Is it just me or are ‘spiritual’ people fast asleep in the matrix?

[HistoryIsComplex]

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

I don't think it's right to think of people as people, they are animals now, they live like animals, godless, and die like animals and just don't care ... just like any other animal.  How it comes to be like this I don't know.

Staring at 2D content on flat screens 8 hours a day. That's how.

 

When you watch anything in flat 2D, your brain is massively burdened with converting it to a 3D image inside the brain.

 

If you have a medium-capacity brain, this means that 80% of your brain is 3D converting, and only 20% is paying attention to the actual content you are viewing.

 

2D for hours every day makes you STUPID. Which is why Television is called the "Boobtube".

 

[rideforever]

Something quite interesting on this planet ... afaik ... is that religions are very meek.

And the reason for this is that ... the people in those religions don't want to be killed by the hordes of crazy people.

But in fact the spiritual path does not really lead to being meek, but if you want to live long enough to be able to practice you have to do what it takes living in a nuthouse.

Same with the celibacy thing ... it's just practical.

Basically you are trying to leave this world because there is no saving it or the people in it.

 

[HistoryIsComplex]

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

Something quite interesting on this planet ... afaik ... is that religions are very meek.

And the reason for this is that ... the people in those religions don't want to be killed by the hordes of crazy people.

 

Religions don't allow you to "kill others". That is why religious people are NOT going against the Covid mask, distancing et cetera regulations.

 

They are keeping a WATCHFUL EYE on the NWO however. Its just that Covid has pinned them down in their homes in most countries.

[Dekka]

One aspect of this for me is to do with personal development. Or rather the lack of it where much of what is called "spiritualism" is concerned. Perhaps the mildness of a lot of new-agey types is a reflection that they do not believe that development - greater awareness, insight, ability to see the truth - requires a lot of personal work. It just happens when you "open your heart" or "accept Jesus/Hubbard/Osho into your soul" etc. Anyone who advocates work tends to have a much smaller audience. Gurdjieff for example. 

[HistoryIsComplex]

1 hour ago, Dekka said:

One aspect of this for me is to do with personal development. Or rather the lack of it where much of what is called "spiritualism" is concerned. Perhaps the mildness of a lot of new-agey types is a reflection that they do not believe that development - greater awareness, insight, ability to see the truth - requires a lot of personal work. It just happens when you "open your heart" or "accept Jesus/Hubbard/Osho into your soul" etc. Anyone who advocates work tends to have a much smaller audience. Gurdjieff for example. 

 

Quite a few religions actually tell their followers to "actively seek the truth", including Islam.

 

But modern living takes so much attention span that at the end of the day, 70% of people would rather relax with a Netflix movie than "seek truth" on anything.

 

If everyone were "completely awake", we'd have cities in space and colonies on Mars by now. Most people aren't.

 

[Dekka]

46 minutes ago, HistoryIsComplex said:

 

Quite a few religions actually tell their followers to "actively seek the truth", including Islam.

 

But modern living takes so much attention span that at the end of the day, 70% of people would rather relax with a Netflix movie than "seek truth" on anything.

 

If everyone were "completely awake", we'd have cities in space and colonies on Mars by now. Most people aren't.

 

 

Not sure that they mean the actual objective truth should be sought; more the truth as that particular religion decrees it to be? 

 

I'm feeling my way with this a bit, but I think real spirituality has to be linked to greater awareness and self-awareness. The reason being that the universe includes that facility for human beings to develop. But most religions appear to offer only fixed goals, rather like doing a crossword puzzle that someone else has put together; rather than striking out into the creative unknown.

 

I take your point about modern living. However, Gurdjieff mostly taught in cities because he reckoned modern life provides plenty of irritations; and without irritation it's not possible to grow (by resistance). 

[rideforever]

Jesus says if a man steals your coat then give him your cloak also ... and sell everything and follow me.  Ordinarily this is interpreted as charity, but I wonder if the truth is that it is not charity but the simple fact of survival.  The people on this planet fight each other over material imagining that material will protect them and they will strip you naked until there is nothing left.  The only way to pass by them unharmed is not to have any material.

Such is the state of human beings.

But in fact a human life, a physical life, including sexuality, can be fully spiritual at all levels ... but on this world you are lucky to get out at all.

History is a celebration of murder.

And the celebration of wealth is really the celebration of dishonesty and cunningness and exploitation.

The endless social discussion about who the bad people are and who the good people are ... is really just a subtle endless lynching.

And basically human society is barbaric just in a hidden way.

You can't win against people who are happy to live and die like this.
In the Tao Te Ching it says that you navigate this world by letting things take their course ... outwardly, in other words make no effort to interfere with anything at all.

But inwardly there is plenty of work you can do ... just don't ever let anyone know ... unless you are on the internet.

[Ethel]

3 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

I know these two people.  They seem to be really popular but I don't really see them teaching anything useful.

If you are a young person there are a lot of these kinds of people in front of you on the intertube.

 

Ralph Smart hasn't yet told me anything I don't know, Teal Swan does have some useful teachings, but only because she has plagiarized a variety of individuals far and wide.

[HistoryIsComplex]

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

And the celebration of wealth is really the celebration of dishonesty and cunningness and exploitation.

 

Wealthy people are celebrated - by MSM - because we are supposed to "live out our impossible wealth-dreams through them".

 

They are supposed to be WEALTH-AVATARS for us.

 

We are supposed to think "well, I'll never be that wealthy; but Bill Gates and Elon Musk are cool because they are... bla bla bla...".

 

No RATIONAL SOCIETY would make one man labour hard for 1 whole year to earn 25,000 Dollars, and let another earn 25K Dollars every HOUR.

[Messenger]

11 hours ago, HistoryIsComplex said:

New Age was about creating a "Godless Pseudo-Spiritual Controlled Opposition".

 

The PTB didn't want to fight true believers. So they created the New Age nonsense.

Not entirely. Some of the spiritual community, the true spiritual aspect comes from the monks and other centuries old traditions of following the true higher self, not the ego which most of humanity follow which would be worshiping money and the material items it buys, false idols such as people in hollywood actors and "models", and placing men and women in uniform on a pedestal, the whole "thanks for fighting for freedom" farce.

 

The old and true way of spiritual teachings do teach God but also teach that a person has within them the power to access higher consciousness. This is what I believe Ben Rich was talking about when he made that comment to Jan Harzan of MUFON about all points in time and space are connected.

 

The fact of the matter is that religion is a man made construct which many people don't like to admit because then it unravels their programming about what and who God is and where humans originated, and what happens to our soul after we die. Scary for a lot of people to think about so they hide behind religion so they can go on with their life.

 

TI need to do more research and speak to my mom about it because she has researched it a bit but there was a time when the "deep state" or dark force, whatever you want to call them, they killed a group of monks because they were high level advanced ascenders. I cannot remember right now if this was in Tibet or where but it reminds me of another similar story where the deep state and janet reno went into Waco TX and killed those people simply because they had removed themselves from the matrix/IRS control system and were trying to live off grid independently.

 

I don't speak for everyone but I'm sure there are some spiritual people who do believe in God or a force of creation, but the catholic church do not represent that and the strange wood carvings and upside down crosses are good indications that some dark shit is going on in the catholic religion. Even Christianity has been infiltrated by the dark force, zionism, as so many people who consider themselves Christians have been duped into believing that israel is their ally and that Jewish people are "chosen", which IMO is a load of rubbish, there are no "chosen" people, we all bleed the same color blood and are mortal beings who cannot take physical items with us when we pass, and that includes land that people wage war over.

[Messenger]

4 hours ago, HistoryIsComplex said:

 

Quite a few religions actually tell their followers to "actively seek the truth", including Islam.

 

But modern living takes so much attention span that at the end of the day, 70% of people would rather relax with a Netflix movie than "seek truth" on anything.

 

If everyone were "completely awake", we'd have cities in space and colonies on Mars by now. Most people aren't.

 

There are extremely wealthy people who allegedly already do have colonies on Mars, rothschild for one. James Casbolt aka Michael Prince made a quick comment about this in one of his interviews. Casbolt was married to and sired a child with the daughter of the Meyers grocery chain, Hailey. Sorry if I misspelled her name.

 

This gets into that area where it's difficult to prove the claims but in Whitley Streiber's book, Confirmation, he writes about some of the letters he received, thousands of them, regarding people's encounter or abduction where some people recount being on a planet that resembled Mars.

 

Captain Mark Richards also was allegedly deeply involved in the SSP (secret space program).

 

There are also people who have spoke about SSP and there apparently is a lot going on up there. Former minister of defense of Canada, Paul Hellyer, has literally said that there is a star wars taking place. Streiber has said the same thing. People don't believe it though because they cannot see it happening. I suppose we are not suppose to believe that there is air in our tires, since we cannot see the air. There also is no such thing as wind, right? Since we cannot see wind unless it acts upon a physical object. There is also no such thing as electricity until we flip a light witch and magically the lights turn on. No such thing as energy either since we cannot see it. lol

 

I think it is one of the reasons for the chemtrails, to block out activity in the sky, that and the reason why the FBI shut down all the largest telescopes across the US. I mean, if blocking the view from the sky doesn't speak volumes about activity going on up there then people surely are not as bright or awake as they believe, especially if they are going to spend most of their time on racial divide content. Most of these psyops are distractions to hide two major things happening, Pizzagate, and the space activity, which I believe are linked and I can point to the Dulce New Mexico underground base for anyone who wants to begin further research. Or the Greada treaty under Truman or Eisenhower.

[oz93666]

5 minutes ago, Messenger said:

There are extremely wealthy people who allegedly already do have colonies on Mars, rothschild for one. James Casbolt aka Michael Prince made a quick comment about this in one of his interviews.

 

Captain Mark Richards also was allegedly deeply involved in the SSP (secret space program).

 

There are also people who have spoke about SSP and there apparently is a lot going on up there. Former minister of defense of Canada, Paul Hellyer, has literally said that there is a star wars taking place.

 

This is all beyond doubt for people who have put in the time to investigate it ....

 

We have around 100 insiders all telling the same story ....

 

Bob Lazar was back engineering downed UFO's for the government  in Area 51 over 60 years ago ...Well how long do you think it takes them ??? The secret government has fleets of advanced craft , bases in many places in the solar system .... certainly over 1 million personnel . Personnel include some people inducted from the normal military , but mostly slaves taken from Earth ...the 'missing children'  .... they have advanced tech which can teleport you right out of your bed room and family sleeping in the next room would never know , the  secret government  is working with the Grey's and others ....

 

Advanced craft and tech are used to start forest fires , mess with weather , and dustify buildings on 9/11 ... Intel is this secret fleet of UFO type craft will soon be turned openly on humanity in a fake alien invasion ....

 

Until truthers get up to speed on this issue there is a gaping hole in their understanding.

 

[Messenger]

19 hours ago, oz93666 said:

 

This is all beyond doubt for people who have put in the time to investigate it ....

 

We have around 100 insiders all telling the same story ....

 

Bob Lazar was back engineering downed UFO's for the government  in Area 51 over 60 years ago ...Well how long do you think it takes them ??? The secret government has fleets of advanced craft , bases in many places in the solar system .... certainly over 1 million personnel . Personnel include some people inducted from the normal military , but mostly slaves taken from Earth ...the 'missing children'  .... they have advanced tech which can teleport you right out of your bed room and family sleeping in the next room would never know , the  secret government  is working with the Grey's and others ....

 

Advanced craft and tech are used to start forest fires , mess with weather , and dustify buildings on 9/11 ... Intel is this secret fleet of UFO type craft will soon be turned openly on humanity in a fake alien invasion ....

 

Until truthers get up to speed on this issue there is a gaping hole in their understanding.

 

Oz I'm right there with you my friend, but it is almost impossible for the average citizen to prove any of this.

 

In regards to the "spiritual" people being fast asleep per this thread topic, we just have to continue educating them and planting seeds.

[oz93666]

6 hours ago, Messenger said:

Oz I'm right there with you my friend, but it is almost impossible for the average citizen to prove any of this.

 

In regards to the "spiritual" people being fast asleep per this thread topic, we just have to continue educating them and planting seeds.

 

Hi M ... My opinion is that it's not too important to convince people now .... The ET's WILL show up so when it's on MSM people will believe ....

 

Best as we can tell ... after some more years,  when the Planet is in Total chaos ...and I do mean Total chaos ... then the beautiful arcturians will arrive in their ships with awesome tech , offering help to get us out of the mess ... They will also warn of an impending invasion from the Evil Reptilians ... and sure enough an attack will come , but the ships destroying Earths cities will not be piloted by reps ... but by humans under ET control ...So to this extent the invasion will be "fake " ....

 

The main message I want to get across is that all these ET's are malevolent and working with one another ... they are directing the human cabal and are the designers of the coming chaos....

 

So no one will believe this now , it sounds all to crazy ... But when it starts to unfold .. people may remember , the ones who saw it coming also warned against trusting any ET's at this time ...

 

I'm convinced humanity has only one way out ... Pray for Divine Intervention   

[Messenger]

Oz , do you really believe that all ET's are malevolent? I do not believe that based on some what I have read. Some people share stories that paint a different picture, some people having their own awakening and/or heightened level of consciousness post encounter. The evil ET's are already here wouldn't you agree?... the "reptilians" or Draco's. I often think that's where the phrase "Draconian laws" comes from. The various ET's, not all of them are working together to destroy humans, in fact based on some events it seems they have intervened in an effort to keep us from blowing ourselves up and causing massive damage to the solar system by the use of nuclear weapons. These I believe are the benign ET's, those which are cautious of humans because of our wars and misuse of technology (bombs).

 

I don't try to convince, I share what I have learned. Many people do, we are all teachers to one degree or another I think.

 

[oz93666]

1 hour ago, Messenger said:

Oz , do you really believe that all ET's are malevolent? I do not believe that based on some what I have read. Some people share stories that paint a different picture, some people having their own awakening and/or heightened level of consciousness post encounter. The evil ET's are already here wouldn't you agree?... the "reptilians" or Draco's. I often think that's where the phrase "Draconian laws" comes from. The various ET's, not all of them are working together to destroy humans, in fact based on some events it seems they have intervened in an effort to keep us from blowing ourselves up and causing massive damage to the solar system by the use of nuclear weapons. These I believe are the benign ET's, those which are cautious of humans because of our wars and misuse of technology (bombs).

 

I don't try to convince, I share what I have learned. Many people do, we are all teachers to one degree or another I think.

 

 

Certainly most physical ET's are benign and enlightened (to some extent) and so realize it's not for them to mess in our affairs , even if they see us under the jack boot of the evil ones ....If they tried to intervene publicly they know this would cause a fire fight with the Anunaki , and the reps and Arcturians who help them ... they would use humanity as hostage and kill us all before surrender  ....

 

There is evidence of what you say about help from ET's  ....

 

"One of the more out-of-the-ordinary press conferences held in Washington this week consisted of former Air Force personnel testifying to the existence of UFOs and their ability to neutralize American and Russian nuclear missiles.

UFO researcher Robert Hastings of Albuquerque, N.M., who organized the National Press Club briefing, said more than 120 former service members had told him they'd seen unidentified flying objects near nuclear weapon storage and testing grounds.

Star & Stripes quoted former Air Force Capt. Robert Salas, who was at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana in 1967 when 10 ICMs he was overseeing suddenly became inoperative - at the same time base security informed him of a mysterious red glowing object in the sky.

Robert Jamison, a retired USAF nuclear missile targeting officer, told of several occasions having to go out and "re-start" missiles that had been deactivated, after UFOs were sighted nearby.

Similar sightings at nuclear sites in the former Soviet Union and in Britain were related..."    ... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-air-force-personnel-ufos-deactivated-nukes/

 

 The malevolent coalitions of ETs who control the Earth and direct the cabal are constantly trying to start conflict and wars and it seems outside action has saved us many times , in response to prayer the higher realms are able to take action ...How much is completely dependent on how many humans call for their help ... Most humans don't believe in Creator or the Divine Realm , that's the big problem... This help is done behind the scenes ... the good guys could not land on the White House lawn , that would lead to conflict ...

 

Important to realize humans are divine beings ,  not warlike or dangerous ... the ET's and evil spirits they work with are in a constant battle to turn humans to the dark side .. mind control /influence is constantly aimed at us all , both psychic from dark spirits , electronic 3/4/5G ,  conventional media , and the rest  ...

 

So I believe no helpful ET's will turn up at this time , the only solution is Pray to the Divine to heal the dark ones and impulse them to move on ... help will not come in a physical form , but will be mind control if you like , from Creator , aimed at the ET's to get them to lose interest in us ....

 

But all is dependent on us asking for help ... if we don't , in this free will experiment , it's assumed we want to do things on our own ....

 

Much of this information comes from Karl Mollison ... he has greatly upgraded  my understanding. ... getwisdom.com

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by oz93666

[Messenger]

The good ET's cannot intervene in our affairs to the point of saving us otherwise it interferes with free will and then it's basically not us evolving but someone else doing it for us. I wonder how they pick which people to have contact with.

 

I have mentioned Robert Salas before, that must have been an amazing experience, albeit scary.

[Seeker]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-dalai-lama-given-first-coronavirus-vaccine-dose-as-he-urges-others-to-be-brave-and-take-jab-12238512

 

Another example 

[CosmoGenesis]

4 hours ago, Seeker said:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-dalai-lama-given-first-coronavirus-vaccine-dose-as-he-urges-others-to-be-brave-and-take-jab-12238512

 

Another example 

[megatron3]

On 9/10/2020 at 4:38 AM, Seeker said:

I can’t be the only person who has noticed this but almost all spiritual people I’ve met in life are totally asleep to what’s truly going on in the world, NWO agenda, depopulation, elite Satanism, non human entities etc. Even on a spiritual forum I sometimes read out of curiosity they are all fast asleep. Is this what the new age movement is about? ‘Raising your vibe’ ‘not looking at negative things’ etc meaning that it results in ignorance to what’s going on... has anyone else experienced this or got any explanations? 

lol yeh , an amethyst is not gonna help you if you dont have what it takes, just another trap set for us to keep us distracted

[Kali]

Modern ‘spiritual’ practices are as fake and evil as any religion they are substituting...they are meant to keep people in a state of dull stupor.

 

This will last until the vax shots/ microchips are in place and then people will be kept ‘happy’ (as Klaus Schwab said) using technology and direct mind control.

 

Then the age of spiritual gurus will die away to be replaced by technology. It has served its purpose for the techno-industrial capitalism era where people had to be made both the workers/ producers of goods and services, as well as mass consumers thereof. 

And if material consumption is to be encouraged then the old teachings of religions that had been put in place to keep them under control would not have worked. The discipline and simple life/ poverty that was espoused as holy and godly until then had to  be put aside to embrace materialism. The plebs had to be made consumers now---still slaves  but slaves with credit cards...

 

So this new spirituality scam was peddled and heavily promoted by the media.

Now people could work soulless meaningless jobs during the day and justify the emptiness in their lives with a few hours of listening to or practising spiritual mumbo jumbo. This helped them justify their pointless existence because something very very deep down was telling them that it does not seem very fulfilling or even right.

Just another control mechanism for the cabal...nothing to see here..

Edited March 7, 2021 by Kali

[Lamp Of Truth]

On 9/10/2020 at 7:02 AM, BlueSky said:

Yes, so much is about avoidance and staying passive. On the surface it's all "love and light", then if you push or question, there is defence, ignore and even anger at the mere idea of leaving sunshine and lollypop land. 

 

The key is to find a balance between keeping your inner light alive, detaching from your ego and being aware of what's happening in the world and being streetwise about it.

 

[CosmoGenesis]

1 hour ago, Kali said:

Modern ‘spiritual’ practices are as fake and evil as any religion they are substituting...they are meant to keep people in a state of dull stupor.

 

This will last until the vax shots/ microchips are in place and then people will be kept ‘happy’ (as Klaus Schwab said) using technology and direct mind control.

 

Then the age of spiritual gurus will die away to be replaced by technology. It has served its purpose for the techno-industrial capitalism era where people had to be made both the workers/ producers of goods and services, as well as mass consumers thereof. 

And if material consumption is to be encouraged then the old teachings of religions that had been put in place to keep them under control would not have worked. The discipline and simple life/ poverty that was espoused as holy and godly until then had to  be put aside to embrace materialism. The plebs had to be made consumers now---still slaves  but slaves with credit cards...

 

So this new spirituality scam was peddled and heavily promoted by the media.

Now people could work soulless meaningless jobs during the day and justify the emptiness in their lives with a few hours of listening to or practising spiritual mumbo jumbo. This helped them justify their pointless existence because something very very deep down was telling them that it does not seem very fulfilling or even right.

Just another control mechanism for the cabal...nothing to see here..

 

Also the new age have the same 'Saviour' ideology as the rest of the religions.

They literally believe they are all going to ascend and all they have to do is peddle meaningless platitudes and it will just 'happen' (Equivocal to the Christians Rapture)

 

No inner work needed, just trust your guru and say the right things.

[DarianF]

9 minutes ago, CosmoGenesis said:

 

Also the new age have the same 'Saviour' ideology as the rest of the religions.

They literally believe they are all going to ascend and all they have to do is peddle meaningless platitudes and it will just 'happen' (Equivocal to the Christians Rapture)

 

No inner work needed, just trust your guru and say the right things.

 

"In the end, when it’s over, all that matters is what you’ve done."

 

— Alexander the Great

[rideforever]

On 9/10/2020 at 3:38 AM, Seeker said:

has anyone else experienced this or got any explanations

 

Yes it is true ... modern spiritual is 99% total BS just like most of the culture.

 

However real spiritual is ancient and still very much living, although it seems to be unknown to most human beings.

For instance many people think that to be Christian means you go to Church on Sunday, but after a great deal of searching I saw that Christians go to Church many days of the week and pray constantly all day like the Muslims.

I realised that when I was 45 years old after visiting India and studying many other things.

Christianity is unknown in the West, all that is left is a very superifical nonsense about it.

It is actually a very powerful and well designed religion that does indeed make you immortal.