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44 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

This is falling into the trap, to accept a spiritual concept as an absolute is wrong.

 

I agree to a point with Self Defence but we do not need to invoke 'Natural Law' or Spiritual concepts to legitimise our choices.

 

mark would say that natural law is written into the fabric of creation and it doesn't matter how you subjectively feel about it. He uses the example of someone walking off a cliff. Gravity will be in effect whether they like it or not

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24 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

So why were they there in the first place? Because they were forced there by others with their own ideologies that they believe superceded religion to justify the whole thing.

 

i would argue they were there because of the conspiracy

 

james corbett has done some good stuff on the origins of both world wars

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31 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

Indulgences.

 

The Catholic Church would sell you a price oglf Holy paper that guaranteed the forgiveness of Sin before you committed it. 

 

Do you think God would approve of that transaction? I mean the God they serve and are in communication with?

 

Why don't we have indulgences now if they are a valid spiritual concept and let's not forget the church is infallible, if they give you a ticket to heaven your made.

 

No it's because Man took a spiritual concept and distorted it and monetized it and eold it to the gullible in Jesus' name.

 

well that was one of the things that led to the reformation wasn't it? but my point about the catholic church was that it was a vessel that was fought over by different factions who may have applied their own rules

 

i once went to a sacred lake in india and this man in robes collared me and lead me to the waters edge and told me he'd like to say a prayer for me, which he then did before marking a tika on my forehead and tying a string bracelet around my wrist. Then he looked into my eyes and said with great sincerity ''that will be 50 dollars please''

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48 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

 

I once went to a sacred lake in india and this man in robes collared me and lead me to the waters edge and told me he'd like to say a prayer for me, which he then did before marking a tika on my forehead and tying a string bracelet around my wrist. Then he looked into my eyes and said with great sincerity ''that will be 50 dollars please''

 

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Brilliant. 

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Just heard about 'The Blue Whale Game'

 

Blue Whale Challenge.

 

Blue Whale" (Russian: Синий кит, romanized: Siniy kit), also known as the "Blue Whale Challenge", is a social network phenomenon dating from 2016 that is claimed to exist in several countries. It is a "game" reportedly consisting of a series of tasks assigned to players by administrators over a 50-day period, initially innocuous before introducing elements of self-harm and the final challenge requiring the player to kill themselves.[1][2]

 

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November 2015, a Russian teenager posted a selfie with the caption "nya bye" before dying by suicide; her death was then discussed in internet forums and groups, becoming mixed with scare stories and folklore. Further suicides were added to the group stories.[10] Soon after, Russian journalist Galina Mursaliyeva first wrote about these "death groups" in an article published in the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta in April 2016.[11] The article described the "F57" groups on Russian social media site VK, which she claimed had incited 130 teenagers to kill themselves.[12]

 

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2016, Philipp Budeikin, a 21-year-old former psychology student who was expelled from his university, claimed that he invented the game in 2013. According to Budeikin, its purpose is to "clean society of biological wastes", as he intended to "clean" society from individuals who were deemed as having no value and considered as burdens.[21][22][23] Although originally claiming innocence and stating he was "just having fun", Budeikin was arrested and held in Kresty Prison, Saint Petersburg, and in May 2016 pled guilty to "inciting at least 16 teenage girls to commit suicide".[22] He was later convicted on two counts of inciting suicide of a minor.[24]

 

Link - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Whale_Challenge

 

 

So it starts with an emotional incident, a Myth grows up around it, it's sensationalised and becomes Cult like.

 

Then people jump on the bandwagon and say they are morally right because they're cleaning up society of undesirables, teenagers jump on the wagon and today it's reported an adult was stabbed to death in an argument over the game.

 

Why?

 

Because people get sucked In and have weird world views which they pursue without realising the significance because the Cognitive Dissonance that the brief has created brainwashed them into etremitism.

 

Religion and Political ideologies do the same.

 

Look at that lecturer caught on CCTV taking down protest signs in shops against clean air zones because she ideologically agrees its them and the little people who do not share ger ideology can't be trusted and shouldn't be allowed to make their own choice.

 

Her intellectual capacity and morally just ideology allows her to be deceitful because it for the common good. This is a 'normal working academic yet she felt empowered to do no doubt for the good of humanity or the children.

 

The Brainwashing in our society and self delusion enabled by Cognitive Dissonance is astounding.

 

It can lead to all sorts of incredible acts like dying for a Social Media game.

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Shocking moment ruthless teenage son of Putin's Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov brutally beats Ukrainian being held on suspicion of burning the Koran

 

Adam Kadyrov, 15, was caught on tape pulverising Nikita Zhuravel, 19, a native Ukrainian, who was held in a detention cell for allegedly burning a copy of Islam's holy book.

 

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Father-of-14 Kadyrov said on his social media channels: 'There are still arguments online about the fact that [my son] Adam Kadyrov beat up the Holy Koran burner Nikita Zhuravel, an accomplice of the Ukrainian security services.

'Did it happen or not? He beat him and did the right thing. 

 

Moreover, I believe that anyone who infringes on any Holy Scripture, including those who demonstratively burn it and offend tens of millions of citizens of our large country, should be severely punished.

'Our country has a unique law protecting the Holy Scriptures, signed by the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin.

 

'Religious values of the citizens of the country are protected by the state at the highest level. And provocateurs cannot take that away.

'Without exaggeration, yes, I am proud of Adam's action.

 

Link - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12559079/amp/Shocking-moment-ruthless-teenage-son-Putins-Chechen-warlord-Ramzan-Kadyrov-brutally-beats-Ukrainian-held-suspicion-burning-Koran.html

 

 

 

So you see, if you have laws protecting religious rights and some one is suspected of infringing those laws, then it absolutely fine to send a teenager into a facility to beat a defenseless soldier on nothing more than a suspicion.

 

Because its morally right.

 

Well at least if your Right Wing it's morally right to them.

 

Highly freaking questionable to any other normal member of the Human race who doesn't hold extremist ideals.

 

Bit this guy advocates honour killing of Women and Gays and uses Religion to justify it.

 

He allows illegal beatings of defenseless prisoners if he personally judges them to be deserving, and thinks its OK to send a 15 year old boy into a facility to do it.

 

That's Right Wing Islam for you.

 

The religion of peace and tolerance.

 

That's Right Wing morals for you - Might is Right.

 

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The Kremlin’s Favorite Muslim, Kadyrov, Goes Too Far

 

MOSCOW — Earlier this month, the leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, informed his more than one million followers on social networks that he had become “the happiest man in this land.” Something had come to pass that he never could have dreamed of, he said. He had had a transfusion, he said, from a descendant of the Prophet Mohammed, so now he has the Prophet’s blood flowing through his veins.

 

 

He's a Super Muslim now. He's special because the Blood transfers magical powers onto him.

 

The jokes on him though, the body will renew the Blood and in time he'll just be a 'normal' Muslim again.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

mark would say that natural law is written into the fabric of creation and it doesn't matter how you subjectively feel about it.

 

Paganism.

 

I don't want to retrograde back to being an animal, I want to progress my spiritual development.

 

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Paganism as viewed by NHS

 

Pagans understand deity to be manifest within nature and recognise divinity as taking many forms, finding expression in goddesses as well as gods. Goddess worship is central in paganism. Pagans believe that nature is sacred and that the natural cycles of birth, growth and death observed in the world around us.

 

Blood transfusions, transplants and organ donation


Most pagans would have no objection to blood transfusions and may receive transplants or donate

 

Link - https://www.waht.nhs.uk/en-GB/Our-Services1/Non-Clinical-Services1/Chapel/Faith-and-Culture/Paganism/

 

 

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The Blood Covenant: A Primitive Rite and Its Bearings on Bible Scripture - Early Christian Blood Rituals, and Their Symbolism with Jesus Christ

 

The early history of Christianity was marked by blood covenants – rituals involving the blood of believers or animals, which was used to bond worshippers and to symbolize the life of Jesus.

 

Use of blood in religious rites and ceremonies has a long history, with examples present in the Middle East and Africa, and even in parts of Europe. While many of these practices pertained to ancient pagan beliefs – for instance between believers in the Norse God Odin – some instances of the blood covenant are Jewish in origin. Early Christian groups, in particular the Gnostics who worshipped Christ in a clandestine manner in Rome, are considered to have partaken in blood covenants to a limited extent.

 

The notion of a blood covenant between two believers was as a bond between them; the strength of this bond was increased further by the symbolic presence of blood in the life of Jesus. However, knowledge of the practice reached the enemies of Jews and early Christians, who exaggerated the ceremonial use of blood as justification for religious persecutions.

 

 

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From the book - 

 

. AN ANCIENT SEMITIC RITE.
One of these primitive rites, which is deserving of more attention than it has yet received, as throwing light on many important phases of Bible teaching, is the rite of blood-covenanting: a form of mutual covenanting, by which two persons enter into the closest, the most enduring, and the most sacred of compacts, as friends and brothers, or as more than brothers, through the inter-commingling of their blood, by means of its mutual tasting, or of its inter-transfusion. [5]This rite is still observed in the unchanging East; and there are historic traces of it, from time immemorial, in every quarter of the globe; yet it has been strangely overlooked by biblical critics and biblical commentators generally, in these later centuries.

In bringing this rite of the covenant of blood into new prominence, it may be well for me to tell of it as it was described to me by an intelligent native Syrian, who saw it consummated in a village at the base of the mountains of Lebanon; and then to add evidences of its wide-spread existence in the East and elsewhere, in earlier and in later times.

 

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The compact thus made, is called, M’âhadat ed-Dam (معاهدة الدم), the “Covenant of Blood.” The two persons thus conjoined, are, Akhwat el-M’âhadah (اخوة المعاهدة), “Brothers of the Covenant.” The rite itself is recognized, in Syria, as one of the very old customs of the land, as ’âdah qadeemeh (عادة قديمة)

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Take a long look at this map.  When someone says, it's the Khazars, the Jesuits, the Freemasons, etc, the answer is all of the above.  Beginning with the Fall of Atlantis, we have the Cult of Baal, the ancient death  cult that has ruled the world for thousands of years.

 

 

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Gnosticism teaches this realm was created by an evil Demiurge and that we are trapped from the true Godhead. Our reality is an evil prison from which we must escape.

Once again I find this an extremist ideology that causes fear and hatred or dislike of the world and life in general.

 

Life is God's gift, we are its children, to hate this life or as Mac bought up earlier to adopt an extreme ideology like the Jaine's is actually the opposite to what God wants us to do with this gift of life.

 

This is another extremist ideology that teaches we and the world are inherently evil - this again is a distortion or perversion of truth that leads people away from God.

If we take this ideology to the extreme - what do we do, have babies and leave them to die so they don't commit evil or partake of the evil world? We all refuse to have children and die off and kill off all of God's creation?

 

This is ludicrous.

 

We are magical, miraculous beings and this life is a gift we are meant to experience.

 

I have yet to fully study Gnosticism but this is my view of it now.

 

They have some interesting concepts and will investigate spiritual questions far greater than the average Christian but as I presently understand it I cannot go along with the ideology.

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6 hours ago, pi3141 said:

So you see, if you have laws protecting religious rights and some one is suspected of infringing those laws, then it absolutely fine to send a teenager into a facility to beat a defenseless soldier on nothing more than a suspicion.

  

The thing is, "religions of the book" are so attached to their scriptures that anything which can undermine them threatens the whole religion. If people are allowed to get away with not taking the scriptures seriously, making comedy or cartoons, damaging them, or intellectually questioning their truth as God's word, it means that the religion loses its authority.  You see, these may appear strong by having their truths written down for all time, but this is a very fragile strength. If you weaken the Koran's authority what is left of Islam? Same with Judaism and Christianity. 

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3 hours ago, Campion said:

  

The thing is, "religions of the book" are so attached to their scriptures that anything which can undermine them threatens the whole religion. If people are allowed to get away with not taking the scriptures seriously, making comedy or cartoons, damaging them, or intellectually questioning their truth as God's word, it means that the religion loses its authority. 

 

Yes, agreed.

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11 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

Paganism.

 

I don't want to retrograde back to being an animal, I want to progress my spiritual development.

 

 

how would mark term it? I suppose he would call it hermeticism and light occultism

 

his views underpin his anarchism in that he believes that there can be no rulers as individuals should take personal responsibility for their own actions which in turn should be based on natural law. he says that is what freemasonry should really be about when not corrupted by dark occultists and that the true lost word of freemasonry isn't 'equilibrium' but rather 'no' because gaining equilibrium as a person so that ones thoughts, words and actions are in alignment and aligned with true Care will lead a person to say 'NO' to wrong action

 

he speaks about defining our rights through the apophatic approach of realising what we can do by establishing what we can't do which is essentially that we cannot harm others.

 

If we are told to harm others by someone then the correct response is to say 'no' and to refuse to do it regardless of how many people or how many institutions tell us otherwise

 

I'm not sure that i always agree with mark on everything but i have a lot of sympathy with his views. A lot of what he says makes sense to me

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19 hours ago, Macnamara said:

If we are told to harm others by someone then the correct response is to say 'no' and to refuse to do it regardless of how many people or how many institutions tell us otherwise

 

This is the view of Christ teachings as interpreted by Tolstoy and the Quakers.

 

As a spiritual truth I am in agreement with it.

 

As for those poor bustards who were forcibly sent to Vietnam and chose to conscientiously object by not firing directly at the enemy, I totally understand their 'choice' if you can call it that.

 

What happened to the ones that did say no and see it through, did they end up in a Hellish prison where they suffered abuse and possibly rape?

 

I probably would have gone to the battlefield too. 

 

Given that choice.

 

But then when you got there and saw the reality......

 

 

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On 9/26/2023 at 9:31 AM, pi3141 said:

Gnosticism teaches this realm was created by an evil Demiurge and that we are trapped from the true Godhead. Our reality is an evil prison from which we must escape.

Once again I find this an extremist ideology that causes fear and hatred or dislike of the world and life in general.

 

Life is God's gift, we are its children, to hate this life or as Mac bought up earlier to adopt an extreme ideology like the Jaine's is actually the opposite to what God wants us to do with this gift of life.

 

This is another extremist ideology that teaches we and the world are inherently evil - this again is a distortion or perversion of truth that leads people away from God.

If we take this ideology to the extreme - what do we do, have babies and leave them to die so they don't commit evil or partake of the evil world? We all refuse to have children and die off and kill off all of God's creation?

 

This is ludicrous.

 

We are magical, miraculous beings and this life is a gift we are meant to experience.

 

I have yet to fully study Gnosticism but this is my view of it now.

 

They have some interesting concepts and will investigate spiritual questions far greater than the average Christian but as I presently understand it I cannot go along with the ideology.

I would be personally interested in, how the Gnostics came to the conclusion that this world is evil and we need to escape.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Mr H said:

I would be personally interested in, how the Gnostics came to the conclusion that this world is evil and we need to escape.

 

probably from kabbalah. if everything is emanating down through the four worlds down to this world 'malkuth' then this realm is where it all crystalises into matter

 

therefore if you want to return to the source then you have to climb back up the tree.

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