How do you think the universe started ?

[Nemo]

In the beginning the Universe was created.

 

This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

 

Many races believe that it was created by some sort of God, though the Jatravartid people of Viltvodle 6 believe that the entire Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure.

 

The Jatravartids, who live in perpetual fear of the time they call The Coming of The Great White Handkerchief, are small blue creatures with more than fifty arms each, who are therefore unique in being the only race in history to have invented the aerosol deodorant before the wheel.

 

However, the Great Green Arkleseizure Theory is not widely accepted outside Viltvodle 6 and so, the Universe being the puzzling place it is, other explanations are constantly being sought.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2022 by Nemo

[zArk]

dont wanna read as pissy but .....

 

the universe , like the world, is an imaginary construct that people think through. a reality experienced socially.

the word universe can be simply broken up to Uni --- verse ... One Voice ... or interpreted as a single perspective lived through by members of that cult .. ure

 

However the earth is real. Solid. Material. and quite different

 

So i say the Universe was started around the time of Abraham (the Hyksos in Eygpt == horse back riders like the Scythians and like the British obsessed with horse racing )   .... to be clear .. the Universe in parts of Indian culture has a big fecking turtle swimming around ... western Universe is quite different (further after reading Tsarion, Ellis and a little Beaumont i conclude that the polytheistic society from Ireland was split and the Sun worshippers ended up dominating societies. due to the inbalance of monotheism it destroyed those cultures as it progressed. )

 

 

 

 

[Origin]

The thing is that it is neither a universe according to current beliefs nor does the firmament correspond to what humans assume it to be. Is it not enough to say that nothing has emerged on its own? And that stars are not stars? I can only say that the word of Humans should not be taken too seriously.

[alexa]

Post by Boadicea, in 'The Crow House'

 

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The Ice Wall (61 IMAGES) 1912 Cpt. Robert Scott Expedition
Edgar Reyes

My Maternal Grandfather went to the Antarctic with Scott's Crew and set up a Base Camp.
Possibly the 1912 Voyage??? as he Survived, Only to Later Succumb to a Jaw Tumour in the 1930's.

I Have been Trying to Glean Information for Years but there is No Official Crew List Available Containing his name.

I Have his Photos in Uniform and my Sister saw something on Antiques Roadshow about a Diary Found in Liverpool, England from a Crew member Recording Further Details but we can't find any More thus far from Roadshow Or Internet Sources.

My Auntie had all his writings that she Remembered Transcribing as a Young Woman and was going to Search them out from the basement and send them to us.
She was Killed by Injecktion in 2020, aged 95. 
They May be Gone for Ever now....
Not Sure How Much of these Photos are Authentic but it's a Break from the Other Lies Being Told...

 

The Antarctic Ice Wall has been a restricted area, with only a few governments around the world allowed to conduct limited research.

 

 

[DaleP]

16 hours ago, alexa said:

Post by Boadicea, in 'The Crow House'

 

 

The Antarctic Ice Wall has been a restricted area, with only a few governments around the world allowed to conduct limited research.

 

 

 

I haven't watched this but since you mentioned about the iced wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmitPVR_-DY&t=254s

 

[peter]

16 hours ago, alexa said:

The Ice Wall (61 IMAGES) 1912 Cpt. Robert Scott Expedition
Edgar Reyes

My Maternal Grandfather went to the Antarctic with Scott's Crew and set up a Base Camp.
Possibly the 1912 Voyage??? as he Survived, Only to Later Succumb to a Jaw Tumour in the 1930's.

I Have been Trying to Glean Information for Years but there is No Official Crew List Available Containing his name.

I Have his Photos in Uniform and my Sister saw something on Antiques Roadshow about a Diary Found in Liverpool, England from a Crew member Recording Further Details but we can't find any More thus far from Roadshow Or Internet Sources.

My Auntie had all his writings that she Remembered Transcribing as a Young Woman and was going to Search them out from the basement and send them to us.
She was Killed by Injecktion in 2020, aged 95. 
They May be Gone for Ever now....
Not Sure How Much of these Photos are Authentic but it's a Break from the Other Lies Being Told...

What a crock, don't you think if it was his maternal grandfather he would know exactly what voyage it was?, now read the rest of the rubbish. I see FE is metastasizing again.

[alexa]

3 hours ago, peter said:

What a crock, don't you think if it was his maternal grandfather he would know exactly what voyage it was?, now read the rest of the rubbish. I see FE is metastasizing again.

 

Oops, wrong thread, I mean't to post this in the f/e thread. 

[Campion]

I was pondering the question of whether the universe in its entirety is a black hole. You can do the calculation based on current estimations of the universe's size and mass, and it comes out larger than the event horizon necessary for it to be a black hole. But the universe is expanding, and at some point in the past the density would presumably have been high enough for it to be a black hole. 

 

So by this logic, a black hole can expand out beyond its event horizon and cease being a black hole. But nothing's supposed to be able to escape from a black hole. 

 

So what's going wrong here, is it me or the standard theory? 

[peter]

1 hour ago, Campion said:

I was pondering the question of whether the universe in its entirety is a black hole. You can do the calculation based on current estimations of the universe's size and mass, and it comes out larger than the event horizon necessary for it to be a black hole. But the universe is expanding, and at some point in the past the density would presumably have been high enough for it to be a black hole. 

 

So by this logic, a black hole can expand out beyond its event horizon and cease being a black hole. But nothing's supposed to be able to escape from a black hole. 

 

So what's going wrong here, is it me or the standard theory? 

The standard theory, more and more cosmologists think the so-called red shift is simply an artifact of distance and doesn't indicate expansion at all,weather that's correct is anyone's guess

Yes the universe is a black hole,the standard theory is incorrect because the size of the proton  was was originally off by 4% however they are getting closer now to the correct size, if the universe is infinitely small and infinitely large there is no expansion, however if the universe is expanding in our neck of the woods it it may be contracting somewhere else,how would we know? also mathematically the energy inside a single proton is more than the entire observable universe by an order of 29 and if that is correct a single proton could be classified as a singularity or black whole

Much to ponder 

[Duewy]

Ah the Question that can not be fully understood 

Common points from my years of study constantly end in the same area.

The "Creator of the All" thought about what might be and that is what we are, a manifestation of the Creator's wonderment. 

Then the next question is the one that hurts the head, "Where did the Creator come from"?

I stay away from this as it always ends in just giving me a headache 

[Campion]

19 minutes ago, Duewy said:

The "Creator of the All" thought ...

 "Where did the Creator come from"?

I stay away from this as it always ends in just giving me a headache 

 

Self-reference is an endlessly fascinating arena for thinking about things. And it often results in paradox. In this case it arises because of the use of "all" , which means everything including a creator (if such an entity exists). So a creator of all creates itself too. Which is hard to explain logically. I find it easier to understand by giving up the distinction between creator and created. 

 

[peter]

Why must there be a creator @Duewy,do away with that notion and your perpetual headache is solved

[Origin]

On 12/26/2022 at 1:59 AM, Duewy said:

Then the next question is the one that hurts the head, "Where did the Creator come from"?

 

Then the next question is the one that hurts the head, "Where did the Creator come from"?

 

The first one had to develop as well. And since it is not a universe, it would certainly be interesting to find out why it has developed a unique domain. 

And why it does not let humans see actual reality. From my perspective, I find it amusing that humans worship it unconditionally. It could be a prison 

 

[The All Eye]

I think God drank a lot of beer and ate a ton of chili, which caused him to produce a huge fart that created our universe.  We are all just products of a huge fart.

[SkyBlueEyes]

Big Bang is just a Theory and Lord of the Rings is just a Story, both based on writings of people who like to entertain you with making you belive in a fantastical visions of what might have been in the distant past, in a time forgotten cause no one alive was there to see it.  But the big questions is, would the universe exist if you was not in it.. Well not for you, so, it only exists for the living, then life must be every were and it must be a testing ground were life must prevail for the universe to exist... If we consider that before i was born i was experencing the same experience as would when i die... If there is a soul it will be just energy and according to the law of conservation of energy, energy is transferable to a different location or object, but it cannot be created or destroyed. Thus a soul in it energy form will exist for an eternity, and we all know eternity is a very very long time especially near the end. Ok so if energy cannot be destroyed, the universe is mainly composed of infinite space and infinite energy and infinite time, there would be no begin, nor end but plenty of chaos inbetween when those pesky Earthling start messing with it very fabric and start white washing stars out of the sky.

 

 

Big Bang claims we caim form an infinitly small spot that suround us all and happened 13.8 billion years ago, but we find stars older than 13.8 billion years and NASA keeps going away and comming back with a new set of dates for these stars and one that i find fasinating is Methuselah Star  --->https://www.space.com/how-can-a-star-be-older-than-the-universe.html    What they rarely mention or fail to point out, is that it is a Second generation star meaning, it had a parent star that had to go super-nova to create helium in sufficent quantity for it to exist pushing it parent birth date well beyond there big band date and it is in our neighbour hood being less than 200 light years away and is also not part of our galaxy as it is Hyper velocity star heading towards us and not spiralling around the galaxy center like all the billions of other stars in our galaxy. It was around at the time of the big bang theroy and there before the propasal of the bith of the very first atoms and yet here it is, heading towards us.

Another anomolly of the big band therory is that at 13.8 billion years old and we see galaxies 13.5 billion years old in there early beginnings but there 32 billion light years away. how does light tavel faster than light for us to see them.

 

Anyways the Universe was always there...  infinety is just "+1" but for life 1 + 1 = another 1. as long as the two parent 1's are opposites you can keep adding another 1 so at  2.3 and you get growth. 2.2 and it stagnation, 2.1 your get a decline.

 

Brillant example of something that containts infinity just go stare at a manderelbrot for a few minutes/hours

Edited December 28, 2022 by SkyBlueEyes

[Grumpy Grapes]

We collectively built the universe, and inhabit it, but the memory and motive for this act has been mostly wiped from our minds. Karma keeps us attached to our creation. 

[pi3141]

On 8/23/2020 at 6:17 PM, QuodHumana said:

I think the universe was always just there, no creator, no big bang. It was just always there. And will always be there.

 

Same, except there is a creator God.

 

That's the mystery - how can it always have been and how can it go on eternally.

 

No beginning and no end.

 

And we get to stand on this rock and stare up into infinity. 

 

Miraculous.

 

 

On 8/24/2020 at 4:49 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

Well, the Big Bang is still just a 'theory'.

 

The 'theory' being that at some point in the past, there was a 'big bang' and then the universe 'expanded' and still is expanding.

 

But the question that doesn't get answered is: what caused the 'big bang'? And what was there 'before' the Big Bang?

 

And as Nassim Harriman says - what's the universe expanding into. If the Big Bang created the universe what is the Big Bang expanding into.

 

And if the universe is expanding, what's contracting. Newtonian physics states equal and opposite forces always involved, so if we're expanding, something is contracting. 

 

They say nothing existed before the Big Bang, not even time. So I ask, for how long was the universe in that state? Oh, yes, time didn't exist so even though there must have been a period of nothingness - it can't be timed.

 

It's FUBAR!

 

 

[DaleP]

This is how the Earth was created. But IF the Universe is a vaccuum.....sound doesn't travel....light or other vibration would though.

 

Sound created the landscapes.

https://youtu.be/fzMdCgYyGsU?t=153

[peter]

On 12/29/2022 at 9:24 AM, SkyBlueEyes said:

Another anomolly of the big band therory is that at 13.8 billion years old and we see galaxies 13.5 billion years old in there early beginnings but there 32 billion light years away. how does light tavel faster than light for us to see them.

My personal belief is that the big bang is indeed bull shit and the point you made above is a very good one,I will have to have a good hard think about that. The easiest explanation is the assumed date of our universe is incorrect, however in this case I don't think  Occam's razor will serve us very well

Edited March 25 by peter

[peter]

On 12/28/2022 at 3:44 AM, The All Eye said:

I think God drank a lot of beer and ate a ton of chili, which caused him to produce a huge fart that created our universe.  We are all just products of a huge fart.

Well if that's the case we've all been in the shit at some stage

Edited March 25 by peter

[peter]

On 12/29/2022 at 9:24 AM, SkyBlueEyes said:

Another anomolly of the big band therory is that at 13.8 billion years old and we see galaxies 13.5 billion years old in there early beginnings but there 32 billion light years away. how does light tavel faster than light for us to see them.

where did you get the figure of 32 billion light years up until now the following is the furthest star found which originally fell outside the age of the universe  but was later revised below is the link to the explanation as to why.

  https://www.space.com/how-can-a-star-be-older-than-the-universe.html

[Campion]

On 12/28/2022 at 11:24 PM, SkyBlueEyes said:

Another anomolly of the big band therory is that at 13.8 billion years old and we see galaxies 13.5 billion years old in there early beginnings but there 32 billion light years away. how does light tavel faster than light for us to see them.

 

According to wiki the universe has a diameter of 93 bn light years, ie a radius of 46.5 bn LY, yet it's only 13.787 bn years old. So does this mean it has expanded faster than the speed of light? To solve this problem the cosmologists created inflation which is one of the strangest concepts I've heard about. 

 

"Since the Planck epoch, space has been expanding to its present scale, with a very short but intense period of cosmic inflation speculated to have occurred within the first 10⁻³² seconds.^[41] This was a kind of expansion different from those we can see around us today. Objects in space did not physically move; instead the metric that defines space itself changed. Although objects in spacetime cannot move faster than the speed of light, this limitation does not apply to the metric governing spacetime itself. This initial period of inflation would explain why space appears to be very flat, and much larger than light could travel since the start of the universe." 

 

If science now says that the metrics which define physical reality are unstable, that's opened a huge can of worms. I don't yet understand it very well, but it looks like they're bending the rules to avoid this problem and keep their standard theory going. But at what price, once you've created this precedent how can we trust the rest of the structure? 

Edited March 25 by Campion

[alexa]

5 hours ago, Campion said:

If science now says that the metrics which define physical reality are unstable, that's opened a huge can of worms. I don't yet understand it very well, but it looks like they're bending the rules to avoid this problem and keep their standard theory going. But at what price, once you've created this precedent how can we trust the rest of the structure?

 

Very True - It's not the Universe that is expanding it is the earth - see my thread 'Embryonic Earth'.

 

A thousand years for us is but a day for God, so I'll let you do the math's for how old the universe & earth is.

[Campion]

4 hours ago, alexa said:

 

Very True - It's not the Universe that is expanding it is the earth - see my thread 'Embryonic Earth'.

 

A thousand years for us is but a day for God, so I'll let you do the math's for how old the universe & earth is.

 

Well I don't know about God. But according to relativity there's no absolute perspective, space-time is all about the pov of the observer. So perhaps it's not possible to have a pov of the whole universe, as it has no outside.  

[Campion]

1 hour ago, Campion said:

So perhaps it's not possible to have a pov of the whole universe, as it has no outside.  

 

And before anyone beats me to it, I realise the trap here, because if there's no outside then there's no inside either. So I can't say if it even makes sense to talk about the absolute age of the whole universe. Only the age of parts of the universe, seen from our relative pov here on Earth in 2023.