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1 hour ago, theo102 said:


We can accurately measure the interaction by comparing the wavelength of a photon with the amount of energy that is transferred to or from physical substance like an atom.

This interaction is described mathematically by the equation E = hf, where E is the transfer energy, f is the frequency of the light, and h is Planck's constant. With a good model it's possible to find the a theoretical value of Planck's constant which matches the value that is found experimentally.


Well I was not referring to the energy level of the photon but what the photon IS itself.  Its identity and existence as a quantifiable THING.

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3 hours ago, Truthspoon said:


Well I was not referring to the energy level of the photon but what the photon IS itself.  Its identity and existence as a quantifiable THING.


One way of looking at it is that the photon is the energy exchange, but that doesn't tell you what light is.


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Excerpts from the book 'The Secret Teachings Of All The Ages - Manly P Hall' pertinent to this thread are presented below. Page numbers refer to the online version at Sacred Texts


Here - https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/index.htm


The Ancient Mysteries and Secret Societies - Part 3


Atlantis and the Gods of Antiquity

The Myth Of The Dying God
From a consideration of all these ancient and secret rituals it becomes evident that the mystery of the dying god was universal among the illumined and venerated colleges of the sacred teaching. This mystery has been perpetuated in Christianity in the crucifixion and death of the God-man-Jesus the Christ. The secret import of this world tragedy and the Universal Martyr must be rediscovered if Christianity is to reach the heights attained by the pagans in the days of their philosophic supremacy.

The myth of the dying god is the key to both universal and individual redemption and regeneration, and those who do not comprehend the true nature of this supreme allegory are not privileged to consider themselves either wise or truly religious.


The Sun, A Universal Deity
THE adoration of the sun was one of the earliest and most natural forms of religious expression. Complex modern theologies are merely involvements and amplifications of this simple aboriginal belief. The primitive mind, recognizing the beneficent power of the solar orb, adored it as the proxy of the Supreme Deity. Concerning the origin of sun worship, Albert Pike makes the following concise statement in his Morals and Dogma: "To them [aboriginal peoples] he [the sun] was the innate fire of bodies, the fire of Nature. Author of Life, heat, and ignition, he was to them the efficient cause of all generation, for without him there was no movement, no existence, no form. He was to them immense, indivisible, imperishable, and everywhere present. It was their need of light, and of his creative energy, that was felt by all men; and nothing was more fearful to them than his absence. His beneficent influences caused his identification with the Principle of Good; and the BRAHMA of the Hindus, and MITHRAS of the Persians, and ATHOM, AMUN, PHTHA, and OSIRIS, of the Egyptians, the BEL of the Chaldeans, the ADONAI of the Phoenicians, the ADONIS and APOLLO of the Greeks, became but personifications of the Sun, the regenerating Principle, image of that fecundity which perpetuates and rejuvenates the world's existence."


"The sun rises in the east, and in the east is the place for the Worshipful Master. As the sun is the source of all light and warmth, so should the Worshipful Master enliven and warm the brethren to their work. Among the ancient Egyptians the sun was the symbol of divine providence." The hierophants of the Mysteries were adorned with many. insignia emblematic of solar power. The sunbursts of gilt embroidery on the back of the vestments of the Catholic  priesthood signify that the priest is also an emissary and representative of Sol Invictus.



For reasons which they doubtless considered sufficient, those who chronicled the life and acts of Jesus found it advisable to metamorphose him into a solar deity. The historical Jesus was forgotten; nearly all the salient incidents recorded in the four Gospels have their correlations in the movements, phases, or functions of the heavenly bodies.


Among other allegories borrowed by Christianity from pagan antiquity is the story of the beautiful, blue eyed Sun God, with His golden hair falling upon His shoulders, robed from head to foot in spotless white and carrying in His arms the Lamb of God, symbolic of the vernal equinox. This handsome youth is a composite of Apollo, Osiris, Orpheus, Mithras, and Bacchus, for He has certain characteristics in common with each of these pagan deities.


The pagans set aside the 25th of December as the birthday of the Solar Man. They rejoiced, feasted, gathered in processions, and made offerings in the temples. The darkness of winter was over and the glorious son of light was returning to the Northern Hemisphere. With his last effort the old Sun God had torn down the house of the Philistines (the Spirits of Darkness) and had cleared the way for the new sun who was born that day from the depths of the earth amidst the symbolic beasts of the lower world.


Concerning this season of celebration, an anonymous Master of Arts of Balliol College, Oxford, in his scholarly treatise, Mankind Their Origin and Destiny, says: "The Romans also had their solar festival, and their games of the circus in honor of the birth of the god of day. It took place the eighth day before the kalends of January--that is, on December 25. Servius, in his commentary on verse 720 of the seventh book of the Æneid, in which Virgil speaks of the new sun, says that, properly speaking, the sun is new on the 8th of the Kalends of January-that is, December 25. In the time of Leo I. (Leo, Serm. xxi., De Nativ. Dom. p. 148), some of the Fathers of the Church said that 'what rendered the festival (of Christmas) venerable was less the birth of Jesus Christ than the return, and, as they expressed it, the new birth of the sun.' It was on the same day that the birth of the Invincible Sun (Natalis solis invicti), was celebrated at Rome, as can be seen in the Roman calendars, published in the reign of Constantine and of Julian (Hymn to the Sun, p. 155). This epithet 'Invictus' is the same as the Persians gave to this same god, whom they worshipped by the name of Mithra, and whom they caused to be born in a grotto (Justin. Dial. cum Trips. p. 305), just as he is represented as being born in a stable, under the name of Christ, by the Christians."



Not only were many of the founders of the United States Government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe, which helped them to establish this country for a peculiar and particular purpose known only to the initiated few. The Great Seal is the signature of this exalted body--unseen and for the most part unknown--and the unfinished pyramid upon its reverse side is a trestleboard setting forth symbolically the task to the accomplishment of which the United States Government was dedicated from the day of its inception.



Among some cults the state of intoxication was viewed as a condition somewhat akin to ecstasy, for the individual was believed to be possessed by the Universal Spirit of Life, whose chosen vehicle was the vine. In the Mysteries, the grape was often used to symbolize lust and debauchery because of its demoralizing effect upon the emotional nature. The fact was recognized, however, that fermentation was the certain evidence of the presence of the solar fire, hence the grape was accepted as the proper symbol of the Solar Spirit--the giver of divine enthusiasm. In a somewhat similar manner, Christians have accepted wine as the emblem of the blood of Christ, partaking of it in Holy Communion. Christ, the exoteric emblem of the Solar Spirit, said, "I am the vine." He was therefore worshiped with the wine of ecstasy in the same manner as were his pagan prototypes--Bacchus, Dionysos, Arys, and Adonis.

The Tabernacle in the Wilderness


THERE is no doubt that much of the material recorded in the first five books of the Old Testament is derived from the initiatory rituals of the Egyptian Mysteries. The priests of Isis were deeply versed in occult lore, and the Israelites during their captivity in Egypt learned from them many things concerning the significance of Divinity and the manner of worshiping It. The authorship of the first five books of the Old Testament is generally attributed to Moses, but whether or not he was the actual writer of them is a matter of controversy. There is considerable evidence to substantiate the hypothesis that the Pentateuch was compiled at a much later date, from oral traditions.

Four of the signs of the zodiac have been permanently dedicated to the equinoxes and the solstices; and, while the signs no longer correspond with the ancient constellations to which they were assigned, and from which they secured their names, they are accepted by modern astronomers as a basis of calculation. The vernal equinox is therefore said to occur in the constellation of Aries (the Ram). It is fitting that of all beasts a Ram should be placed at the head of the heavenly flock forming the zodiacal band. Centuries before the Christian Era, the pagans revered this constellation. Godfrey Higgins states:


“This constellation was called the ‘Lamb of God.’ He was also called the ‘Savior,’and was said to save mankind from their sins. He was always honored with the appellation of ‘Dominus’ or ‘Lord.’ He was called the ‘Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world.’ The devotees addressing him in their litany, constantly repeated the words, ‘O Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world, have mercy upon us. Grant us Thy peace.”’


Therefore, the Lamb of God is a title given to the sun, who is said to be reborn every year in the Northern Hemisphere in the sign of the Ram, although, due to the existing discrepancy between the signs of the zodiac and the actual star groups, it actually rises in the sign of Pisces.


The Life and Philosophy of Pythagoras
In his Anacalypsis, Godfrey Higgins writes:

“The first striking circumstance in which the history of Pythagoras agrees with the history of Jesus is, that they were natives of nearly the same country; the former being born at Sidon, the latter at Bethlehem, both in Syria. The father of Pythagoras, as well as the father of Jesus, was prophetically informed that his wife should bring forth a son, who should be a benefactor to mankind. They were both born when their mothers were from home on journeys, Joseph and his wife having gone up to Bethlehem to be taxed, and the father of Pythagoras having travelled from Samos, his residence, to Sidon, about his mercantile concerns. Pythais [Pythasis], the mother of Pythagoras, had a connexion with an Apolloniacal spectre, or ghost, of the God Apollo, or God Sol, (of course this must have been a holy ghost, and here we have the Holy Ghost) which afterward appeared to her husband, and told him that he must have no connexion with his wife during her pregnancy – a story evidently the same as that relating to Joseph and Mary. From these peculiar circumstances, Pythagoras was known by the same title as Jesus, namely, the son of God; and was supposed by the multitude to be under the influence of Divine inspiration.”

Fishes, Insects, Animals,Reptiles and Birds
THE creatures inhabiting the water, air, and earth were held in veneration by all races of antiquity. Realizing that visible bodies are only symbols of invisible forces, the ancients worshiped the Divine Power through the lower kingdoms of Nature, because those less evolved and more simply constituted creatures responded most readily to the creative impulses of the gods. The sages of old studied living things to a point of realization that God is most perfectly understood through a knowledge of His supreme handiwork – animate and inanimate Nature.


Every existing creature manifests some aspect of the intelligence or power of the Eternal One, who can never be known save through a study and appreciation of His numbered but inconceivable parts. When a creature is chosen, therefore, to symbolize to the concrete human mind some concealed abstract principle it is because its characteristics demonstrate this invisible principle in visible action. Fishes, insects, animals, reptiles, and birds appear in the religious symbolism of nearly all nations, because the forms and habits of these creatures and the media in which they exist closely relate them to the various generative and germinative powers of Nature, which were considered as prima-facie evidence of divine omnipresence.


Mystic Christianity

THE true story of the life of Jesus of Nazareth has never been unfolded to the world, either in the accepted Gospels or in the Apocrypha, although a few stray hints may be found in some of the commentaries written by the ante-Nicene Fathers. The facts concerning His identity and mission are among the priceless mysteries preserved to this day in the secret vaults beneath the "Houses of the Brethren." To a few of the Knights Templars, who were initiated into the arcana of the Druses, Nazarenes, Essenes, Johannites, and other sects still inhabiting the remote and inaccessible fastnesses of the Holy Land, part of the strange story was told. The knowledge of the Templars concerning the early history of Christianity was undoubtedly one of the main reasons for their persecution and final annihilation. The discrepancies in the writings of the early Church Fathers not only are irreconcilable, but demonstrate beyond question that even during the first five centuries after Christ these learned men had for the basis of their writings little more substantial than folklore and hearsay. To the easy believer everything is possible and there are no problems. The unemotional person in search of facts, however, is confronted by a host of problems with uncertain factors, of which the following are typical:


According to popular conception, Jesus was crucified during the thirty-third year of His life and in the third year of His ministry following His baptism. About A.D. 180, St. Irenæus, Bishop of Lyons, one of the most eminent of the ante-Nicene theologians, wrote Against Heresies, an attack on the doctrines of the Gnostics. In this work Irenæus declared upon the authority of the Apostles themselves that Jesus lived to old age. To quote: "They, however, that they may establish their false opinion regarding that which is written, 'to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,' maintain that He preached for one year only, and then suffered in the twelfth month. [In speaking thus], they are forgetful of their own disadvantage, destroying His whole work, and robbing Him of that age which is both more necessary and more honourable than any other; that more advanced age, I mean, during which also as a teacher He excelled all others. For how could He have had His disciples, if He did not teach? And how could He have taught, unless He had reached the age of a Master? For when He came to be baptised, He had not yet completed His thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: 'Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old,' when He came to receive baptism); and, (according to these men,) He preached only one year reckoning from His baptism. On completing His thirtieth year He suffered, being in fact still a young man, and who had by no means attained to advanced age. Now, that the first stage of early life embraces thirty years, and that this extends onward to the fortieth year, every one will admit; but from the fortieth and fiftieth year a man begins to decline towards old age, which Our Lord possessed while He still fulfilled the office of a Teacher, even as the Gospel and all the elders testify; those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, (affirming) that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the time of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the'(validity of) the statement. Whom then should we rather believe? Whether such men as these, or Ptolemæus, who never saw the apostles, and who never even in his dreams attained to the slightest trace of an apostle?"


Commenting on the foregoing passage, Godfrey Higgins remarks that it has fortunately escaped the hands of those destroyers who have attempted to render the Gospel narratives consistent by deleting all such statements. He also notes that the doctrine of the crucifixion was a vexata questio among Christians even during the second century. "The evidence of Irenæus," he says, "cannot be touched. On every principle of sound criticism, and of the doctrine of probabilities, it is unimpeachable."


It should further be noted that Irenæus prepared this statement to contradict another apparently current in his time to the effect that the ministry of Jesus lasted but one year. Of all the early Fathers, Irenæus, writing within eighty years after the death of St. John the Evangelist, should have had reasonably accurate information. If the disciples themselves related that Jesus lived to advanced age in the body, why has the mysterious number 33 been arbitrarily chosen to symbolize the duration of His life? Were the incidents in the life of Jesus purposely altered so that His actions would fit more closely into the pattern established by the numerous Savior-Gods who preceded Him? That these analogies were recognized and used as a leverage in converting the Greeks and Romans is evident from a perusal of the writings of Justin Martyr, another second-century authority. In his Apology, Justin addresses the pagans thus:


"And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, Our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. * * * And if we assert that the Word of God was born of God in a peculiar manner, different from ordinary generation, let this, as said above, be no extraordinary thing to you, who say that Mercury is the angelic word of God. But if any one objects that He was crucified, in this also He is on a par with those reputed sons of Jupiter of yours, who suffered as we have now enumerated."


From this it is evident that the first missionaries of the Christian Church were far more willing to admit the similarities between their faith and the faiths of the pagans than were their successors in later centuries. 

The Cross and the Crucifixion
ONE of the most interesting legends concerning the cross is that preserved in Aurea Legenda, by Jacobus de Vorgaine. The Story is to the effect that Adam, feeling the end of his life was near, entreated his son Seth to make a pilgrimage to the Garden of Eden and secure from the angel on guard at the entrance the Oil of Mercy which God had promised mankind. Seth did not know the way; but his father told him it was in an eastward direction, and the path would be easy to follow, for when Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of the Lord, upon the path which their feet had trod the grass had never grown.


Seth, following the directions of his father, discovered the Garden of Eden without difficulty. The angel who guarded the gate permitted him to enter, and in the midst of the garden Seth beheld a great tree, the branches of which reached up to heaven. The tree was in the form of a cross, and stood on the brink of a precipice which led downward into the depths of hell. Among the roots of the tree he saw the body of his brother Cain, held prisoner by the entwining limbs. The angel refused to give Seth the Oil of Mercy, but presented him instead with three seeds from the Tree of Life (some say the Tree of Knowledge). With these Seth returned to his father, who was so overjoyed that he did not desire to live longer. Three days later he died, and the three seeds were buried in his mouth, as the angel had instructed. The seeds became a sapling with three trunks in one, which absorbed into itself the blood of Adam, so that the life of Adam was in the tree. Noah dug up this tree by the roots and took it with him into the Ark. After the waters subsided, he buried the skull of Adam under Mount Calvary, and planted the tree on the summit of Mount Lebanon.


Moses beheld a visionary being in the midst of this tree (the burning bush) and from it cut the magical rod with which he was able to bring water out of a stone. But because he failed to call upon the Lord the second time he struck the rock, he was not permitted to carry the sacred staff into the Promised Land; so he planted it in the hills of Moab. After much searching, King David discovered the tree; and his son, Solomon, tried to use it for a pillar in his Temple, but his carpenters could not cut it so that it would fit; it was always either too long or too short. At last, disgusted, they cast it aside and used it for a bridge to connect Jerusalem with the surrounding hills. When the Queen of Sheba came to visit King Solomon she was expected to walk across this bridge. Instead, when she beheld the tree, she refused to put her foot upon it, but, after kneeling and praying, removed her sandals and forded the stream. This so impressed King Solomon that he ordered the log to be overlaid with golden places and placed above the door of his Temple. There it remained until his covetous grandson stole the gold, and buried the tree so that the crime would not be discovered.

From the ground where the tree was buried there immediately bubbled forth a spring of water, which became known as Bethesda. To it the sick from all Syria came to be healed. The angel of the pool became the guardian of the tree, and it remained undisturbed for many years. Eventually the log floated to the surface and was used as a bridge again, this time between Calvary and Jerusalem; and over it Jesus passed to be crucified. There was no wood on Calvary; so the tree was cut into two parts to serve as the cross upon which the Son of Man was crucified. The cross was set up at the very spot where the skull of Adam had been buried. Later, when the cross was discovered by the Empress Helena, the wood was found to be of four different varieties contained in one tree (representing the elements), and thereafter the cross continued to heal all the sick who were permitted to touch it.


The prevalent idea that the reverence for the cross is limited to the Christian world is disproved by even the most superficial investigation of its place in religious symbolism. The early Christians used every means possible to conceal the pagan origin of their symbols, doctrines, and rituals. They either destroyed the sacred books of other peoples among whom they settled, or made them inaccessible to students of comparative philosophy, apparently believing that in this way they could stamp out all record of the pre-Christian origin of their doctrines. In some cases the writings of various ancient authors were tampered with, passages of a compromising nature being removed or foreign material interpolated. The supposedly spurious passage in Josephus concerning Jesus is an example adduced to illustrate this proclivity.

The Mystery of the Apocalypse
THE presence of the Temple of Diana at Ephesus marked that city as sacred to the Mystery religion, for the Seven Wonders of the ancient world were erected to indicate the repositories of recondite knowledge. Of Ephesus, H. P. Blavatsky writes:


"It was a focus of the universal 'secret' doctrines; the weird laboratory whence, fashioned in elegant Grecian phraseology, sprang the quintessence of Buddhistic, Zoroastrian, and Chaldean philosophy. Artemis, the gigantic concrete symbol of theosophico-pantheistic abstractions, the great mother Multimamma, androgyne and patroness of the 'Ephesian writings,' was conquered by Paul; but although the zealous converts of the apostles pretended to burn all their books on 'curious arts, τα περιεργα, enough of these remained for them to study when their first zeal had cooled off." (See Isis Unveiled.)

Being a great center of pagan learning, Ephesus has been the locale for many early Christian myths. The assertion has been made that it was the last domicile of the Virgin Mary; also that the tomb of St. John the Divine was located there. According to legend, St. John did not depart from this life in the usual manner but, selecting his vault, entered it while still alive, and closing the entrance behind him, vanished forever from mortal sight. A rumor was current in ancient Ephesus that St. John would sleep in his tomb until the return of the Savior, and that when the apostle turned over on his sepulchral couch the earth above moved like the coverlets of a bed.


Subjected to more criticism than any other book now incorporated in the New Testament, the Apocalypse--popularly accredited to St. John the Divine--is by far the most important but least understood of the Gnostic Christian writings. Though Justin Martyr declared the Book of Revelation to have been written by "John, one of Christ's apostles," its authorship was disputed as early as the second century after Christ. In the third century these contentions became acute and even Dionysius of Alexandria and Eusebius attacked the Johannine theory, declaring that both the Book of Revelation and the Gospel according to St. John were written by one Cerinthus, who borrowed the name of the great apostle the better to foist his own doctrines upon the Christians. Later Jerome questioned the authorship of the Apocalypse and during the Reformation his objections were revived by Luther and Erasmus. The once generally accepted notion that the Book of Revelation was the actual record of a "mystical experience" occurring to St. John while that seer was an exile in the Isle of Parmos is now regarded with disfavor by more critical scholars. Other explanations have therefore been advanced to account for the symbolism permeating the volume and the original motive for its writing. The more reasonable of these theories may be summed up as follows:


First, upon the weight of evidence furnished by its own contents the Book of Revelation may well be pronounced a pagan writing--one of the sacred books of the Eleusinian or Phrygian Mysteries. As a corollary, the real author of a work setting forth the profundities of Egyptian and Greek mysticism must have been an initiate himself and consequently obligated to write only in the symbolic language of the Mysteries.


Second, it is possible that the Book of Revelation was written to reconcile the seeming discrepancies between the early Christian and pagan religious philosophies. When the zealots of the primitive Christian Church sought to Christianize pagandom, the pagan initiates retorted with a powerful effort to paganize Christianity. The Christians failed but the pagans succeeded. With the decline of paganism the initiated pagan hierophants transferred their base of operations to the new vehicle of primitive Christianity, adopting the symbols of the new cult to conceal those eternal verities which are ever the priceless possession of the wise. The Apocalypse shows clearly the resultant fusion of pagan and Christian symbolism and thus bears irrefutable evidence of the activities of these initiated minds operating through early Christianity.


Third, the theory has been advanced that the Book of Revelation represents the attempt made by the unscrupulous members of a certain religious order to undermine the Christian Mysteries by satirizing their philosophy. This nefarious end they hoped to attain by showing the new faith to be merely a restatement of the ancient pagan doctrines, by heaping ridicule upon Christianity, and by using its own symbols toward its disparagement. For example, the star which fell to earth (Rev. viii. 10-11) could be construed to mean the Star of Bethlehem, and the bitterness of that star (called Wormwood and which poisoned mankind) could signify the "false" teachings of the Christian Church. While the last theory has gained a certain measure of popularity, the profundity of the Apocalypse leads the discerning reader to the inevitable conclusion that this is the least plausible of the three hypotheses. To those able to pierce the veil of its symbolism, the inspired source of the document requires no further corroborative evidence.


The Mysteries and Their Emissaries
Sitting in the chair of philosophy previously occupied by her father, Theon the mathematician, the immortal Hypatia was for many years the central figure in the Alexandrian School of Neo-Platonism. Famed alike for the depth of her learning and the charm of her person, beloved by the citizens of Alexandria, and frequently consulted by the magistrates of that city, this noble woman stands out from the pages of history as the greatest of the pagan martyrs. A personal disciple of the magician Plutarch, and versed in the profundities of the Platonic School, Hypatia eclipsed in argument and public esteem every proponent of the Christian doctrines in Northern Egypt. While her writings perished at the time of the burning of the library of Alexandria by the Mohammedans, some hint of their nature may be gleaned from the statements of contemporaneous authors. Hypatia evidently wrote a commentary on the Arithmetic of Diophantus, another on the Astronomical Canon of Ptolemy, and a third on the Conics of Apollonius of Perga. Synesius, Bishop of Ptolemais, her devoted friend, wrote to Hypatia for assistance in the construction of an astrolabe and a hydroscope. Recognizing the transcendency of her intellect, the learned of many nations flocked to the academy where she lectured.


A number of writers have credited the teachings of Hypatia with being Christian in spirit; in fact she removed the veil of mystery in which the new cult had enshrouded itself, discoursing with such clarity upon its most involved principles that many newly converted to the Christian faith deserted it to become her disciples. Hypatia not only proved conclusively the pagan origin of the Christian faith but also exposed the purported miracles then advanced by the Christians as tokens of divine preference by demonstrating the natural laws controlling the phenomena.

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On 10/7/2020 at 12:29 PM, theo102 said:

One way of looking at it is that the photon is the energy exchange, but that doesn't tell you what light is.


Light is ... alive.  It is not a physical thing.  And there is no such thing as matter mean a dead inanimate thing.  Everything is alive.  Of course an atom or electron has such a long level of 'consciousness' that it barely deserves the word ... but it has 'something', something extremely basic is alive inside it ... that is one reason for the uncertainty of position/velocity of fundamental particles.  Because they are alive it means they are not totally predictable.

As the scale and organisation of substance increases, from atoms to organic compounds to cellular organisms ... each time there is a jump in intelligence.

When you see something ... firstly recognize that your eyes measure the heat of objects .. you don't see colour ... you are an instrument for measuring heat radiation ... that is then presented to you as "colour".

But as you see something over there ... you not only see the heat/colour ... you can feel what it is, the light is a bridge to sensing the being of the object.

All these things can be investigated .. it is  a different world.

Truly humans live in a sort of death world of their own invention where they are desperate to kill the idea that something might be alive especially them themselves.


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On 11/3/2020 at 8:03 AM, theo102 said:

Dead is dead. Belief that life and death are the same would be a win for the death cult.


You are small minded.  I am not talking about stupid things.

Re-read what I said see if you can grasp any of it.


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On 11/4/2020 at 12:39 AM, rideforever said:


You are small minded.  I am not talking about stupid things.

Re-read what I said see if you can grasp any of it.



Knowing that there's a difference between life and death doesn't make me small-minded.


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More quotes pertinent to the thread, this time from - 


The Light Of Egypt Vol2

Link - http://www.dominiopublico.gov.br/download/texto/gu001650.pdf



The mundane Bible of the Jews, like everything else esteemed sacred, finds its original and perfect expression in the great Astral Bible of the skies





There is one species of Divine revelation which has not, and cannot, be tampered with, one great Bible, which forms the starry original of all Bibles.


This sacred Bible is the great Astral Bible of the skies; its chapters are the twelve great signs, its pages are the innumerable glittering constellations of the heavenly vault, and its characters are the personified ideals of the radiant Sun, the silvery moon, and the shining planets, of our solar sphere.



In addition to the creation of the world and the fall of man through sin, we find all people in possession of a grand scheme of redemption, and, like the former, we shall find them all essentially the same. They all require a mediator between the angry God and disobedient man, and they all require that this mediator shall be Divine, or semi-Divine. Nothing less can satisfy Deity's demands; or, rather, let us say man's own carnal imagination. It is simply another turn of our cosmic kaleidoscope, and behold! the actors have changed. Capricorn becomes the stable of the Goat, in the manger of which the young Savior of the world is born. As a type of all, we will take the Gospel Savior. It is again midnight. The Sun enters the sign Capricorn on the twenty- first of December. This is the lowest point of the arc, South, and for three days he is stationary, or in darkness. And now it is Christmas Eve. He (the Sun or Savior) begins to move, and at midnight is born as the celestial Virgo is rising upon the Eastern quadrant of the skies; hence the Sun-God is born of a Virgin. Then comes the flight to escape Kronos, or Saturn (ruling Capricorn), who kills the young babes. There is a period of silence in the God's history while the Sun is in transit through the signs Capricorn and part of Aquarius. That is, he is hidden or obscured by the clouded skies of this period. We hear of him but once again until he, the Sun-God, or Savior, is thirty years old, or has transited thirty degrees of space. He has entered the sign Aquarius (symbolical of the Man.) Now begins the period of miracles.

The life of a Buddha, a Krishna or a Christ, are all found in their completeness in the life of Horus; while the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are Isis, Horus and Osirus. The same trinity, under different names, are found in all nations. It is the Sun, Moon and Human Soul, which is the only true mediator of Man.


There is another version of this celestial crucifixion, wherein the Sun-God-Savior, after the supper of the harvest in Virgo, is crucified at the autumnal equinox upon the equator. We read that he was dying from the sixth to the ninth hours--three hours, three signs, or from the 21st of September to the 21st of December, when he is laid in the tomb. This is the lowest point of the Sun's journey in the southern hemisphere, and darkness holds the balance in our northern hemisphere. The three days in the tomb are the three months, or three signs, before the vernal equinox, or the resurrection, the rising out of the South to bring salvation to the northern portion of our Earth.


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Its beginning to look a lot like Paganism as being the original true religion for worshiping the 'One God' creator and that Pagan system of beliefs was a description of the souls journey through its evolution to back to the source using the zodiac as a basis for metaphor. The Catholic church have annihilated these systems and ancient knowledge to gain spiritual control with which it has gained power, wealth and control over the people as the official spiritual mediator. Meanwhile it has forgotten or corrupted the secrets which it once held and which were once conveyed through the old mystery religions.


Has the church done this knowingly or accidentally? Are they intentionally corrupting us or have they just lost their way?


'By their fruits shall ye know them'


Wars, inquisitions, witch burning, persecutions, suppression of science, and amassing political power and obscene wealth, these are their fruits.

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I watched this lecture concerning the papacy.  I recommend it for a look at the parallels between it and Babylonian religion.  The papacy is described as the little horn power in Daniel 7.  I believe there is secret knowledge that they and their workers, the secret societies hold from and wield over the world. 
But it’s okay really.  Because:

Colossians 2:2

that their hearts may be encouraged, having been knit together in love, and attaining to all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding, resulting in a true knowledge of God’s mystery, that is, Christ Himself



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23 hours ago, Michi713 said:

I watched this lecture concerning the papacy.  I recommend it for a look at the parallels between it and Babylonian religion.  The papacy is described as the little horn power in Daniel 7.  I believe there is secret knowledge that they and their workers, the secret societies hold from and wield over the world. 


Thanks, watched it.


I like Walter Veith's stuff, I've seen a few of his videos, he's a very interesting speaker.

However he is a 7 Day Adventist and a creationist and because of that I'm not sure how much faith to put in his works, but he seems to speak a lot of truth.


It is a video very pertinent to this thread and he gives more information on the Pagan origins and practices of Christianity, so thanks for posting it. Its interesting where he translates 'IHS' to Isis Horus and Seb and the circle with a cross in it as a solar symbol and the symbol for Lucifer and 'Vatican' meaning 'Vatis' Diviner and 'Can' serpent giving 'the divining serpent'.

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Whilst religion has some very good qualities, its been totally co-opted and therefore cannot be trusted. All the texts have been subverted and the true meanings have been hidden. I think spirituality is the way forward as it's individual to the person and their individual connection to the universe to unique to them. This cannot be co-opted because there are no texts or rules which govern how you perceive reality and the creator. Just my thoughts. 

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On 12/12/2020 at 7:35 PM, Morpheus said:

Whilst religion has some very good qualities, its been totally co-opted and therefore cannot be trusted. All the texts have been subverted and the true meanings have been hidden. I think spirituality is the way forward as it's individual to the person and their individual connection to the universe to unique to them. This cannot be co-opted because there are no texts or rules which govern how you perceive reality and the creator. Just my thoughts. 


Yes I think your right. I have been told, all religions contain a golden thread of truth. Discerning that truth from the misinterpretations of organized religion is tricky, but thats what this thread now seems to be trying to do - to sift out the original truth in it and it is leading me in the spiritualist direction.


For a while now I have described my self as non religious but still spiritual, just can't strictly define that spirituality yet.

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Isis Unveiled - Volume 1 : Science - H P Blavatsky


That profoundly significant verse of the Genesis, "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, I gave a living soul, . . . ." should arrest the attention of every Hebrew scholar capable of reading the Scripture in its original, instead of following the erroneous translation, in which the phrase reads, "wherein there is life." †
From the first to the last chapters, the translators of the Jewish Sacred Books misconstrued this meaning. They have even changed the spelling of the name of God, as Sir W. Drummond proves. Thus El, if written correctly, would read Al, for it stands in the original la— Al, and, according to Higgins, this word means the god Mithra, the Sun, the preserver and savior. Sir W. Drummond shows that Beth-El means the House of the Sun in its literal translation, and not of God. "


The merit of Champollion as an Egyptologist none will question. He declares that everything demonstrates the ancient Egyptians to have been profoundly monotheistical. The accuracy of the writings of the mysterious Hermes Trismegistus, whose antiquity runs back into the night of time, is corroborated by him to their minutest details. Ennemoser also says: "Into Egypt and the East went Herodotus,Thales,Parmenides, Empedocles, Orpheus, and Pythagoras, to instruct themselves in Natural Philosophy and Theology." There, too, Moses acquired his wisdom, and Jesus passed the earlier years of his life.


Nothing more amusing than this contretemps has happened since the supposed statue of St. Peter was discovered by irreverent archæologists to be nothing else than the Jupiter of the Capitol, and Buddha's identity with the Catholic St. Josaphat was satisfactorily proven.

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Therefore, it is not only from the Mosaic books that we mean to adduce proof for our further arguments. The ancient Jews got all their knowledge — religious as well as profane — from the nations with which we see them mixed up from the earliest periods. Even the oldest of all sciences, their kabalistic "secret doctrine," may be traced in each detail to its primeval source, Upper India, or Turkestan, far before the time of a distinct separation between the Aryan and Semitic nations. The King Solomon so celebrated by posterity, as Josephus the historian says,* for his magical skill, got his secret learning from India through Hiram, the king of Ophir, and perhaps Sheba. His ring, commonly known as "Solomon's seal," so celebrated for the potency of its sway over the various kinds of genii and demons, in all the popular legends, is equally of Hindu origin.


† The claims of certain "adepts," which do not agree with those of the students of the purely Jewish Kabala, and show that the "secret doctrine" has originated in India, from whence it was brought to Chaldea, passing subsequently into the hands of the Hebrew "Tanaim," are singularly corroborated by the researches of the Christian missionaries. These pious and learned travellers have inadvertently come to our help. Dr. Caldwell, in his "Comparative Grammar of the Dravidian Languages," p. 66, and Dr. Mateer, in the "Land of Charity," p. 83, fully support our assertions that the "wise" King Solomon got all his kabalistic lore from India, as the above-given magical figure well shows.


In the Gospel according to Matthew, Jesus says: "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savor, wherewith shall it be salted?" and following the parable he adds: "Ye are the light of the world" (v. 14). This is more than an allegory; these words point to a direct and unequivocal meaning in relation to the spiritual and physical organisms of man in his dual nature, and show, moreover, a knowledge of the "secret doctrine," the direct traces of which we find equally in the oldest ancient and current popular traditions, in both the Old and New Testaments, and in the writings of the ancient and mediæval mystics and philosophers.



† The ignorance of the ancients of the earth's sphericity is assumed without warrant. What proof have we of the fact? It was only the literati who exhibited such an ignorance. Even so early as the time of Pythagoras, the Pagans taught it, Plutarch testifies to it, and Socrates died for it. Besides, as we have stated repeatedly, all knowledge was concentrated in the sanctuaries of the temples from whence it very rarely spread itself among the uninitiated. If the sages and priests of the remotest antiquity were not aware of this astronomical truth, how is it that they represented Kneph, the spirit of the first hour, with an egg placed on his lips, the egg signifying our globe, to which he imparts life by his breath. Moreover, if, owing to the difficulty of consulting the Chaldean "Book of Numbers," our critics should demand the citation of other authorities, we can refer them to Diogenes Laertius, who credits Manetho with having taught that the earth was in the shape of a ball. Besides, the same author, quoting most probably from the "Compendium of Natural Philosophy," gives the following statements of the Egyptian doctrine: "The beginning is matter Arch'n reu' ei'nai u'len , and from it the four elements separated. . . . The true form of God is unknown; but the world had a beginning and is therefore perishable. . . . The moon is eclipsed when it crosses the shadow of the earth" (Diogenes Laertius: "Prooein," §§ 10, 11). Besides, Pythagoras is credited with having taught that the earth was round, that it rotated, and was but a planet like any other of these celestial bodies. (See Fenelon's "Lives of the Philosophers.") In the latest of Plato's translations ("The Dialogues of Plato," by Professor Jowett), the author, in his introduction to "Timæus," notwithstanding "an unfortunate doubt" which arises in consequence of the word i[llesqai capable of being translated either "circling" or "compacted," feels inclined to credit Plato with having been familiar with the rotation of the earth.


Plato's doctrine is expressed in the following words: "The earth which is our nurse (compacted or) circling around the pole which is extended through the universe." But if we are to believe Proclus and Simplicius, Aristotle understood this word in "Timæus" "to mean circling or revolving" (De Coelo), and Mr. Jowett himself further admits that "Aristotle attributed to Plato the doctrine of the rotation of the earth." (See vol. ii. of "Dial. of Plato." Introduction to "Timæus," pp. 501-2.) It would have been extraordinary, to say the least, that Plato, who was such an admirer of Pythagoras and who certainly must have had, as an initiate, access to the most secret doctrines of the great Samian, should be ignorant of such an elementary astronomical truth.


It may be easily proved that from time immemorial Saturn or Kronos, whose ring, most positively, was discovered by the Chaldean astrologers, and whose symbolism is no "coincidence," was considered the father of Zeus, before the latter became himself the father of all the gods, and was the highest deity. He was the Bel or Baal of the Chaldeans, and originally imported among them by the Akkadians. Rawlinson insists that the latter came from Armenia; but if so, how can we account for the fact that Bel is but a Babylonian personification of the Hindu Siva, or Bala, the fire-god, the omnipotent creative, and at the same time, destroying Deity, in many senses higher than Brahma himself?


The laws of Manu are the doctrines of Plato, Philo, Zoroaster, Pythagoras, and of the Kabala. The esoterism of every religion may be solved by the latter. The kabalistic doctrine of the allegorical Father and Son, or Pathr and Logo" is identical with the groundwork of Buddhism. Moses could not reveal to the multitude the sublime secrets of religious speculation, nor the cosmogony of the universe; the whole resting upon the Hindu Illusion, a clever mask veiling the Sanctum Sanctorum, and which has misled so many theological commentators. †


When we realize that the majority of those who are so skeptical as to the magical powers possessed by the ancient philosophers, who laugh at the old theogonies and the fallacies of mythology, nevertheless have an implicit faith in the records and inspiration of their Bible, hardly daring to doubt even that monstrous absurdity that Joshua arrested the course of the sun, we may well say Amen to Godfrey Higgins' just rebuke: "When I find," he says, "learned men believing Genesis literally, which the ancients, with all their failings, had too much sense to receive except allegorically, I am tempted to doubt the reality of the improvement of the human mind." *

The doctrines they taught in the Mysteries — the source from which sprang the Old and partially the New Testament, belonged to the most advanced notions of morality, and religious revelations. While the literal meaning was abandoned to the fanaticism of the unreasoning lower classes of society, the higher ones, the majority of which consisted of Initiates, pursued their studies in the solemn silence of the temples, and their worship of the one God of Heaven.


This doctrine of God being the universal mind diffused through all things, underlies all ancient philosophies. The Buddhistic tenets which can never be better comprehended than when studying the Pythagorean philosophy — its faithful reflection — are derived from this source as well as the Brahmanical religion and early Christianity.


The whole Darwinian theory of natural selection is included in the first six chapters of the Book of Genesis. The "Man" of chapter i. is radically different from the "Adam" of chapter ii., for the former was created "male and female" — that is, bi-sexed — and in the image of God; while the latter, according to verse seven, was formed of the dust of the ground, and became "a living soul," after the Lord God "breathed into his nostrils the breath of life." Moreover, this Adam was a male being, and in verse twenty we are told that "there was not found a helpmeet for him." The Adonai, being pure spiritual entities, had no sex, or rather had both sexes united in themselves, like their Creator; and the ancients understood this so well that they represented many of their deities as of dual sex. The Biblical student must either accept this interpretation, or make the passages in the two chapters alluded to absurdly contradict each other. It was such literal acceptance of passages that warranted the atheists in covering the Mosaic account with ridicule, and it is the dead letter of the old text that begets the materialism of our age. Not only are these two races of beings thus clearly indicated in Genesis, but even a third and a fourth one are ushered before the reader in chapter iv., where the "sons of God" and the race of "giants" are spoken of.


The words witch and wizard, according to Dr. More, signify no more than a wise man or a wise woman. In the word wizard, it is plain at the very sight; and "the most plain and least operose deduction of the name witch, is from wit, whose derived adjective might be wittigh or wittich, and by contraction, afterwards witch; as the noun wit is from the verb to weet, which is, to know. So that a witch, thus far, is no more than a knowing woman; which answers exactly to the Latin word saga, according to that of Festus, sagæ dictæ anus quae multa sciunt."


This definition of the word appears to us the more plausible, as it exactly answers the evident meaning of the Slavonian-Russian names for witches and wizards. The former is called vyedma, and the latter vyèdmak, both from the verb to know, védat or vyedât; the root, moreover, being positively Sanscrit. "Veda," says Max Müller, in his Lecture on the Vedas, "means originally knowing, or knowledge. Veda is the same word which appears in Greek oi\da , I know [the digamma, vau being omitted], and in the English wise, wisdom, to wit." * Furthermore, the Sanscrit word vidma, answering to the German wir wissen, means literally "we know." It is a great pity that the eminent philologist, while giving in his lecture the Sanscrit, Greek, Gothic, Anglo-Saxon, and German comparative roots of this word, has neglected the Slavonian. Another Russian appellation for witch and wizard, the former being purely Slavonian, is znâhâr and znâharka (feminine) from the same verb znât to know. Thus Dr. More's definition of the word, given in 1678, is perfectly correct, and coincides in every particular with modern philology.


That which is now termed the superstitious verbiage and gibberish of mere heathens and savages, composed many thousands of years ago, may be found to contain the master-key to all religious systems. The cautious sentence of St. Augustine, a favorite name in Max Müller's lectures, which says that "there is no false religion which does not contain some elements of truth," may yet be triumphantly proved correct; the more so as, far from being original with the Bishop of Hippo, it was borrowed by him from the works of Ammonius Saccas, the great Alexandrian teacher.


This "god-taught" philosopher, the theodidaktos, had repeated these same words to exhaustion, in his numerous works some 140 years before Augustine. Acknowledging Jesus as "an excellent man, and the friend of God," he always maintained that his design was not to abolish the intercourse with gods and demons (spirits), but simply to purify the ancient religions; that "the religion of the multitude went hand in hand with philosophy, and with her had shared the fate of being by degrees corrupted and obscured with mere human conceits, superstition, and lies: that it ought therefore to be brought back to its original purity by purging it of this dross and expounding it upon philosophical principles; and that the whole which Christ had in view was to reinstate and restore to its primitive integrity the wisdom of the ancients."


But one thing is certainly known, and that is, that before the word philosopher was first pronounced by Pythagoras at the court of the king of the Philasians, the "secret doctrine" or wisdom was identical in every country. Therefore it is in the oldest texts — those least polluted by subsequent forgeries — that we have to look for the truth. And now that philology has possessed itself of Sanscrit texts which may be boldly affirmed to be documents by far antedating the Mosaic Bible, it is the duty of the scholars to present the world with truth, and nothing but the truth. Without regard to either skeptical or theological prejudice, they are bound to impartially examine both documents — the oldest Vedas and the Old Testament, and then decide which of the two is the original Sruti or Revelation, and which but the Smriti, which, as Max Müller shows, only means recollection or tradition.

Origen writes that the Brahmans were always famous for the wonderful cures which they performed by certain words; ‡ and in our own age we find Orioli, a learned corresponding member of the French Institute, § corroborating the statement of Origen in the third century, and that of Leonard de Vair of the sixteenth, in which the latter wrote: "There are also persons, who upon pronouncing a certain sentence — a charm, walk bare-footed on red, burning coals, and on the points of sharp knives stuck in the ground; and, once poised on them, on one toe, they will lift up in the air a heavy man or any other burden of considerable weight. They will tame wild horses likewise, and the most furious bulls, with a single word." *


This word is to be found in the Mantras of the Sanscrit Vedas, say some adepts. It is for the philologists to decide for themselves whether there is such a word in the Vedas. So far as human evidence goes, it would seem that such magic words do exist.


It appears that the reverend fathers of the Order of Jesuits have picked up many such tricks in their missionary travels. Baldinger gives them full credit for it. The tschamping — a Hindu word, from which the modern word shampooing is derived — is a well-known magical manipulation in the East Indies. The native sorcerers use it with success to the present day, and it is from them that the father Jesuits derived their wisdom.

† In Volume II., we will distinctly prove that the Old Testament mentions the worship of more than one god by the Israelites. The El-Shadi of Abraham and Jacob was not the Jehovah of Moses, or the Lord God worshipped by them for forty years in the wilderness.


The art of making linen and fine fabrics is also proved to have been one of their branches of knowledge, for the Bible speaks of it. Joseph was presented by Pharaoh with a vesture of fine linen, a golden chain, and many more things. The linen of Egypt was famous throughout the world. The mummies are all wrapped in it and the linen is beautifully preserved. Pliny speaks of a certain garment sent 600 years B.C., by King Amasis to Lindus, every single thread of which was composed of 360 minor threads twisted together. Herodotus gives us (book i.), in his account of Isis and the Mysteries performed in her honor, an idea of the beauty and "admirable softness of the linen worn by the priests." The latter wore shoes made of papyrus and garments of fine linen, because this goddess first taught the use of it; and thus, besides being called Isiaci, or priests of Isis, they were also known as Linigera, or the "linen-wearing." This linen was spun and dyed in those brilliant and gorgeous colors, the secret of which is likewise now among the lost arts. On the mummies we often find the most beautiful embroidery and bead-work ornamenting their shirts; several of such can be seen in the museum of Bulak (Cairo), and are unsurpassable in beauty; the designs are exquisite, and the labor seems immense. The elaborate and so much vaunted Gobelins tapestry, is but a gross production when compared with some of the embroidery of the ancient Egyptians. We have but to refer to Exodus to discover how skilful was the workmanship of the Israelitish pupils of the Egyptians upon their tabernacle and sacred ark. The sacerdotal vestments, with their decorations of "pomegranates and golden bells," and the thummim, or jewelled breastplate of the high priest, are described by Josephus as being of unparalleled beauty and of wonderful workmanship; and yet we find beyond doubt that the Jews adopted their rites and ceremonies, and even the special dress of their Levites, from the Egyptians. Clemens Alexandrinus acknowledges it very reluctantly, and so does Origen and other Fathers of the Church, some of whom, as a matter of course, attribute the coincidence to a clever trick of Satan in anticipation of events. Proctor, the astronomer, says in one of his books, "The remarkable breastplate worn by the Jewish high priest was derived directly from the Egyptians."


In de Bourbourg's book, Votan, the Mexican demi-god, in narrating his expedition, describes a subterranean passage, which ran underground, and terminated at the root of the heavens, adding that this passage was a snake's hole, "un agujero de culebra"; and that he was admitted to it because he was himself "a son of the snakes," or a serpent. *


This is, indeed, very suggestive; for his description of the snake's hole is that of the ancient Egyptian crypt, as above mentioned. The hierophants, moreover, of Egypt, as of Babylon, generally styled themselves the "Sons of the Serpent-god," or "Sons of the Dragon"; not because — as des Mousseaux would have his readers believe — they were the progeny of Satan-incubus, the old serpent of Eden, but because, in the Mysteries, the serpent was the symbol of WISDOM and immortality.


"The Assyrian priest bore always the name of his god," says Movers. * The Druids of the Celto-Britannic regions also called themselves snakes. "I am a Serpent, I am a Druid!" they exclaimed. The Egyptian Karnak is twin-brother to the Carnac of Bretagné, the latter Carnac meaning the serpent's mount. The Dracontia once covered the surface of the globe, and these temples were sacred to the dragon, only because it was the symbol of the sun, which, in its turn, was the symbol of the highest god — the Phoenician Elon or Elion, whom Abraham recognized as El Elion. † Besides the surname of serpents, they were called the "builders," the "architects"; for the immense grandeur of their temples and monuments was such, that even now the pulverized remains of them "frighten the mathematical calculations of our modern engineers," says Taliesin. ‡


De Bourbourg hints that the chiefs of the name of Votan, the Quetzo-Cohuatl, or serpent deity of the Mexicans, are the descendants of Ham and Canaan. "I am Hivim," they say. "Being a Hivim, I am of the great race of the Dragon (snake). I am a snake myself, for I am a Hivim." § And des Mousseaux, rejoicing because he believes himself fairly on the serpent's, or rather, devil's trail, hurries to explain: "According to the most learned commentators of our sacred books, the Chivim or Hivim, or Hevites, descend from Heth, son of Canaan, son of Ham . . . the accursed!" ??


But modern research has demonstrated, on unimpeachable evidence, that the whole genealogical table of the tenth chapter of Genesis refers to imaginary heroes, and that the closing verses of the ninth are little better than a bit of Chaldean allegory of Sisuthrus and the mythical flood, compiled and arranged to fit the Noachian frame. But, suppose the descendants of these Canaanites, "the accursed," were to resent for once the unmerited outrage? It would be an easy matter for them to reverse the tables, and answer to this fling, based on a fable, by a fact proved by archæologists and symbologists — namely, that Seth, Adam's third son, and the forefather of all Israel, the ancestor of Noah, and the progenitor of the "chosen people," is but Hermes, the god of wisdom, called also Thoth, Tat, Seth, Set, and Sat-an; and that he was, furthermore, when viewed under his bad aspect, Typhon, the Egyptian Satan, who was also Set. For the Jewish people, whose well-educated men, no more than Philo, or Josephus, the historian, regard their Mosaic books as otherwise than an allegory, such a discovery amounts to but little. But for Christians, who, like des Mousseaux, very unwisely accept the Bible narratives as literal history, the case stands very different.


As far as affiliation goes, we agree with this pious writer; and we feel every day as certain that some of the peoples of Central America will be traced back to the Phoenicians and the Mosaic Israelites, as we do that the latter will be proved to have as persistently stuck to the same idolatry — if idolatry there is — of the sun and serpent-worship, as the Mexicans. There is evidence — biblical evidence — that two of Jacob's sons, Levi and Dan, as well as Judah, married Canaanite women, and followed the worship of their wives. Of course, every Christian will protest, but the proof may be found even in the translated Bible, pruned as it now stands. The dying Jacob thus describes his sons: "Dan," says he, "shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse-heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. . . . I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord!" Of Simeon and Levi, the patriarch (or Israel) remarks that they ". . . are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly."* Now, in the original, the words "their secret," read — their SOD. † And Sod was the name for the great Mysteries of Baal, Adonis, and Bacchus who were all sun-gods and had serpents for symbols. The kabalists explain the allegory of the fiery serpents by saying, that this was the name given to the tribe of Levi, to all the Levites in short, and that Moses was the chief of the Sodales. ‡ And here is the moment to prove our statements.


Moses is mentioned by several old historians as an Egyptian priest; Manetho says he was a hierophant of Hieropolis, and a priest of the sun-god Osiris, and that his name was Osarsiph. Those moderns, who accept it as a fact that he "was learned in all the wisdom" of the Egyptians, must also submit to the right interpretation of the word wisdom, which was throughout the world known as a synonym of initiation into the secret mysteries of the Magi.


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Jesus's main teaching is that you live in an insane insincere world of the ego.  And this is the same teaching as Buddha's.

It is quite a shock to realise how mad human society is - but that is the main teaching of all traditions.

Because most humans are mad it creates a very difficult situation because any school of truth and light will eventually be destroyed and become corrupt.  Nevertheless if you don't create any school then there will be no light.

So ... it's just a difficult world, and we are creatures in transition ... the amount of corruption reflects the closeness we are to the light.

We are close but not close enough, it is a dangerous area.

The best way to deal with this, is through intensive trained spiritual practice and cut right through.

This is not a place to get comfortable, you must cross and cross now.

It is a dangerous place, do not be fooled.

On the other side you can rest.

All obeisances to the teachers who have left us at least something.


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Isis Unveiled Vol 2 by Helena Blavatski

Volume II, Theology, discusses the similarity of Christian scripture to Eastern religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, the Vedas, and Zoroastrianism. It follows the Renaissance notion of prisca theologia, in that all these religions purportedly descend from a common source; the ancient "Wisdom-Religion".


Link - https://blavatskyarchives.com/theosophypdfs/blavatsky_isis_unveiled_volume_2.pdf


The whole book puts forward the theory that all religions are derived from India and that many of the Christian teachings came from Egypt. As well as arguing for Spiritualism and the non infallibility of science. Below are some excerpts.


Isis Unveiled Vol 2


"When the uncreated, unnamed Father saw the corruption of mankind, he sent his first-born Nous, into the world, in the form of Christ, for the redemption of all who believe in him, out of the power of those who fabricated the world (the Demiurgus, and his six sons, the planetary genii). He appeared amongst men as the man, Jesus, and wrought miracles. This Christ did not die in person, but Simon the Cyrenian suffered in his stead, to whom he lent his bodily form; for the Divine Power, the Nous of the Eternal Father, is not corporeal, and cannot die. Whoso, therefore, maintains that Christ has died, is still the bondsman of ignorance; whoso denies the same, he is free, and hath understood the purpose of the Father." *


In the ideas of the Christians, Christ is but another name for Jesus. The philosophy of the Gnostics, the initiates, and hierophants understood it otherwise. The word Christos, Cristo" , like all Greek words, must be sought in its philological origin — the Sanscrit. In this latter language Kris means sacred ,* and the Hindu deity was named Chris-na (the pure or the sacred) from that. On the other hand, the Greek Christos bears several meanings, as anointed (pure oil, chrism) and others. In all languages, though the synonym of the word means pure or sacred essence, it is the first emanation of the invisible Godhead, manifesting itself tangibly in spirit. The Greek Logos, the Hebrew Messiah, the Latin Verbum, and the Hindu Viradj (the son) are identically the same; they represent an idea of collective entities — of flames detached from the one eternal centre of light.


The religion of Zarathustra, as he is always called in the Avesta, is one from which the ancient Jews have the most borrowed. In one of the Yashts, Ahuramazda, the Supreme, gives to the seer as one of his sacred names, Ahmi, "I am"; and in another place, ahmi yat ahmi, "I am that I am," as Jehovah is alleged to have given it to Moses.


Whoever has lived in India long enough to acquaint himself even superficially with the native deities, must detect the similarity between Jehovah and other gods besides Siva. As Saturn, the latter was always held in great respect by the Talmudists. He was held in reverence by the Alexandrian kabalists as the direct inspirer of the law and the prophets; one of the names of Saturn was Israel, and we will show, in time, his identity in a certain way with Abram, which Movers and others hinted at long since.

Thus it cannot be wondered at if Valentinus, Basilides, and the Ophite Gnostics placed the dwelling of their Ilda-Baoth, also a destroyer as well as a creator, in the planet Saturn; for it was he who gave the law in the wilderness and spoke through the prophets. If more proof should be required we will show it in the testimony of the canonical Bible itself. In Amos the "Lord" pours vials of wrath upon the people of Israel. He rejects their burnt-offerings and will not listen to their prayers, but inquires of Amos, "have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?" "But ye have borne the tabernacles of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god" (v. 25, 26). Who are Moloch and Chiun but Baal — Saturn — Siva, and Chiun, Kivan, the same Saturn whose star the Israelites had made to themselves? There seems no escape in this case; all these deities are identical.


"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God," says Jesus. Is this the language of a God? of the second person in the Trinity, who is identical with the First? And if this Messiah, or Holy Ghost of the Gnostic and Pagan Trinities, had come in his person, what did he mean by distinguishing between himself the "Son of man," and the Holy Ghost? "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven," he says. § And how account for the marvellous identity of this very language, with the precepts enunciated, centuries before, by the Kabalists and the "Pagan" initiates?


As to the other apostles, those whose names are prefixed to the Gospels — we cannot well believe in their veracity when we find them attributing to their Master miracles surrounded by circumstances, recorded, if not in the oldest books of India, at least in such as antedated Christianity, and in the very phraseology of the traditions. Who, in his days of simple and blind credulity, but marvelled at the touching narrative given in the Gospels according to Mark and Luke of the resurrection of the daughter of Jairus? Who has ever doubted its originality? And yet the story is copied entirely from the Hari-Purana, and is recorded among the miracles attributed to Christna.


If persons believing the Bible verse which teaches that the "Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life," reject at the same time the idea that every atom of this dust, as every particle of this "living soul," contains "God" within itself, then we pity the logic of that Christian. 

He forgets the verses which precede the one in question. God blesses equally every beast of the field and every living creature, in the water as in the air, and He endows them all with life, which is a breath of His own Spirit, and the soul of the animal. Humanity is the Adam Kadmon of the "Unknown," His microcosm, and His only representative on earth, and every man is a god on earth.


"In seven days all creatures who have offended me shall be destroyed by a deluge, but thou shalt be secured in a vessel miraculously formed; take, therefore . . . and with seven holy men, your respective wives, and pairs of all animals, enter the ark without fear; then shalt thou know God face to face, and all thy questions shall be answered." — Bagavedgitta.

"And the Lord said, I will destroy man . . . from the face of the earth. . . . But with thee will I establish my covenant. . . . Come thou and all thy house into the ark. . . . For yet seven days and I will cause it to rain upon the earth." — Genesis vi., vii.


The votaries of the ancient worship were persecuted and put to death on charges of witchcraft. The Albigenses, descendants of the Gnostics, and the Waldenses, precursors of the Protestants, were hunted and massacred under like accusations.


That of all the various nations of antiquity, there never was one which believed in a personal devil more than liberal Christians in the nineteenth century, seems hardly credible, and yet such is the sorrowful fact. Neither the Egyptians, whom Porphyry terms "the most learned nation of the world," ¶ nor Greece, its faithful copyist, were ever guilty of such a crowning absurdity. We may add at once that none of them, not even the ancient Jews, believed in hell or an eternal damnation any more than in the Devil, although our Christian churches are so liberal in dealing it out to the heathen. Wherever the word "hell" occurs in the translations of the Hebrew sacred texts, it is unfortunate. The Hebrews were ignorant of such an idea; but yet the gospels contain frequent examples of the same misunderstanding. So, when Jesus is made to say (Matthew xvi. 18) ". . . and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it," in the original text it stands "the gates of death."


Never is the word "hell" — as applied to the state of damnation, either temporary or eternal — used in any passage of the Old Testament, all hellists to the contrary, notwithstanding. "Tophet," or "the Valley of Hinnom" (Isaiah lxvi. 24) bears no such interpretation. The Greek term "Gehenna" has also quite a different meaning, as it has been proved conclusively by more than one competent writer, that "Gehenna" is identical with the Homeric Tartarus.


In fact, we have Peter himself as authority for it. In his second Epistle (ii. 2) the Apostle, in the original text, is made to say of the sinning angels that God "cast them down into Tartarus." This expression too inconveniently recalling the war of Jupiter and the Titans, was altered, and now it reads, in King James's version: "cast them down to hell."


In the Old Testament the expressions "gates of death," and the "chambers of death," simply allude to the "gates of the grave," which are specifically mentioned in the Psalms and Proverbs. Hell and its sovereign are both inventions of Christianity, coëval with its accession to power and resort to tyranny. They were hallucinations born of the nightmares of the SS. Anthonys in the desert. Before our era the ancient sages knew the "Father of Evil," and treated him no better than an ass, the chosen symbol of Typhon, "the Devil." * Sad degeneration of human brains!


Hence, we find Jesus exclaiming: "Woe unto you lawyers! For ye have taken away the key of knowledge [the Gnosis]: ye entered not in yourselves,and them that were entering ye prevented" (Luke xi. 52). The meaning here is clear. They did take the key away, and could not even profit by it themselves, for the Masorah (tradition) had become a closed book to themselves as well as to others.

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Druidism - The Ancient Faith Of Britain

Link - https://archive.org/details/druidismancientf00wrig


More relevant excerpts taken from another old book published in 1924


The sun, as the giver and vivifier of life, says Napier, in Folk Lore, was the primary god of antiquity, being worshipped by the Assyrians, Chaldeans, Phoenicians and Hebrews, under the name of Baal, or Bel, and by other nations under other names. In Hebrew the name for God is El ; in Semitic, Al ; in Chaldee, //. The Welsh name for sun is Haul ; in Maeso-Gothic it is Hil ; while Ell is the Gothic for " fire."


The priests of Baal always held a high position in the state. As the sun was the image or symbol on earth, hence all offerings made to Baal were burned or made to pass through the fire, or were presented before the sun.


Pomponius Mela tells us that the immortahty of the soul was a Druidical doctrine which the Druids only permitted to be pubHshed for poHtical reasons. " There is one thing," he said, " which they teach their disciples, which hath been made known to the common people, in order to render them more brave and fearless, namely, that souls are immortal and that there is another life after the present." They held also to the belief that communication with the departed by the living was possible and really took place.

The precise character of this afterlife has been the occasion of debate between some writers. Some have held that the Druidical belief in life after death involved the tenet of transmigration, similar to the Buddhistic, but differing from the Theosophical belief : that is to say, they believed in the possibility of the descent of the human into the animal species.


It is improbable that the religious instruction of the populace was limited absolutely to the teaching of the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. It is more likely that the Druids followed the practice of the Gymnosophists of India, the Magi of Persia, the Chaldeans of Assyria, and other priests of antiquity, by having two sets of doctrine, one being communicated to the initiated only, admitted after certain ceremonies and rites and sworn to secrecy, and the other taught freely and openly to the uninitiated.


Repentance and purification were regarded by the Druids as necessary duties. They observed one day in seven as peculiarly sanctified and made holy by the Great Creator, and they were wont to dedicate one tenth of all their substance to religious purposes.


Under a variety of names and characters the Druids acknowledged one God, the Maker of all things,and the Lord of all the earth. They taught the superintendency of Divine Providence, of moral responsibility, and of recompense after death.


According to Banier : " Although the memoirs of our Druids are extremely short, yet we can very evidently discover from them that the Druids were of Abraham's religion entirely, at least in the earliest times, and worshipped the Supreme Being in the same manner as he did, and probably according to his example, or the example of his and their common ancestors." Certainly, when the teachings of the Druids are examined— the creation of the world, the formation of man, his primitive innocence and felicity, and his fall into guilt and misery, the creation of angels, their rebellion and expulsion from heaven, the universal deluge,the final salvation of humanity, it will be seen that there was no great divergence from those teachings contained in the writings of Moses and other parts of the Jewish scriptures.


The word " Church," it is interesting to note, is by many etymologists derived from the Greek word kirkos, meaning " a circle." It appears in varied,though similar forms in different languages : Welsh, cyrch ; Scotch, kirk ; Old Enghsh, chirche, cherche, or chireche ; Anglo-Saxon, circe or cyrice ;Dutch, kerk ; Icelandic, kirkja ; Swedish, kyrka ; Danish, kirke ; German,kirche ; Old High German, chirihha.


It is said that we still retain in some old English choruses the odes which those Phallo-Solar worshippers used to chant. Thus : " Heydown, down derry down," is held to be Hai down ir dcri danno, signifying : " Come, let us haste to the oaken grove "; or, if taken from the Celtic, Dun dun daragan dun, it would mean, " To the hill, to the hill, to the oaks, to the hill." Another chant : " High troloUie, lollie loi, or lee," is said to come from the Celtic Ai tra la, la, li,"  which would be an address to the rising sun as " Hail ! early day."


Rowlands, in Mona Antiqua, bears testimony to the nature of the studies pursued : " The Druids considered nature in her largest extent ;in her systems and in her motions ; in her magnitude and powers ; in all which they seemed to cabbalize. Their philosophy was so comprehensive as to take in, with the theory of nature, astronomy, geometry, medicine, and natural magic, and all this upon the corpuscularian hypothesis."


By some writers the Druids are credited with a knowledge of the telescope, though this opinion is based mainly upon the statement of Diodorus Siculus, who says that in an island west of Celtae the Druids brought the sun and moon near to them. Hecatasus, however, informs us that they taught the existence of the lunar mountains. The fact that the Milky Way consisted of small stars was known to the ancients is often adduced in support of the claim to the antiquity of the telescope.


It is very clear, from the oldest historical documents, that the early Welsh Christians, from the middle of the first to the middle of the fifth century, always met for religious worship in the open air.


The magicians and sorcerers whom Pharaoh and Nebuchadnezzar summoned to their aid are referred to in the Gaelic Bible as Draoitho, Druids, the same name as is given to the wise men who are mentioned in the New Testament as travelling from the East to Bethlehem. The word Druid in Celtic signifies " a wizard," and the translators of the New Testament into that language have accordingly rendered the expression " Simon Magus " as " Simon the Druid."


Every Druid carried a wand. The wand of the British Druids was made from oak, but that of the Irish Druids was made from yew. At the present day, in some Roman Catholic churches, it is a practice, when the faithful approach the confessional, for them to receive a touch on the head from a wand which the priest holds in his hand. In this way also the priests of Isis blessed and exorcised.


It is interesting to note that one of the many titles by which the Druids were formerly known was Maysons, or Men of May.




The Druidical religion and philosophy were so like to the Pythagorean system that some writers have arrived at the conclusion that the one was borrowed from the other, but the borrower is assumed generally to be Pythagoras, and not the Druids. Dr. Abraham Rees, in his Cyclopaedia,is of opinion that Pythagoras himself learned and adopted some of the opinions of the Bards, and imparted to these some of his own thoughts and discoveries. Milton states that : " The studies of learning in the deepest sciences have been so eminent among us that writers of good antiquity have been persuaded that even the school of Pythagoras and the Persian wisdom took beginning from the philosophy of this island."


Borlase, in his Antiquities of Cornwall, expressed the belief that long before Greece could boast of her wise men, Britain was famous for learning, philosophy, and wisdom, and that the Greek philosophers were really beholden to our Bards whom they copied in many particulars.




The points of resemblance between Druidism and Brahmanism are very striking. In ancient times, according to Brahmanical lore, a great intercourse existed between India and the countries in the West, and the British Isles are said to have been described in the Puranas as Breta sfhan, or " The Place of Religious Duty."


Faber, in his Cabiri, gives expression to the opinion that the undoubted resemblance which existed between Brahmanism and Druidism originated probably from the Asiatic extraction of the Druids. The various Japhetic tribes which peopled Europe all came out of the widely-extended regions of Tartary ; and many of them, among whom were doubtless the Celtic Druids, came from the neighbourhood of the Indian Caucasus. The Brahmans made it a rule never to reveal to the uninitiated the secret doctrine of their religion and, in like manner, the Druids concealed from strangers and the uninitiated, even of their own country, the sacred mysteries of their religion. There was throughout India a veneration for the serpent,and amongst the Druids there was a superstitious reverence for the Anguinum, or serpents' egg, and many of their temples were constructed in serpentine form. The Druids regarded it as unlawful to eat ducks, hens, and other winged animals. The Brahmans, of course, looked upon the kilhng of any live animal as unlawful and abstained from eating anything that had been killed. The Brahmans carried a sacred staff and a consecrated wand or magic rod was carried by every Druid as a sign of his initiation. Brahma is generally represented as holding in his hand a wheel or circle, and the circle was regarded by the Druids as a symbol both of the sun and of eternity. Each had a veneration for white horses and for vast pyramidical heaps of stones. The Indian stone temples were, for the most part, uncovered or in the open, like Stonehenge, Abury and many other sites. Each had solemn rites of initiation ; in each religion the priests wore tiaras and white robes, not unlike the Persian Mithra. Just as the Brahmans were the most venerated caste in India, so the Druids were regarded as superior even to the nobility of Britain. Belief in the immortality of the soul was the basic article in each creed, combined in both with the belief in transmigration. Each had severities of discipline and penitential exercises.

Maurice is of the opinion that " it is impossible to doubt that at some remote period the two orders were united, or, at least, were educated in the same grand school with the Magi of Persia and the seers of Babylon," while Sir W. Jones contends that a race of Brahmans anciently sat on the throne of Persia. Barrow, in Volume II. of Asiatic Researches, says : "' That the Druids were Brahmans is beyond the least shadow of a doubt, but that they were all murdered and their sciences lost, is out of all bounds of probability : it is much more likely that they turned schoolmasters. Freemasons, and fortune-tellers ; and, in this way, part of their sciences might easily descend to posterity, as we find they have done."


There is also a striking resemblance between Druidism and Judaism. Not only did each religion inculcate a belief in a Supreme Being, but the name given to that Supreme by each is akin. The Jewish name for the Supreme Being, Jehovah, means " The Self-Existent," or, to adopt the term employed by Maimonides, " The Eternal." Among the Druids, Bel was the name given to the Supreme, the meaning of which is " He that is." The name Ptah, also, it may be pointed out, means " I am all that has been, is, or shall be." 

The Hebrews were accustomed to worship the Eternal under the name of Baal. Thus we read in Hosea ii., 15 : "And it shall be at that day, saith the Lord, that thou shalt call me Ishi, and shalt call me no more Baal." This was because the Israelites had become idolaters and served other deities under the name of Ballim.


Each possessed a priest vested with supreme authority, and had three classes or orders of sacred men. The Jews had their priests or judges, prophets, and scribes, while among the adherents of the Druidical faith there were the Druids, Bards, and Vates. Each measured time by night and day. Grove worship was common to both Israelite and Druid, and it is clear from the many references to the oak in the Old Testament that it was regarded as a sacred tree. The same Hebrew word which signifies " oak " also means " an oath," and the root of this word is " mighty," or " strong," the root of the name given to the Deity in many languages. The angel (or messenger) of the Eternal came and sat under the oak at Ophrah when sent to deliver a message to Gideon (Judges vi., 11). A similar incident is recorded in I. Kings xiii., 14. in Ezekiel vi., 13, and Hosea iv., 13, reference is made to the practice of offering up incense under the oak. It was at the oak of Moreh (Genesis xii., 6, R.V.) that the Eternal appeared to Abram, and it was there that Abram built an altar. Joshua (xxiv., 26) wrote particulars of the covenant in a book of the law of God and took a great stone and set it up under an oak tree, by the sanctuary of the Eternal.


The affinity between Druidism and the religion of the Persians is also strongly marked. The Druids held that the Supreme Being was too exalted to be confined within temples made with hands. Their open-air temples were circular in form, and in their worship they made use of the circle to intimate that God was to be found in every direction. Cyrus, in Xenophon, sacrifices to Jupiter, the sun, and the rest of the gods, upon the summits of mountains, " as the Persians were wont to sacrifice." The Persians taught that the celestial expanse was their Jupiter, whom they worshipped in the open air. In like manner to the Druids, the Persians forbade the introduction of images into their temples, for they held that the Supreme was too refined to be represented by any figure, a belief also taught by Mohammed and held firmly by all Moslems to the present day.


A similarity also existed, both in belief and practice, between Druidism and the religion of the Phoenicians. Pinkarton, in his Enquiry into the History of Scotland, says that Druidism was palpably Phoenician, and Sammes remarks that " the customs, religion, idols, offices, and dignities of the ancient Britons are all clearly Phoenician."


It was the custom among many ancient peoples to erect a stone in commemoration or remembrance of any benefit received at the hands of the Supreme. Such practice was particularly observed among the Jews. Jacob, after his wonderful vision, " rose up early in the morning and took the stone that he had put for his pillow and set it up as a pillar and poured oil upon the top of it " (Genesis xxxviii., i8). He did the same thing when he entered into a covenant with Laban (Genesis xxxi., 45), and when he is said to have talked with God at Bethel (Genesis xxxv., 14). Joshua built at Gilgal (a word which means a circle) a temple composed of twelve stones, and when he had assembled the children of Israel within this temple he told them that when their children should ask them the meaning of the stones they were to make answer that it was the acknowledgment of the power of the Eternal. The custom of venerating baetyla, or
consecrated stones, and worshipping under oaks was diffused over both hemispheres in the remotest periods. The existence of stone monuments, whose antiquity is undoubted by archaeologists, is proof that learning and culture existed in Britain long prior to the Roman invasion, before even the foundation of Rome.


It has been a practice from time immemorial to build temples in the form of crosses. The crux ansata of the Egyptians was the hieroglyphic of life. A serpent joined to the cross symbolises the immortality of the soul. The close affinity between the doctrines of the newly-established Christian faith, as taught by the early missionaries, and the beliefs of Druidism, will warrant the assertions of several writers that the followers of the doctrines of the old religion were without difficulty persuaded to embrace Christianity. It was a question really of merging of beliefs, rather than an entire change of faith. O'Donovan, in his Annals oj the Four Masters, says : " Nothing is clearer than that Patrick engrafted Christianity on the
pagan superstition with so much skll that he won the people over to the Christian religion before they understood the exact difference between the two systems of belief, and much of this half-Pagan, half-Christian religion will be found, not only in the Irish stories of the Middle Ages, but in the superstitions of the peasantry of the present day." The cross, as a symbol, was known to and revered by the Druids, and their mode of consecrating an oak tree was first to fasten a cross beam upon it if the two main horizontal arms were not sufficiently prominent. Upon this right branch they cut in the bark,
in fair characters, the word " Hesus "; upon the middle or upright stem the word " Taramis " ; and upon the left branch the word "Belenus."


Over all, and above the branching out of the arms, they inscribed the word " Thau " (see Ezekiel ix., 4), and, according to Schedius, " This tree so inscribed, they make their Kebla in the grove cathedral, or summer church, towards which they direct their faces in the offices of religion, as to the ambre-stone or the cove in the temple of Abury, like as the Christians do to any svmbol or picture at the altar." St. Columb, when in Deacon's Orders, is said to have placed himself under the instruction of an aged Bard named Gemman. A miracle wrought by St. Brigit in the production of butter is given as the cause of her Druidical master becoming a Christian. Richards, in his Poems Lyric and Pastoral, published in 1794, says
in the preface :
" The patriarchal religion of ancient Britain, called Druidism, but by the Welsh most commonlv called Barddas, Bardism, although they speak of Dirwydditacth, Druidism, is no more inimical to Christianity than the religion of Noah, Job, or Abraham ; it has never, as some imagine, been quite extinct in Britain ; the Welsh Bards have, through all ages down to the present, kept it alive. There is in my possession a manuscript synopsis of it by Llewellyn Sim, a Bard, written in the year 1560; its beliefs are corroborated by innumerable notices and allusions in our Bardic manuscripts of every age up to Taliesin in the sixth century, whose poems exhibit a complete system of Druidism. By these (undoubted authentic) writings it will appear that the ancient British Christianity was strongly tinctured with Druidism. The old Welsh Bards kept up a perpetual war with the Church of Rome and therefore experienced much persecution. Narrow understandings might conceive that they were the less Christian for having been Druids. The doctrine of the metempsychosis is that which of all others most clearly vindicated the ways of God to man. It is safely countenanced by many passages in the New Testament and was believed in by many of the primitive Christians and the Essenes amongst the Jews."


Dr. Stukeley boldly asserted that Druidism and Christianity were identical. It is clear that Christianity assimilated Druidism to a great extent, but it is difficult to say how much the newer faith was indebted to the older religion. There is no evidence that the Druidical Britons gave other than a welcome, and, it may be, a hearty welcome to the exponents of the newer creed : in fact, Christian historians state that the Britons embraced the new teachings with more alacrity than any other nation. There is, indeed, a legend to the effect that Edwin was persuaded to embrace the Christian faith by Corfe, the chief of the Druids. At that time, also, it must be remembered, the Christian religion had not developed many of the
corruptions and sacerdotal elements which have afflicted it in later times.

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So, so far, the theory goes that the Christians, by which I mean the Catholics because according to them as Jesus said to Peter he will build his church on his rock,and Peter then went to Rome and was crucified as a martyr thus establishing the true church and true Christianity. The charge is that the Christian church was based upon Pagan origins and practices, and merely they incorporated Paganism into the christian church. And that the mythology is largely based on Sun worship. Of course Paganism is associated with Heathenism which is associated with idolotary and devil worship. Baal being the supreme diety in that mythology i.e Baal is the Devil.


According to many writers going back centuries, as its even raised its head among the church fathers, Christianity is based on Paganism which we find is based on ancient doctrines which spread from the East, i.e through Hinduism and then Buddhism and from the magi in Persia.


However the ancient doctrine seems to be traced back to the Druids and their system stemming from Europe and the British Isles. The standing stones in Orkney are said to have been built before the pyramids and Britain was connected to mainland Europe in the distant past, hence the knowledge of Astronomy, Philosophy and Sun worship may have been widespread in Europe and then spread to the East. They've just put forward the theory that Stonehenge was originally built in Wales and was moved to Glastonbury at a later date, some 500 years later. Hence pushing its origin further back.


IIRC Britain is said to mean 'Land of the Covenant in 'Empire Of The City'' and I took this additional info from the web -


'The Hebrew Meaning of British and Related Words (11 March, 2014, 9 Adar-2, 5774)

The word Brit-Ish in Hebrew means "Covenant-Man". It is related to the expression Brit-Am meaning Covenant of the People (Isaiah 42:6, 49:8). These verses refer to the Ten Tribes in their Places of Exile. They help identify the British Isles as a major center of the Lost Ten Tribes.'


Link - https://hebrewnations.com/articles/biblical-proof/ba/brit-ish.html

Even Jesus is said to have been here to Britain with his uncle Joseph of Arimathea and there's a legend that after the crucifixion Joseph returned to England with a staff and upon planting this staff in the ground it took root and a bush grew. Another variation of the story -


Legend has it that Joseph sailed around Land's End at the southern tip of England with the intent of catching up with old business acquaintances in the lead and tin mines. They ran aground in the Glastonbury marshes. Once again, it is reported that after climbing a nearby hill to survey the countryside, they were exhausted and Joseph thrust into the ground a staff made from the 'Holy Crown of Thorns' worn by Christ. He announced that he and his traveling companions were all weary. It is legendary that the thorn staff immediately took root and the thorn bush can still be seen today on 'Wearyall Hill.'


Link - https://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/joseph-of-arimathea-faq.htm

So Religion or rather the Ancient doctrines or mysteries, were possibly originally derived from the Phoenicians, but spread from the Druids in Europe, which included the British Isles, to the Egyptians and Hindu's and Persians, into Babylon and the mystery schools then into Judaism and to the Greeks. Jesus appeared, studied and taught these doctrines but his example was co-opted and morphed into and repackaged as Christianity and bought back to Europe to Rome. Where Rome has then used it to demonize the sources of its knowledge and assume power and amass wealth and use it as a system to control. Meanwhile adherents to the ancient system went underground into the likes of the Cathars, Templars, Freemasons, Rosiecrucions, Sufi's, Yogi's and Magi etc. and the knowledge re-emerged with the Theosophists of the 18th/19th century. Hence Christianity is just another incarnation of ancient knowledge.


The doctrine is that you have a soul which has its own stages of evolution, life being one of many, and you will ascend on to one of many possible heavens. The Sun is God's emblem or symbol of God's power and the maxim 'as above so below' permeates through all systems of religion and philosophy. Everything has within it a part of the divine. The central teaching to Christians and in Judaism is 'treat others as you wish yourself to be treated' and if we all did this it would be heaven on earth.

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