for the better

at least according to my students

 

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IDK man I’m kind of bummed out that you don’t understand me.  I’m a grown ass woman taking to you.  Not a student or a child.   
Chopping up and dissecting everything I said and reducing it to meaninglessness just bums me out.  I thought I was making sense there haha!  😀
 


 

 

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2 hours ago, Michi713 said:

IDK man I’m kind of bummed out that you don’t understand me. 

how do you know im not just fucking with you?

 

2 hours ago, Michi713 said:

I’m a grown ass woman taking to you.  Not a student or a child.   

that is not how you appear, ass woman

 

2 hours ago, Michi713 said:

Chopping up and dissecting everything I said and reducing it to meaninglessness just bums me out.

im not here for emotional support

maybe work on your reading comprehension if you are confused

 

2 hours ago, Michi713 said:

I thought I was making sense there haha!  😀

very few people are qualified to think

leave it to the experts

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