The Keys To Religion

[pi3141]

11 hours ago, Campion said:

If Christianity has been a con, then who's behind it?  And now that the church is declining so fast, how is it still working, hasn't theological correctness been replaced by political correctness? 

 

There's the million dollar question - I don't have names. However, it is my contention that there exists an organization, if you want to call it that, that has existed for thousands of years, that predates Christianity and Judaism and who is largely in control through those religious systems.

 

There is indications of this in the Bible. Its a bit tenuous but - it is the scholarly view that the opening chapter of Genesis is not a divinely inspired writing scribbled down by one man having visions in a cave somewhere - rather it is the polished product of a large school of religious thinkers with access to records and writings stretching back thousands of years before Genesis was written.

 

Look at the chapter about the Genealogy of Jesus given in Mathew - it records 14 generations. Where did the writer get this information? That writer must have had access to records stretching back generations - does that sound like the product of a man, divinely inspired, scribbling frantically in a cave? No, it is written by someone with access to an organization that has kept records.

 

Look at the Flood stories - taken from the Epic of Gilgamesh written 1500 years before. Look at the Sermon on the Mount - originally given in Egypt 3000 years before the on they call Christ gave it on the mount.

 

It is clear, the writers of the Bible and the Torah had access to writings and records thousands of years older than Judaism and Christianity, that this school of 'Priests' created Judaism and Christianity.

 

It is widely accepted that the Bible is taken from 4 sources - Jahwist source, Elohist source, Priestly source, and Deuteronomist source - who were these Priestly source?

 

It is my opinion that it is that 'Priestly' source that has largely modelled, corrupted and edited our scripture to suit their agenda.

 

What is that agenda? - I don't know exactly, but it has given them power and wealth - thats spiritual and political power to mould societies into their vision - and its what we would call a Satanic one.

 

It seems evident that this priestly source came out of Canaanite and Phoenicia although they existed before those times. These are the original Nature worshipping, child sacrificing devil worshippers of old. Their fingerprints infect the Bible and Christianity.

 

This is provable - Jahweh and Astare (easter) are venerated by Christianity and yet are known to be Canaanite Gods (the Christians don't know they venerate Astare during Easter but they do - they also don't know they venerate the Sun as Jesus). Jehovah is known to be a corruption of an Egyptian Trinity. It has been shown that our God may originally have had a wife, worshipped by the early Israelites – Asharah – another Canaanite deity.

 

It is clear with archaeological and scholarly discovery's from the 19th Century onwards - previously hidden to us - buried in sand and laying undiscovered in hidden temples - that we have now bought to light - that Christianity takes much of its mythology from older texts and myths (just as Blavatsky wrote back in late 1800's - before the archaeological discoveries which have proven much of her assertions correct)

 

So it is scholarly accepted that parts of the Bible was written or edited by a 'Priestly' source that predates Judaism by several thousand years. They modelled Judaism and Christianity.

 

'By their fruits ye shall know them.'

 

Lets look at the fruits - wars, inquisitions, witch burnings, denial of scientific discoveries.

 

Lets move on, I would like to draw your attention to schools. It mostly starts there.

 

When I was a lad, I remember other pupils asking me for help, I also remember asking other students for help myself, when this happened and the teacher noticed, we were told off. We were told to do our own work and if we needed help to only as the teacher and of course the teacher would give as much time as practical to each student needing help in the class - until the bell rung. Now if you didn't understand it it was up to you to either go away and learn it of just drop it and accept you didn't know. This of course sets the class up perfectly for exams - the exams order the students in natural ability. The cleverest get the top marks and those trailing behind get lower marks. This gives a nice spread of pupils across the spectrum. The cleverest at the top and the less able at the bottom. This is how the education system likes it and they believe that in this way they sort out or order people for jobs in society. Those scoring well will go into further education and high paying, responsible jobs - because they deserve it and those scoring lower will take the menial, low paying, less responsible jobs, which is where society wants them.

 

We are taught we are in competition with each other and we will succeed or fail by our own merits and that this is the fairest way.

 

But is it the Christian way?

 

What did the one we call Christ teach?

 

Did he teach that we are all individuals in competition with one another and if you see a poor sick person on the side of the road ignore him and go home to look after your own family first?

 

No. He did not.

 

Yet thats what our education..... fosters, encourages, instils, teaches even. In direct opposition to our spiritual teachings.

 

So who invented those schools?

 

 

'St Augustine is widely believed to have started Britain's first school in AD 597 when he founded King's School in Canterbury. He went on to invent two kinds of grammar schools; one to teach Latin to priests, while the others were 'song schools' for cathedral choir boys.'

 

 

So the church first started educational institutions and this is how they modelled their schools, against the teachings of their own saviour?

 

Confused? I am. If you wanted to promote a society of citizens who are compassionate and charitable towards each other then you would teach that in school - however the schools teach we are in competition with each other and we should succeed or fail on our own individual merits.

 

Jesus taught community, compassion and charity. Schools teach individualism and competition.

 

So the religious institutions have set up an educational system which teaches or fosters the opposite to what their scriptures teach and that has produced a society of individualistic and largely uncooperative citizens who believe they are in competition with one another.

 

This is a far cry from the teachings of the Nazarene.

 

It has produced a society of narcissistic, individualistic people that have little compassion for others. Supermarkets throw away perfectly good food under the watchful eye of security guards so the homeless - those wastrel scroungers of society, cannot get a free meal. Right?

 

Is this the teachings of Christ?  No. But it is a symptom of the natural order of things when you pervert true spiritual teachings.

 

Small change, big effect, thousands of years in the making. But here it is.

 

Look around you, there is good in this world but it is largely overridden by institutions that seek to control and dominate - you want charity? Sure employ a Dame or Duchess of something, pay here obscene amounts of money so she can delegate a pittance to those that don't need it. There's your charity. grass roots activism? No, thats to be discouraged, charity's should be highly organized with expensive offices employing expensive directors to help the little people not very much.

 

I read the RSPCA is rife with bullying. Join a charity, do good helping helpless animals? No! turn up for work and be reduced to tears on a daily basis by bullying, narcissistic bosses who don't believe, just because it is a charity, you should enjoy your work? Where the hell do these people come from? How can society go this wrong. The UN? Bunch of sex pests. The church? Bunch of paedophiles and fat hogs who live off the good nature of their believer. What food does the Pope eat every night? Bread and water with perhaps a bit of fruit in keeping with the poorest of his flock?

 

Here's an extract from an article -

 

Martin IV: Martin IV is one of the first in a long and storied line of unbelievably gluttonous popes. Dante placed him in Purgatory, citing his passion for eels from Lake Bolsena cooked in Vernaccia wine. This became the go-to punchline for the pontiff all the way up to the 19th century, when Tommaseo made up a little epitaph for Martin in his commentary on Dante: "the eels are happy because here lies dead he who, as if they were guilty of murder, had had them flayed." He died of indigestion.

 

 

Boniface VIII: This was a pope deluxe, a man who had all his tableware, from salt cellar to soup spoon, made of solid gold. Understandably, he was terrified of being poisoned, and not only employed a full-time food taster but made semi-magical implements for the purpose, shaped like unicorn horns, saplings, or a snake's forked tongue. He also ate with "magic knives" which were supposed to reveal poison on contact.

 

 

Clement VI: He famously said that his ascetic predecessors "did not know how to be pope," and hosted lavish meals where only he was allowed to eat with a knife, to safeguard against violence breaking out. Fun fact: his patronage put the "Pape" in Chateauneuf-du-Pape.

 

 

They've changed a bit in modern years of course.

 

So it is my contention that there exists a Priestly class or school that predates and controls Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and that they have influenced and directed our society towards what we see today.

 

But now the game has changed - they are using political correctness and quasi logical political ideals to formulate society into their vision.

 

We lost the empire after the 2nd world war and the Royal and religious institutions have been in decline ever since, so now they use Capitalist arguments and political ideals to manipulate our society. There is still a large religious base that can be mobilized, many people still under the spell - Macnamara and others on this board being evident of that, and the large hordes who welcomed the new King and mourned the outgoing Queen - still under the spell that somehow the Royal family have better blood than us. Divine right to rule, lineage stretching back to King David and the Pharaohs - don't make me fucking laugh! They are a special seed, sanctioned by the church because in turn they validate the church, and with this seemingly overwhelming history of 'its been like that for thousands of years so it can't be wrong' mentality, it continues.

 

Of course people nowadays don't believe in the divine seed idea but, they are our King and Queen and its history and society and intertwined with democracy, so its all good and special cos not many other countries have Kings and Queens like ours. So its no longer a religious spell, its shifted to a political and historic spell. Macnamara says - Christendom is largely responsible for all the good in our society, so its worth keeping. He ignores the atrocities it has been responsible for and misses the point that they do not teach what the Christ taught. The Christ taught we are all God's children, the church teaches Christ is the ONLY child of God and God has no other children. Who the hell we are then? its doesn't say. The Christ taught call no one on Earth ‘Father’ the church priests want you to call them ‘Father’ So despite their false teachings and the evidence of their philosophy being ruinous on our society people still cling to it for rational reasons. Its a different spell now, as you point out, but it all still works the same way psychologically, people love to belong to tribes, the Christian tribe or the Rationalist tribe or the Humanist tribe.

 

Lets look at the fruits again – Isis and Taliban. They derive their authority from our scripture. Islam believes the Quaran is the last message given to mankind, they do not overrule the ‘Book’ that came before, merely the Quran came to complete the message. So Isis and the Taliban, derive their authority to throw human beings off rooftops, stone women to death and deny women equal rights and education - from scripture.

 

This is a perversion of all that is good.

 

The ‘Satanists’ have won. They won long ago.

 

Who are they? Why are they?

 

I do not know.

 

But they exist.

[shabbirss]

13 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Agreed.

 

Now out of those the institution that has had the longest and greatest influence on our society has been, without doubt, the religious institutions.

 

The Roman Catholic church, until the split, followed by the Church of England.

 

Between Royalty and religion our society had been shaped, largely by those influences, into what our society was 50 years ago.

 

It's been a different plan since the church and Royal family's direct influence.

 

But that's nearly 2000 years of control and manipulation under the Christian spell and the Divine Seed' ideology. Royalty sanctioned the church and the church legitimised Royalty. 

 

It was a con trick. Still works today.

 

 

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, shabbirss said:

 

 

 

Yes, some say it is - The Brotherhood of the Snake.

 

The main Freemason hall in USA is adorned with images of snakes.

 

The snake features prominently in Christianity.

 

Satan was born out of the Old Babylonian dragon myths.

[pi3141]

From The Deadly Deception – Jim Shaw

 

Adorning the neck and breast of the other is an image of a woman, symbolic of fertility and procreation. In the pavement, just in front of the tall bronze doors, are two Egyptian swords with curved, serpentine blades and, between the two swords, brass letters, set into stone, saying, “The Temple of the Supreme Council of the Thirty-Third and Last Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.”

 

Over the tall, bronze doors, cut into the stone, is the statement, “Freemasonry Builds Its Temples in the Hearts of Men and Among Nations.” !

 

High above the entrance, partially concealed by stone columns, is an elaborate image of the Egyptian sun god, backed with radiating sun and flanked by six large, golden snakes.

 

Inside is elegance: polished marble, exotic wood, gold and statuary. There are offices, a library, dining room, kitchen, Council Room, “Temple Room” and a large meeting room. This room is like a luxurious theater, rather elegantly furnished and decorated.

 

The ceiling is dark blue, with lights set into it to give the appearance of stars. These lights can even be made to “twinkle” like stars in the sky. There is a stage, well-equipped, and it is all very nicely done. But the thing that is most noticeable is the way the walls are decorated with serpents.

 

There are all kinds; some very long and large. Many of the Scottish Rite degrees include the representation of serpents and I recognized them among those decorating the walls.

 

 

'Christian' freemasonry and Vatican, both with snake themes.

 

@shabbirss have you seen the outside of St Peter Basilica - it also looks like a snake.

 

Then there's the huge Sun dial in front of it.

 

Sun and Snake worship and the inversion of Bible teachings - what we commonly know as Satanic.

 

The evidence is right in front of our eyes, the conspiracy operates in broad daylight again, right in front of our eyes.

 

But most don't see.

[pi3141]

[screamingeagle]

2 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Old Babylonian dragon myths

any useful links,as i would like to avoid "wikipedia style" ones

[pi3141]

5 minutes ago, screamingeagle said:

any useful links,as i would like to avoid "wikipedia style" ones

 

I've come across it through reading up on the antichrist.

 

The Antichrist Legend - W Bousset 

 

It draws on the Babylonian Dragon myths as a precursor to the Antichrist. He mentions earlier works on the topic.

 

 

Origins and Early Development of the Antichrist Myth - Gregory C Jenks

 

Is a thesis on the Antichrist which touches on the Babylonian dragon legends and summarises the sources and conclusions of earlier scholarly works.

 

In Bousett's work he credits - 

 

Religious Ideas of the Babylonians - G Pinches

 

It is out there as pdf.

 

Hope that helps.

[Campion]

7 hours ago, pi3141 said:

There's the million dollar question - I don't have names. However, it is my contention that there exists an organization, if you want to call it that, that has existed for thousands of years, that predates Christianity and Judaism and who is largely in control through those religious systems.

 

Thanks for your detailed reply - this does chime with my reading too, although how they manage to keep control over such a long time is still a subject of ongoing research. 

 

7 hours ago, pi3141 said:

This is a far cry from the teachings of the Nazarene.

 

The 'real' teachings of Jesus are contaminated and mixed up with much other material from other sources so it's not always possible to disentangle his own words.  Same goes for most of the other ancient religions I guess. In any case I don't consider myself a follower of any particular teacher, I look for truth and wisdom where I can find it. 

 

7 hours ago, pi3141 said:

The Christ taught call no one on Earth ‘Father’ the church priests want you to call them ‘Father’ So despite their false teachings and the evidence of their philosophy being ruinous on our society people still cling to it for rational reasons. Its a different spell now, as you point out, but it all still works the same way psychologically, people love to belong to tribes, the Christian tribe or the Rationalist tribe or the Humanist tribe.

 

Yes, tribal loyalty and community cohesion has a strong attraction and can cause us to suspend our disbelief of the rational problems with supernatural religion. And even to give up our freedoms to unelected authority. But we can still free ourselves one person at a time.  

[pi3141]

9 minutes ago, Campion said:

 

Thanks for your detailed reply - this does chime with my reading too, although how they manage to keep control over such a long time is still a subject of ongoing research. 

 

 

The 'real' teachings of Jesus are contaminated and mixed up with much other material from other sources so it's not always possible to disentangle his own words.  Same goes for most of the other ancient religions I guess. In any case I don't consider myself a follower of any particular teacher, I look for truth and wisdom where I can find it. 

 

 

Yes, tribal loyalty and community cohesion has a strong attraction and can cause us to suspend our disbelief of the rational problems with supernatural religion. And even to give up our freedoms to unelected authority. But we can still free ourselves one person at a time.  

 

That it has been going on for such a period of time on a global scale proves, to my mind, that we're dealing with something higher than men.

 

Yes the teachings of Jesus are mixed up, corrupted and outright lies in some cases. I'm not sure we can accept all the teachings attributed to Jesus as true. For me the Biblical Jesus is a conglomeration of many teachers, distilled into the fictional hero Jesus figure. 

[Mr H]

@pi3141have you ever studied the book of the dead? And if so what your thoughts were and it's origins?

[pi3141]

9 minutes ago, Mr H said:

@pi3141have you ever studied the book of the dead? And if so what your thoughts were and it's origins?

 

Yes, there's a Tibetan and Egyptian version, I had the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I bought it for its magical spells, I've probably mentioned I was interested in performance magic like coin and card magic as well as 'real' magic and the occult.

 

I've played around with Astral Projection, wasn't much good at it, and the Book describes moving through the next world etc so was interesting to me during that phase.

 

Nowadays I think of it as superstitious rambling. Like all texts of that ilk there may be some truth in it, spiritual understanding. But it comes across as another, well fraud really or money making scheme - it was generally sold to wealthy Egyptians at death.

 

My thoughts are simple really, if God really expected us to live and die a certain way, he would have instructed us somehow. But he/she/it didn't. Instead, it just gave us free will and left us to get on with it.

 

Death isn't complicated and the idea you need training and amulets or spells to successfully pass over and journey on is wrong. That's not my understanding anyway. Getting used to being on the other side takes some getting used to, depending how prepared you are, but we will all manage it.

 

For some, waking up on the other side is a nice surprise, for others they don't know what to make of it, but they get used to it in time. And apparently it does take some time getting used to it, the new reality and the new laws of physics, if you will, that comes with it.

[Macnamara]

On 12/29/2022 at 10:38 AM, pi3141 said:

We lost the empire after the 2nd world war and the Royal and religious institutions have been in decline ever since, so now they use Capitalist arguments and political ideals to manipulate our society. There is still a large religious base that can be mobilized, many people still under the spell - Macnamara and others on this board being evident of that, and the large hordes who welcomed the new King and mourned the outgoing Queen - still under the spell that somehow the Royal family have better blood than us.

 

i don't support the royal family so i don't know why you are bringing me into this

 

what we can see when we look at the conspiracy is that the revolutionary group known as the 'illuminati' have removed various royals at various times for example the french revolution and the bolshevik revolution. I believe the path to the scottish throne was also cleared for this cabal through political assassination leading to robert the bruce ascending the throne. The british royal family, who descend from the bruce, are part of that illuminati bloodline and are clearly towing the line of the various globalist agendas such as the green new deal and the woke agenda; however will they also step down to make way for the globalist technocracy? We will see

 

As for christianity, any student of the conspiracy can also see that is under attack also

 

On 12/29/2022 at 10:38 AM, pi3141 said:

Divine right to rule, lineage stretching back to King David and the Pharaohs - don't make me fucking laugh! They are a special seed, sanctioned by the church because in turn they validate the church, and with this seemingly overwhelming history of 'its been like that for thousands of years so it can't be wrong' mentality, it continues.

 

i don't believe they have a right to rule us but they themselves claim lineage and are obsessed with bloodlines

 

On 12/29/2022 at 10:38 AM, pi3141 said:

Macnamara says - Christendom is largely responsible for all the good in our society, so its worth keeping. He ignores the atrocities it has been responsible for and misses the point that they do not teach what the Christ taught. The Christ taught we are all God's children, the church teaches Christ is the ONLY child of God and God has no other children. Who the hell we are then? its doesn't say.

 

0nce again you shamelessly misrepresent my position. What is clear is that there has been a revolutionary current moving underneath christendom that has been gnawing at its roots. We can see this conspiracy coming more and more into the open now with the woke agenda and its attacks on the church and christianity

 

As for the atrocities you can't ascribe them to a geographical area aka 'christendom' but rather to the various factions that have fought over the roman catholic church including the illuminati, and their various agendas. If you want to talk about atrocities though you would have to pan out from christendom and look at what the rest of the world was doing. Islam formed and then exploded outwards spreading by the sword, killing, enslaving and forcing people to convert. Islam's very existence in turn became threatened by the march of the mongels who massacred entire cities of people. Meanwhile in china they used slave labour to construct the largest structure ever created the 'great wall of china' and threw any exhausted workers who died on the job into the infill of the wall. In the americas people were being sacrificed in their thousands whilst conquest formed new empires.

 

So how about a bit of perspective?

Edited December 30, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

On 12/29/2022 at 10:38 AM, pi3141 said:

 

The Christ taught call no one on Earth ‘Father’ the church priests want you to call them ‘Father’ So despite their false teachings and the evidence of their philosophy being ruinous on our society people still cling to it for rational reasons. Its a different spell now, as you point out, but it all still works the same way psychologically, people love to belong to tribes, the Christian tribe or the Rationalist tribe or the Humanist tribe.

 

one of the issues with the collapse of christian morality is that it offered a pathway to a moral life whereas a society that abandons that altogether then runs the risk of falling into left brain scientism where people believe that the universe is a cold, dead, mechanistic machine and in such a worldview there is no conception of an objective right or wrong. In that world view then people begin to believe that what is 'right' is what is good for them as individuals and what is 'wrong' is what is bad for them as individuals

 

The woke agenda that is coming out of the illuminati is teaching 'intersectionality' which is to teach people to think 'as a....' eg as a woman, as a gay, as a jew, as muslim, as a black person, as a trans etc etc and you can see where that then leads which is to say that those people then start perceiving the narrow interests of their narrow identity group as what is moral even if it harms wider society. Those people then start fracturing society into competing groups.

 

This loss of objective morality leads to the moral relativism i describe above and from there it is a short step to social darwinism, eugenics and genocidal behaviours as there is no opportunity for growth in a world where people identify only with surface identity

 

Here's another perspective to consider about religion that is maybe overlooked. Perhaps religion also offers people not only a pathway to a moral life but also a way to train their mind to not fall into left brain imbalance. This then means it could act as a panacea to left brain imbalance. Perhaps the rise of left brain imbalance and the scientism that has led to mass covid jab rollouts correlates directly with the fall of the religious path. Just a thought....

Edited December 30, 2022 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

On 12/28/2022 at 9:33 PM, pi3141 said:

 

Agreed.

 

Now out of those the institution that has had the longest and greatest influence on our society has been, without doubt, the religious institutions.

 

The Roman Catholic church, until the split, followed by the Church of England.

 

Between Royalty and religion our society had been shaped, largely by those influences, into what our society was 50 years ago.

 

It's been a different plan since the church and Royal family's direct influence.

 

But that's nearly 2000 years of control and manipulation under the Christian spell and the Divine Seed' ideology. Royalty sanctioned the church and the church legitimised Royalty. 

 

It was a con trick. Still works today.

 

however different factions have fought over the church. Different royals sought to have their man as the pope

 

Under what you call the 'christian spell' the people of europe became LITERATE. They learned to read to read the bible which in turn has advanced europe and in turn those that europe has influenced elsewhere. To argue that christianity was an abject failure you would have to compare it to other cultures and when you do you see that other cultures were engaged in warfare, slavery, usury and empire building

 

So we have to look holistically here to see what is responsible for what. For example what is the role of psychopathy in human history? Does a belief system that bans usury hold back psychopathy? Did the christian prohibition on usury need to be removed by the illuminati to pave the way for the various modern day shenanigans of the central banksters for example?

[Bombadil]

38 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

The Roman Catholic church, until the split, followed by the Church of England.

I’m no expert so this is just an opinion, I believe the start to be at the very least Sumerian. A lot of new evidence is starting to suggest even pre Sumerian. There is also a new line arguing that the South American religions could be pre ice age as well. With huge similarities in their religious teachings.

If you look at all old religions, eg Baal worship, they all have been plagiarised by their descendants.

[Macnamara]

4 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

I’m no expert so this is just an opinion, I believe the start to be at the very least Sumerian. A lot of new evidence is starting to suggest even pre Sumerian. There is also a new line arguing that the South American religions could be pre ice age as well. With huge similarities in their religious teachings.

If you look at all old religions, eg Baal worship, they all have been plagiarised by their descendants.

 

^ that isn't my line you quoted above

[Bombadil]

25 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

^ that isn't my line you quoted above

You’re right. I highlighted a quote from pi but because it was in a post you made its saying I’m quoting you. I’ll have to remember to quote from the source post on future.

[Macnamara]

6 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

You’re right. I highlighted a quote from pi but because it was in a post you made its saying I’m quoting you. I’ll have to remember to quote from the source post on future.

 

 no worries....but re your point the bible does speak about the flood and about a pre-flood civilisation. We also have the nephilim and the idea of nimrod trying to challenge the authority of God. The freemasons trace their lineage to nimrod. This all also ties into the fallen angels

 

George galloway mocked david ickes fans because he said that we believe the world is run by 'demons' but i feel that religious people are better equipped by having certain language available to them then say an atheistic socialist is who lacks the vocabulary to explore metaphysical things

Edited December 30, 2022 by Macnamara

[Mr H]

6 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Yes, there's a Tibetan and Egyptian version, I had the Egyptian Book of the Dead. I bought it for its magical spells, I've probably mentioned I was interested in performance magic like coin and card magic as well as 'real' magic and the occult.

 

I've played around with Astral Projection, wasn't much good at it, and the Book describes moving through the next world etc so was interesting to me during that phase.

 

Nowadays I think of it as superstitious rambling. Like all texts of that ilk there may be some truth in it, spiritual understanding. But it comes across as another, well fraud really or money making scheme - it was generally sold to wealthy Egyptians at death.

 

My thoughts are simple really, if God really expected us to live and die a certain way, he would have instructed us somehow. But he/she/it didn't. Instead, it just gave us free will and left us to get on with it.

 

Death isn't complicated and the idea you need training and amulets or spells to successfully pass over and journey on is wrong. That's not my understanding anyway. Getting used to being on the other side takes some getting used to, depending how prepared you are, but we will all manage it.

 

For some, waking up on the other side is a nice surprise, for others they don't know what to make of it, but they get used to it in time. And apparently it does take some time getting used to it, the new reality and the new laws of physics, if you will, that comes with it.

That's interesting thank you.

 

The other religion or people I studied before the Toltecs dedicated their entire lives to die consciously. So there is some info out there.

 

But from the little I read of the Egyptian book, it seemed like stories to scare the person to live a decent life, bit like some of the hell stories in the bible.

[pi3141]

@Macnamara As this is a religion thread I'll not derail my own thread. However if I have misrepresented your position you of course have the right to respond and clarify so I in no way object to your posts. But I won't respond - so not ignoring you, just don't want to derail.

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, Bombadil said:

I’m no expert so this is just an opinion, I believe the start to be at the very least Sumerian. A lot of new evidence is starting to suggest even pre Sumerian. There is also a new line arguing that the South American religions could be pre ice age as well. With huge similarities in their religious teachings.

If you look at all old religions, eg Baal worship, they all have been plagiarised by their descendants.

 

Yes you are correct many of the names in Christianity and Judaism can be traced back to a Sumerian root - 

 

From The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross - John Allegro

 

The etymological examination of the chief god-names that is now possible supports this view, pointing to a common theme of life-giving, fecundity. Thus the principal gods of the Greeks and Hebrews, Zeus and Yahweh (Jehovah), have names derived from Sumerian meaning “juice of fecundity”, spermatozoa, “seed of life”.’

Perhaps the best known of the old Canaanite fertility gods, Baal, derives his name from a Sumerian verb AL, “bore”, which, combined with a preformative element BA, gave words for “drill” and “penis” and gave Latin and us our word “phallus”.26 In Semitic, ba?al, Baal, is not only the divine name but has also the general meaning of “lord, husband”

The use of the name Jesus (Greek iesus) as an invocation for healing was appropriate enough. Its Hebrew original, yehöshiia’, Joshua, comes from Sumerian *JA_U_ShIJ_A (ShuSh), “semen, which saves, restores, heals”. Hellenized Jews used for “Joshua” the Greek name IasJn, Jason, very properly, since iasón, “healer”, and the deponent verb iaomai, “heal”, come from the same Sumerian source.

 

 

It goes way back.

 

There exists a religious school who's roots predate Judaism and Christianity by thousands of years and the evidence can be found in the recycled stories of the Bible and other ancient texts and through etymology of the names in those sacred writings.
 

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[pi3141]

I'll summarize - 

 

From the Anchor Bible series - a scholarly effort to faithfully re-translate the original Biblical texts, scripture to English - the view of the scholar translating Genesis is this - 

 

(Regarding the sources of the Bible - D, P, E etc)

 

When we re-examine, for instance, the genealogies of the patriarchs before the flood (cf.v), the style and approach are unmistakenly P's, yet the material has to be derived from ancient data. The same applies to the Edomite lists in ch. xxxvi. Just so - to stray for a moment from the book of Genesis - the census records in Numbers xxvi, although again set down by P, deal with the names and situations (notably the distribution of land holdings by lot) that go back by necessity to the eraly stages of Israelite settlements in Canaan. At the same time, there are other passages throughout the Tetrateuch that are undoubtedly much later. All this testifies to a wide coverage by P, ranging over many centuries. The conclusion that is usually drawn from these facts is that we have before us a series of separate P documents, as many as ten according to some critics. But such solutions fail to account for the prevailing uniformity in outlook and phraseology which typifies P as a whole.

 

The assumption that commends itself in these circumstances is that P was not an individual, or even a group of like minded contemporaries, but a school with an unbroken history reaching back to early Israelite times, and continuing to the Exodus and beyond.

 

 

The Exodus was 1300 BC

But we can go further back.

 

It has been shown that many of the stories in the Bible have been taken from earlier sources. For instance the Flood story is taken from the Epic of Gilgamesh, that epic was written circa 1500 years before Judaism, possibly 2000. Hence the writers of the Bible had access to sources 1500 years or more older than when they wrote the Torah.

 

But we can go further back.

John Allegro shows in The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross that many of the names in the Bible have Sumerian roots, the Sumerian civilization was active 4500 - 1900 BC, so the the etymology of the names in our sacred books show they have roots possibly back to 4500BC

It goes further back, I can't prove it, after Sumeria the data is dodgy - scarce, primitive.

 

But I think this school existed before Sumeria. 

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[BeeThrive]

On 12/29/2022 at 2:45 PM, pi3141 said:

Aside from the obvious snake imagery, that shape also looks like a ‘key’ - key to unlock a lock type key.

 

It is crowned too, with the dome shape.

 

I’d have to hunt for specific references, but ‘key’ symbolism and wording relating to spiritual reality are dotted through spiritual texts. 
 

My personal interpretation has been that these ‘keys’ referenced are used to open up ourselves, into our spiritual wisdom within.
Our own ego-prison of ego-identity being a major aspect of self to unlock what is within.

 

Much like you describe with mirror staring, unlocking whats ego known, into the (relative to ego) unknown.

 

Religions tried to point the way inwards, but over time they really diluted the quintessential aspects and teachings, purposefully i believe, as the discovery of spiritual freedom is the biggest threat to those that wish to control the masses.

[pi3141]

3 hours ago, BeeThrive said:

Religions tried to point the way inwards, but over time they really diluted the quintessential aspects and teachings, purposefully i believe, as the discovery of spiritual freedom is the biggest threat to those that wish to control the masses.

 

Freaking bingo mate.

 

Yes the crossed keys is prevalent in symbolism. Supposed St Peters keys but I'm sure has many other levels to it.

[Campion]

5 hours ago, BeeThrive said:

Aside from the obvious snake imagery, that shape also looks like a ‘key’ - key to unlock a lock type key.

 

There's an episode of Ancient Aliens all about keyhole shapes and ankhs, it's a while since I saw it but I think St Peter's Square features in it. The keyhole shape appears in much more ancient structures too.