The Keys To Religion

[Mr H]

Interesting because Mr Freke here comments about Mr Icke from 10 mins. Kinda suggestion he is just recounting old bible stories and reformulating to a new audience with added paranoia

 

 

 

 

[Macnamara]

5 hours ago, Mr H said:

Interesting because Mr Freke here comments about Mr Icke from 10 mins. Kinda suggestion he is just recounting old bible stories and reformulating to a new audience with added paranoia

 

do you think that the icke's fear are irrational?

 

for example do you believe that their concerns about the covid jabs are unfounded? or do you believe that we have just seen a sinister plot to inject over 5 billion humans with something intended to cause harm?

[Macnamara]

On 12/18/2023 at 9:08 PM, Macnamara said:

 

that's effectively what crowleys followers use. They are known as 'spermognostics' and they mix sperm with menstrual blood and ingest it. They believe it has power and when they hold their 'gnostic mass' they are passing around sperm which they also use to consecrate their magical items

 

this is founded on the sex-centric view of aleister crowley. Like sigmund freud crowley sought to bring everything back to sex

 

So for crowley the eye of horus was a symbol for the human anus. For crowley the cross of jesus was a symbol for the penis. Now as i have mentioned elsewhere in hinduism they represent duality as shiva and shakti and shiva is a lingum (penis) and shakti is a serpent and crowley basically travelled around the world exploring other religious systems

 

This is purely speculation but i do wonder of crowley left his plymouth brethren upbringing to go to british boarding school where he then learned about freemasonry and felt angrily cheated by his own upbringing and as a result developed an obsession with searching for occult knowledge?

 

His family left him an inherited fortune which he used to travel the world experiencing and exploring different religious systems.

 

I was once told by a freemason that in their lodge they have bibles that give a different version to the ones orthodox christians use. So once again i'm going to speculate that such bibles may have a different version of the garden of eden story where the serpent is a good guy who awakens humanity from the ignorance imposed by a jelous god.

 

In the crowleyite world view the serpent would of course have phallic connotations and the act which takes eve's innocence would be the sexual act. Crowley discovered eastern tantric sex magic and published these findings in his magazine. he then claims that the leader of the order of the eastern templars (OTO) approached him to say that he had just published their central sex magic secret and therefore he should take over their order, which he did.

 

As an individual i have two goals out of all this study and interest. First of all i'm trying to figure out what is going on on this batshit crazy planet. So that role then is the role of the observor. However i am not entirely detached from the process as i have immersed myself in the human experience and become a father and as such i have further interest in wanting to pass onto my children a world in which they can be free and live meaningful and purposeful lives.

 

So in the observor role i analyse christianity in the same way i analyse everything else whilst also being vigilant about knowing that there are satanic and marxist forces that want to DECONSTRUCT christianity in order to destroy it as they see it as a barrier to their march towards total control. As a father though i don't see that push for total control as coming from christians so i don't see them as a threat to my children's future

 

in her book 'the mystical qabalah' dion fortune complains that crowley actually meddles with the schema to advance his own anal fixation (crowley was bisexual). In the role of observor i try and step back from things in the hope of seeing things within the context of the bigger picture. The world of crowley then fits into a wider picture of the counter culture and the age of aquarius push to breakdown the nuclear family which is also a goal of marxism which seeks to replace the parents with the state.

 

I see crowley's degeneracy not as liberating, as some queer folk might do, but rather as part of a wider push orchestrated by the sabbateans to completely breakdown our society on the path to domination over all peoples. Perhaps some patterns of human behaviour were actually evolved by our ancestors because they were found to work best and when we discard them we suddenly find that it has all sorts of unforeseen consequences that suggest hidden dynamics at play that we have initially failed to grasp in our overly simplified righteousness (see for example many one sided and short sighted feminist arguments).

 

Some claim that the hermetic order of the golden dawn which really kickstarted crowley and many others down the occult path was created by the rothschild network. If that is true then we have to ask ourselves who the 'secret chiefs' guiding these occult groups really are?

Edited December 20, 2023 by Macnamara

[Mr H]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

do you think that the icke's fear are irrational?

 

for example do you believe that their concerns about the covid jabs are unfounded? or do you believe that we have just seen a sinister plot to inject over 5 billion humans with something intended to cause harm?

I agree with Mr Freke that David's theories especially about simulation is influenced by gnostism. 

 

I disagree with him that David is paranoid. The forces that the Gnostic spoke about are still with us today and we see it in action with COVID, trans agenda, constant wars, rigged money system etc

[pi3141]

On 12/20/2023 at 9:48 AM, Macnamara said:

I see crowley's degeneracy not as liberating, as some queer folk might do, but rather as part of a wider push orchestrated by the sabbateans to completely breakdown our society on the path to domination over all peoples. 

 

Some claim that the hermetic order of the golden dawn which really kickstarted crowley and many others down the occult path was created by the rothschild network. If that is true...

 

You make some confusing statements. 

 

First you say Crowley was controlled or influenced by Sabateans and then you say it may or may not be true that the whole Occult movement was started by the Rothschilds network - who work for or are the Sabbateans?

 

So, if you don’t have proof the Rothschilds network spawned the Occult movement, what proof do you have the Sabbateans were behind Crowley?

 

And please inform me, are the Rothschilds not the Sabbateans your always going on about? Or they different entities? 

[Macnamara]

4 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

You make some confusing statements. 

 

First you say Crowley was controlled or influenced by Sabateans and then you say it may or may not be true that the whole Occult movement was started by the Rothschilds network - who work for or are the Sabbateans?

 

So, if you don’t have proof the Rothschilds network spawned the Occult movement, what proof do you have the Sabbateans were behind Crowley?

 

And please inform me, are the Rothschilds not the Sabbateans your always going on about? Or they different entities? 

 

the rothschilds are sabbatean frankists. Jacob frank declared himself the reincarnation of sabbatai zevi. The rothschilds were followers of jacob frank.

 

I didn't say the whole of the occult network was created by 'the rothschild network'. I was speaking about a particular surge of occultism in the west that was being pushed through for example the hermetic order of the golden dawn and the theosophical society.

 

Crowley came out of the hermetic order of the golden dawn and he had an interest with breaking taboos and would encourage his followers to do this and what i'm saying is that 'holiness through sin' is a doctrine of the sabbateans.

 

Prior to that occult explosion in the 1800's there were other occult flourishes such as rosicrucianism and of course freemasonry and what i'm saying is that it traces back to the knights templar who were themselves crypto-jews. Templarism pre-dates sabbateanism in the sense that sabbatai declared himself messiah in the 1600's but i don't think his dark strain of occultism started with him.

 

many british aristocracy are templar bloodlines and when they intermarried with new money bankers like the rothschilds it was simply old kabbalistic, magician bloodlines intermarrying with the sabbatean frankist cult.

 

The common thread is kabbalistim which underpins the western magical tradition and the form of kabbalah the sabbateans use is LURIANIC kabbalah which is a supremacist doctrine. Chabad lubavitch are also lurianic kabbalists

 

all this stuff that the truth movement speaks about ritual sacrifice and ritual child abuse and jimmy saville and the royals and all that stuff all comes out of that occult network.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Macnamara

[Campion]

2 hours ago, Macnamara said:

Prior to that occult explosion in the 1800's there were other occult flourishes such as rosicrucianism and of course freemasonry and what i'm saying is that it traces back to the knights templar who were themselves crypto-jews. Templarism pre-dates sabbateanism in the sense that sabbatai declared himself messiah in the 1600's but i don't think his dark strain of occultism started with him.

 

From the reading I've done the 3 founders of the Golden Dawn were all Freemasons and members of a Rosicrucian order called the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia, which has links to earlier Rosicrucian groups. I haven't researched Rosicrucianism very much but it seems to have arisen in the 17th C from the secret society network as a public front which published manifestos and posters; I can even remember newspaper adverts before the internet for AMORC, (the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosæ Crucis) so like the Freemasons it's not a secret society at the lower levels. Possibly the Templars were a similar setup. So one theory is that the true secret societies set up these semi-secret organisations for various purposes: recruitment perhaps, or particular projects which need them to safely break cover. The Templars set up the banking system and started excavating the Temple Mount. The Golden Dawn and its splinter groups made black magic and satanism more publicly acceptance, for example. 

[Macnamara]

18 hours ago, Campion said:

 

From the reading I've done the 3 founders of the Golden Dawn were all Freemasons and members of a Rosicrucian order called the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia, which has links to earlier Rosicrucian groups. I haven't researched Rosicrucianism very much but it seems to have arisen in the 17th C from the secret society network as a public front which published manifestos and posters; I can even remember newspaper adverts before the internet for AMORC, (the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosæ Crucis) so like the Freemasons it's not a secret society at the lower levels. Possibly the Templars were a similar setup. So one theory is that the true secret societies set up these semi-secret organisations for various purposes: recruitment perhaps, or particular projects which need them to safely break cover. The Templars set up the banking system and started excavating the Temple Mount. The Golden Dawn and its splinter groups made black magic and satanism more publicly acceptance, for example. 

 

yes absolutely and you have all these overlaps between these different groups because as you say they often have members who are in multiple different groups

 

figures who helped form the new age religion like annie besant were also fabian socialists and fabianism was funded by the rothschilds. She was also a freemason and had a family member who helped found the quatuor coronati lodge which has an interest in building a new temple on temple mount

 

Another member was made the police commissioner in charge of the jack the ripper murders who of course didn't manage to collar the killer. Prior to that he had led a military career and had taken a detachment of royal engineers to excavate temple mount.

 

Now all of these key figures who suddenly spring up like gurdjieff or blavatsky often claim to have travelled in the middle east and their learned from mysterious groups their occult knowledge

 

There were also occult freemasonic degrees like the palladium or the rite of memphis-mizraim which were coming from the middle east for example from the 1million strong colony of jews that lived in egypt where they helped to build the largest slave market in the world

[Campion]

3 hours ago, Macnamara said:

Now all of these key figures who suddenly spring up like gurdjieff or blavatsky often claim to have travelled in the middle east and their learned from mysterious groups their occult knowledge

 

Agreed, though there's so much to all this I can't hope to know more than a fraction. It did just occur to me that there's a common theme with a lot of these public-facing occultists who claim to get knowledge from mysterious yogis, or channeled from ascended masters and angelic beings. Which would make a good cover story for their links with the actual secret societies who are really in charge. 

[Untun]

Christianity, the love of money is the root of all evil, suggests a better master than money.

[pi3141]

On 12/22/2023 at 11:02 PM, Campion said:

Agreed, though there's so much to all this I can't hope to know more than a fraction. It did just occur to me that there's a common theme with a lot of these public-facing occultists who claim to get knowledge from mysterious yogis, or channeled from ascended masters and angelic beings. Which would make a good cover story for their links with the actual secret societies who are really in charge. 

 

 

...there's a common theme with a lot of these public-facing occultists religious leaders who claim to get knowledge from mysterious yogis GOD, or channeled from ascended masters and angelic beings GOD. Which would make a good cover story for their links with the actual secret societies who are really in charge.

 

[pi3141]

Are Freemasons the modern Gnostics?

 

The Great Architect of the Universe

 

The Great Architect of the Universe (also Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe) is a conception of God discussed by many Christian theologians and apologists. As a designation it is used within Freemasonry to represent the deity neutrally (in whatever form, and by whatever name each member may individually believe in). It is also a Rosicrucian conception of God, as expressed by Max Heindel.

 

Freemasonry 

 

Masonic historians such as William Bissey[1] Gary Leazer (quoting Coil's Masonic Encyclopaedia),[2] and S. Brent Morris,[3] assert that "the Masonic abbreviation G.A.O.T.U., meaning the Great Architect of the Universe, continues a long tradition of using an allegorical name for the Deity." They trace how the name and the abbreviation entered Masonic tradition from the Book of Constitutions written in 1723 by the Reverend James Anderson. They also note that Anderson, a Calvinist minister, probably took the term from Calvin's usage.

 

Christopher Haffner's own explanation of how the Masonic concept of a Great Architect of the Universe, as a placeholder for the Supreme Being of one's choice, is given in Workman Unashamed:

Now imagine me standing in lodge with my head bowed in prayer between Brother Mohammed Bokhary and Brother Arjun Melwani. To neither of them is the Great Architect of the Universe perceived as the Holy Trinity. To Brother Bokhary He has been revealed as Allah; to Brother Melwani He is probably perceived as Vishnu. Since I believe that there is only one God, I am confronted with three possibilities:

 

They are praying to the Devil whilst I am praying to God;

They are praying to nothing, as their Gods do not exist;

They are praying to the same God as I, yet their understanding of His nature is partly incomplete (as indeed is mine — 1 Cor 13:12)

It is without hesitation that I accept the third possibility..

 

— Christopher Haffner, Workman Unashamed: The Testimony of a Christian Freemason, Lewis Masonic, 1989, p.39

The Swedish Rite, which has the prerequisite of professing to Christian Faith, uses the form "The Threefold Great Architect of the Universe".

 

Gnosticism 

 

The concept of the Great Architect of the Universe occurs in Gnosticism. The Demiurge is the Great Architect of the Universe, the God of Old Testament, in opposition to Christ and Sophia, messengers of Gnosis of the True God. For example: Gnostics such as the Nasoræans believe the Pira Rabba is the source, origin, and container of all things, which is filled by the Mânâ Rabbâ, the Great Spirit, from which emanates the First Life. The First Life prays for companionship and progeny, whereupon the Second Life, the Ultra Mkayyema or World-constituting Æon, the Architect of the Universe, comes into being. From this architect come a number of æons, who erect the universe under the foremanship of the Mandâ d'Hayye or gnôsis zoês, the Personified Knowledge of Life.

 

Link - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Architect_of_the_Universe

 

 

The term also appears in Hermeticism and Hinduism. 

 

It seems the phrase traces back to Pagan times.

 

[pi3141]

Bit of self promotion here, I've self  published the information on this thread as a book.

 

The Keys to the Kingdom - John Pearson 

 

 

[shabbirss]

On 12/20/2023 at 11:48 AM, Macnamara said:

 

this is founded on the sex-centric view of aleister crowley. Like sigmund freud crowley sought to bring everything back to sex

 

So for crowley the eye of horus was a symbol for the human anus. For crowley the cross of jesus was a symbol for the penis. Now as i have mentioned elsewhere in hinduism they represent duality as shiva and shakti and shiva is a lingum (penis) and shakti is a serpent and crowley basically travelled around the world exploring other religious systems

 

This is purely speculation but i do wonder of crowley left his plymouth brethren upbringing to go to british boarding school where he then learned about freemasonry and felt angrily cheated by his own upbringing and as a result developed an obsession with searching for occult knowledge?

 

His family left him an inherited fortune which he used to travel the world experiencing and exploring different religious systems.

 

I was once told by a freemason that in their lodge they have bibles that give a different version to the ones orthodox christians use. So once again i'm going to speculate that such bibles may have a different version of the garden of eden story where the serpent is a good guy who awakens humanity from the ignorance imposed by a jelous god.

 

In the crowleyite world view the serpent would of course have phallic connotations and the act which takes eve's innocence would be the sexual act. Crowley discovered eastern tantric sex magic and published these findings in his magazine. he then claims that the leader of the order of the eastern templars (OTO) approached him to say that he had just published their central sex magic secret and therefore he should take over their order, which he did.

 

As an individual i have two goals out of all this study and interest. First of all i'm trying to figure out what is going on on this batshit crazy planet. So that role then is the role of the observor. However i am not entirely detached from the process as i have immersed myself in the human experience and become a father and as such i have further interest in wanting to pass onto my children a world in which they can be free and live meaningful and purposeful lives.

 

So in the observor role i analyse christianity in the same way i analyse everything else whilst also being vigilant about knowing that there are satanic and marxist forces that want to DECONSTRUCT christianity in order to destroy it as they see it as a barrier to their march towards total control. As a father though i don't see that push for total control as coming from christians so i don't see them as a threat to my children's future

 

in her book 'the mystical qabalah' dion fortune complains that crowley actually meddles with the schema to advance his own anal fixation (crowley was bisexual). In the role of observor i try and step back from things in the hope of seeing things within the context of the bigger picture. The world of crowley then fits into a wider picture of the counter culture and the age of aquarius push to breakdown the nuclear family which is also a goal of marxism which seeks to replace the parents with the state.

 

I see crowley's degeneracy not as liberating, as some queer folk might do, but rather as part of a wider push orchestrated by the sabbateans to completely breakdown our society on the path to domination over all peoples. Perhaps some patterns of human behaviour were actually evolved by our ancestors because they were found to work best and when we discard them we suddenly find that it has all sorts of unforeseen consequences that suggest hidden dynamics at play that we have initially failed to grasp in our overly simplified righteousness (see for example many one sided and short sighted feminist arguments).

 

Some claim that the hermetic order of the golden dawn which really kickstarted crowley and many others down the occult path was created by the rothschild network. If that is true then we have to ask ourselves who the 'secret chiefs' guiding these occult groups really are?

 

so much talk about crowley,
often people miss the fact:
he ate his own poo
 

 

[Macnamara]

6 hours ago, shabbirss said:

so much talk about crowley

 

he was very influential but also quite public so he gives a window into that world

[pi3141]

I was at a Spiritualist meeting last night, the Medium was an ordained Reverend.

 

During the talk the Medium stated that there is no Karma and that God doesn't punish.

 

That's an ordained Reverend, psychically gifted, stating there is no Hell.

 

Which is what I have tried to illustrate on this thread.

 

It's good to find others with the same beliefs as me, I know from attending the meetings that this thread is on the right track.

 

I also don't believe in Karma.

 

Another point the Medium revealed, is that when we choose to come here, we select the mother we want, the father is irrelevant, its the mother, and either what they can teach, or its what the child can teach the Mother or if the Mother is special enough to cope with the child.

 

The reason I don't believe in reincarnation is because I know the spiritual world to exist, thus if everyone automatically reincarnated, there would be no spirits 'up there' in the spiritual realm.

 

Sometimes the Mediums connect with babies, children that didn't go full term, they get looked after by family members 'up there'

 

So again, it doesn’t bear out the belief in reincarnation.  (Although I understand some children do get another chance to come here under certain circumstances)

 

 

[Jason57]

Could the Jesus that is meant to come back with a sword be the "Other Jesus" mentioned in the Bible. Corinthians 2 11:4 I believe is what I'm getting at.

[pi3141]

3 hours ago, Jason57 said:

Could the Jesus that is meant to come back with a sword be the "Other Jesus" mentioned in the Bible. Corinthians 2 11:4 I believe is what I'm getting at.

 

I thought you meant Cor 2:2 - 'and him crucified' mentioned by Paul. 

 

But Paul himself might be 'another Jesus' at least that's what the spiritualists believe. 

 

Paul was possibly Apollonius of Tyana, one of the actual persons who became the Jesus saviour of the Bible.

 

Paul mentions Christ Jesus AND him crucified. 

 

So who was him crucified?

 

Simon of Cyrea or someone that looked like Jesus as Islam suggests. 

 

As for the return of Jesus, that was supposed to have happened in the lifetimes of the Apostles. 

 

But of course he didn't come back.

 

The only return we do see, is annually at Easter, when  the Sun, returns from the East to ressurect the world from Winters desolation.

 

I was told Jesus is not coming back, he's to far advanced in his Father's mansion.

 

Do we really need for him to come back, can we not save ourselves?

[Jason57]

6 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

I thought you meant Cor 2:2 - 'and him crucified' mentioned by Paul. 

 

But Paul himself might be 'another Jesus' at least that's what the spiritualists believe. 

 

Paul was possibly Apollonius of Tyana, one of the actual persons who became the Jesus saviour of the Bible.

 

Paul mentions Christ Jesus AND him crucified. 

 

So who was him crucified?

 

Simon of Cyrea or someone that looked like Jesus as Islam suggests. 

 

As for the return of Jesus, that was supposed to have happened in the lifetimes of the Apostles. 

 

But of course he didn't come back.

 

The only return we do see, is annually at Easter, when  the Sun, returns from the East to ressurect the world from Winters desolation.

 

I was told Jesus is not coming back, he's to far advanced in his Father's mansion.

 

Do we really need for him to come back, can we not save ourselves?

Apparently, we can't save ourselves as millions of people still trust the media and government lol.

 

I've also heard it suggested that Paul was a false prophet. The light that he encountered was actually Satan/Lucifer posing as Christ. The Bible does say that Satan transforms into an angel of light. It could make sense as many believers believe Paul to be one of the most important prophets.

 

As for Jesus returning, perhaps he's reffering to each person when they die and shed the physical body, the spirit of God or Christ will come though.

[pi3141]

31 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

As for Jesus returning, perhaps he's reffering to each person when they die and shed the physical body, the spirit of God or Christ will come though.

 

That's a nice thought.

 

As for transforming into an Angel of Light, the Sun transforms from being Satan in the bottomless pit during Winter, into Jesus as the summer Sun.

 

Psalm 68:4

Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,

 

Psalm 68:33

.

King James Bible
To him that rideth upon the heavens of heavens, which were of old; lo, he doth send out his voice, and that a mighty voice.

 

Where does 'Jah' come from?

 

Jah bul on 

 

The pagan God of the Masons. 

 

Bul is actually Baal, and 'on' is a Delphic diety.

 

Later they changed from Jah to Yah, obviously for Yahweh, well Yahweh is the metallurgical god of the child sacrificing Canaanites. 

 

[Mr H]

42 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

 

As for Jesus returning, perhaps he's reffering to each person when they die and shed the physical body, the spirit of God or Christ will come though.

I think the whole Jesus story is a story about humans and their true nature. That is that what we all essentially are, is God, just like Jesus. 

[Talorgan]

42 minutes ago, Jason57 said:

Apparently, we can't save ourselves as millions of people still trust the media and government lol.

 

I've also heard it suggested that Paul was a false prophet. The light that he encountered was actually Satan/Lucifer posing as Christ. The Bible does say that Satan transforms into an angel of light. It could make sense as many believers believe Paul to be one of the most important prophets.

 

As for Jesus returning, perhaps he's reffering to each person when they die and shed the physical body, the spirit of God or Christ will come though.

Ralph Ellis gives a logical explanation that Saul Paul was Josephus who wrote the simple narrative to hide that Jesus was a king challenging Rome in AD 68/69 but was defeated an exiled to Chester in Britain 

[pi3141]

@Macnamara

 

I found this reference that agrees with my assertions that the Church was always in favour of the 'established order'

 

And did those feet in ancient time

 

And did those feet in ancient time" is a poem by William Blake from the preface to his epic Milton: A Poem in Two Books, one of a collection of writings known as the Prophetic Books. 

 

Snip

 

The phrase "dark Satanic Mills", which entered the English language from this poem, is often interpreted as referring to the early Industrial Revolution and its destruction of nature and human relationships.[11] That view has been linked to the fate of the Albion Flour Mills in Southwark, the first major factory in London.

 

Snip

 

Another interpretation is that the phrase refers to the established Church of England, which, in contrast to Blake, preached a doctrine of conformity to the established social order and class system. Stonehenge and other megaliths are featured in Milton, suggesting they may relate to the oppressive power of priestcraft in general. 

 

Link - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_did_those_feet_in_ancient_time

 

 

In other words, the church have always supported the western system of Royalty and Class structures while expecting the poor to donate heavily for their salvation.

 

The church has always propped up the ruling class and the existing, dysfunctional social order going all the way back to when we were just Serfs on land with no rights.

 

The church supported all that.

 

The church supported Mussolini 

 

The church supported Hitler

 

The church corrupted their own Holy books to support their doctrines of eternal punishment and the inferiority of women.

 

The church put fear, in the notion of 'The fear of God' in peoples hearts, and the church divided men and women, effectively decimating the family unit.

 

The church encourages division between the believers and non believers and other religions.

 

I don't know how you can’t see the church as part of the problem we face today.

 

They are still interfering.

 

 

[pi3141]

Notes & Queries: What were William Blake’s dark satanic mills?

 

William Blake was a radical Christian, so his dark satanic mills were not the factories of the industrial revolution but the orthodox churches of the establishment. Is this true?

 

William Blake did see a dark and satanic mill. At one time he lived in "lovely Lambeth" and every time he walked into the City of London he would have passed by the blackened and roofless shell of the Albion Flour Mills that stood for 18 years after being burned down in 1791. The site of the mill was between the present Tate Modern and Blackfriars bridge on the River Thames.

 

The mill, only five years old when it burned down and equipped with the latest steam-powered rotary machinery, could grind wheat night and day, and hence alarmed the owners of wind- and water-powered mills in London and the south-east. Arson was suspected: it was said local millers were seen dancing on Blackfriars bridge in the light of the flames.

 

Also in 1791, and only a mile away, the Rev John Wesley, the founder of Methodism – which was thought to be subversive and would lead the lower orders against their betters – had died. So it could be true that the satanic mills were the orthodox churches.

 

Peter Butt, Romford, Essex

 

Blake's dark satanic mills are indeed the orthodox churches of the establishment. But they were all churches, all forms of worship, all formal education, and anything that attempted to mould the mind into orthodoxy and received opinion. Blake is the radical's radical.

 

Georgina Robinson, Ruardean Woodside, Glos

Edited February 5, 2024 by pi3141

[Macnamara]

6 hours ago, pi3141 said:

@Macnamara

 

I found this reference that agrees with my assertions that the Church was always in favour of the 'established order'

 

And did those feet in ancient time

 

And did those feet in ancient time" is a poem by William Blake from the preface to his epic Milton: A Poem in Two Books, one of a collection of writings known as the Prophetic Books.

 

well milton was controversial because in his epic poetical work 'paradise lost' he portrays lucifer in a sympathetic light

 

some people say blake was a gnostic and of course if that were true then he would be hostile to orthodox christianity