The Keys To Religion

[Gnostic Christian]

On 12/23/2022 at 7:37 PM, ivanka said:

but infinite love and infinite consciousness is God

False statement and logical fallacy.

 

On love.

Jesus said he would recognize those who loved him by their works and deeds.

 

IOW, all love is shown by works and deeds.

 

Where is the love in God creating these abominations?

 

 

God is good, but your God is evil.

 

Please reject the Christian God and find one that is not genocidal, homophobic or misogynous.

 

Look into Gnostic Christianity if you want to raise your moral bar.

 

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

3 minutes ago, sock muppet said:

 

That last bit is a bit too defeatist for my liking, so here is my version.

 

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me, so i kicked them in the bolloxs, stamped on their knees and laughed hard in their face, because lets face it, when reason flies out the window and everyone just turned half past stupid, why not, you already know what comes next, any questions?

Inquisitions and jihads.

 

Did you note the ongoing lower level inquisitions and jihads that target LGBTQ+ as well as inferior souled women?

 

Live and let live, means one does not care about the LGBTQ+, or equality of women, in their own families.

 

When a religion tells a parent to discriminate against their own children, without a just cause, it is quite the religion.

 

Regards

DL

[sock muppet]

1 minute ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Inquisitions and jihads.

 

Did you note the ongoing lower level inquisitions and jihads that target LGBTQ+ as well as inferior souled women?

 

Live and let live, means one does not care about the LGBTQ+, or equality of women, in their own families.

 

When a religion tells a parent to discriminate against their own children, without a just cause, it is quite the religion.

 

Regards

DL

 

Is this a question or just stupidity on show, what has religion got to do with being attacked by insanity, sincerity? yeah the mad axe man sincerely wants to remove your head from your shoulders, might want to learn the difference and take action to protect the good, and if it's just you left then you go down fighting, not bawling your eyes out at the nutter standing in front of you holding an axe!

 

Regards

Bolloxs

[Gnostic Christian]

16 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Well I agree to a point, most of these religions are garbage.

 

But I have real experience of the 'supernatural' - so I know it exists as part of our reality. 

 

As does God, but not the ones in those fictional books.

 

That song was tongue in cheek buddy.

 

Tell us more though.

 

I have claimed apotheosis and telepathy but do not see it as supernatural. Even with those, I think only two in the world who hears the story believes it. 

 

That is expected though. At first blush, I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see.

 

Please, tell me your story.

 

Regards

DL

 

 

[Gnostic Christian]

1 minute ago, sock muppet said:

stupidity

Regards

DL

[sock muppet]

Just now, Gnostic Christian said:

Regards

DL

Stupidity

[pi3141]

2 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

 

That song was tongue in cheek buddy.

 

Tell us more though.

 

I have claimed apotheosis and telepathy but do not see it as supernatural. Even with those, I think only two in the world who hears the story believes it. 

 

That is expected though. At first blush, I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see.

 

Please, tell me your story.

 

Regards

DL

 

Here, I started a thread about it.

 

I looked into doing the Randi $1million psychic challenge, but I soon found out it was a scam the rationalists used to support their position. I'll explain if you want to know more.

 

Here's the thread.

 

Basically, I could move an inanimate object with my mind. I'm afraid it's undeniable to myself.

 

 

 

[Macnamara]

On 4/15/2022 at 10:17 PM, pi3141 said:

Hence it can be seen ALL religious worship stemmed from the same sources. Roman Christianity is no different.

 

well all humans share similar experiences and a collective unconscious. Technology might change but the internal and external journey of the human stays the same

 

The question is: why in the modern age do we feel that we can replace these myths that have sustained our forefathers with modern technology? Will our experience here as humans be richer for that or poorer? I know what i think the answer to that question is

 

On 4/15/2022 at 10:17 PM, pi3141 said:

The ancients understood for a living thing to grow it came from a seed so why no seed with mushrooms. Then when you eat them - wow! Big time spiritual experience. Hence these plants were gifts from the Gods allowing access to higher realms that miraculously appeared after God fertilized the Earth and gave them magical effects.

 

well mushrooms can allow conscious access to that otherworld which is the wellspring of myth so why wouldn't people venerate them?

 

I'm not sure that i see the sinister angle here.....and that's coming from someone who does see many sinister angles to things. One sinister angle is the danger with institutions in that psychopaths will always gravitate towards positions of power and influence like moths to a flame

[Campion]

5 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

I liked most of your post and thinking above, but this bit of immoral thinking I will chew you out for, as it is a fully evil concept.

  

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

 

Thanks for your reply, tho I don't understand why you're chewing me up on this point. 'Live and let live' is another version of the golden rule, which homophobic and misogynist people and organisations flout. Sure, it's a simplistic soundbite and the real moral work involves lots of messy details so it's the beginning of the discussion not the end. 

[pi3141]

13 hours ago, Macnamara said:

well mushrooms can allow conscious access to that otherworld which is the wellspring of myth so why wouldn't people venerate them?

 

I'm not sure that i see the sinister angle here.....and that's coming from someone who does see many sinister angles to things. One sinister angle is the danger with institutions in that psychopaths will always gravitate towards positions of power and influence like moths to a flame

 

I'm not saying there is anything wrong or sinister with the exploration of nature or the mind, it is our purpose - to experience.

 

The language does not matter, it is just our ability to describe an idea.

 

I'm an engineer, I read electrical theory, like Maxwell theory - and his Demon. But was Maxwell really talking about an actual demon, did Maxwell believe in demon's. I don't know but using that language he conveyed an idea or concept. I believe that theory can be achieved with natural phenomenon. Hence Maxwell's demon could be a natural phenomenon that can be utilised to achieve that goal.

 

It's just language 

 

Now - RE institutions attracting psychopaths - do you accept the Christian Church and religion as an institution?

 

Do you not see the psychopaths attracted to that institution of power?

 

Or do you think Christendom is somehow immune?

[pi3141]

 

Love this track, great message, and this is a great version.

 

They jumbled the words up somewhat imo, it should read - 

 

Relax and float down stream - it is not dying - in other words, there is no death.

 

That you may see the meaning of within - it is knowing

 

That you may see the meaning of life - it is being.

 

Lay down all thoughts surrender to the void - it is shining - can't argue with that.

 

That love is all and love is everyone - God is love and we all carry love within - so we are all God, or carry a part of God within ourselves.

Edited December 27, 2022 by pi3141

[Gnostic Christian]

21 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Here, I started a thread about it.

 

I looked into doing the Randi $1million psychic challenge, but I soon found out it was a scam the rationalists used to support their position. I'll explain if you want to know more.

 

Here's the thread.

 

Basically, I could move an inanimate object with my mind. I'm afraid it's undeniable to myself.

 

 

Like science, whatever we claim has to be reproducible to be believed.

 

I know telepathy is real but I cannot reproduce it.

 

If you find whatever it is that turns us on, so to speak, please share.

 

Regards

DL

[Gnostic Christian]

18 hours ago, Campion said:

 

Thanks for your reply, tho I don't understand why you're chewing me up on this point. 'Live and let live' is another version of the golden rule, which homophobic and misogynist people and organisations flout. Sure, it's a simplistic soundbite and the real moral work involves lots of messy details so it's the beginning of the discussion not the end. 

I do not see your live and let live as the Golden Rule, even as it hints to reciprocity.

 

If you are walking by a guy who is raping someone, will you live and let live?

 

For evil to grow, all we all need do is the nothing you recommend.

 

Regards

DL

 

[Gnostic Christian]

6 hours ago, pi3141 said:

so we are all God, or carry a part of God within ourselves.

Pure Gnostic Christian ideology.

 

Regards

DL

[Campion]

23 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

I do not see your live and let live as the Golden Rule, even as it hints to reciprocity.

 

If you are walking by a guy who is raping someone, will you live and let live?

 

For evil to grow, all we all need do is the nothing you recommend.

 

Crime is a violation of live and let live for the victims. It doesn't say do nothing about it, it says live.  So make life choices to maximise life experience for all. But of course it's just a slogan, not a formula to decide how to act in all circumstances. 

  

You can say the same about other versions of the golden rule: the victim might try to fight back and hit  out to defend themselves, but wouldn't want to be hit themselves. The devil's in the detail I guess. 

[pi3141]

4 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Like science, whatever we claim has to be reproducible to be believed.

 

I know telepathy is real but I cannot reproduce it.

 

If you find whatever it is that turns us on, so to speak, please share.

 

Regards

DL

 

It was reproducible, I was able to do it daily for months - over a year even. Can't remember exactly how long. My friends and family witnessed it. They couldn't explain it, I'm sure they didn't and possibly still don't believe what they saw - I was an amateur magician from childhood, progressing to a close up card magician in my 20's, I attended the Mahatma circle, Magic Circle equivalent in Liverpool, so I guess they always thought it some illusion they couldn't work out. I know fake magic, I do it, I've read books on scams and frauds, I know how they work, I've read psychology so I know quite well the mechanisms by which frauds work, but I also know real 'magic', as I've explained, I've done that to. Oh and I can Lockpick.

 

Like I say, for me it was a lived reality, it was as real as anything else, I cannot deny it to myself, that would be extremely and impossibly dumb.

 

I simply cannot deny what I did. Daily, in front of witnesses, over many months.

Edited December 27, 2022 by pi3141

[pi3141]

3 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Pure Gnostic Christian ideology.

 

Regards

DL

 

I know.

 

Therein lies our affinity.

 

 

(Edit - Plus you see very well the hypocrisy and barbarity of the Christian ideology and rightly reject the message as fake, as well as being moral, so that puts you a cut above imo)

Edited December 27, 2022 by pi3141

[pi3141]

I don't think I've posted this - 

 

So about belief,

 

however you believed you got here, by process of evolution or from a spiritual source, you are here. The purpose of life, is to live. That is it. You are here to experience living. I sit with the Unitarians and the Quakers and the Spiritualists, I don't call it 'worship' it isn't, thats not what a perfect being would require as payment for creating us. I prefer to call it 'acknowledgement' I go to sit with like minded people to acknowledge the existence of a creator and spiritual realm. If God created life and gave it us as a gift, it does not need repayment in the form of worship and devotion by singing, chanting and praying to my mind. A supreme, perfect, omniscient, omnipresent, eternal and infinite being would not require its creations to adore it on a daily or weekly basis. When I had children, I did not expect them to thank me on a daily basis for having them nor would I see them put into eternal torment fro disobeying me. 

 

And I'm not a God. I'm not perfect.

 

As a spiritualist, we're taught that spirituality is unique and different to everyone. May sound like a cop out, but thats the way it is. There are many spiritual paths, many truths, some seemingly contradictory. But thats the way it is.

 

So what of the rationalists then, the unbelievers?

 

Well in my mind they are fulfilling the purpose of their existence, they are the highest expression of 'Free Will'. They have no need for spiritual matters, they are to busy living life, embracing the day and the experience. Is that perhaps not the highest expression of 'Free Will' as a creator would want its creations to enjoy?

 

Just to be, to exist, to experience and be happy without guilt or hangups that hold them back? Is that not the highest expression of 'Living Life' Fully embracing the experience and choosing to be good through thought alone?

 

Just because they have no need to believe in something greater does not necessarily diminish their love or appreciation of life.

 

And to love life, thats the greatest thanks the creator can receive. Even if we're down and having a horrible time, if you can still see that there is good in the world, life is a wonderful thing which you would enjoy if it wasn't for your circumstance and even if you can only occasionally enjoy a sunset or a starry night and marvel at the thought of travelling thousands of miles an hour through space on a giant rock, even for those brief moments, life is worth it. 

 

If you can still feel that, then life is still good. If as a rationalist or unbeliever you can still marvel at life and the wonder of it all then surely thats spiritual enough?

 

The highest advice given in most religions is this - treat everyone as you wish to be treated. It was the saying of the one we call Christ, the Nazarene, and if you agree on a logical and practical level that it is probably the best way for us all to live with each other - you are a Christian, in some sense.

 

Disclaimer: Christ did not exist and the Christian religion is evil.

 

See I claim the atheists and rationalists as Gods people - and highly advanced ones at that. Fulfilling Gods wish, living Gods gift, without guilt or fear.

Edited December 27, 2022 by pi3141

[pi3141]

5 hours ago, Gnostic Christian said:

If you find whatever it is that turns us on, so to speak, please share.

 

Regards

DL

 

Well for me it started with the 'Breakthrough' experiment. I've posted this before.

 

In a dark room, I used my bathroom, light a candle and turn off the lights, position yourself a few feet from a mirror so you can see your face clearly. But the light shouldn't be bright. You need to be standing comfortably as possible upright.

 

Stare into your eyes, just stare. Clear your mind, try not to feel stupid. After a while, it depends how long, you may need to try a few times, but eventually, the image of you fades away and you just see your eyes, then for an instant, you will feel that you do not recognize those eye's. Its at that point you'll be freaked out and it will end. 

 

However, you will have broken through the veil somewhat. You will have sensed your innerself, you will have made a connection.

 

You see, when we look inward, initially there is a veil. Just like when we look up outside there is a veil, when the Sun goes down, the veil is dropped and we see the majesty, the infinity. If you can pierce the veil inwardly, you can start to see. (and hear)

 

Black mirrors are another way to open up. Just put some ink in water on a plate, put it on the floor, dim your light - preferably take some drugs - and stare into the plate or 'black mirror'. That'll break you through, open you up a little.

 

Other than that its drugs, drugs can open you up - the closest to the realization of God I ever got was on drugs in nature.

 

Timothy Leary was correct with certain drugs open up certain pathways. Its like Juggling - that creates new networks that would not otherwise be created in your brain - its brain training and you can do it. You can train your memory with memory systems, your brain is just a muscle waiting to be used, your body is the greatest instrument you'll ever own - you should make some effort to see what it can do.

Edited December 27, 2022 by pi3141

[Gnostic Christian]

18 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

I know.

 

Therein lies our affinity.

 

 

(Edit - Plus you see very well the hypocrisy and barbarity of the Christian ideology and rightly reject the message as fake, as well as being moral, so that puts you a cut above imo)

Thanks.

 

Now if I could just find the right ears, a moral change for the good could hit the mainstream religions.

 

Regards

DL

 

 

[pi3141]

33 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian said:

Thanks.

 

Now if I could just find the right ears, a moral change for the good could hit the mainstream religions.

 

Regards

DL

 

There's always hope - but I fear they are to brainwashed.

 

It's the sheep, the children, the followers that need to open their ears. The shepherds won't change, they won't listen.

 

They know not what they do.

 

Mass delusion it is, steered by the dark side.

[Macnamara]

On 12/27/2022 at 10:15 AM, pi3141 said:

Now - RE institutions attracting psychopaths - do you accept the Christian Church and religion as an institution?

 

Do you not see the psychopaths attracted to that institution of power?

 

i think that wherever there are concentrations of power there will be higher than usual concentrations of psychopaths:

-banks

-intelligence services

-media

-corporations

-religious institutions

-police

-military

-medicine

[pi3141]

1 hour ago, Macnamara said:

 

i think that wherever there are concentrations of power there will be higher than usual concentrations of psychopaths:

-banks

-intelligence services

-media

-corporations

-religious institutions

-police

-military

-medicine

 

Agreed.

 

Now out of those the institution that has had the longest and greatest influence on our society has been, without doubt, the religious institutions.

 

The Roman Catholic church, until the split, followed by the Church of England.

 

Between Royalty and religion our society had been shaped, largely by those influences, into what our society was 50 years ago.

 

It's been a different plan since the church and Royal family's direct influence.

 

But that's nearly 2000 years of control and manipulation under the Christian spell and the Divine Seed' ideology. Royalty sanctioned the church and the church legitimised Royalty. 

 

It was a con trick. Still works today.

[Campion]

1 hour ago, pi3141 said:

It was a con trick. Still works today.

 

If Christianity has been a con, then who's behind it?  And now that the church is declining so fast, how is it still working, hasn't theological correctness been replaced by political correctness? 

[SkyBlueEyes]

OK.  Here is the deal,  We people like to be entertained in some form or fashion, All like stories, Horror stories, hell and damnation, Fantasy stories, in the begining in a time of giants, Good stories were they all lived happily ever after, Action stories whipping the asses of bad guys. If you considered all religons are based on stories to give you an insight into away to live life and be that person you should be inspired to be. as in christianity, budism, islam, hinduism, etc etc all give you a message of goodness,   satanism, luciferianism, communism, facisim (I include these as is just a cult of ideas, and thus a modern definition of a religon) gives you an excuse to be bad to one and other.  Once upon a time in world were electricity was a word that never existed but was only generated when people got together around the communial camp fire and discussed who slaughtered the biggest wilder beast and were the best fishing spot was located, some one hand a great story and called it God, and asked what caused the world to be. Every one loved this story and it spread form one village to the next. Scrupless people discovered i have no need to hunt when i can Entertain people with this God story and get good eats at every camp fire and soon the story of God was embelished to be immortal and forever who had the power to know it all and grant gifts to those that gave the best feasts for the story tellers... And so on .... Hmmm .. Me thinks i should be A priest.. But the point I make is that Entertainment is the source of Religion, aslong as the message is good people will sit and listen... The 21st century Religion is known as Tel-Lie-Vision were nearly every home has a worship alter were people sit and pray to the imagery it displays to there hypnotised mind, for hours, telling them what to think, what to do, what to wear and above all, what to believe. We do not need to blame Religions for the demise of humanity but those that control the hypnotic programming that keep people unaware of their existance, so spiritual growth we never happen as they are scared from one horror story to the next horror story, not realising that it is just a Story of control, the terrorist will get you,err the policeman will get you, the covid monster will get you, so were the mask or the policeman will get you..

 

 

Entertainment has changed over history and even developed new media theories such as propaganda, marketing, CGI all to focus in on target population to follow the latest narrative, none support God or being Good but self destruction and blamming others for your failings and never will focus on who is realling doing it.. How can any priest, rabi, shamen, guru etc compete with a machine now even watches you whilst you watch it...

Edited December 29, 2022 by SkyBlueEyes