Is Roman Catholic church just another mindcontrol tool?

[rideforever]

Catholic means universal ... which is interesting as the priests are meant to contain within themselves a transmission of light directly from Jesus himself.

Catholicism works in my opinion, at many levels ... you see that in areas that are still Catholic.  Beautiful architecture, harmonious people, restrained behaviour, a sense of another world, and yes people who go to heaven.  Respect for the family and for nature, for tradition, and for architecture.  Yes this is all excellent.

 

But it doesn't work everyone, true.  And the correct way to deal with that is to leave areas of society (like Soho) open to those people who quietly do what they have to do. 

 

If you try to create a world for everyone the result is death.  Because things don't work like that at all.

Human beings vastly overestimate themselves, they do not see that death comes and for most it is a life with little yield spent on a rat race and a tired carcass thrown in a pit.

Many people have many opinions ... but when they die how man of them have souls that continue?  That have reached something higher?

The Protestants talk a lot, sometimes every nicely, but ... it is -and I learn this the hard way- empty.  Most spirituality actually happens in the rectification and regulation of the subconscious animal inside, not with the mind.  Catholics, kneel, cross, pray ... they do things with their body.  Protestants don't.  It makes a huge difference.

Most work is done with the body ... i.e. the animal.  With only some work done with the higher faculties.

 

Catholicism is an incredible religion that is right in the heart of society, the society flows out from it.   Incredible to see.

Look for the difference, in India one yogi lives in cave in mountain on his own.  It's good also, but you can't build a society from it.   It's good for one man.

I don't think there was every a better church of society than Catholicism and also Orthodox.

Much better than people think, even if not perfect.

 

Now think about Judaism ... what do they do?  Do they do anything?
They just have rules.  Mostly don't make them happy, so don't follow.

They go to the wailing wall and shake backwards forwards praying .. actually maybe that does something, like shaking out lower energy and replace with higher energy - yes maybe that does something.

But I don't know what practices they do ... perhaps they have special meal on Shabat ?
Also is good, sit down with family, read Talmud.

And don't eat pigs or blood or insects ... also good, I can agree with all this.

Not sure where Zionism comes from really.

 

Edited October 23, 2020 by rideforever

[alexa]

7 minutes ago, Firebird said:

Printing also came later.

Not before Martin Luther kicked up a fuss during the Protestant Reformation: 

 

8 minutes ago, Firebird said:

It's therefore entirely rational to have a population that depends on a priestly class and their teaching and interpretation of the Bible.

Even then these priests only told them what they were ordered to tell them which was just enough,

12 minutes ago, Firebird said:

There is no ''wicked agenda'',

There was and still is.

What about the charge of money for getting out of purgatory that the Catholic Church instigated, or rather paying to get to heaven ?

This is mostly what Martin Luther was protesting about.

[Lord Humungus]

3 minutes ago, alexa said:

Not before Martin Luther kicked up a fuss during the Protestant Reformation: 

 

Even then these priests only told them what they were ordered to tell them which was just enough,

There was and still is.

What about the charge of money for getting out of purgatory that the Catholic Church instigated, or rather paying to get to heaven ?

This is mostly what Martin Luther was protesting about.

The Printing Press was invented in 1440

Martin Luther was born in 1483

[alexa]

37 minutes ago, Lord Humungus said:

The Printing Press was invented in 1440

Martin Luther was born in 1483

 Yes

 

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 Created in China, the printing press revolutionized society there before being further developed in Europe in the 15th Century by Johannes Gutenberg and his invention of the Gutenberg press, but the influence and spread of Martin Luther's ideas can be attributed to invention of the printing press which influenced the spread of Luther's ideas and permanently changed the Catholic Church forever. The printing press allowed for a rapid spread of ideas to a whole new group of people and Printing was essential to the creation of Martin Luther, but Luther was also a determining, shaping force in the German printing industry,” Pettegree writes. “After Luther, print and public communication would never be the same again

 

The complete Bible of Martin Luther was first printed at Wittenberg by Hans Lufft in 1534. It is said that Lufft sold over 100,000 copies of Luther's Bible in forty years.

 

My apologies, I shouldn't have quoted 'Not before Martin Luther kicked up a fuss' I should have said ' with the help of Martin Luther

Edited October 23, 2020 by alexa

[Firebird]

Really nice post, @rideforever

You make good arguments. These days it has all become about individual spirituality (which is often just regurgitated advaita Hinduism) but to me it feels like everyone is just alienated from one another. No sense of community, no sense of connection to society, to nature, no great works of art of architecture. No nothing. Spirituality these days is like people wearing masks and living in bubbles.

Protestantism is a bit like that as well, to a degree at least. They look down upon pilgrimages, images, etc. but these all connect people to the land and to the stories. This helps to build a civilization and a society. They criticized the Catholic Church for ''worshipping''  images but don't seem to understand this tradition came to be because people couldn't read and write.

Edited October 23, 2020 by Firebird

[Firebird]

2 hours ago, alexa said:

There was and still is.

What about the charge of money for getting out of purgatory that the Catholic Church instigated, or rather paying to get to heaven ?

This is mostly what Martin Luther was protesting about.

 

I believe Luther had some valid points, but I also believe one should not throw out the baby with the bathwater. These days we tend to interpret those times through Protestant biases, because they made many gains then and it can be said they won that culture war, at least in western and northern Europe.

 

But during the Reformation there were many princes and nobles that saw opportunity in the Reformation. They knew it was a chance to fatten themselves by confiscating the property and land of monasteries.

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2020 by Firebird

[Lord Humungus]

1 minute ago, Firebird said:

I believe Luther had some valid points, but I also believe one should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

These days we tend to interpret those times through Protestant biases, because they made many gains then and it can be said they won that culture war.

 

But during the Reformation there were many princes and nobles that saw opportunity in the Reformation. They knew it was a chance to fatten themselves by confiscating the property and land of monasteries.

The reformation was funded by wealthy businessmen who wanted to wrestle Northern Europe away from Catholic Spain for their own financial gain and other personal issues.

[rideforever]

Just remember when you attack Christianity, you attack your very roots just like they want you to.
Next you will be attacking your parents and your gender, then your body, then your mind.

On the Use and Abuse of History to Inspire or Demoralise a Society (Nietzche)