ISRAEL

[wagdog19]

10 hours ago, shabbirss said:

im muslim, im pro palestine, but
a protest like this is just distasteful at this moment in time.
its just going to flare up everyones emotions against each other which the elites actually want.

having a quiet virgil for the loss of innocent lives (on both sides) would make more sense.

israel terrorizing palestinian people = wrong
hamas terrorizing israeli people = wrong

 

 

It's all about Iran. That's what Netanyahu alluded to ( "this will change the middle east"). Innocents on both sides are just patsies unfortunately. 

[Velma]

8 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Dr. Ahmad Shihab said the heifers were proof that “the Israeli government has a plan to cause a religious war in the region"

https://allisrael.com/almost-everything-is-ready-for-the-third-temple-claims-israeli-tv-report-on-red-heifers-brought-to-israel-last-year

 

 

When I saw this picture, I thought they had done it already, but Al Aqsa must go if the Third Temple is to be built.

 

 

 

[Talorgan]

30 minutes ago, Velma said:

 

When I saw this picture, I thought they had done it already, but Al Aqsa must go if the Third Temple is to be built.

 

 

 

Problem is some Christian groups even accept Revelation etc  as devine 

when it is more likely a script or could say predictive programming even

[Nemuri Kyoshiro]

11 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Agreed. That's them attempting to turn Christians into Noahides.

Yes, and lot of the stupid evangelicals will lap it up and start telling their flock that the rapture is imminent. They prey on peoples' ignorance of the bible, or, to be charitable, their knowledge of an apostate bible.

[Velma]

15 hours ago, shabbirss said:

im muslim, im pro palestine, but
a protest like this is just distasteful at this moment in time.
its just going to flare up everyones emotions against each other which the elites actually want.

having a quiet virgil for the loss of innocent lives (on both sides) would make more sense.

israel terrorizing palestinian people = wrong
hamas terrorizing israeli people = wrong

 

 

 

I agree, two wrongs don’t make a right, but if we do not demonstrate our opposition to the governments unconditional support for Israel, it may be construed as approval. Protest need not be violent or destructive, although righteous indignation can morph into an angry mob, as Thatcher’s regime experienced during the Poll Tax riot and as you indicate that plays into the Elite’s agenda.

 

Sir Simon Schama said these protests have nothing to do with the ethnic cleansing of occupied Palestine, decades of failed ‘peace talks’ and false promises about a two-state solution, illegal settlements and dawn raids in the West bank, house demolitions, detention without charge, extrajudicial killings by armed settlers and the IDF, who frequently desecrate the Al Aqsa mosque.

 

It has nothing to do with an inhumane siege inside 7-meter walls with checkpoints and daily humiliation; Schama says the protests are simply “hatred of Jews” and compared it to the ‘holocaust.’ If we don’t counter this false narrative where Israel is the victim and show solidarity with Palestinians, then we become silent witnesses to the genocide in Gaza and that makes us complicit.

 

[pete675]

Benjy has said that 'the attack on Gaza will reverberate for generations'. Sure.

 

Not a sensible man. Cf : 'The victory at Kursk will shine out like a beacon to the world'. 

 

Indeed the whole idea of Israel isn't sensible.

 

Bit like a group of Ku Klux Klansmen deciding to settle in half a dozen streets right in the middle of Harlem NY. 

[bamboozooka]

they say

israel iron dome is impenetrable

mossad is the most technological advanced itelligence agency

the idf are the most technologically advanced army

israel palestine border is the most monitored and secure

 

[wagdog19]

Hypothetical question. If apartheid era(early 80's) South African's were attacked and murdered in a similar vain, would the world media have reacted as they are now towards Israel? 

[Nemuri Kyoshiro]

8 minutes ago, bamboozooka said:

they say

israel iron dome is impenetrable

mossad is the most technological advanced itelligence agency

the idf are the most technologically advanced army

israel palestine border is the most monitored and secure

Conclusion: they let it happen.

[Nemuri Kyoshiro]

6 hours ago, Velma said:

I agree, two wrongs don’t make a right, but if we do not demonstrate our opposition to the governments unconditional support for Israel, it may be construed as approval. Protest need not be violent or destructive, although righteous indignation can morph into an angry mob, as Thatcher’s regime experienced during the Poll Tax riot and as you indicate that plays into the Elite’s agenda.

Better not wave a Palestinian flag to protest. The gummint is about to criminalize such an act of sedition.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supporting-hamas-in-uk-will-be-held-to-account-says-rishi-sunak

[Campion]

6 hours ago, Velma said:

and false promises about a two-state solution

 

Do you know where they are with the two state solution? I'm not well informed on it, but some years ago I heard that Israel was offering a version and Hamas rejected it, wanting to take over the whole territory (both Palestine and Israel). 

[pete675]

1 hour ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Better not wave a Palestinian flag to protest. The gummint is about to criminalize such an act of sedition.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supporting-hamas-in-uk-will-be-held-to-account-says-rishi-sunak

 

'People supporting Hamas' - does that include (in the early years of Hamas) the Israeli government? 

 

Also reading the Guardian, I discover that there are dozens of Britons serving in the Israeli army. Surely that's technically illegal, but doubt if Sunak is bothered about that illegal service. Why not? 

[EnigmaticWorld]

On 6/1/2022 at 3:02 PM, EnigmaticWorld said:

Anything that takes us towards one global monarch is sus.

 

These might be a nothingburger.

 

 

 

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

I support the right for Palestinians to have self-determination, but I doubt I would join any movement because they're hijacked by anti-western Marxoids.

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

[EnigmaticWorld]

What's the point in being anti-zionist if you're going to simp for communism, their other creation? Waste of time, especially if it's pound shop anti-zionism.

[EnigmaticWorld]

[Nemuri Kyoshiro]

3 hours ago, pete675 said:

 

'People supporting Hamas' - does that include (in the early years of Hamas) the Israeli government? 

 

Also reading the Guardian, I discover that there are dozens of Britons serving in the Israeli army. Surely that's technically illegal, but doubt if Sunak is bothered about that illegal service. Why not? 

It's that dual citizenship thingy that nobody seems to care too much about.

[Screamingeagle]

12 hours ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Conclusion: they let it happen.

https://davidicke.com/2023/10/11/israel-army-commander-quoted-as-saying-the-idf-inaction-over-hamas-attack-is-inexplicable/

 

"I happen to know how things work in Gaza and on the border. I was the commander of the Kerem Shalom sector (Rafih), I was in charge of the Kissuf sector, I know the perimeter fence very well, I know how the army works there. I was in the Shatti refugee camp in Gaza, I was in charge of the Jibaliya refugee camp, I would make ambushes on the fence and deep in the area. I met Gazans, ate and breathed Gaza.

The obstacle is built so that even a fox cannot pass it:

Set alerts according to 3 levels of pressure. She must alert when she is cut. There are 24/7 forces that are responsible for arriving within a few minutes, if not seconds, to the point where there is an alert in the fence. Every day do at least one penetration practice. Each subdivision has a standby squad whose role is to increase the force in an emergency situation.

Observations scattered along the border cover every inch of it. The female observers are champions in identification. They don’t miss. They detect movement even before it even approaches the obstacle – day and night. At problematic points (dead areas) they place a tank with observation and detection capabilities, and a terrifying firepower. In some cases snipers are deployed in the field.

Every day before dawn there is a “dawn alert” procedure. At this hour all the forces are awake (in this case also the hour when hundreds of terrorists entered Israel). The night shift alternates with the day shift. The commander of each force inspects the axis to make sure there were no infiltrations during the night. Trackers that move on the axis know how to recognize traces. They know who crossed the fence, how much and even when.

Each scenario has a clear procedure. For example, a procedure for infiltrating terrorists, a procedure for taking hostages. Everything is written in blood and has been proving itself for years

There are several other layers of security that this is not the place to talk about. In short, we are talking about an obstacle that proves itself for years and years.
So how the hell does a Palestinian tractor move towards the fence without anyone reacting to it?

How did the tractor manage to sabotage the fence for a long hour and open access to Israel without anyone reacting to it?"

[Velma]

12 hours ago, Nemuri Kyoshiro said:

Better not wave a Palestinian flag to protest. The gummint is about to criminalize such an act of sedition.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/10/people-supporting-hamas-in-uk-will-be-held-to-account-says-rishi-sunak

 

The world has been conveniently divided into two supposedly opposing sides - BRICS vs Zionists.

 

We were encouraged to fly Ukrainian flags, many are still flying in Scotland, but we are banned from displaying Palestinian flags, while 10 Downing Street has the Israeli flag emblazoned on its walls. Braverman, with the stroke of a pen, has made every Muslim in this country and anyone else who is opposed to ‘Operation Iron Sword,’ and openly expresses it, guilty of a “racially aggravated public order offence” and a desire to see “Israel erased from the world” while Gaza is being erased from the world. The consequences of this are already playing out, with a multi-story car park in Luton torched overnight and the airport is now closed.

 

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said, “We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly.” He may as well have said “goyim” but Chief Rabbi Sir Ephraim Mirvis, during his sermon at Downing Street, called them “bestial” which means something entirely different from “cattle.” Joe Biden called Hamas “sheer evil” and equated them with Isis, outlawing anyone who supports them. (Iran!)  Reiterating George Bush’s statement, “If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists” who the press claim are “beheading babies and holocaust survivors” when in fact, 260 children have been killed by airstrikes on Gaza. When you denigrate people to sub-human, anything goes.

 

[pete675]

6 hours ago, Velma said:

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said, “We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly.” He may as well have said “goyim” but Chief Rabbi Sir Ephraim Mirvis, during his sermon at Downing Street, called them “bestial” which means something entirely different from “cattle.” Joe Biden called Hamas “sheer evil” and equated them with Isis, outlawing anyone who supports them. (Iran!)  Reiterating George Bush’s statement, “If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists” who the press claim are “beheading babies and holocaust survivors” when in fact, 260 children have been killed by airstrikes on Gaza. When you denigrate people to sub-human, anything goes.

 

I'm surprised - or maybe not - that the leader of a tiny religious minority receives a knighthood. They don't give them away to the general moderator of the Welsh Presbyterian church or whatever, do they? 

 

Also, these press claims seem to suggest that Israeli government has started employing the services of Hill & Knowlton. Remember the tall tales about the Kuwait incubators? 

[EnigmaticWorld]

Satan is revealing the darkness, so fools may be “liberated” into Lucifer’s false light.

 

[Talorgan]

Perhaps the answer is simple

Not to wave a flag then everybody's on the same side

[EnigmaticWorld]

46 minutes ago, Talorgan said:

Perhaps the answer is simple

Not to wave a flag then everybody's on the same side

 

Depends what any activism leads to. If it's simply just a movement about supporting the rights of Palestinians then I would get behind it, but if there's strings attached then I'm not going near it. Same goes for any leaders that work with communists. I don't want a zio Atlanticist world order or a zio commie Eurasian world order.

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]