pi3141 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I find religions fascinating, the books we have are some of the oldest written records. They offer an insight into early psychology and most importantly of all they are said to contain wisdom from God. I originally thought to call this thread Christianity but I mention other religions and I suspect the same of all religions so lets have a discussion about religions. This is a simple OP hopefully touching on the reasons why I reject organized religion. I am no expert but there are some knowledgeable people on this site so hopefully it can generate interesting discussion. Christianity is based on a book whose stories contain symbology, allegory and gematria and likely other codes. It is said to contain '7 seals' An example of allegory is the saying 'A rich man can enter heaven as easily as you can thread a camel through the eye of a needle' To most of us this means its impossible for a rich man to enter heaven or some say it refers to a narrow opening. But apparently that may not be true. One interpretation of that saying is this - Jerusalem was a walled city and there were gates to enter and leave one gate was called The Needle. At night (Symbolic of death) the gates to the city would be closed. However you could still enter the city by the way of a small gate within the bigger gate, this small gate is called the 'Eye' Hence 'The Eye of the Needle' So for a rich man to enter the city at night, first he would have to wait in line, then he would have to unload his camel of his possessions. Finally, he can walk the camel through the needle on its knee's (camels can walk on their knees) So the lesson is a rich man can enter heaven if he is patient, unloads himself of worldy possessions and enters humbly (on his knee's) This is one example of allegory I know where the Bible story is interpreted differently to that which appears to be presented. I've read the Torah starts with the letter T and every 50th letter it spells out TORAH, heavily indicating it is a concisely structured book which lends itself to the notion the book is written in code. I've read that when a chapter begins with 'O' that is a signal for a secret teaching to be inserted, one not written in the book. In addition to this the Bible books contain Gematria where names and places have been switched with other names and places of the same numerical value i.e where A=1, B=2, C-3 etc. Then neames or places can be given a numerical value and switched with another word with the same numerical value. Its appears Christianity contains Pagan myths encoded into its teachings, one example of this is Sun worship encoded in the fable of Jesus which has been covered all over the internet. The Christians worship on the day of the Sun, in a temple orientated to the Suns' rise and setting. They celebrate at various days of the year relating to the Sun's transition across the sky. Jesus was not born on 25th December. The Catholic church or rather Jesuits have telescopes trained on the sun, studying it. Do they report their findings to the congregation? What is the religious purpose of studying the sun? Sun worship is a part of Paganism and many connect it to Baal worship. Baal is often portrayed as the Hebrew God's main adversary. Baal also means owner or Lord. St Peters square appears to be a giant Sundial with its central Obelisk. The name Peter being close to Pater which was the title given to the leader of Pagan sects and hence chosen to be the originator of Christianity. Holy communion is, to my view, akin to ritualized cannibalism at worst and at best it is the celebration of the Sun's power through eating the fruits of its rays - bread and wine, and hence Sun worship, According to John Allegro Christianity contains Magic Mushroom cult influences, again, shamanic or pagan like beliefs. The Buddhists say, Jesus visited the Far East and studied Buddhism taking the teachings back with him and there are people like Bill Donahue who are trying to decode the Buddhist teachings of Jesus. Its just possible that by studying Buddhism you are following Christ. Interestingly where were the 3 wise men from? They came from the East, well East of the Middle East where Jesus was born is the Far East, is it possible Buddhists visited Jesus's birth as the 3 wise men? Its been said they may have been from Persia and followed Zoroastrianism. It has been said ending a prayer with Amen assigns the prayer to Amon the Egyptian god. As stated above, Baal means Owner or Lord. If we address our prayers to Lord are we directing them to Baal? Catholics pray to saints and also to the Pope, you see them kneel at statues - this is idolatry and forbidden according to their own religion. Paganism involved the worship of many deity's. I've read that Judaism is based on Pagan myths and of course Christianity is based on Judaism. It is also said Jesus and Christianity was made up by the Roman Piso family. There was a leaflet circulating back in the 70's that laid out the conspiracy and used Gematria to prove certain names were interchangeable with Piso family names. Hence Jesus may be a Roman creation. The Jews were supposedly in on this deception or rather were the only ones, other than the Piso family, to know about it. If I remember correctly there was also supposed to be a famous letter written from some church leader to another about the church getting rich off the myth of Jesus. I can't understand circumcision, religious people believe God is perfect and everything he does is perfect and yet they seem to think when it comes to designing men, he got it wrong and they need to 'correct' his mistake. Its unbelievable and wrong on many levels. Same with drugs, God designed all of creation yet somehow he also designed 'bad plants' that we should not use, again, if God created everything he did it for a reason and we shouldn't assume he made mistakes. Bill Hicks spoke about that. There appears to be links with Jesus and Cannabis, cannabis oil being one of the tools he used to heal. Also, it is thought Cannabis incense was burnt in churches to help attain a spiritual state. Some, Rastafarian believe Cannabis is the Tree of Knowledge. Coptic Christians use it to enter a spiritual state. Has its use been suppressed to us by the Church? Is Jesus Lucifer/Satan? Thats an interesting thought, it seems a few people think so. It came up on the old forum but its down right now otherwise I would have copied and pasted from them to put some views up. I'm very interested to hear peoples theories on that. If we are guided by spiritual energies yet we are blind as humans to that realm how can we be sure who the guide is. The spiritual guide could present itself as anything and we are unable to know for sure what it is. Maybe Jesus is Lucifer with a different mask on and when we die the mask is removed and the true teacher revealed. Maybe the true guide is neither Jesus or Lucifer its just it appears to us as one or the other or one of a number of other deities we supposedly know about. Lucifer (perhaps a Latin word) or Satan is supposed to turn humanity to worship him, he would not be openly able to do this so it is logical that he would try to deceive us into worshiping him as something else, most Christians worship Jesus as God, hence it would be a good trick for Satan to appear as Jesus and divert worship from God to him. Who is Jesus Christ? Thats not even his real name its a corruption of Latin and English, his Roman name would be Jesus Christus but we leave off the 'us' to Anglicize it thus his English name should be Jes Christ, but Christ is just a title. So what does 'Jes' mean? You have to break it down into its roots and radicals. First off, there isn't a 'J' in Hebrew or Greek, so the 'J' translates to 'I' so we have 'Ies' breaking that down we get 'I' the Greek and Hebrew symbol for God or the One Great God and 'es' which is Phoenician for Fire. Hence Ies stands for Great God of Fire. What was the great God of fire in Paganism? The Sun. Hence Jesus's name means Great God of Fire. Christians have different versions for his real name and if I remember correctly the Buddhists called him Esa or Isa, so do the Muslims. So why do we have Jesus Christ as his name born on 25th December as central to Christian faith when both facts are untrue? Do they even know his real name? How can Christians be sure if they are praying to Jesus Christ that they are praying to the right entity. My guess is that Jesus Christ is his title and thus by praying to the title they are directing their prayer to the Man or God that is Jesus. So here is an example of deflected worship. Regarding communicating with energies, the Bible itself warns us against any dealings with the occult or even astrology. Hence dealing with spiritual energies is not advised yest Religions are themselves occult, they deal witht the spiritual realm and hence the dead. We celebrate the dead on Halloweens day, a festival lots of Christians join in with yet in reality its a morbid thing to celebrate. Same as Jesus on the cross, as Bill Hicks said 'If Jesus comes back do you think he will want to see another cross?' Why then don't Christians use the Fish for instance as his symbol. (some do, called Church Of Ichthus bu they again seem to be based on pagan ideals) According to an archaeological study it seems God originally had a wife - Asherah. I've often wondered in the Genesis verse where God says 'Let US make Man in OUR image' who he was talking to. Of course then he made a Man and then a Man and Woman (thats if you read the King James version). Where has the female God gone? Did Jesus have a wife? The Gnostic texts talk of Jesus kissing Mary on the mouth. The Gnostic's believed sex bought a couple closer to God. So is it likely Jesus had sexual relations with Mary? Its likely he was a man after all. As a religious Jewish man it would also be expected of him to take a wife. Did he and Mary marry? Some interpret the wedding at Canna where Jesus turned water into wine as their own wedding ceremony. There is Gnostic and Apocryphal gospels that suggest Jesus had a wife. There is the Cult of Mary Magdalene in France where if I remember correctly Mary was depicted with child. Could there be a bloodline? The Bible translations differ from the originals regarding the creation of man, in the Anchor Bible series which purports to be a literal translation of the original texts, the verse apparently reads - God first made a Human (without sex) and from this Human it took a side (half) and then created Man and Woman. Hence man was not created first and Woman was not created from a small insignificant part of Adam but was probably made with equal 'Holy Stuff' (read clay or dust) Christian sects have different versions of the Bible and differing beliefs. There are differences between the translated versions and the Greek versions, there are differences in the Gospels and they have been added and changed. The ascension story of Jesus ascended into the Heavens was added later and not in the Greek. The Quran is said to be a perfect book and written in such a way that it can't be changed. For it to be stated as such is as if the Muslims have learnt the lesson of the Bible being mistranslated and misinterpreted and corrupted and have tried to guard against the same happening to their book. Thus the charge that the Bible has been altered and corrupted is an old one that goes way back. Also the Quran levels the charge that some people of the book are sun worshipers and idolaters, again this charge against Christianity goes way back beyond Zeitgeist even beyond Rev Taylor's Devil Pulpit written and preached in 1800's and Alexander Hislop Two Babylons again written in 1800's. In the Gospel of Thomas Jesus says - Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there." To me, if you lift a rock, in the space where the rock was sitting there is now open space but sunlight has filled it, same with if you split wood, sunlight will fill the space in between. So I think Jesus himself is saying he is the sun. If Jesus is the Sun and also the Son then who is the father? That which created the Sun and of course us. Then we have other texts like the Gospel of Mary not accepted a part of the christian religion. The council of Nicea deciding what to accept essentially filtering out many texts that could help our understanding. The church not releasing early works for public scrutiny. There was a Christian church in Ethiopia (or somewhere) that predated the first Roman church so the Spanish on discovering this destroyed it and the writings in it as being sent from the devil. Many religious texts have been burnt or destroyed. What did they have to say? What do the Freemasons know? I have been told part of it is the Gospel of Good Works. I think the gist is if they do charitable work for one another they all benefit, get rich and get into heaven for being charitable, a kind of loophole into heaven. But their system is wrapped up in mystery and according to their own website they don't know its origins. Do they even know who they worship? Pike says Lucifer, I don't know enough about it but on the regalia can often be seen two towers, this symbol links back to Mithraism and possibly Baal worship as I've read Baal was represented by two towers as well as a Bull and other symbols. Obelisks, temples and towers being associated with Sun worship and hence possibly rooted in Baal worship. If Lucifer is a Roman creation and Freemasonary may have its roots in Mithraism, practiced in Roman times, then its possible it is has links to Luciferianism. Some see Lucifer as the Morning Star and hence associate it with enlightenment and masons are all about enlightenment and receiving the light. According to Rev Taylor, Jesus is symbolically the Sun. The gospels have obscure references to which he describes the motion of the sun through the various signs at different times of year. Its very compelling, in this interpretation Jesus and Satan are one and the same - both the sun, Jesus is the sun in summer riding high in his heavenly glory, and Satan is the sun in winter in the depths of the bottomless pit. It backs up the whole astrotheology theory. I wonder if this knowledge encoded into the bible is one of the 7 seals? Without an understanding of languages, history, symbology, numerology, codes and occult knowledge how can anyone understand the message in the bible or other religious books. How can you be certain you are directing your worship towards the right energy/entity? This is why I think religions are corrupted, they have been altered and true meanings hidden so the uninitiated direct their worship to other entities and not God. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to" With all that I've just written, I have been told, and I believe it, there is a golden thread of truth that runs through all religions which is partly why I find it so fascinating. I think most Christians are good people I just worry they are being used as pawns by the dark side in spiritual warfare. Read thew sermon on the mount, I believe that lays out Jesus's teachings. From what I've read, an old Rabbi once said 'Treat everyone as you wish to be treated is all you need to take from religion, everything else is window dressing' Paraphrasing there but thats basically exactly what was said - he was speaking of Judaism but the same could be said for Christianity. Love thy neighbour, if we all did that as individuals and nations then wouldn't it be heaven on earth. Worth mentioning the book, 'The First Coming: How the Kingdom of God Became Christianity' by Thomas Sheehan. In it the author argues that Jesus came and completed his mission and established the Kingdom of Heaven here on Earth, we all just need to realize it and act accordingly. As previously stated, if we all treated each other as we ourselves wish to be treated this world would be a much better place. Jesus freed us from the old superstitions and ridiculous rules like stoning a person for wearing two different types of fabric/ material. Or sacrificing first born cattle and all the other and barbaric superstitions from our Pagan past and introduced a simple religion with a few rules and one day off a week. What the hell happened to turn it into a religion of persecutors, torturers and murders God only knows. Well ok , we do know - Men. Thats what happened to it, it got corrupted by men. So thats my rant against religions with a conspiratorial slant. Are religions based on Pagan myths, are Christians praying to the wrong energies, are all religions corrupt, does anyone here understand religion and able to discern the truth? What is it? How do you talk to Jesus? How do you know it IS Jesus? 'Whats his real name? I think what we call God is the soul of the universe and all living things are a part of it and connected to it. It doesn't need worship, I guess acknowledgement is good, but for me you don't need churches or temples, I think the best thing to do is get out into nature and appreciate it, feed some wild animals, be kind to each other (love thy neighbor) If you must pray do it privately (But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. Mathew 6.6) If I was going to follow a religion it would be Quakerism or perhaps Buddhism, although the latter is considered more a philosophy not a religion and may well be based on Paganism again, but its heartening to think that Jesus may have been a Buddhist. I'm still learning though so I'm open to new ideas. But I think unless you know exactly what your doing getting involved in any organized religion is a spiritually risky thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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