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On 12/1/2020 at 7:50 AM, Given To Fly said:

God did not create the current existence of the illegitimate Israel. the Balfour Declaration did.

to think or believe that the current Israel exists is also to suggest or justify other british imperialist excursions during the 1900's ... are them colonial expeditions ok ?

 

There is the issue of using a capital first letter when naming places that really do not deserve it and vice versa using one when they do...

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Putin calls for closer EU-Belt & Road initiative partnership

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-12/12/c_139582826.htm

 

Israel, Russia and China pushing the UK and US out of the middle east to make way for the 4th industrial revolution technology transfers down the belt pipeline from China all the way to end of Europe.

 

Look where England is on the bunting cloverleaf map. This is what Brexit was about, it was never about "sovereignty"

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On 12/1/2020 at 7:50 AM, Given To Fly said:

God did not create the current existence of the illegitimate Israel. the Balfour Declaration did.

to think or believe that the current Israel exists is also to suggest or justify other british imperialist excursions during the 1900's ... are them colonial expeditions ok ?

 

Because people are greater than God? what if these people were just agents of his will?

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On 11/30/2020 at 11:58 AM, EnigmaticWorld said:

Did you know that during WWII the grand mufti of Jerusalem allowed muslims to serve in muslim only SS divisions? the deal was that he would provide the Germans with manpower and when Germany won the war they would help to get rid of any jews in Palestine.

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3 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Yep.

So its really a lot of give and take isn't it. The muslims were happy to use force to get rid of the jews with German help but they just didn't get their chance. Maybe it was divine will? Don't you think the jews knew what was planned by the mufti and his mates? 

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Just now, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

To a certain extent, but not everyone is trying to build a temple to enslave others. If lying and swindling is divine then we're screwed too.

So who is building what temple then? why would a temple be used to enslave anybody? isnt it a condition that the new messiah will build the 3rd temple? the jews have returned to Israel, so thats one element completed.

 

Doesnt God work in mysterious ways? what if the jews have been so successful in their endeavours because of divine help? to the people on the opposite side of the fence it might look like evil.

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3 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

So who is building what temple then? why would a temple be used to enslave anybody? isnt it a condition that the new messiah will build the 3rd temple? the jews have returned to Israel, so thats one element completed.

 

Doesnt God work in mysterious ways? what if the jews have been so successful in their endeavours because of divine help? to the people on the opposite side of the fence it might look like evil.

 

I'm not your noahide slave. I see what is going on and I'm sick of how you play ignorant.

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4 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

I'm not your noahide slave. I see what is going on and I'm sick of how you play ignorant.

Interesting reaction. Im not playing ignorant, I just want you to be clear on what you mean instead of making vague statements.

 

You do realise I'm not jewish dont you?

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1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said:

You do realise I'm not jewish dont you?

 

what does it mean to be 'jewish'?

 

What i'm seeing happening is that the freemasons want to build a third temple and imo they are being controlled by a sabbatean cult who are lurianic kabbalists

 

If you are in an occult society the chances are you have been influence by that current

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23 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

what does it mean to be 'jewish'?

 

What i'm seeing happening is that the freemasons want to build a third temple and imo they are being controlled by a sabbatean cult who are lurianic kabbalists

 

If you are in an occult society the chances are you have been influence by that current

lol, like usual you are seeing wrong Wavey. 

 

You use a lot of labels but you never seem to describe why you use those labels in the context of your claims.

 

What freemasons want to build the third temple? what proof do you have? is it all freemasons? 

 

Lurianic kabbalah is just one school of the subject. They dont all even agree.

 

Why the problem with sabbateans? is it because their founder claimed to be the messiah and you cant stomach that?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

What freemasons want to build the third temple? what proof do you have? is it all freemasons?

 

freemasonic fact checker websites claim to have debunked the following piece but i think that it does have some validity:

 

British Masons And US Fundis Launch Apocalypse

by Mark Sonnenblick
Executive Intelligence Review

Nov. 1, 2000

Here are a very few excerpts from a 25-page feature on those who plotted the Israeli Apocalypse and how to stop them, published in the Nov. 3 issue of Executive Intelligence Review:

.... Through months of investigation, more than 30 interviews, and a review of thousands of pages of primary source documents, some never previously made public, Executive Intelligence Review has established that the entire Temple Mount provocation is being run, top-down, by the most lunatic elements within the highest levels of British Freemasonry--with the blessing and involvement of members of the House of Windsor.

This Masonic control is exerted through the Quatuor Coronati "research" lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry, headed by the Queen's first cousin, the Duke of Kent, and run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquess of Northampton (Spencer "Spenny" Douglas David Compton), a maternal descendant of the Baring family, of British East India Company notoriety.

Lord Northampton, who has been atop the Temple Mount conducting "Temple studies," candidly has admitted in interviews, that he is an adherent of British Israelism, which holds that the British oligarchy has mystical powers, because England was colonized by one of the lost tribes of Israel. "I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the north of Wales, and then down into England. And then that became some of the oldest families we have."

On Oct. 16, Israeli police turned back members of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, as they attempted to enter the Dome of the Rock to anoint the cornerstone of a Third Temple....

Just three weeks earlier, Israeli authorities {had} permitted Ariel Sharon, the head of the Likud bloc, the notorious "Butcher of Sabra and Shatilla" Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, and a leading player in the Temple Mount apparatus, to enter the site, accompanied by thousands of Israeli security personnel....

On the day when Sharon staged his well-financed provocation at the Temple Mount, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators in New York City had reported that they were hours away from concluding an agreement, that would have restored the momentum to the peace process. The peace process had come to a screeching halt the instant that President Bill Clinton, under the influence of Vice President Al Gore and some treacherous advisers on the the President's Mideast team, had been convinced to raise the issue of the Temple Mount and Jerusalem at the Camp David summit last July....

It was at that moment [Sept. 28] that Sharon played the "Temple Mount card," and, literally, all holy hell broke loose.

- The Invisible Chain of Command -

It is no secret that Sharon is the most visible and prominent "godfather" of the Temple Mount fanatics inside Israel. The Ateret Cohanim yeshiva, located in the Old City of Jerusalem, is one of the hubs of Jewish underground guerrilla warfare activity, directed against the Islamic holy sites on the Temple Mount. Sharon has been a fixture at New York fundraisers of the Friends of Ateret Cohanim, as has his ostensible rival within the Likud, former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Sharon has reportedly been the conduit of millions of dollars to the Gush Emunim movement of Rabbi Moshe Levinger and the late Rav Zvi Yehuda Kook, which serves as a religious fundamentalist death squad, out of the Kiryat Arba settlement near Hebron, on the West Bank, and out of at least 130 other settlements dotted throughout the Israeli occupied territories, which Gush Emunim cadre have founded since the late 1960s.

(In February 1994, shortly after the signing of the OsloI Accords at the White House, a Kiryat Arba fanatic in the Israeli Defense Forces reserves, Baruch Goldstein, massacred scores of Islamic worshippers as they prayed at the Cave of the Patriarchs mosque in Hebron. Goldstein is heralded as a hero and a martyr by the Gush Emunim.)

- The Jerusalem Lodge -

In December 1995, the "Jerusalem" freemasonic lodge was established, adjacent to the Temple Mount, in the Grotto of King Solomon, to work for the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple. The lodge worked side by side with the on-the-ground networks of Jewish and Christian fundamentalist fanatics, to foment a bloody religious war over the control of the Temple Mount. That such a lodge would be founded shortly after the Israel-Palestine peace breakthroughs at Oslo--and just weeks after the assassination of Israel's Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, an architect of that peace--is surely no coincidence.

The Jerusalem Lodge was founded by the Grand Master of Italian Regular Freemasonry, Giuliano di Bernardo, the right-hand man of Lord Northampton on the Temple Mount project. At the ceremony launching the Jerusalem Lodge, Di Bernardo declared, "The rebuilding of the Temple is at the center of our studies." In June 1996, Di Bernardo published an Italian edition of his book, {Rebuilding the Temple}, which was to be published in English by the Quatuor Coronati Lodge.

In interviews, Di Bernardo candidly admitted that he has constructed an entire irrationalist "utopian" belief system, centered on the revival of Jewish Cabbalism and the rebuilding of the Temple. "A new utopia may be based on the Cabbala. I see a utopia based on Jewish mysticism, but Jewish mysticism as a place ... a material place, Solomon's Temple.... This is my intention. This is my will!"

Di Bernardo also let slip that Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith director Abe Foxman is a collaborator in the Temple Mount project....

American Christian Fundis Seek The Rapture Through Temple Mount Faithful founder Stanley Goldfoot, a member of the Stern Gang terrorist underground, Dr. Lambert Dolphin, a physicist at the Stanford Research Institute in Menlo Park, California, was brought to Jerusalem in the early 1980s....

Soon, massive amounts of money from American-based Darbyite Christian fundamentalists began pouring into the Jerusalem operations, aimed, ultimately, at blowing up the Muslim holy sites at the Temple Mount, and building the Third Temple. The American Jerusalem Temple Foundation was one early source of financing for this insane effort....

Dolphin made no bones about the fact that a great deal of blood would have to be shed for the Temple project to be completed. "Some things are clear," he wrote. "Sinful man can not approach a holy God without a suitable sacrifice. The shedding of blood is somehow necessary to make atonement for human evil. Even forgiven sinners need washing and regular cleansing in order to enjoy fellowship with their Creator.... God in His love wishes to teach us the depths of his love and forgiveness and mercy through the symbolism of the temple." ....

It is no small irony that the Darbyism preached by Dolphin, Missler, and the other central figures in the American Jerusalem Temple Foundation, is deeply anti-Semitic. At the core of the Gnostic "dispensational premillennarianism," advocated by Nineteenth-Century Anglican clergyman John Nelson Darby, is the belief that the extermination of the Jews, in a final battle of Armageddon, brought on by the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple, is the Biblical precondition for the second coming of the Messiah and the Rapture. Pastor Chuck Smith, Dolphin's mentor at the Calvary Baptist Church, when asked by {EIR} whether he had any compunctions about unleashing a holy war that would lead to the possible extermination of millions of Jews and Muslims, replied, "Frankly, no, because it is all part of Biblical prophesy." _____

https://www.freemasonrywatch.org/templemount_studies.html

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

freemasonic fact checker websites claim to have debunked the following piece but i think that it does have some validity:

 

British Masons And US Fundis Launch Apocalypse

by Mark Sonnenblick
Executive Intelligence Review

Nov. 1, 2000

Here are a very few excerpts from a 25-page feature on those who plotted the Israeli Apocalypse and how to stop them, published in the Nov. 3 issue of Executive Intelligence Review:

.... Through months of investigation, more than 30 interviews, and a review of thousands of pages of primary source documents, some never previously made public, Executive Intelligence Review has estalished that the entire Temple Mount provocation is being run, top-down, by the most lunatic elements within the highest levels of British Freemasonry--with the blessing and involvement of members of the House of Windsor.

This Masonic control is exerted through the Quatuor Coronati "research" lodge of the Grand Mother Lodge of British Freemasonry, headed by the Queen's first cousin, the Duke of Kent, and run on a day-to-day basis by the Seventh Marquess of Northampton (Spencer "Spenny" Douglas David Compton), a maternal descendant of the Baring family, of British East India Company notoriety.

Lord Northampton, who has been atop the Temple Mount conducting "Temple studies," candidly has admitted in interviews, that he is an adherent of British Israelism, which holds that the British oligarchy has mystical powers, because England was colonized by one of the lost tribes of Israel. "I think the tradition of the Kabbalah is very strong in England, because I think one of the lost tribes came to England. And I think you can spot them, quite clearly, in old English families. I am sure you can. I know they came to Ireland, then to the north of Wales, and then down into England. And then that became some of the oldest families we have."

On Oct. 16, Israeli police turned back members of the Temple Mount and Land of Israel Faithful Movement, as they attempted to enter the Dome of the Rock to anoint the cornerstone of a Third Temple....

Just three weeks earlier, Israeli authorities {had} permitted Ariel Sharon, the head of the Likud bloc, the notorious "Butcher of Sabra and Shatilla" Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, and a leading player in the Temple Mount apparatus, to enter the site, accompanied by thousands of Israeli security personnel....

On the day when Sharon staged his well-financed provocation at the Temple Mount, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators in New York City had reported that they were hours away from concluding an agreement, that would have restored the momentum to the peace process. The peace process had come to a screeching halt the instant that President Bill Clinton, under the influence of Vice President Al Gore and some treacherous advisers on the the President's Mideast team, had been convinced to raise the issue of the Temple Mount and Jerusalem at the Camp David summit last July....

It was at that moment [Sept. 28] that Sharon played the "Temple Mount card," and, literally, all holy hell broke loose.

- The Invisible Chain of Command -

It is no secret that Sharon is the most visible and prominent "godfather" of the Temple Mount fanatics inside Israel. The Ateret Cohanim yeshiva, located in the Old City of Jerusalem, is one of the hubs of Jewish underground guerrilla warfare activity, directed against the Islamic holy sites on the Temple Mount. Sharon has been a fixture at New York fundraisers of the Friends of Ateret Cohanim, as has his ostensible rival within the Likud, former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Sharon has reportedly been the conduit of millions of dollars to the Gush Emunim movement of Rabbi Moshe Levinger and the late Rav Zvi Yehuda Kook, which serves as a religious fundamentalist death squad, out of the Kiryat Arba settlement near Hebron, on the West Bank, and out of at least 130 other settlements dotted throughout the Israeli occupied territories, which Gush Emunim cadre have founded since the late 1960s.

(In February 1994, shortly after the signing of the OsloI Accords at the White House, a Kiryat Arba fanatic in the Israeli Defense Forces reserves, Baruch Goldstein, massacred scores of Islamic worshippers as they prayed at the Cave of the Patriarchs mosque in Hebron. Goldstein is heralded as a hero and a martyr by the Gush Emunim.)

- The Jerusalem Lodge -

In December 1995, the "Jerusalem" freemasonic lodge was established, adjacent to the Temple Mount, in the Grotto of King Solomon, to work for the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple. The lodge worked side by side with the on-the-ground networks of Jewish and Christian fundamentalist fanatics, to foment a bloody religious war over the control of the Temple Mount. That such a lodge would be founded shortly after the Israel-Palestine peace breakthroughs at Oslo--and just weeks after the assassination of Israel's Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, an architect of that peace--is surely no coincidence.

The Jerusalem Lodge was founded by the Grand Master of Italian Regular Freemasonry, Giuliano di Bernardo, the right-hand man of Lord Northampton on the Temple Mount project. At the ceremony launching the Jerusalem Lodge, Di Bernardo declared, "The rebuilding of the Temple is at the center of our studies." In June 1996, Di Bernardo published an Italian edition of his book, {Rebuilding the Temple}, which was to be published in English by the Quatuor Coronati Lodge.

In interviews, Di Bernardo candidly admitted that he has constructed an entire irrationalist "utopian" belief system, centered on the revival of Jewish Cabbalism and the rebuilding of the Temple. "A new utopia may be based on the Cabbala. I see a utopia based on Jewish mysticism, but Jewish mysticism as a place ... a material place, Solomon's Temple.... This is my intention. This is my will!"

Di Bernardo also let slip that Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith director Abe Foxman is a collaborator in the Temple Mount project....

American Christian Fundis Seek The Rapture Through Temple Mount Faithful founder Stanley Goldfoot, a member of the Stern Gang terrorist underground, Dr. Lambert Dolphin, a physicist at the Stanford Research Institute in Menlo Park, California, was brought to Jerusalem in the early 1980s....

Soon, massive amounts of money from American-based Darbyite Christian fundamentalists began pouring into the Jerusalem operations, aimed, ultimately, at blowing up the Muslim holy sites at the Temple Mount, and building the Third Temple. The American Jerusalem Temple Foundation was one early source of financing for this insane effort....

Dolphin made no bones about the fact that a great deal of blood would have to be shed for the Temple project to be completed. "Some things are clear," he wrote. "Sinful man can not approach a holy God without a suitable sacrifice. The shedding of blood is somehow necessary to make atonement for human evil. Even forgiven sinners need washing and regular cleansing in order to enjoy fellowship with their Creator.... God in His love wishes to teach us the depths of his love and forgiveness and mercy through the symbolism of the temple." ....

It is no small irony that the Darbyism preached by Dolphin, Missler, and the other central figures in the American Jerusalem Temple Foundation, is deeply anti-Semitic. At the core of the Gnostic "dispensational premillennarianism," advocated by Nineteenth-Century Anglican clergyman John Nelson Darby, is the belief that the extermination of the Jews, in a final battle of Armageddon, brought on by the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple, is the Biblical precondition for the second coming of the Messiah and the Rapture. Pastor Chuck Smith, Dolphin's mentor at the Calvary Baptist Church, when asked by {EIR} whether he had any compunctions about unleashing a holy war that would lead to the possible extermination of millions of Jews and Muslims, replied, "Frankly, no, because it is all part of Biblical prophesy." _____

https://www.freemasonrywatch.org/templemount_studies.html

Why would they conduct studies? because they might think there is something to learn there?

 

Come on, freemasonry watch website? you are not going to get a balanced article from there. Its no better than your opinion.

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3 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Why would they conduct studies? because they might think there is something to learn there?

 

A detachment of royla engineers had already done a dig into the temple mount. The officer leading the dig went on to become one of the founding members of the qatuor coronati lodge

 

he was also put in charge of the police investigation into the occult jack the ripper murders which failed to turn up a murderer

 

3 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said:

Come on, freemasonry watch website? you are not going to get a balanced article from there. Its no better than your opinion.

 

its just quoting the article from somewhere else

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1 minute ago, Macnamara said:

 

A detachment of royla engineers had already done a dig into the temple mount. The officer leading the dig went on to become one of the founding members of the qatuor coronati lodge

 

he was also put in charge of the police investigation into the occult jack the ripper murders which failed to turn up a murderer

 

 

its just quoting the article from somewhere else

Yes, many masons who had cash went exploring the ancient past.

 

 

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