Mikhail Liebestein Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) Looks like the UK military will be charged with administering the vaccine: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8803795/Health-Secretary-Matt-Hancock-confirms-armed-forces-involved-distributing-Covid-vaccine.html Affix Bayonets Boys!!! Edited October 4, 2020 by Mikhail Liebestein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 According to reports the order in which people will get the vaccine is:- Under the proposed ranking by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, the vaccines will be rolled out in the following order: older adults' resident in a care home and care home workers all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers all those 75 years of age and over all those 70 years of age and over all those 65 years of age and over high-risk adults under 65 years of age with underlying health woes moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age with underlying health woes all those 60 years of age and over all those 55 years of age and over all those 50 years of age and over rest of the population (priority to be determined) This is probably psychological warfare output and it's incrementality implies an uncertainty. Would also be nice to know how many unhealthy elderly people were involved in the testing.so far. Rolling it out in the flu season and alongside flu vaccines would seem to be a recipe for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImaHologram Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Quote Any decision to roll out mass vaccination programmes for unlicensed COVID-19 vaccines, or indeed any pandemic disease treatments, will be taken nationally, not by the individual companies manufacturing or marketing the product. This part is scary. The Government can call on manufacturers to supply large amounts of unlicensed COVID vaccines, that they would roll out nationally, and the makers of the vaccine have a "get out of trouble" free card. If anything goes belly up there's nobody to blame. This reads like a legal document for enrolling humans as guinieypigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImaHologram Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I can put money on it that these vaccines involve synthetic RNA. That's why the Blackpool trial was shrouded in secrecy. I'm not sure if they've published anything since, but when they reported they were starting a new phase of the trial I was shocked I couldn't find the name of the drug, the results of previous trial, or any information for that matter on the drug used in the Blackpool trial. The dead giveaway on this trial was in the media reports that stated "You will not get coronavirus from this drug". That can only mean one thing ... RNA vaccine. There has never been an RNA vaccine approved for human use because of the dangers, risks, and ethical reasons about messing with DNA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 UKColumn discussed implimentation in this in Wednesday's edition. https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-4th-november-2020 Whole broadcast worth watching as ever but ~45 minute mark for this piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 l was sent a PDF with no title by a friend today. l probably missed this on the Mega Thread. l checked if Dr Lisa Forsberg / Dr Isra Black / Dr Thomas Douglas / Dr Jonathan Pugh are all mentioned together anywhere. They are; UK Parliament discussion ; https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/ Compulsory Con19 Vaxxinations are being lined up for sure. Quote; Written evidence from Dr Lisa Forsberg*, Dr Isra Black**, Dr Thomas Douglas*, Dr Jonathan Pugh* (COV0220) Compulsory vaccination for Covid-19 and human rights law Introduction and summary We are academics working in the areas of philosophy and law, with specialisations in, inter alia, moral and political philosophy, biomedical ethics, health law, and human rights law. Our submission pertains to compulsory Covid-19 vaccination: 1) a requirement on individuals to undergo vaccination as a condition of release from pandemic-related restrictions on liberty, including on movement and association. 2) Our evidence is forward-looking. We expect that a Covid-19 vaccine will become available in sufficient quantity to enable population-wide immunisation. 3) At that stage the Government will need to consider the means of delivery, including whether it is necessary to legislate for compulsory vaccination. We consider the human rights law dimensions of compulsory vaccination by reference to the Human Rights Act 1998 and the European Convention on Human Rights. As such, our submission primarily addresses a live issue the second question in the Committee’s call for evidence: What will the impact of specific measures taken by Government to address the Covid-19 pandemic be on human rights in the UK? Our evidence takes the following form: 1. A discussion of the reasons why compulsory vaccination may need to be considered; 2. An overview of relevant legal provisions; 3. An examination of the human rights law compliance of compulsory vaccination. Our analysis under 3 establishes two parity arguments: a. If Covid-19 ‘lockdown’ measures are compatible with human rights law, then it is arguable that compulsory vaccination is too (lockdown parity argument); b. If compulsory medical treatment under mental health law for personal and public protection purposes is compatible with human rights law, then it is arguable that compulsory vaccination is too (mental health parity argument). https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebman Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 What are people’s thoughts on what the vaccine will be used for - to cause illness leading to death to depopulate? - implant a micro chip for control ? - to make us weaker humans ? - to attack the pineal glad to make us more easily controlled - change our dna , which would lead to ... - make us ill slowly over time I.e increasing likelyhood of cancer / other diseases Later in life ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 11:06 PM, John Connor said: The same policy will be for vaccines. To go to school, travel, shop, eat out, see a doctor...anything. And eventually, they will come door to door to test every one and vaccinate. It will be the law. They will just take you away, put you in a camp and vaccinate you anyway, so you will feel there is no other choice. But there is. Expect what is going to happen, and you will be prepared for this mentally and spiritually. This reminds me of a film I watched. https://youtu.be/ku8-F4aR9bM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, Joebman said: What are people’s thoughts on what the vaccine will be used for - to cause illness leading to death to depopulate? - implant a micro chip for control ? - to make us weaker humans ? - to attack the pineal glad to make us more easily controlled - change our dna , which would lead to ... - make us ill slowly over time I.e increasing likelyhood of cancer / other diseases Later in life ? All of the above, plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Does anyone have more information on this one? Quote "The Scottish Ministers may make arrangements for the vaccination or immunisation of persons against any disease." https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/part/1/crossheading/vaccinations-scotland Is there a further definition of what they mean by "make arrangements"? Or is it just completely open to the discretion of Ministers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebman Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, alexa said: All of the above, plus. Plus ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Joebman said: Plus ... Plus this Luciferian vaccine is about to destroy our soul's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebman Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 We need religious groups to stand up . They can have a lot of influence on their followers . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White_Raven Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Coronavirus: Britons should be paid to take COVID-19 vaccine, says Oxford professor https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-britons-should-be-paid-to-take-covid-19-vaccine-says-oxford-professor-12125012 Isn`t smart move as escape from responsibility for side effects after jab? Who wants to be a volunteer first? Edited November 9, 2020 by White_Raven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 On 11/9/2020 at 11:28 PM, White_Raven said: Coronavirus: Britons should be paid to take COVID-19 vaccine, says Oxford professor https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-britons-should-be-paid-to-take-covid-19-vaccine-says-oxford-professor-12125012 Isn`t smart move as escape from responsibility for side effects after jab? Who wants to be a volunteer first? Professor Julian Savulescu. The same guy who wants you to have an immunity passport - as as he calls it, "a passport to freedom" ( https://jme.bmj.com/content/46/10/652 ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 On 11/9/2020 at 11:28 PM, White_Raven said: Coronavirus: Britons should be paid to take COVID-19 vaccine, says Oxford professor https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-britons-should-be-paid-to-take-covid-19-vaccine-says-oxford-professor-12125012 Isn`t smart move as escape from responsibility for side effects after jab? Who wants to be a volunteer first? One of his latest Twitter posts: Quote "Mandatory vaccination, including for COVID-19, can be ethically justified if the threat to public health is grave, the confidence in safety and effectiveness is high, the expected utility of mandatory vaccination is greater than the alternatives, and the penalties or costs for non-compliance are proportionate. I describe an algorithm for justified mandatory vaccination. Penalties or costs could include withholding of benefits, imposition of fines, provision of community service or loss of freedoms. I argue that under conditions of risk or perceived risk of a novel vaccination, a system of payment for risk in vaccination may be superior. I defend a payment model against various objections, including that it constitutes coercion and undermines solidarity. I argue that payment can be in cash or in kind, and opportunity for altruistic vaccinations can be preserved by offering people who have been vaccinated the opportunity to donate any cash payment back to the health service." https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2020/11/09/medethics-2020-106821.abstract?ct= – Professor Julian Savulescu (profile) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentine Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 The term "grave threat to public health" has to be justified. Covid-19 is not rated as high consequence infectious disease. It's not wiping out large numbers of otherwise healthy people. The average age of people dying WITH NOT OF the disease is higher than the average life expectancy for the country The government response to it will be responsible for between 10 and a 100 times more deaths than the disease itself. Stop talking nonsense professors! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 minute ago, serpentine said: The term "grave threat to public health" has to be justified. Covid-19 is not rated as high consequence infectious disease. It's not wiping out large numbers of otherwise healthy people. The average age of people dying WITH NOT OF the disease is higher than the average life expectancy for the country The government response to it will be responsible for between 10 and a 100 times more deaths than the disease itself. Stop talking nonsense professors! These professors are off with the fairies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 15 hours ago, DarianF said: These professors are off with the fairies. Off with the Demons.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magu Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 On 11/6/2020 at 3:07 PM, Basket Case said: l was sent a PDF with no title by a friend today. l probably missed this on the Mega Thread. l checked if Dr Lisa Forsberg / Dr Isra Black / Dr Thomas Douglas / Dr Jonathan Pugh are all mentioned together anywhere. They are; UK Parliament discussion ; https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/ Compulsory Con19 Vaxxinations are being lined up for sure. Quote; Written evidence from Dr Lisa Forsberg*, Dr Isra Black**, Dr Thomas Douglas*, Dr Jonathan Pugh* (COV0220) Compulsory vaccination for Covid-19 and human rights law Introduction and summary We are academics working in the areas of philosophy and law, with specialisations in, inter alia, moral and political philosophy, biomedical ethics, health law, and human rights law. Our submission pertains to compulsory Covid-19 vaccination: 1) a requirement on individuals to undergo vaccination as a condition of release from pandemic-related restrictions on liberty, including on movement and association. 2) Our evidence is forward-looking. We expect that a Covid-19 vaccine will become available in sufficient quantity to enable population-wide immunisation. 3) At that stage the Government will need to consider the means of delivery, including whether it is necessary to legislate for compulsory vaccination. We consider the human rights law dimensions of compulsory vaccination by reference to the Human Rights Act 1998 and the European Convention on Human Rights. As such, our submission primarily addresses a live issue the second question in the Committee’s call for evidence: What will the impact of specific measures taken by Government to address the Covid-19 pandemic be on human rights in the UK? Our evidence takes the following form: 1. A discussion of the reasons why compulsory vaccination may need to be considered; 2. An overview of relevant legal provisions; 3. An examination of the human rights law compliance of compulsory vaccination. Our analysis under 3 establishes two parity arguments: a. If Covid-19 ‘lockdown’ measures are compatible with human rights law, then it is arguable that compulsory vaccination is too (lockdown parity argument); b. If compulsory medical treatment under mental health law for personal and public protection purposes is compatible with human rights law, then it is arguable that compulsory vaccination is too (mental health parity argument). https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/9253/pdf/ Original document that this evidence was taken from https://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2020/08/19/medethics-2020-106435 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magu Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 And the last paragraph Although we cannot defend it in full here, we think that one promising option would be for the government to offer the choice: ‘either have yourself vaccinated, or stay at home’. That would treat external constraint and medical intervention as on a par, while giving individuals greater freedom than in a situation where either external constraints or medical interventions are imposed. I do hope someone somewhere has the Doctors names and addresses so that in the very near future they can be forcibly dragged from their homes and questioned about their collaboration 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 It's not about money...honest The Guardian 11/11/2020 GPs will open at least 1,260 mass vaccination centres across England, 12 hours a day, seven days a week. They will be paid £12.58 each time they or a practice nurse administers one of the two doses every recipient will be expected to have, several weeks apart, of whichever vaccines have been approved by European and British medicines regulators – hoped to include the Pfizer/BioNTech candidate. At least 975 people a week will have one dose at every site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) STILL NOT ABOUT MONEY....HONEST!!!! Pfizer chief sold $5.6m of shares on day Covid vaccine was announced Pfizer said sale of shares by Albert Bourla was automated under plan set up in August Coronavirus – latest updates See all our coronavirus coverage Julia Kollewe Wed 11 Nov 2020 19.57 GMTLast modified on Wed 11 Nov 2020 22.40 GMT Shares 220 Pfizer’s chief executive sold shares in the company worth $5.6m (£4.2m) on the day the drugmaker announced that its Covid-19 vaccine was more than 90% effective in protecting people from transmission of the virus, triggering a surge in the company’s stock. Albert Bourla sold 132,508 shares at $41.94 a share, equivalent to 62% of his shareholding in Pfizer, according to filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). This is close to the $41.99 peak the share price hit on Monday. Pfizer said that the shares were sold via an automated system after they hit a certain price, under a plan set up in August. Pfizer shares opened at $41.94 on Monday morning after the announcement, up 15% from Friday’s close of $36.40, and finished 7.7% higher at $39.20. Since then, they have fallen back to $38.40. Global stock markets reached record highs that day on hopes that the vaccine could help bring an end to a pandemic that has killed more than a million people. Albert Bourla, chief executive of Pfizer, which has come up with the first coronavirus vaccine shown to work. Photograph: Pablo Martínez Monsiváis/AP The company said: “The sale of these shares is part of Dr Bourla’s personal financial planning and a pre-established (10b5-1) plan, which allows, under SEC rules, major shareholders and insiders of exchange-listed corporations to trade a predetermined number of shares at a predetermined time.” The vaccine performed much better than most experts had hoped and does not have serious side-effects, according to the interim analysis by Pfizer and its German development partner, BioNTech. Bourla hailed it as “the greatest medical advance in the last 100 years”. Pfizer is working on turning the vaccine into a powder formula. In its current form, the vaccine has to be stored at -70C, which poses significant distribution challenges, especially for lower-income countries. It is the first coronavirus vaccine that has been shown to work, but a number of others are in development, and final data from global clinical trials is expected from the UK’s AstraZeneca, in partnership with Oxford University, and the US biotech Moderna before the end of the year. Pfizer did not participate in Donald Trump’s Operation Warp Speed drug development programme and used $2bn of its own money to develop the vaccine, which was invented by BioNTech. The vaccine could generate nearly $13bn in global sales next year, according to analysts at Morgan Stanley, which would be split evenly between the two companies. US investor Bill Ackman places new bet against corporate credit Pfizer and BioNTech could make $13bn from coronavirus vaccine 1d Pfizer and BioNTech could make $13bn from coronavirus vaccine Edited November 12, 2020 by kj35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I believe they will 'use ' the limited immunity window lie to mass vaccinate the whole country in a short period of time. E.g. a month. That's what the army deployment is about in Liverpool it's a trial mass test run to see if they can replay to mass vaccinate... then shut borders unless you vaccinate every time you travel in or out. Destroying international travel. I hope I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zArk Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 (edited) heres a link to del bigtrees Highwire podcasts https://podbay.fm/p/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree del -- Vaxxed documentary also i was sent this link ... the Oxford vax has been taken and renamed in a double blind placebo (saline) study over 1 year Phase III Double-blind, Placebo-controlled Study of AZD1222 for the Prevention of COVID-19 in Adults https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746 Actual Study Start Date : August 28, 2020 Estimated Primary Completion Date : December 22, 2020 Estimated Study Completion Date : October 25, 2022 keep an eye on this study as it will be used as the crowning jewel Edited November 25, 2020 by zArk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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