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BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION
BABYLON MYSTERY RELIGION AND ROMAN CATHOLICISM

All Roads Lead to Babylon   

Ralph Woodrow, in his book, Babylon Mystery Religion (first published in 1966, now out of print), clearly traces the practices and teachings of ancient Babylon, and their modern counterparts in the Roman Catholic Church and her Protestant daughters.  Babylonian ideas are by no means isolated to professing Christianity.  Since nominal Christianity is so permeated with false doctrines from Babylon, we should carefully study this problem, so as to avoid Babylonianism.  Today, there is an almost irresistible tide within Christianity to turn aside to ideas of Babylon and Catholicism.  All too many believers are taking one of the many roads to Rome and Babylon.  Here is a summary of Woodrow’s excellent book, Babylon Mystery Religion.

Link - https://www.truebibleteaching.com/true-bible-teaching-about-gods-purpose/340-babylon-mystery-religion.html

 

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Hi @pi3141   Nothing wrong with being fascinated with religions!  It is truly fascinating.  🙂   I started searching for ways to become “more human” because let’s face it:  the modern

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I find religions fascinating, the books we have are some of the oldest written records. They offer an insight into early psychology and most importantly of all they are said to contain wisdom from God

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The Babylon Connection? by Ralph Woodrow

 

Haven't read it yet but this is the book where the author refutes his earlier work. Posting for balance and point of view.

 

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The Babylon Connection?

 

The Babylon Connection? shows that the claims about Babylonian origins often lack connection, takes a closer look at the oft-quoted The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop, and provides some much needed clarification on this subject. Was Nimrod a deformed, ugly black man, married to Semiramis, a beautiful white woman with blue eyes and blond hair? Was Semiramis the originator of Soprano singing and priestly celibacy? Was she the mother of Tammuz? Is the cross a symbol of Tammuz? Are round communion wafers sun-symbols? Are candles, black clergy garments, the letters I.H.S., the fish symbol, halos, and church steeples of pagan origin? Does the Pope wear a crown with 666 on it? Was the papal mitre copied from the fishhead of Dagon? Does the Book of Revelation describe the Roman Catholic Church as "Mystery Babylon"?

 

Can't find a download for the book nor can I find a good review of it yet, although there was this review on Amazon -

 

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What Woodrow has understood (and I also) is that facts must be allowed to speak for themselves. The essence of the entire message presented in this book is for me found in this sentence from the book:

"Hislop builds on some vague similarity, forming conclusions that are not verified by the source material he cites" P.93 This is found to be the case over and over. Hence the question mark at the end of the title. Woodrow is asking in essence "where is the connection? There are some vague similarities, but you need more than that to win the case.

The conclusion is obvious for anyone looking. The "evidence" that Hislop provides in "The Two Babylons" would not, I believe, stand up in a court of law. It would be laughed out of the courtroom.

I do have a few issue with Woodrow's conclusions though, and this is where the conspiracy theorists are getting him. I do agree with his basic premise which an example of could be given as thus: If it was discovered that an ancient tribe of cannibals used to brush there teeth in worship to their evil deity, that does not mean that brushing your teeth is therefore equal to idolatry. I think anyone would agree with this. It is also ludicrous to claim that because people are committing idolatry who put a tree in their house at Christmas time. However, we are not talking about something simple like brushing our teeth. We're talking about how we are to worship the Lord.

 

 

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Matthew 19 :  The Rich and the Kingdom of God

16Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18“Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”

20“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

27Peter answered him, “We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?”

28Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

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Why do stupid Christians but so much faith and effort into worshipping the Cross?

Why ... because they are right.

They know that everybody in this world is simply going to die and shut up, and never be heard of again ... but they also know about Consciousness and about God, and that if they merge with God and become Conscious then they will literally not die.

Of course in human society, which is a society of monkeys, this is exceptionally hard as the beastly idiotic destruction never ends.  Humans are masters at murder exploitation blaming others ignorant simple reality and lying.  They hurt each other constantly, they create ugly and horrific situations so that nobody can escape.  Nobody escape Earth, they lose their chance to live a real life and are buried meaninglessly with their chiildren and their iPhones.

It's a battlefield and everybody loses.

Except the poor stupid Christians who kneel and cling t their Cross and even as the wolves circles them saying all manner of dark and lying things about them ... they hold the Cross and they pray, and yes ... as they merge with God they no longer need this body to live.

As one teacher says, the people here are like glow-worms they make a lot of bright lights noise and whatever, but when the dawn comes they are all gone.

 

The Cross as a symbol is a highly accurate diagram of the human soul that can be actualized within the human body, it shows the decending central channel (that is why it is longer at the bottom it descends - this is correct) and the horizontal channel.   This makes the Christian Church quite close to Taoism, Taoism focussed on the Central Channel.

Plus having the symbol of the dying and suffering man on the Cross it presents the most important practical fact about our lives here ... that you will be hunted to death by the mechanical people that don't know the difference between living and dying, and you must separate from them to become real, to become your self.  So it strengthens your resolve, which will very much be tested.

I have seen old women who cannot walk so well come into the Church on their own, when it's empty, and kneel at the front with their arms outstretched and a rosary in their hands and pray.

And I am glad that I will be spending time with people like that, stupid faithful Christians, then with most people ... I am glad because if I was reborn on another planet like this what would be the point.

And yes, when dawn comes she will still live, and most people will be gone and will not return.

To be honest this world is so disturbing in every way it is not easy to be spiritual ... I only entered the path due to severe things that happened to me over many many years until I only had the choice of death or the path.  I did not listen the first time, I did not listen the second time.  Nor many times after that.  But at some point I did listen.

 

Of course if you think life's a laugh and don't care ... well it's all just a funny story !!!  A round of drinks please !!!  You have to laugh.  The whole situation is a bit weird a bit funny and a bit sad.

 

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As for Jesus' statements about a rich man entering the gates of heaven ... and the rest of it ... all these things to be the result of spiritual practice, and not the other way round.  In other words, if you do spiritual practice then you shall become as he says, sincere and good.  Otherwise being sincere and good may not really result in much.  It is good to live a simple honest life but if you are put into the ground at the end of it, what is the point.

What is missing in all this is the spiritual practices that happen in a church.

Personally I have been not wishing to waste time so sought out more and more profound and rapid spiritual practices.  In my opinion this world is so disturbed one must try to make rapid intensive progress, because an ordinary well lived life is very difficult here.

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Whilst Christianity has undoubtedly borrowed from other religions I believe this doesn't detract from the message of Christ. It's Jesus teachings that are important not how the story was changed to convert Pagan religions. I find it interesting that at a time where the words of Jesus should guide us through that Christianity above any other religion is under scrutiny yet Jesus's teaching are more relevant than ever. Maybe that is why there are those that seek to destroy the foundations of Christianity, to prevent his words from being taught, even to deny his very existence. Yeshau is sometimes referred to as Yeshu an acronym for "yimakh shemo ve zikhro” which means, “May his name and memory be obliterated”.

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Not one for Religious texts. A man ate an apple and all that. I do like a bit of Religious art, though. And I sometimes wonder if the artists commissioned by the church would've gone on to produce equally brilliant, non Religious art without such inspiration. I mean, Michelangelo might well have still created David. He just would've been called Rodney, or Andy instead.

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21 hours ago, Diesel said:

Whilst Christianity has undoubtedly borrowed from other religions I believe this doesn't detract from the message of Christ. It's Jesus teachings that are important not how the story was changed to convert pagan religions.

 

Yes I agree. The message is still in there, sermon on the mount springs to mind.

 

I read when the Druids heard of Jesus they were happy to convert and encouraged the building of churches on their sacred groves.

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Hi @pi3141

 

Nothing wrong with being fascinated with religions!  It is truly fascinating.  🙂
 

I started searching for ways to become “more human” because let’s face it:  the modern world is full of every possible distraction from being a human rather than programmed half animal half machine.  Modern western society is totally divorced from the natural rhythms of life, which connect us to the world.  We are totally divorced from this!

 

The sun’s movements, rhythms, with respect to our earth, and the other influential planets is something humans lived by and with good reason!  These forces didn’t just disappear because we chose to ignore them and worship a new God: “Science.”

 

“Science,” not the practice of, but the infiltration of Science as the be all end all has corrupted people’s minds and created a blind trust without understanding.  For instance one could just throw out “Big Bang Theory” or “String Theory” and people will not know a thing about how they work, and how they are tested, do not actually practice scientific method, yet they take it all for fact because, well, “Science!”

 

How dangerous and basically explains the fall into technocracy with a few degenerated engineers at the center of a nihilistic society. 

 

Nihilism:  the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless, is what you see behind all the attacks on Christianity and other religions.  Because the state, the technocracy cannot control a religious population.  This is what is behind the persecution of Christians and Muslims in China.  The CCP seeks to become God. 

 

Back in the West, to humor the population they throw in some vague “spirituality” (buzzwords, we are all just holograms, dude).  That is just window dressing for nihilism.  

 

So all this makes it easy to pick apart, theorize about, and discredit what we don’t understand.  

 

I’m obsessed with this book:  The Secret History of the World by Mark Booth.  

I highly recommend it!  You are bright, and you will appreciate it as you breeze through the concepts. 

 

Some quotes:

 

“Today’s church preaches an extreme monotheism.  This is perhaps partly because of the dominance of science.  In science-friendly Christianity, God has been reduced to an undifferentiated and undetectable immanence in the universe, and spirituality is nothing more than a vague and fuzzy feeling of at-oneness with this immanence.”

 

“One of the stupid beliefs we are fond of attributing to the ancients is that they worshipped the sun, as if they believed the physical object a sentient being.  Robert Temple’s commentary on key texts by Aristotle, Strabo, and others shows they saw the sun as a sort of lens through which the spiritual influence of a god rayed from the spiritual into the earthly realm.”

 

“The historical reality is that Christianity has roots in older religions of the region in which it arose and all these were polytheistic and astronomical.  The beliefs of early Christians reflected this.  For them spirituality meant commerce with actual spirits.”

 

Yes, the Sun, Venus, Saturn, all had influence on Christianity and that is okay!  It does not equal evil.  The numbers, the movements of the planets, Jesus’ teachings... all these are gifts that connect us back with reality and stand back and marvel!

 

In the past I knelt under a pomegranate tree and read Egyptian prayers to the sun.  I held my hands out in front of me as they did and I worshipped.  I am not ashamed of this, just as I am not ashamed that Jesus is considered to be a greater incarnation of the Sun God and many Christians hold their hands out in praise just as the ancients did.  I pray to Jesus and hear him and am better for it.  I’m no dummy either.  Worshipping what is greater than oneself and having humility makes more logical sense than this madness all around.  

 

We do not have to reinvent the wheel of spirituality.  Many blueprints have been handed down to us and thank God(s) because without them look at this shit show before us.  We are not capable of “figuring it out” on our own.  Believe me I have tried.  We are just not that awesome and not that great, despite what nihilistic, “scientific” society would have us believe. 

 

 

 

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In the name of the Father : I recall and sense the Original Spirit of LIfe

And of the Son : The reflections of that Spirit shines in me and overcomes the world

And of the Holy Ghost : That bridges heaven and earth

Amen : Ignite Consciousness

 

 

... this is not prayer it is direct invokation ...

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The prayer of the Lord is a practice

Our father who art in Heaven I reach into the ocean of Conscious which is the origin of all

Hallowed by thy name Your peace truth and Light shines as legend

Thy Kingdom come : Your light flows into me here and now

Thy Will be done : May only Light stand where I once was

On Earth as It is In Heaven : Through me shall Light flow into this plane

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Pagan practice has limitations ... it deals with various subconscious powers but it has not illuminated Consciousness. 

Consciousness is One.  Therefore there is only 1 God.

Consciousness is the ruler of this plane and if you can illuminate Consciousness you can see Objectively meaning from the eyes of the centre of the Hurricane, then things really change and you can exit the human bondage ... although this also takes time as Consciousness must percolate through all the layers of your being post stabilisation.

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On 9/6/2020 at 12:34 AM, Michi713 said:

Hi @pi3141

 

Nothing wrong with being fascinated with religions!  It is truly fascinating.  🙂

 

Great post Michi thanks.

 

Thanks for pointing out that the ancients viewed the sun as something of an emmanence (not a word it seems but hopefully you get the point) of God - its a good point and helps explain something.

 

In the Gnostic gospels Jesus says 'lift a rock and you'll find me there, split a piece of wood in two and I will appear' Well, if you lift a rock what appears in the space where the rock was? Sunlight! Split a piece of wood in two and sunlight will appear between the two pieces. Therefore Jesus himself is identifying himself as the Sun! Why would he do that? Well there's a couple of explanations in my mind but one explanation is this - Jesus is the SON of God, therefore if he is also identifying the SUN of God, then God must be that which created the man and the Sun (and the planets) hence Jesus' father, God, is the great creator of the universe and Jesus as his son is portraying himself as the Sun in order to teach the lesson.

 

Maybe Jesus was taking on the personification of the Sun because he knew it was integral to the way people worshiped back then and he was saying, if you follow the sun, follow me instead, put down your pagan myths and follow me. It may have been a way of unifying worship. Either that or Jesus of the Gnostic gospels is actually Lucifer and we're being tricked.

 

I had to go and check my book library for that Secret History Of The World - I've got it, only mine is authored under the name is Jonathan Black not Mark Booth, seems he released the book under both names. So I've read it. The theory about energy condensing into matter at the beginning is all I can remember now!

 

My problem is I've lost my memory and concentration, I had a Psychotic breakdown 4 years ago - thought I was a Son of God, thought I could talk to dead people, voices in my head, built a huge cross in my garage to keep the devil out, thought there was a spiritual ladder in my garden which reached to the heavens, I went crazy for a week, the whole nine yards. Anyway, since then, due to the medication my memory and concentration have been useless so I struggle nowadays. From the quotes you mention maybe I should re-read that book - I'm at a stage in recovery now where I can read a book and retain the information for more than a day! So to celebrate in the last few months I've read a few books! But I'm not reading anything at the moment so I may have to dig that one out again.

 

I have no problem with Jesus being as representation of the Sun as a means of conveying knowledge, thats fine, it just needs to be put out in the open and talked about, admitted, learnt about and then we can move on and see what else Jesus' teachings tell us. So we know he's the Sun and some of the verses in the Gospels relate to the Sun's movements through the Zodiac. We know also that Jesus is a reinterpretation of older Sun Gods, thats fine to, its just another layer of knowledge encoded in the book, lets talk about it, explain why it is so, then move on.

 

So my question would be what else is encoded in there?

 

Sir Isaac Newton believed there was more.

 

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English physicist and mathematician Isaac Newton produced many works that would now be classified as occult studies. These works explored chronology, alchemy, and Biblical interpretation (especially of the Apocalypse). Newton's scientific work may have been of lesser personal importance to him, as he placed emphasis on rediscovering the occult wisdom of the ancients. In this sense, some historians, including economist John Maynard Keynes, believe that any reference to a "Newtonian Worldview" as being purely mechanical in nature is somewhat inaccurate.[1] Historical research on Newton's occult studies in relation to his science have also been used to challenge the disenchantment narrative within critical theory.[2]

After purchasing and studying Newton's alchemical works, Keynes, for example, opined in 1942 at the tercentenary of his birth that "Newton was not the first of the age of reason, he was the last of the magicians."

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In a manuscript from 1704, Newton describes his attempts to extract scientific information from the Bible and estimates that the world would end no earlier than 2060. In predicting this, he said, "This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."[22]

 Newton felt that just as the writings of ancient philosophers, scholars, and Biblical figures contained within them unknown sacred wisdom, the same was true of their architecture. He believed that these men had hidden their knowledge in a complex code of symbolic and mathematical language that, when deciphered, would reveal an unknown knowledge of how nature works.[24]

Link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies

 

 

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In the Gnostic gospels Jesus says 'lift a rock and you'll find me there, split a piece of wood in two and I will appear' Well, if you lift a rock what appears in the space where the rock was? Sunlight! Split a piece of wood in two and sunlight will appear between the two pieces. Therefore Jesus himself is identifying himself as the Sun! Why would he do that? Well there's a couple of explanations in my mind but one explanation is this - Jesus is the SON of God, therefore if he is also identifying the SUN of God, then God must be that which created the man and the Sun (and the planets) hence Jesus' father, God, is the great creator of the universe and Jesus as his son is portraying himself as the Sun in order to teach the lesson.

 

 

 

 

 

So close.....yet so far.

 

Want any help? A spoiler free clue?

 

Let me think....how can I put it?

 

It's Elementary my dear Pi3141.

 

If you find something which you can no longer slice, then you have found something which carries the energy of the universe within itself.

 

Otherwise the universe would spill out of itself and that would be ridiculous.

 

Also if you have found something you cannot accurately measure with 3d dimensional tools, then you have found something which comes from another dimension.

 

 

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So close.....yet so far.

 

Want any help? A spoiler free clue?

 

 🙂 Yes! Go on then, give us a clue, what I gave was my own interpretation. Perhaps I should have given the whole quote - 

 

'I am the light above all living things, lift a rock and you shall find me..'

 

What is the light above all living things?

 

I say the Sun!

 

Whats your interpretation of it?

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 🙂 Yes! Go on then, give us a clue, what I gave was my own interpretation. Perhaps I should have given the whole quote - 

 

'I am the light above all living things, lift a rock and you shall find me..'

 

What is the light above all living things?

 

I say the Sun!

 

Whats your interpretation of it?

 

Well.....the sun yes.... but not just our sun, but all the suns...... their energy source is the same......

 

But where does all that energy come from?

 

What is you soul made of? And what happens when you die? 

 

What is the true home of the soul's energy? What is the true home of all energy?

 

 

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Gospel of Thomas
 

(74) He said:

    "Lord, there are many around the well, but there is nothing in the <well>."

(75) Jesus says:

    "Many are standing before the door, but it is the solitary ones who will enter the wedding hall."

(76) Jesus says:

    (1) "The kingdom of the Father is like a merchant who had merchandise and found a pearl.
    (2) That merchant is prudent. He sold the goods (and) bought for himself the pearl alone.
    (3) You too look for his treasure, which does not perish, (and) which stays where no moth can reach it to eat it, and no worm destroys it."

(77) Jesus says:

    (1) "I am the light that is over all. I am the All.
    The All came forth out of me. And to me the All has come."
    (2) "Split a piece of wood – I am there.
    (3) Lift the stone, and you will find me there."

(78) Jesus says:

    (1) "Why did you go out to the countryside? To see a reed shaken by the wind,
    (2) and to see a person dressed in soft clothing [like your] kings and your great/powerful persons?
    (3) They are dressed in soft clothing and will not be able to recognize the truth."

(79)

    (1) A woman in the crowd said to him: "Hail to the womb that carried you and to the breasts that fed you."
    (2) He said to [her]: "Hail to those who have heard the word of the Father (and) have truly kept it.
    (3) For there will be days when you will say: ‘Hail to the womb that has not conceived and to the breasts that have not given milk.’"

 

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Eternity and omnipresence is what happens when you travel at the speed of light.

 

God is eternal, timeless and omniprescent.

 

Everything that happens in this universe, all the deeds of your life are recorded in the Book of Life.

 

But what is the Book of Life?

 

https://www.truthspoon.com/p/seeing-in-right-light.html

 

Seeing in the Right Light.

 
 
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The Double-Slit experiment, first performed in 1801 by Thomas Young is perhaps THE scientific experiment which represents the very beginning of the modern scientific era. A warm welcome and introduction to the present age of Light. It is the simplest and most incredible experiment carried out in science because it directly tries to analyse light and discovers a new universe with new-rules. This experiment really introduced the 4th dimension into classical 3d science, and it was not until 100 years later that Max Planck coined the term ‘quanta’ as a way to describe a quantity or discrete unit of light, and ever since science has been puzzling and scratching its head to try to figure out just what a quanta or light is anyway without much progress since this revelation at the dawn of the 20th century. 

The Double-Slit experiment is one of the simplest scientific experiments ever devised: it requires only two things: some light and an impermeable sheet with two slits in it. And that’s it. What the experiment lacks in complexity it has more than compensated for by the astonishing results which it has yielded. In fact, incredibly, the Double-Slit experiment itself, is in itself, a 4 dimensional experiment, that is mutable, it is an experiment which exists and is repeatable and stable in the scientific sense, but infinitely changeable and although devised with a certain hypothesis and outcome in mind, which it delivered, can also give different and contrasting results, depending on how the experiment is performed.

It is an experiment which has mutated and which can give DIFFERENT and contradictory results depending on the circumstances and details of the experiment. For instance, Thomas Young performed the experiment to analyse the nature of light which he suspected was a kind of wave. The supposed light ‘waves’ were duly produced by the ‘interference’ patterns produced when the light ‘waves’ went through the two slits, proving once and for all that light was indeed a ‘wave’.

However it was not until the invention of the cathode ray that single electrons could be fired through the double slits and would inexplicably lead to the same characteristic ‘wave’ diffraction patterns which Young had produced nearly a century before. So indeed it was the case with every particle they subsequently sent through the slits. Not only that but the dramatic conclusion reached was that a single particle somehow passes through both slits at once. As if it somehow transcends the limitations of time and space. A new universe had been discovered which seemed to obey a new set of rules. 
 
 
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The ‘quanta’ of light, or ‘quantum’ physics is science’s way of saying we don’t know what it is because we can’t accurately measure it. It is not that light is a wave or a particle, it is because it has a 4 dimensional form which confuses us and leads us to fail to accurately quantify it. 

 
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Quantum science is so called because it is looking for the ultimate 'quantum' of stuff, the quantity, the quality, its nature. What is it? What is a photon? They really don't know. Their 3d experiments resulting from 4d changes, endlessly confuse modern science as it seeks to quantify matter into 'colours' 'strings' 'fields' 'waves' and particles.

Our scientists are only seeing 3d results and only observing different aspects of the same ultimate reality, the unification of the field and the photon, simply, that the photon travels the whole distance of the universe instantaneously. It is every where at once and science merely observes its relative positions as 3d 'snapshots' of a multi-faceted 4d reality.

This is 4d. The photon behaves as a 4d particle by travelling through BOTH slits at once, and being in two different places in 3d at the same time, which being a 4d particle, it can do.


 
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This also explains the mysterious nature of holograms as well. Again, we have light creating multiples, being in several places at the same time. When we divide the holographic film into smaller parts, every piece will show a reduced size 3d version of the full image, not a part of the image which is what happens if you cut 2 dimensional image, which seems counterintuitive to many, but this reveals the 4 dimensional nature of the photon.

In the holograms we have versions of the same image on infinite scales, because the photon is 4 dimensional and as a result, all it's sides are 3d. The 4d light photon interacts with the 2d film surface by creating multiple light patterns which when reactivated with more 4d photons produce 3d images. The photon imprints its 4d pattern on the film, namely that every side to a 4d shape is a 3d image and we see the 3d sides when we cut the 4d imprinted holographic film into pieces.


 
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And so we get a multitude of 3d images. Like the 4d photon is OMNIPRESENT in 3d. It is everywhere at once (until we perceive it: quantum entanglement). Incidentally this also solves the mystery of God.

In quantum physics scientists have postulated string-theory and multiple dimensions apparently 'folded-into' minute sub-atomic strings. This theory actually makes sense on two levels. Both intuitively and pragmatically. First of all, on the intuitive level, if higher dimensions are accessed from only within the present geometry and not outside of it, then it makes sense that sub-atomic particles will open up new dimensions deep inside themselves. When these particles are destroyed then new 3d dimensional particles come into existence from within the inner 4d dimension which resolves into 3d particles, many of which exist for only short periods in 3d time-space.

Just as the higher dimension is within us, it is also locked within every electro-magnetic particle in the universe. Light itself for instance, travels in 4d (outside of time). Time does not exist from the perspective of the photon travelling at light speed. Time does not pass because there is no time. Everything is instantaneous for the photon. This is 4d reality.

We perceive the light travel at a certain speed and travelling a certain space within a certain time, because we are OUTSIDE of the eternity which the photon experiences. On the pragmatic level, to demonstrate how a higher dimension might be hidden in something small, think about a galaxy or a planet viewed from a certain distance.

From far far away a galaxy appears to be a flat round disk. So too would a planet viewed from afar. From far enough away it could be said to be a two dimensional object in space. However only when you move closer to the galaxy or planet in question do you start to notice it has 'depth' and isn't flat but has a thickness. The 2d circle viewed from afar on closer inspection is revealed to be a 3d sphere.

In a sense we are as 'far away' from sub-atomic strings as we are from a distant galaxy, so if we were to get closer to the physical centre of the universe (the string) its multi-dimensional 'depths' would reveal themselves. Hope this makes some sort of sense.

This also solves the problem of the apparent wave-particle duality of light revealed by the famous double-slit diffraction experiment. It is not that light is a wave or a particle, it is because it has a 4 dimensional form which confuses us and leads us to fail to accurately quantify light.

When the 4 dimensional shape is all of these things at once. Our scientists are only seeing 3d results and only observing different aspects of the same ultimate reality, the unification of the field and the photon, simply, that the photon travels the whole distance of the universe instantaneously. It is every where at once and science merely observes its relative positions as 3d 'snapshots' of a multi-faceted 4d reality.

The problem with science, among other things, is they only promote people who belong to their secret club. Scientists of the past have told the public. or demonstrated to them one thing, but have kept quiet about all the other things they're not allowed, or supposed to talk about.

The greatest inventors and scientists of our history have often been secret cabalists, alchemists, spiritualists, freemasons and more besides. The latest atheistic notions of modern science stem from the masonic 'mind control' which scientists either propagate because they are freemasons, or because they are told to from the freemasons who give them their grants and such like.

Also spirituality has also become a taboo subject on TV because many who work in the media have this fear of offending anyone. So noone talks about it.

All ultimately leading to the abnegation of God and higher possibilities, and leading to obedient tax-payers funding Satan's little helpers to run their world for them on behalf of their hidden masters, who few suspect even exists due to the materialistic nature of the science and media message.

Clever huh?

In a devious twisted way.

Perhaps the most astonishing thing about the double slit experiment is that it shows us a consiousness centred view of the universe. Refuting the materialist lie that matter makes consciousness, quantum physics is starting to show us that consciousness actually 'makes' or 'orders' matter. The particularly weird thing about the double-slit experiment and the collapse of the wave function is that it is NOT the measuring or recording device itself which collapses the wave-function but it is consciousness itself.


 
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For instance, if an interferometer is introduced into the experiment to pinpoint the position of the 4d photon, then the interference pattern collapses and we see readings which would indicate that the photon was a particle after all. However if there was no 'access' to the information, and no readings were taken, then the wave-function would return and show the characteristic 4d wave-particle duality pattern. So if our minds can have an effect over one photon or electron then what more control can we have over the whole light based reality?

 

 

 

 

 

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That's how I see it too TS. The photon doesn't know what the restriction of 4th and 5th dimensions are. They are not restricted by them the way our conscious mind filters and adds that layer (restriction) into what we see around us...so we perceive and experience time and space  but the photon cares and does not...hence the double split and entanglement.  It's not such a head scratcher when you stop thinking from a 3d perspective. You put it better though.

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The Copenhagen interpretation of the double slit experiment is in correct  , when this experiment was first done and consciousness brought into the mix through observation , I forget who it was ,I would have to check but one fellow said hang on a minute, you get exactly the same outcome using fluid dynamics, but he was ignored,now this has been proven in modern labs.

Now if space acts like a fluid and I don't mean outer space ,I mean the space in atoms or in between particles,which has an infinite amount energy or energy field,you will get exactly the same results, interference patterns and single particles alike

https://hiup.org/quantum-weirdness-replaced-by-classical-fluid-dynamics

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Interesting point about fluid dynamics.... but I suppose the point is that an electron is supposedly a single 'particle'.

 

It is certainly considered an 'elementary' particle and completely indivisible.....

 

While a 'fluid' is composed of millions of molecules or millions of atoms.

 

And a 'fluid' is immeasurably more vast than a single electron...........   the fluid simply occupies more space..... I am not entirely sure you can compare a single tiny particle with a mass of atoms. The principles are different, and a gas or fluid is not moving at the speed of light.....it is following Brownian motion......gas, unless it is a kind of super heated plasma or super cold Bose Einstein condensate, does not exist at the limits of the measurable universe, so this puts things on an entirely different scale.

 

In fact, if anything the other observations in my article do indeed confirm the validity of the Niels Bohr Copenhagen Interpretation that the Photon does indeed have a 4 dimensional nature and in the existence in (what I would term) 4 dimensional Quantum phenomena. 

 

But I would like you to expand on your points for more clarification please. I may have misinterpreted, I have not heard of this theory.

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On 9/6/2020 at 12:34 AM, Michi713 said:

I’m obsessed with this book:  The Secret History of the World by Mark Booth.  

I highly recommend it! 

 

Re-read it. Good book, took a bit more from it this time round. It reminded me of another book which was referenced in it - Manly P Hall - Secret Teachings Of The Ages. So I'v downloaded a copy which I'm reading and ordered a hard copy which is available now and has the slides missing in the online PDF version.

 

In the Secret History Of The World he does occasionally make statements without backing them up - 'Bob Dylan did this' or 'So and So did that' but he does condense a lot of information into the book. Its similar in scope and composition to Manly P Hall's book, The Secret Teachings Of All The Ages so if you enjoyed Secret History Of The World, take a look at Secret Teachings Of All Ages.

 

Both books make it clear that Christianity was influenced by the Mystery Schools, whats interesting is they try to explain why and how a secret school of thought has continued to thrive.

 

Links below.

 

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Jonathan Black - The Secret History Of The World

Link -https://archive.org/details/JonathanBlackTheSecretHistoryOfTheWorldBo

 

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Manly P Hall - The Secret Teachings Of All Ages
Link - https://archive.org/details/TheSecretTeachingsOfAllAgesManlyHall

 

Don't know whats up with the links, they were copied from the website but don't seem to paste as actual links. Anyway, both books available on archive.org for download. When I  copy  and paste the address into the bar on a browser they do work!

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On 8/30/2020 at 3:17 PM, pi3141 said:

Lucifer (perhaps a Latin word) or Satan is supposed to turn humanity to worship him, he would not be openly able to do this so it is logical that he would try to deceive us into worshiping him as something else, most Christians worship Jesus as God, hence it would be a good trick for Satan to appear as Jesus and divert worship from God to him.

 

Jesus does warn us of this great deception in Mathew 24;

 

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See, I have told you ahead of time. "So if anyone tells you, `There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, `Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

 

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On 9/8/2020 at 12:55 AM, Truthspoon said:

The ‘quanta’ of light, or ‘quantum’ physics is science’s way of saying we don’t know what it is because we can’t accurately measure it. It is not that light is a wave or a particle, it is because it has a 4 dimensional form which confuses us and leads us to fail to accurately quantify it. 

 

We can accurately measure the interaction by comparing the wavelength of a photon with the amount of energy that is transferred to or from physical substance like an atom.

This interaction is described mathematically by the equation E = hf, where E is the transfer energy, f is the frequency of the light, and h is Planck's constant. With a good model it's possible to find the a theoretical value of Planck's constant which matches the value that is found experimentally.

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