Maedros Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 11:28 AM, oz93666 said: 1. Man has the right to live by his own law— to live in the way that he wills to do: to work as he will: to play as he will: to rest as he will: to die when and how he will. 2. Man has the right to eat what he will: to drink what he will: to dwell where he will: to move as he will on the face of the earth. So this is Inversion; this how it is presented, so simple, so attractive, so deceptive. D&C 88:35 That which breaketh a law, and abideth not by law, but seeketh to become a law unto itself, and willeth to abide in sin, and altogether abideth in sin, cannot be sanctified by law, neither by mercy, justice, nor judgment. Therefore, they must remain filthy still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Have you Had! The manifestation of [the egyptian personification of the heavens]! A welcomings from the company of heaven! Love is the law! Love under will! This book is meaningless nonsense to those who dont know about the heavens, but it describes something manifest throughout the earth which is not the earth in and of itself. A thing that many christians are on a pilgrimage to that they could reach without even leaving their bed. Ascending into the domain of Uranus has little to do with butt sex and Uranus was not personification of the sky but heaven. In Christianity there is a creed, a kind of poem that the congregations chant during their currently illegal gatherings as they have done since Christianity became "a thing". I disgree that Jesus' father in heaven was almighty god but merely amongst the Elohim who have lives in the celestial sphere (doing mathematics and boring shit mostly). The Christian creed recount the first god in their trinity to be "the maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen". While I agree in an almighty God creator of heaven and earth, its my view that Jesus' "Father in Heaven" is not the Almighty God but an Eloha having life in the heavens and in my view also had life on the earth also. The soul of Jesus (a star within the belly of Nuit (egyptian goddess personifying heaven, not sky) was in contact through the heavens with another star, he refers to as the father with whom he is one. Jesus had a mental illness hearing voices that were not there to those who never guessed to where the heavens might be found - within them! Where are the things you see with your eyes to be found? Within you ... in the sense you must interpret and be in awareness of your senses for it to make any sense at all, otherwise its just some random going on in your body you maybe never think about too much. They say the senses are five in number but tell me this, if you reach down to the handle of a suitcase, and feel its texture with your sense of touch, what sense are you using to feel how heavy it is? The five senses were known to the Great Warlord of Ancient China Sun Tsu, but the Great Teacher of Ancient China Lao Tsu knew about mysteries darker than the mysteries of whether an enemy was very near or very far. In spiritual circles, the five senses are called the five base senses. Other senses are denied by those in naivity about or those traumatised by those who know all to well that there are other senses, or at least that the five base sense model is a crude description. Amongst those in awareness of other senses is an ironic chicken pecking order like behaviour that is also responsable for this knowledge being hidden and replaced by the spititual equivelent of 'make those people live in a bubble. Aleister Crowley's Liber Al Legis is useful to those who seek an understanding of the puzzle before you're eyes when you wake up one day an your whole earthly existence until that point has been a bubble as the realities of all thats been hidden about you from you is an undeniable living invisible spiritual reality the people from the bubble would still conceal, deny and even declare themselves experts over while appearing to have no experience at all. Welcome to hades. The first level of reality beyond a world that thinks its made of meat and that hades is as beneath the ground their meat walks on as heaven is the same place as the sky. Understanding the fourth dimension of a tesseract is important in understand the true direction heaven's in. It is not up there like the sky but manifest through the flesh, within us, subtley, and communicable through from star in the heaven to star in the heaven, like electronic walkie talkies and broadcast media are like crutches on a spiritually crippled civilization which is now awakening against a backdrop of vested power interests whos hearts are on the profits and not the prophets. The stone lost at the begining of time. The land that time forgot... revealed... and revealling undeniable persecutions and abuses at the hands of state sponsored abuses which appeared "normal" until the rest of the story was revealled. Welcome to hades looking down on the helots in hell abusing one another in pursuit of a paradise their behaviours can never acquire for them. Oh Arjuna! The most distressing thing of all is that the people in that place are people you loved and thought you knew. Of the stars in celeste, Crowley says "The Khabs is in the Khu, not the Khu in the Khabs." 'What nonsense poetry is this?' say the naive. "I've been told this book should be burnt" consider the ignorant. The philosophic might be saved a trip to dictionary.com by knowing Khabs is Egyptian for Star and Khu is the Egyptian for soul. Thus: The star is in the soul, not the soul in the star. It's better to focus along the text in full and understand its full context rather than for me divine a meaning for you. This is not Booky Wooky by Russel Brand nor is it limited to the kind of metaphoric suggestions you might find in a Stuart Lee work. Theres certain 'magick' employed in its writing beyond mere linguistic devices that could be compared to words which have recived part charging like sigils. It could potentially be craftsmanship, rather than something divinely inspired as Crowley alleges. There are potentially seals which could suddenly turn the book ugly but it looks the part under its front seal. 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oz93666 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Ahhh ...Only just seen these questions from Lore .Apologies for late reply ... They are precise and direct , just as I requested On 8/27/2020 at 7:16 PM, Lore said: My questions is... How did you know what your 'destiny' was from an early age, can you describe what you envisaged? A friend thrust Crowley's 'Confessions' (his autobiography) into my hands ( I was about 19) . he was insistent it was for me ... I started reading and was hooked ....As years went by I became more convinced that Thelema had the key to take humanity into the new civilization .... Sceptics could say it was Dark spirits/malevolent ET's that mind influenced me ... They do have this ability .... It doesn't matter , they've bitten off more than they can chew with me .... Cos now the leader of the Thelemites is telling them to believe in God/Creator ...Pray to him ... And there are karmic results for actions ... So from another perspective I have infiltrated Thelema and turned it to the light ...Telling people to do Yoga (but that's what Crowley said anyway) ... At this moment Thelema does have many many thousand hard core adherents , with all varying degrees of depravity , most are not depraved at all , but they are playing with fire .... I am here to steer these people back to the light . The divine realm would not leave them to flounder , but the correction has to be done by a human (me) On 8/27/2020 at 7:16 PM, Lore said: Clearly Crowley’s Holy Guardian Angel was a demon. You say you have been seeking communion with yours, what method have you used for this and how is it not also a demon? Crowley's HGA was not a demon .... All humans have a HGA also known as oversoul or higher self , it is the part of yourself , which is not yourself ..did not incarnate and has precise understanding of Why you chose to be born , what your life mission is ... So it is of prime importance the Magician communicate with his HGA , to understand his mission. Crowley was using a classical Abramelin ritual format for this , he bought Boleskine House just for this HGA ritual ... But he allowed himself to be distracted , called away , and something went wrong .... From Wikipedia "It requires at least 6 months of preparation, celibacy and abstinence from alcohol. However, it also includes the summoning of the 12 Kings and Dukes of Hell, to bind them and remove their negative influences from the magician's life.[17][18] Whilst Crowley was in the process of performing the lengthy ritual, he was called to Paris by the leader of the Golden Dawn. According to legend, he never banished the demons he had summoned, leading to strange happenings occurring in and around Boleskine House..." I would not use the Abramelin Formulae ...Why should I , it was just dreamed up by one man .... The gist of it is , you have to believe in Your Holy Guardian Angel ... strive to communicate with Her ... But first Banish all outside influence so the dark spirits and ET psychics cannot but in ..... Banishing comes up again and again in Golden Dawn and Crowley's system.. It's the key to success . On 8/27/2020 at 7:16 PM, Lore said: You have said you meditated in the great pyramid as Crowley did, how was what you did different? No idea how my experience was different .. On 8/27/2020 at 7:16 PM, Lore said: I would also be interested to know who your God is, that you pray to; for clarity can you describe this being? My God is the God of Karl Mollison .... The supreme creator of our part of reality ... To be clear Prayer is not about adoring or worshipping this Creator ... He doesn't need that ... Rather it's submitting a list of demands or requests . For example ... " send divine energy to heal my bad tooth ... ensure my body remains fit and well ... bring more love in my life" ..... We are informed at this time there is one vitally important prayer which should be on everyone's lips , if we don't get enough people doing this, humanity will be destroyed by the dark forces within a few years ... " May all evil spirits and malevolent ET's receive forgiveness and divine healing , may they move on from this place and leave humanity in peace" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg18_LahHDHQZi7LYGbkS3Q/videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Given To Fly Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) watched a documentary a couple of days ago where it said that aleister crowley was employed by the british during WW2 to counter-attack the Nazis occultism and that he was the architect behind a ritual involving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Forest_coven edit: (just checked, i still have it recorded. it was on a channel called 'Yesterday' and is series6 ep7. 'The Nazi Belief in the Occult') Edited November 15, 2020 by Given To Fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveh583 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 the documentary is sensationalist at best, and never has there been more misinformation written about a single person in history that crowley. Basically he was the victim of the worlds first smear campaign by the media (who were offended by his open bisexuality and criticism of the church). The same media you lot still criticise for their treatment of icke. All of you who still believe such twaddle are the same as the sheep who dismiss icke instantly. Its not like there aren't credible biographies covering his (unbelievably action packed) life, or people who worked with him like israelie regardie who will give you a more practical perspective. He wasn't a satanist, he was a thelemite. He wouldn't have given any credence to satanism as this would lend credibility to christianity, something he'd loath to do. He certainly wasn't a "nice" guy, he was selfish, silly and had a ridiculous ego.....but he wasn't evil. Basically he was a trust fund brat, and that attitude spilled over into his work meaning he couldn't walk the path he preached. If you read his actual work it is surprisingly tame and more in the lines of hindu/daoist philosophy. Many people will misquote "do what that wilt" as if its hedonistic, when it actually means "find your divine purpose" IE find your true calling in life. They will also quote a single line about "sacrificing 150 children a year" which is a joke referencing masturbation because he was bound by the literacy laws of the age. if they bothered to read the rest of the chapter, he signs it off basically stating only a complete idiot would take this seriously. crowley was a impish raconteur, as was the popular writing influence of the age (Oscar wilde?) and didn't suffer fools gladly so was happy to encourage his ridiculous reputation. Here is his quotes on black magic : Black magic is not a myth. It is a totally unscientific and emotional form of magic, but it does get results — of an extremely temporary nature. The recoil upon those who practice it is terrific. It is like looking for an escape of gas with a lighted candle. As far as the search goes, there is little fear of failure! To practice black magic you have to violate every principle of science, decency, and intelligence. You must be obsessed with an insane idea of the importance of the petty object of your wretched and selfish desires. I have been accused of being a "black magician." No more foolish statement was ever made about me. I despise the thing to such an extent that I can hardly believe in the existence of people so debased and idiotic as to practice it. on the media : To read a newspaper is to refrain from reading something worth while. The natural laziness of the mind tempts one to eschew authors who demand a continuous effort of intelligence. The first discipline of education must therefore be to refuse resolutely to feed the mind with canned chatter. People tell me that they must read the papers so as to know what is going on. In the first place, they could hardly find a worse guide. Most of what is printed turns out to be false, sooner or later. Even when there is no deliberate deception, the account must, from the nature of the case, be presented without adequate reflection and must seem to possess an importance which time shows to be absurdly exaggerated; or vice versa. No event can be fairly judged without background and perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveh583 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) Given to fly... it is like he was recommended as the man to interrogate hess by (bond author) ian flemming who at the time worked for MI5. tho his reputation discouraged the authorities from using him. He claimed he invented churchills V for victory sign as a female counter to the nazis phallic salute. Edited January 14, 2021 by steveh583 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, steveh583 said: He claimed he invented churchills V for victory sign as a female counter to the nazis phallic salute. "V a female counter " to NAZI phallic salute ... If you see "V" as the female genitals (possible) then this is not a counter ... but an invitation to be shagged by hitler .. Ever played that game rock , paper scissors ? ... "V" is a pair of scissors .. Churchill was waving a pair of scissors in Hitlers face ... "I'm going to cut off your erection " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveh583 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, oz93666 said: "V a female counter " to NAZI phallic salute ... If you see "V" as the female genitals (possible) then this is not a counter ... but an invitation to be shagged by hitler .. Ever played that game rock , paper scissors ? ... "V" is a pair of scissors .. Churchill was waving a pair of scissors in Hitlers face ... "I'm going to cut off your erection " i think it was more in terms of negating the aggressive male energy with its opposing force. But its all mere speculation, theres no proof other than crowleys words, and he was known to tell a good tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 10/20/2020 at 9:29 PM, Maedros said: So this is Inversion; this how it is presented, so simple, so attractive, so deceptive. D&C 88:35 That which breaketh a law, and abideth not by law, but seeketh to become a law unto itself, and willeth to abide in sin, and altogether abideth in sin, cannot be sanctified by law, neither by mercy, justice, nor judgment. Therefore, they must remain filthy still. No its not inversion. Thats what you call it when you want to deny its validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 On 10/20/2020 at 11:39 PM, Steph said: Have you Had! The manifestation of [the egyptian personification of the heavens]! A welcomings from the company of heaven! Love is the law! Love under will! This book is meaningless nonsense to those who dont know about the heavens, but it describes something manifest throughout the earth which is not the earth in and of itself. A thing that many christians are on a pilgrimage to that they could reach without even leaving their bed. Ascending into the domain of Uranus has little to do with butt sex and Uranus was not personification of the sky but heaven. In Christianity there is a creed, a kind of poem that the congregations chant during their currently illegal gatherings as they have done since Christianity became "a thing". I disgree that Jesus' father in heaven was almighty god but merely amongst the Elohim who have lives in the celestial sphere (doing mathematics and boring shit mostly). The Christian creed recount the first god in their trinity to be "the maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen". While I agree in an almighty God creator of heaven and earth, its my view that Jesus' "Father in Heaven" is not the Almighty God but an Eloha having life in the heavens and in my view also had life on the earth also. The soul of Jesus (a star within the belly of Nuit (egyptian goddess personifying heaven, not sky) was in contact through the heavens with another star, he refers to as the father with whom he is one. Jesus had a mental illness hearing voices that were not there to those who never guessed to where the heavens might be found - within them! Where are the things you see with your eyes to be found? Within you ... in the sense you must interpret and be in awareness of your senses for it to make any sense at all, otherwise its just some random going on in your body you maybe never think about too much. They say the senses are five in number but tell me this, if you reach down to the handle of a suitcase, and feel its texture with your sense of touch, what sense are you using to feel how heavy it is? The five senses were known to the Great Warlord of Ancient China Sun Tsu, but the Great Teacher of Ancient China Lao Tsu knew about mysteries darker than the mysteries of whether an enemy was very near or very far. In spiritual circles, the five senses are called the five base senses. Other senses are denied by those in naivity about or those traumatised by those who know all to well that there are other senses, or at least that the five base sense model is a crude description. Amongst those in awareness of other senses is an ironic chicken pecking order like behaviour that is also responsable for this knowledge being hidden and replaced by the spititual equivelent of 'make those people live in a bubble. Aleister Crowley's Liber Al Legis is useful to those who seek an understanding of the puzzle before you're eyes when you wake up one day an your whole earthly existence until that point has been a bubble as the realities of all thats been hidden about you from you is an undeniable living invisible spiritual reality the people from the bubble would still conceal, deny and even declare themselves experts over while appearing to have no experience at all. Welcome to hades. The first level of reality beyond a world that thinks its made of meat and that hades is as beneath the ground their meat walks on as heaven is the same place as the sky. Understanding the fourth dimension of a tesseract is important in understand the true direction heaven's in. It is not up there like the sky but manifest through the flesh, within us, subtley, and communicable through from star in the heaven to star in the heaven, like electronic walkie talkies and broadcast media are like crutches on a spiritually crippled civilization which is now awakening against a backdrop of vested power interests whos hearts are on the profits and not the prophets. The stone lost at the begining of time. The land that time forgot... revealed... and revealling undeniable persecutions and abuses at the hands of state sponsored abuses which appeared "normal" until the rest of the story was revealled. Welcome to hades looking down on the helots in hell abusing one another in pursuit of a paradise their behaviours can never acquire for them. Oh Arjuna! The most distressing thing of all is that the people in that place are people you loved and thought you knew. Of the stars in celeste, Crowley says "The Khabs is in the Khu, not the Khu in the Khabs." 'What nonsense poetry is this?' say the naive. "I've been told this book should be burnt" consider the ignorant. The philosophic might be saved a trip to dictionary.com by knowing Khabs is Egyptian for Star and Khu is the Egyptian for soul. Thus: The star is in the soul, not the soul in the star. It's better to focus along the text in full and understand its full context rather than for me divine a meaning for you. This is not Booky Wooky by Russel Brand nor is it limited to the kind of metaphoric suggestions you might find in a Stuart Lee work. Theres certain 'magick' employed in its writing beyond mere linguistic devices that could be compared to words which have recived part charging like sigils. It could potentially be craftsmanship, rather than something divinely inspired as Crowley alleges. There are potentially seals which could suddenly turn the book ugly but it looks the part under its front seal. A copy of the work can be found at https://lib.oto-usa.org/libri/liber0220.html Crowley said that the mysteries protect themselves, so if the curios and lazy try to acquire them for no real reason they wont find them. I think this is why a lot of his work has a dark sheen to it, to scare off the lazy people who have no desire to proceed. Those with a bit more intelligence will check out what is being said, even wrestle with some of the dark ideas, like Jacob wrestling an angel, to gain true insight. Most hate Crowley because they think the only truth is in the bible but they are afraid to ask what is the bible about. The presume its true because they have been told to believe or burn in hell. If they really want truth they should look into how the bible came into being and its sources and origins. Also, there are those who quote the bible but fail to mention a lot of the dark stories in it. I dont think anybody will get anything much from his work without having to wrestle with it mentally, which acts as a catalyst for change. For those who say the truth should be straight forward, they need to consider that even jesus hid his true words in parables. Thelema is not for the lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, oz93666 said: "V a female counter " to NAZI phallic salute ... If you see "V" as the female genitals (possible) then this is not a counter ... but an invitation to be shagged by hitler .. or is it the sign of typhon which crowley was offering as a counter to the nazis solar swastika symbol? Typhon being chaos and representing satan.... Edited January 14, 2021 by Macnamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 hours ago, Macnamara said: or is it the sign of typhon which crowley was offering as a counter to the nazis solar swastika symbol? Typhon being chaos and representing satan.... Well.... It's hardly the sign of typhon ... Churchill hasn't got his two arms reaching up to the heavens ... But more importantly the public don't know who typhon is , or that some stupid Golden Dawn occultist has decided that this is his sign , not even on a subconscious level , so it won't have an effect .... But they all played that game as children , so on an unconscious level , they get that it's a pair of scissors... And on an unconscious level they get Hitler's salute is an erection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 10/21/2020 at 5:10 AM, oz93666 said: Crowley's HGA was not a demon .... All humans have a HGA also known as oversoul or higher self , it is the part of yourself , which is not yourself ..did not incarnate and has precise understanding of Why you chose to be born , what your life mission is ... So it is of prime importance the Magician communicate with his HGA , to understand his mission. Crowley was using a classical Abramelin ritual format for this , he bought Boleskine House just for this HGA ritual ... But he allowed himself to be distracted , called away , and something went wrong .... I know absolutely nothing about Crowley, the occult, rituals and all that so sorry if this seems a daft question. But it seems promoted that Crowley believed he had a guardian angel named Lam I think. Who looked like some weird grey alien with small eyes, very creepy looking, I’d rather not put a picture in before I go to sleep tbh. What’s the story behind this Lam entity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, Seeker said: . But it seems promoted that Crowley believed he had a guardian angel named Lam I think. Who looked like some weird grey alien with small eyes, very creepy looking..... It was never suggested Lam was Crowley's HGA .... Lam was just one of a long list of beings Crowley came in contact through his magical workings .... Many ran him ragged , on false treasure hunts , they directed him to travel far and wide promising fortune or buried treasure was waiting (Crowley was skint most of his life and the promise of money could just motivate him to put down his opium pipe and get moving).. Anyway , Crowley contacted Lam in a "Sex magic working" in 1918 in NY ... Crowley believed Lam to be the soul of a dead Tibetan Lama , and that Lam was to "Fulfil " the work initiated by Aiwass (Thelema and the book of the Law) ...That was something else Crowley was always dreaming of , some way to kick start his religion , which was going nowhere ... It was another false promise , and Lam didn't Fulfil anything ... It was almost certainly demons or ET psychics behind all these contacts , they knew how to press Crowley's buttons. Here's the picture of Lam Crowley drew at the time .... Modern critics have said it's a Grey , but the eyes are all wrong . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 12 hours ago, oz93666 said: Well.... It's hardly the sign of typhon ... It's the sign of typhon The nazis who were themselves occultists would understand the significance of the symbol. It is the sign of the egyptian god of chaos and evil and that is what crowley encouraged our freemasonic prime minister to adopt and use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 12 hours ago, Seeker said: I know absolutely nothing about Crowley, the occult, rituals and all that so sorry if this seems a daft question. But it seems promoted that Crowley believed he had a guardian angel named Lam I think. Who looked like some weird grey alien with small eyes, very creepy looking, I’d rather not put a picture in before I go to sleep tbh. What’s the story behind this Lam entity? As far as I know Lam was an entity Crowley contacted after one working. Crowley describes the image as symbolic of what the being is rather than an actual image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Macnamara said: It's the sign of typhon The nazis who were themselves occultists would understand the significance of the symbol. It is the sign of the egyptian god of chaos and evil and that is what crowley encouraged our freemasonic prime minister to adopt and use Those signs are not universal and come from the Golden Dawn system. Isis mourning is more of an L shape, with one arm up and one out, so its not a nazi salute. Freemasonry is not even on the cards with this. Still got Crowley down as a bogey man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 11 hours ago, oz93666 said: It was never suggested Lam was Crowley's HGA .... Lam was just one of a long list of beings Crowley came in contact through his magical workings .... Many ran him ragged , on false treasure hunts , they directed him to travel far and wide promising fortune or buried treasure was waiting (Crowley was skint most of his life and the promise of money could just motivate him to put down his opium pipe and get moving).. Anyway , Crowley contacted Lam in a "Sex magic working" in 1918 in NY ... Crowley believed Lam to be the soul of a dead Tibetan Lama , and that Lam was to "Fulfil " the work initiated by Aiwass (Thelema and the book of the Law) ...That was something else Crowley was always dreaming of , some way to kick start his religion , which was going nowhere ... It was another false promise , and Lam didn't Fulfil anything ... It was almost certainly demons or ET psychics behind all these contacts , they knew how to press Crowley's buttons. Here's the picture of Lam Crowley drew at the time .... Modern critics have said it's a Grey , but the eyes are all wrong . Not only that but how many people describe greys has having such noses. Crowley said the large head symbolised great intelligence, etc. He said it was symbolic of what the entity is. The prominent forehead meant it had high spiritual attainment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 12 hours ago, Seeker said: I know absolutely nothing about Crowley, the occult, rituals and all that so sorry if this seems a daft question. But it seems promoted that Crowley believed he had a guardian angel named Lam I think. Who looked like some weird grey alien with small eyes, very creepy looking, I’d rather not put a picture in before I go to sleep tbh. What’s the story behind this Lam entity? The info isnt hard to find but you are best off reading it on an occult site, not a site trying to prove the occult is all evil because the bible said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Just now, MarpatV2 said: Those signs are not universal and come from the Golden Dawn system. sure and crowley was a golden dawn man so it makes sense if he was the guy giving the sign of typhon to churchill Just now, MarpatV2 said: Isis mourning is more of an L shape, with one arm up and one out, so its not a nazi salute. i'm not talking about the nazi salute, i'm talking about churchills 'V' sign which i am saying is the sign for typhon The nazis were using a solar swastika symbol and in mythology the solar hero battles with the chaos god typhon Just now, MarpatV2 said: Freemasonry is not even on the cards with this. Freemasonry is always in the cards! Crowley was a non official freemason and churchill will definately have been a freemason Just now, MarpatV2 said: Still got Crowley down as a bogey man? i have crowley down as an agent of certain forces So some people trace the golden dawn back to the rothschilds who were involved in all kinds of manouvers at that time. They funded adam weishaupt who set up the bavarian illuminati and they were also followers of the sabbatean jacob frank So i am suggesting that sabbateanism bled into british occultism and that crowley was an agent of that process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Macnamara said: sure and crowley was a golden dawn man so it makes sense if he was the guy giving the sign of typhon to churchill i'm not talking about the nazi salute, i'm talking about churchills 'V' sign which i am saying is the sign for typhon The nazis were using a solar swastika symbol and in mythology the solar hero battles with the chaos god typhon Freemasonry is always in the cards! Crowley was a non official freemason and churchill will definately have been a freemason i have crowley down as an agent of certain forces So some people trace the golden dawn back to the rothschilds who were involved in all kinds of manouvers at that time. They funded adam weishaupt who set up the bavarian illuminati and they were also followers of the sabbatean jacob frank So i am suggesting that sabbateanism bled into british occultism and that crowley was an agent of that process Crowley wrecked the Gold Dawn. Churchill didnt use the typhon sign either. It may have been Crowley just having a joke about giving him the V sign, as he was a joker. Are you suggesting that the nazis were actually the power of light battling against darkness manifest in Churchill? Crowley was not recognised by UGLE as a freemason, which is why he began to trash freemasonry in his books. Lol, so you go down the whole route of trying to tie Crowley down to some dark group with a jewish basis? how original, not. I suggest you go an learn something about what the illuminati were all about. They had no time for magic and occultism and were quite against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: Churchill didnt use the typhon sign either. he made the 'V' sign which is the sign of typhon Quote Are you suggesting that the nazis were actually the power of light battling against darkness manifest in Churchill? No i'm suggesting that churchill self-identified himself with the forces of evil Quote Crowley was not recognised by UGLE as a freemason, which is why he began to trash freemasonry in his books. But he was initiated Quote Lol, so you go down the whole route of trying to tie Crowley down to some dark group with a jewish basis? A sabbatean basis yes....the sabbateans were considered heretics by many jews I would say that crowley was setting out to break taboos and i personally see that as tying into the sabbatean approach of holiness through sin Quote how original, not. I suggest you go an learn something about what the illuminati were all about. They had no time for magic and occultism and were quite against it. Well with weishaupt we could be seeing an inversion because as mark passio says the guys people call the 'illuminati' are very far from enlightened beings But when i use the term i am talking about the sabbatean cult that is steering the secret society network and the big corporations I believe crowley was an agent of theirs tasked with the mission of destroying the christian church in the west and of seducing youth to dark sabbatean practices It goes deeper than that for example there are links between founders of the new age religion and the freemasonic quatuor coronati lodge and i suggest that the whole 'aquarian conspiracy' was created by the sabbateans that control freemasonry in order to lead people away from christianity and into a globalised pseudo-religion through which they could be more easily moulded into global slaves under a technocratic world government Edited January 15, 2021 by Macnamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveh583 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 12 hours ago, oz93666 said: It was never suggested Lam was Crowley's HGA .... Lam was just one of a long list of beings Crowley came in contact through his magical workings .... Many ran him ragged , on false treasure hunts , they directed him to travel far and wide promising fortune or buried treasure was waiting (Crowley was skint most of his life and the promise of money could just motivate him to put down his opium pipe and get moving).. Anyway , Crowley contacted Lam in a "Sex magic working" in 1918 in NY ... Crowley believed Lam to be the soul of a dead Tibetan Lama , and that Lam was to "Fulfil " the work initiated by Aiwass (Thelema and the book of the Law) ...That was something else Crowley was always dreaming of , some way to kick start his religion , which was going nowhere ... It was another false promise , and Lam didn't Fulfil anything ... It was almost certainly demons or ET psychics behind all these contacts , they knew how to press Crowley's buttons. Here's the picture of Lam Crowley drew at the time .... Modern critics have said it's a Grey , but the eyes are all wrong . out of interest, who told you crowley was skint most of his life? I have heard differing accounts. i know he was a bankrupt, but that was towards his winter years. and during his stay at netherwood he still received subs from OTO and american supporters. when he died, £400 was found in a shoebox under his bed, given to him for the future publication of magick without tears. thus kind of indicating a) his misfortunes were overstated, b)his restraint was still in tact when required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Macnamara said: he made the 'V' sign which is the sign of typhon No i'm suggesting that churchill self-identified himself with the forces of evil But he was initiated A sabbatean basis yes....the sabbateans were considered heretics by many jews I would say that crowley was setting out to break taboos and i personally see that as tying into the sabbatean approach of holiness through sin Well with weishaupt we could be seeing an inversion because as mark passio says the guys people call the 'illuminati' are very far from enlightened beings But when i use the term i am talking about the sabbatean cult that is steering the secret society network and the big corporations I believe crowley was an agent of theirs tasked with the mission of destroying the christian church in the west and of seducing youth to dark sabbatean practices It goes deeper than that for example there are links between founders of the new age religion and the freemasonic quatuor coronati lodge and i suggest that the whole 'aquarian conspiracy' was created by the sabbateans that control freemasonry in order to lead people away from christianity and into a globalised pseudo-religion through which they could be more easily moulded into global slaves under a technocratic world government The sign of Typhon is a V with both arms up, not the fingers. Crowley went through the AASR degrees in an unregistered lodge, so they didnt count. They may have given him the knowledge of the degree but outside of that he would have had no right to anything in a recognised AASR lodge. This pissed him off greatly. Thelema, Crowleys system, is about individual freedom and liberty whereas Judaism in any form is about community living and cohesion. They are not compatible. Crowley would have loved to be responsible for the destruction of the church, especially as his fundy mother terrorised him in the name of christianity. Thelema is about giving people the methods to gradually release a person from their mental and emotional bonds, often forced upon them by religious dogmas. Clearly bible thumpers see this as a threat to their power and authority and will call it dark, etc. Personally I think christianity has had its day. So much evil has been done it its name that any 'wine' it contained has been contaminated. I get that people who feel christianity is the only truth feel threatened by all this sort of thing but thats just a sign of their emotional insecurity, which shows when they have to try and bash people over the head with their bible quotes. All this sabattean stuff is BS man. I have read what they are about but I think you just use the word because you can somehow tie negative connotations into it. Mark Passio might call those people unenlightened but I would put my cash on him being unelightened too. The fact that he claims to be a priest of satanism speaks for itself. I think such people are pretentious posers trying to be all dark and badass. What you have to understand is that some taboos are false and have made peoples lives miserable. Therefore one step to breaking out of that is breaking the relevant taboo. Sex before marriage was once a massive things but now it isnt. Labelling things as sinful only serves to repress people through making them feel guilty, mainly for natural behaviour. Again, those bonds need smashing. Criticism of the bible is a big taboo for many yet its important to do so to really know whats going on. How many people have suffered mental and emotional strain because they cant have a wank due to the story of Onan? You have to many unfounded beliefs that dont really fit together. Is that you Wave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macnamara Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, steveh583 said: £400 was found in a shoebox under his bed, his restraint was still in tact when required that was probably for his next skag deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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