Is UK Government Justified in Seeking to Add Clarity to The Withdrawal Agreement?

[jesuitsdidit]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/09/brexit-trade-no-deal-what-eu-uk-government-plans-explained/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiviLirzNvrAhVSCewKHTI7ChMQyM8BMAF6BAgNEAo&usg=AOvVaw14h001OXc2BGIpckMv5Iz5&ampcf=1

 

I read the above article and could not understand why all the fuss about the Government seeking to add clarity to the EU Withdrawal Agreement. Am I missing something or is this just a "storm in a tea-cup"?

[rideforever]

Yes the vermin at the EU allow with the internal enemies of the UK conspired together to create some nonsense in Northern Ireland as a lever to keep Britain from going it alone.

Now the British Government seems like it's going to clear all that shit up so it is not secretly under EU control.

They also selected an ex Aussie PM to be a trade envoy for the UK.

All told I think that's all excellent and will work out for the UK, becoming more Australian is a valid direction for the UK to take and likely to be successful.

[jesuitsdidit]

Actually I am not sure why UK Government is pursuing an EU Trade Deal so vigorously at this stage. Wouldn't it make more sense to wait 12 months, see how things are going post-EU, then go to the EU for a Trade Deal when we know what we actually want from them. I think it's almost non-sensical to do it now.

You could have a temporary Trade Deal say for 5 years, to allow things to continue much as they do now to reduce disruption while we get a picture of which direction things are likely to move in.

[jesuitsdidit]

I'm sure the EU would want clarity in the Withdrawal Agreement just as we do.

[zArk]

1 hour ago, jesuitsdidit said:

Actually I am not sure why UK Government is pursuing an EU Trade Deal so vigorously at this stage.

 

Boris Johnson on Andrew Marr (before he was PM) said the referendum was leverage to renegotiate EU contracts

they have no intention of 'leaving' or having a sovereign nation ..what the voters voted for

 

its all about getting a better contractual deal and they'll use the US as another negotiating tool

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by zArk

[ShillDaBill]

I know alot of people think nothing of him, but this fits pretty closely with what Joseph Gregory hallet has said recently about the 2020 withdrawal agreement

[jesuitsdidit]

Someone said that in one of the Treaties in the section on "Countries Wishing To Leave" there is a possibility to have semi-membership for up to 20 years. This means you pay half membership fees and lose your voting rights but otherwise continue as before. You state how many years you need to complete the leaving process, up to 20 years, and every year you review with the EU your progress. 

You can extend or reduce the period required depending on your progress.

I am surprised that UK Government have not taken advantage of this possiblity, surely it would make the process much smoother??

[jesuitsdidit]

On 9/9/2020 at 9:17 PM, jesuitsdidit said:

Someone said that in one of the Treaties in the section on "Countries Wishing To Leave" there is a possibility to have semi-membership for up to 20 years. This means you pay half membership fees and lose your voting rights but otherwise continue as before. You state how many years you need to complete the leaving process, up to 20 years, and every year you review with the EU your progress. 

You can extend or reduce the period required depending on your progress.

I am surprised that UK Government have not taken advantage of this possiblity, surely it would make the process much smoother??

 

 

I still cannot understand why the EU wouldn't want to add clarity to the Withdrawal Agreement.

Can someone please explain this to me?

[Bombadil]

Doesn’t matter what the government say or do, Barnier will just stick to his one line about us needing to be clear what we want. Every time Theresa May said clearly what our position was, he always came back saying we needed to be clear. She should of told him to learn English. 

[andy1033]

The uk gov is just messing about.

 

The eu owes the uk nothing, and how does teh uk think they have teh high ground, when they are the ones leaving, and caused all this mess.

 

How does the uk gov think they have the high ground, on these negotiations.

 

The activated clause to leave, so they should be made to abide by that clause. The uk gov should not have a high ground on this, the eu should. The uk brought this about.

[Bombadil]

Not just U.k involved for sure but without us there would be no EU. France needs to remember they only exist because of others and Germany has no right any opinion at all. Just my opinion though.

[jesuitsdidit]

I think the argument about the NI Peace Process being damaged is weak.

How does adding clarity pose a risk. Surely it reduces risk??

[jesuitsdidit]

Regarding the situation in Ireland, I understand that in Northern Ireland the Nationalists (Roman Catholics) were encouraged to have as many children as possible to try and outnumber the Unionist population so that when the time came to vote on Unification the Nationalists would win.

Edited September 11, 2020 by jesuitsdidit

[jesuitsdidit]

12 hours ago, jesuitsdidit said:

 

 

I still cannot understand why the EU wouldn't want to add clarity to the Withdrawal Agreement.

Can someone please explain this to me?

 

Maybe they're upset because Boris spotted something that they wanted to remain hidden?

[ShillDaBill]

On 9/10/2020 at 10:51 PM, andy1033 said:

The uk gov is just messing about.

 

The eu owes the uk nothing, and how does teh uk think they have teh high ground, when they are the ones leaving, and caused all this mess.

 

How does the uk gov think they have the high ground, on these negotiations.

 

The activated clause to leave, so they should be made to abide by that clause. The uk gov should not have a high ground on this, the eu should. The uk brought this about.

 

The uk has paid into the eu the whole time, so I'd say we owe the eu nothing. To fight against a country and it's people who voted for their sovereignty back, meanwhile trying to make confusing legislation with hidden clauses, that is worrying. 

 

The eu is clearly a sinking ship trying grab and hold onto what it can, watch the domino effect follow... most likely italy next.

[jesuitsdidit]

PM Johnson says his amendment is a Safety Net and I think he's correct.

[jesuitsdidit]

 

The EU is a monster that needs to be curbed.

Unfortunately the only way to do this is by leaving and showing we can survive without them.

 

Every country given the opportunity to vote has voted to leave.

Everybody hates the EU.

So far they have succeeded in blocking everyone's attempts to leave.

However, now they are facing their first withdrawal and they fear others will follow.

We have to make a success of Brexit for all the people of Europe.

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by jesuitsdidit

[jesuitsdidit]

15 minutes ago, jesuitsdidit said:

 

The EU is a monster that needs to be curbed.

Unfortunately the only way to do this is by leaving and showing we can survive without them.

 

Every country given the opportunity to vote has voted to leave.

Everybody hates the EU.

So far they have succeeded in blocking everyone's attempts to leave.

However, now they are facing their first withdrawal and they fear others will follow.

We have to make a success of Brexit for all the people of Europe.

 

 

If it means the EU reverts to being a Trade Bloc, as indeed it should be, then we will have done EVERYBODY a great service.

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by jesuitsdidit

[rideforever]

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Edited September 14, 2020 by rideforever

[jesuitsdidit]

 

We can get our meat from Australia and our tomatoes from Morocco and Turkey. So we don't need the EU for anything.

 

[jesuitsdidit]

I will take a dim view of any caving to EU pressure. 

The EU is a monster and a bully and it needs to be brought down to size.

 

[jesuitsdidit]

I don't understand why the EU countries think they have the right to fish in our waters.

Do we have the right to remove the cheese from Dutch or German supermarket shelves?

Do we have the right to go and pick as many Spanish oranges as we choose? Or how about French grapes? Can we just go and help ourselves?

I think not.

So why do they think they have the right to help themselves to our produce?

Maybe the EU attitude is 'we can help ourselves to whatever we choose'?

Maybe the EU is a little bit arrogant?

[jesuitsdidit]

Maybe the EU don't realise we have contributed roughly £450 billion into their coffers over 45 years. As to what we have contributed in terms of Goods, I'm not sure - another £200 billion?

 

That's quite a price for some blue roadsigns and some straightened Bananas.

 

But guess what?

They just want to keep on helping themselves.

I think they need to start getting real and so does the UK Government.

[jesuitsdidit]

I will expect we can enter any EU country and remove any food we choose to the same value if they are given the right to help themselves to our fish.

The EU is a broken Institution and the sooner it falls apart the better.

If the UK Government had any intelligence it would realise we are in a strong position and proceed with that knowledge in mind instead of allowing themselves to be bullied by the EU.

[oz93666]

This is the greatest fiasco in recorded history  .... How the British people put up with this is beyond me....

 

When we joined the EU there were teams of lawyers examining the contract for years before we signed ,  costing the taxpayers millions , and they didn't put in place an agreement for if we wanted to leave ???? 

 

Now over 4 years after the exit vote politicians are still pissing about with this BS ... They all need to be thrown in jail