QuodHumana Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I think the universe was always just there, no creator, no big bang. It was just always there. And will always be there. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I've often thought the same thing, but it doesn't explain how everything is moving away from a specific point. Anyway you look at it, existence is unfathomable to the human mind. It will always ask who made it, what was there before, who made that etc. It is very hard to get to the inevitable "it must always have been there". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuodHumana Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 To further expand on my explanation, everything that happens, is just a result of how it works. And infinite number of possibilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Well, the Big Bang is still just a 'theory'. The 'theory' being that at some point in the past, there was a 'big bang' and then the universe 'expanded' and still is expanding. But the question that doesn't get answered is: what caused the 'big bang'? And what was there 'before' the Big Bang? Take 'black holes' as the polar opposite. Matter gets sucked into them due to immense gravitational forces. So what happens to that matter that gets 'reduced' within a black hole? It has to go somewhere. Perhaps the 'other side' of a black hole is a new universe going through it's own 'big bang'? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said: Well, the Big Bang is still just a 'theory'. The 'theory' being that at some point in the past, there was a 'big bang' and then the universe 'expanded' and still is expanding. But the question that doesn't get answered is: what caused the 'big bang'? And what was there 'before' the Big Bang? Take 'black holes' as the polar opposite. Matter gets sucked into them due to immense gravitational forces. So what happens to that matter that gets 'reduced' within a black hole? It has to go somewhere. Perhaps the 'other side' of a black hole is a new universe going through it's own 'big bang'? The thing about matter as it is labelled is that nothing that makes it up is solid. None of the atoms or the subatomic particles including - quarks, leptons, fermions etc. have anything within them except movement. There's no teeny piece of "something" solid at the heart of them. So basically everything you see is simply movement. If you google "what is a subatomic particle made of" - nobody will actually answer it. They just give all sorts of variants of particles within an atom but never explain what the actual particle itself is made of. It's made of nothing. Just movement. Example: What is a lepton made of? "In particle physics, a lepton is an elementary particle of half-integer spin (spin ¹⁄₂) that does not undergo strong interactions. Two main classes of leptons exist, charged leptons (also known as the electron-like leptons), and neutral leptons (better known as neutrinos). Charged leptons can combine with other particles to form various composite particles such as atoms and positronium, while neutrinos rarely interact with anything, and are consequently rarely observed. The best known of all leptons is the electron." Okie dokie. What's it actually made of though? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 God of course.............. How else ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Owl Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, alexa said: God of course.............. How else ? How did he do it though, and why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethel Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 6:17 PM, QuodHumana said: I think the universe was always just there, no creator, no big bang. It was just always there. And will always be there. If I had to pick something I wanted to be true about the Universe, it would be this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 What we call the universe ... what we are referring to ... is actually a type of consciousness, quite a low one, where human beings naturally when they wake up in the morning. When you wake up you are put into a particular type of consciousness that revolves around "material objects" meaning identifiable phenomena outside of you. The universe is old and it has been seeking ... something. The life forms on this planet have grown from a primordial soup ... life without a cell wall .. and that went on for a long time... but the development of the cell wall created cells that had protection around them and from that multi-cellular life forms and larger and larger creatures with more advanced abilities ... these larger creatures are actually structures that refine higher types of energy. There is one arrow of growth from all those creatures, although some rise and fall the arrow is always pointing up. Out there in the universe entropy and time is decaying everything, and against that endless movement of decay ... a counter movement of rising consciousness. Until it becomes self-realised meaning existence discovers existence via a creature, or an individuated consciousness. There are apparently "other places" apart from this universe where other types of creatures are born and live. Angles for instance are supposedly a different type of creature that has much less individuality than us. All this discussion is very far away from ordinary human discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said: How did he do it though, and why? also which one.....if i can chose out of the countless list,i say Odin or Thor(you know the ones with balls ) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said: Well, the Big Bang is still just a 'theory'. The 'theory' being that at some point in the past, there was a 'big bang' and then the universe 'expanded' and still is expanding. But the question that doesn't get answered is: what caused the 'big bang'? And what was there 'before' the Big Bang? Take 'black holes' as the polar opposite. Matter gets sucked into them due to immense gravitational forces. So what happens to that matter that gets 'reduced' within a black hole? It has to go somewhere. Perhaps the 'other side' of a black hole is a new universe going through it's own 'big bang'? I had a thought a while back that this is similar to fission and fusion reactions. Matter and anti matter. Fission energy creates a bang (nuclear in grand scale) and the matter / anti matter is split. The immense pressure within a black hole creates a fusion reaction and 're fuses the two matter types out the other side which obviously stuck this side of the black hole we can't comprehend. The energy to create fission and this universe is far less than the fusion. The energy released by the fusion reaction would be incredible. And why this reality is just a shade of the other reality. Does this make sense to anyone? Edited August 24, 2020 by kj35 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 16 hours ago, alexa said: God of course.............. How else ? Who made god? It is the same principle as the OP, only without the magic sky wizard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) I don't agree with the big bang. I think the galaxies are created randomly and sporadically and all galaxies are spinning and moving across the universe in different direction. Also I think planets form out of suns and moons form out of planets. I have no theory as to how suns form or why they form. I also think planets and moons and suns are all increasing in size unless they are dying or dead. Planets and moons increase in size using a form of planetary photosynthesis. They convert the suns energy in to matter and split at the rifts where new magma forms new land. This can be observed on Earth and other planets in our solar system. Watch the short film series by famous animator Neal Adams below on the topic. He also explains why he thinks dinosaurs went extinct, which I also think is the best explanation I have heard. How else can we explain what has been observed galaxies impacting each other. Planets in different stages of development and of course suns of different sizes. Edited August 25, 2020 by SimonTV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbirss Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I think it all started, when Awareness became Aware of itself o.O 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 10 hours ago, shabbirss said: I think it all started, when Awareness became Aware of itself o.O I think this simple explanation is correct. Awareness, consciousness, god and the universe started with a single thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allymisfit Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 This question had boggled me since childhood. I think about it regularly and I still cannot fathom it.. Why? What's the purpose in general existence? Who are we? Where are we, where are we heading. Where did other forces come from to exist in the first place? I had to drop those questions in the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 It's just a thought!!! I know it sounds crazy but could the Universe be a giant cosmic egg, the Micro & the Macro ? Earth and all of us are the yoke which is surrounded by the albumin. Is this egg in incubation getting ready to hatch when earth & us has reached It's growth time. Or could the Universe be an impregnated womb? Is this the reason the Uni-verse & earth have expanded. Are we the cells inside God, are we his growth ? And is he getting ready to be born which will be the end of the world as we know it when the sky/dome/firmament cracks open ? Just a thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/24/2020 at 10:45 PM, Carlos said: I've often thought the same thing, but it doesn't explain how everything is moving away from a specific point. Anyway you look at it, existence is unfathomable to the human mind. It will always ask who made it, what was there before, who made that etc. It is very hard to get to the inevitable "it must always have been there". Maybe everything is moving away from us is what we observe in our neck of the woods this may not be the case in another part of the universe , also our galaxy and the ones in our immediate area are all traveling to one particular point known as the great attractor 2 hours ago, alexa said: Just a thought! I had one also ,how come the picture you put up was of a globe earth (couldn't resist sorry) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 When I was kid when I believed in space, I used to wonder what was after the Universe, how can space go on for ever and ever, whats at the end of the universe ....... this really used to puzzle me until they taught me about this stupid notion of the big bang theory & other galaxies which put my inquiring mind to rest or so I thought............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 10:17 AM, QuodHumana said: I think the universe was always just there, no creator, no big bang. It was just always there. And will always be there. the universe was created, it is here all around us as evidence as citizens of the universe we cannot know anything about the creator(s) the creators were not part of the creation just as a sculptor is not part of a statue the universe is infinite no beginning and no end every possible thing is happening forever not to be confused with individuality things are not infinite but the energy they are made of is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 8/24/2020 at 5:45 AM, Carlos said: I've often thought the same thing, but it doesn't explain how everything is moving away from a specific point. the hubble constant does not exist Halton Arp explains the true nature of red-shift red-shift is intrinsic to the observed system it is based on the conditions of the local plasma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 8/24/2020 at 8:49 AM, Grumpy Owl said: But the question that doesn't get answered is: what caused the 'big bang'? Take 'black holes' as the polar opposite. there is zero evidence for a "big bang" observations of the universe regularly disprove it black holes are a mathematical construct even then, the maths are incomplete or contradictory at the center of every galaxy is a 'plasmoid' they are caused by a 'z-pinch' along interstellar plasma filaments they are a force of creation, not destruction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 8/24/2020 at 11:59 AM, rideforever said: What we call the universe ... what we are referring to ... is actually a type of consciousness, quite a low one, the universal consciousness is the Mind the Mind contains all information Mind is the parent of our individual mind each of us can access it as our ability allows this is the way of the mystic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 3:48 AM, Carlos said: Who made god? man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killing raven sun Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 4:52 PM, SimonTV said: He also explains why he thinks dinosaurs went extinct, the dinosaurs, and others, went extinct when the 'paradise machine' was destroyed during the time of the megalithic structures gravity was reduced the careful arrangement of the planets in the solar system was the cause Earth was within the cocoon of the 'superior sun', what we call Saturn the plasma discharge from Saturn bathed the Earth in a constant red glow there were no seasons, no day or night, no weather the Earth was a perfect greenhouse, a paradise as such, the flora and fauna grew very large and was abundant when the 'paradise machine' was destroyed, everything changed we lost our red cocoon, gravity increased and the sun began blasting us disaster struck everywhere on Earth, as evidenced in the layering of the fossils most life that survived was extinguished by higher gravity and solar radiation/cosmic rays contrary to evolutionists claims, mutation is always bad, usually fatal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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