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On 11/30/2020 at 12:34 PM, Traveller said:

 

It's the introduction on the video. I thought I'd post it so folk could decide for themselves. The article above contains truths, half truth and too many faklsehoods to mention. The quote is also edited. The Notebook which it's from was a different book in that it contained the mystical side of his life. Better really, and more constructive, to point out exactly what is wrong with the words.

 

Leadbeater was indeed a man of questionable character though K claimed, contrary to the article, that no funny sexual buisness ever occurred with him. Also, it states there numerous "trained" messiahs. There was one other. CWL and Besant had been told to look for a vehicle so they did. The first boy was set aside when K was seen. Regardless of character, Leadbeater likely was able to view auras and selfishness has colours. K had none unlike anyone else he'd ever seen so it became obvious to him that he was the vehicle. Also stated in the video and portrayed differently in the article.

 

From what I can tell, it was not possible to train or influence K in any way. Vacancy was something that remained his whole life. He says in the video that Theosophy and all that jargon never touched him. Critique his words by all means. I think that's fair

 

 

the theosophists were like any other religion/cult...rank and file believers controlled by the crooks at the top...K was a big disappointment to the TS , as was rudolf steiner ;

they wanted K to be the reincarnation of JC and rudolf to be the reincarnation of john the baptist. So , the globalists' big attempt in the C20 international religion , was

a decided flop. Rudolf told them to fcuk off and he started his own group .Those blue books by Bailey are globalist doctrine , especially The  Externalisation of the Hierarchy.

K was right , why would you ever need some guy in bed sheets with a dot on his head,  to tell you do do anything ?...everybody has to learn to be their own authority.

Look at the root of that word...auto = self. You are either self-directed or you are somebody's slave. You only have to see what the fabian champagne socialists teach at 

the loonyversities these days , to know how these sheeple think. Check out the Leipzig Model of Education...ref...john taylor gatto.

If you want to find the fundament of the source of reality , go and look in the fukn mirror and WTFU. Cheers.

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On 11/29/2020 at 9:25 PM, oz93666 said:

 

Exactly ...His "solutions" are no solutions .... How is "self enquiry" going to get people out of the covid trap most are in ??   ...I suppose the goal is to over come fear ? No! Fear is a sensible response to the prospect of being forcibly injected with nanochips which will turn you into a cyborg! Fear is your biology's way of getting your attention ... Telling you urgent action is required to stay alive . 

 

 

Man is a divine being , pure ..... External influence from the dark spirit realm is the cause of problems , along with ET/Cabal electronic mind control....

 

You have made it abundantly clear you are not actually familar with his teachings & are speaking from other people ill informed opinions.

 

You suppose wrong.

 

Your comprehension of fear is far too limited. There are rational fears - which you could put down to a biological response (which we share with animals). But more importantly there are far more irrational fears that plague humanity - the cause of which stems from the mental & a misunderstanding/misidenftification of who/what you actually are (animals do not have this)

 

In regards to man being "pure" - that might sound good - but in reality is false. If one is truly "pure" no amount of external dark influence can cause him any problems. Meditate on on that.

 

There most certainly is purity within Man. But he also has a very real shadow side (see Carl Jung) that too many want to avert & not own - & so it manifests externally.

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41 minutes ago, ThunderFace said:

If one is truly "pure" no amount of external dark influence can cause him any problems. Meditate on on that.

 

Something/someone which is "pure" can certainly be rendered inpure by external effects ... If you have pure sugar in a bowl and add salt this happens...

 

Our natural state is divine , dark spirit corruption messes us up and this starts at birth 

 

41 minutes ago, ThunderFace said:

Man. But he also has a very real shadow side (see Carl Jung) that too many want to avert & not own - & so it manifests externally.

 

This is the big lie that cabal pushes ... Christianity tells us we are inherently sinful ....  Psychoanalysis tells us we have a "Dark Side" ...

 

Depraved acts done by humans are due to dark spirt possession ...90% of us have spirit attachments sabotaging our lives , these have been observed by those who can travel the astral planes , see the work of Pane Andov , Andrew Bartzis , George Kavassillas , Karl Mollison and others 

Don't confuse these dark spirits with the reptilians who also oppress us by  political means . Reptilians are physical ET's who are also corrupted by dark spirit influence.

 

Pane Andov in his youth                              and Now 

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Jung is Freud light . He was Freud's student and only deviated slightly from his doctrine ... The cabal have to give what appears to be a choice . They know many will not accept Freuds sick world view , so they allow new agey Jung , with his tarot and archetypes and fake mysticism ... But the core message from Jung is the same as Freud's ... That Man is sic and has a dark side.

 

In reality Man is Divine but under attack  

 

Many on this forum see the physical attack (covid etc) ... but there is also an attack from another dimension, influencing our personal lives , effecting  our decisions , pushing us to lose our temper , psychic  mind influence .. ( that's in addition to technological mind influence , 5G working with ingested nano chips) 

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4 hours ago, notta govt zombie said:

the theosophists were like any other religion/cult...rank and file believers controlled by the crooks at the top...K was a big disappointment to the TS , as was rudolf steiner ;

they wanted K to be the reincarnation of JC and rudolf to be the reincarnation of john the baptist. So , the globalists' big attempt in the C20 international religion , was

a decided flop. Rudolf told them to fcuk off and he started his own group .Those blue books by Bailey are globalist doctrine , especially The  Externalisation of the Hierarchy.

K was right , why would you ever need some guy in bed sheets with a dot on his head,  to tell you do do anything ?...everybody has to learn to be their own authority.

Look at the root of that word...auto = self. You are either self-directed or you are somebody's slave. You only have to see what the fabian champagne socialists teach at 

the loonyversities these days , to know how these sheeple think. Check out the Leipzig Model of Education...ref...john taylor gatto.

If you want to find the fundament of the source of reality , go and look in the fukn mirror and WTFU. Cheers.

 

Theosophy isn't needed so we move on. Yeah, Leadbeater said the World Teacher thing had gone wrong. Obviously because K denied their hiearchy and Leabeater didn't like that. Still, K was well fed, had is teeth strasightened etc bla. Physical needs were taken care of and they couldn't touch his mind so their nonesense didn't matter. K was in a poor state when they found him so needed looking after on a physical level. Besant didn't turn her back on K ever so if she's Theosophy then not all did. But it wouldn't have mattered if they had.

 

I'm no Theosophist and had no time for Bailey. You say K was right and I agree in part. We are our own teachers. He likened himself, in one instance, to be a telephone ha. You can use it but you don't worship it or put it on a pedestal. All authority is corrupt in the sense of being above us. Difference between function and authority though.

 

If I read something by K and understand it, it is my understanding and therefore I have taught myself. I could not deny that on my own, I wouldn't have gotten that understanding but it was still me that allowed myself to teach myself. That's the difference. Not that we don't need to be exposed to that intelligence. It would be better if we didn't but apparently we do as it's a bit of a mess round these ere parts eh.

 

I'm not sure if you've even heard the teachings? What is about them that grates, if you have?

 

Waking up is certainly on the agenda. Thanks for the advice on how to do it though I reckon I'll be looking a while and I aint as pretty as I once was. Get the feeling none of us are awake. Had a quick look at the Leipzig thing. Not sure how that factors in? Thanks to you too :)

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Can truth be found through another?
 
Question: You say that gurus are unnecessary, but how can I find truth without the wise help and guidance which only a guru can give?
 
Jiddu Krishnamurti: The question is whether a guru is necessary or not. Can truth be found through another? Some say it can and some say it cannot. We want to know the truth of this, not my opinion as against the opinion of another. I have no opinion in this matter. Either it is so or it is not. Whether it is essential that you should or should not have a guru is not a quest1on of opinion. The truth of the matter is not dependent on opinion, however profound, erudite, popular, universal. The truth of the matter is to be found out, in fact.
 
First of all, why do we want a guru? We say we need a guru because we are confused and the guru is helpful; he will point out what truth is, he will help us to understand, he knows much more about life than we do, he will act as a father, as a teacher to instruct us in life; he has vast experience and we have but little; he will help us through his greater experience and so on and on. That is, basically, you go to a teacher because you are confused. If you were clear, you would not go near a guru.
 
Obviously if you were profoundly happy, if there were no problems, if you understood life completely, you would not go to any guru. I hope you see the significance of this. Because you are confused, you seek out a teacher. You go to him to give you a way of life to clarify your own confusion, to find truth. You choose your guru because you are confused and you hope he will give you what you ask. That is you choose a guru who will satisfy your demand; you choose according to the gratification he will give you and your choice is dependent on your gratification.
 
You do not choose a guru who says, ''Depend on yourself; you choose him according to your prejudices. So since you choose your guru according to the gratification he gives you, you are not seeking truth but a way out of confusion; and the way out of confusion is mistakenly called truth.
 
Let us examine first this idea that a guru can clear up our confusion. Can anyone clear up our confusion? - confusion being the product of our responses. We have created it. Do you think someone else has created it - this misery, this battle at all levels of existence, within and without? It is the result of our own lack of knowledge of ourselves. It is because we do not understand ourselves, our conflicts, our responses, our miseries, that we go to a guru whom we think will help us to be free of that confusion.
 
We can understand ourselves only in relationship to the present; and that relationship itself is the guru not someone outside. If I do not understand that relationship, whatever a guru may say is useless, because if I do not understand relationship, my relationship to property, to people, to ideas, who can resolve the conflict within me? To resolve that conflict, I must understand it myself, which means I must be aware of myself in relationship. To be aware, no guru is necessary. If I do not know myself, of what use is a guru? As a political leader is chosen by those who are in confusion and whose choice therefore is also confused, so I choose a guru. I can choose him only according to my confusion; hence he, like the political leader, is confused.
 
What is important is not who is right - whether I am right or whether those are right who say a guru is necessary; to find out why you need a guru is important. Gurus exist for exploitation of various kinds, but that is irrelevant. It gives you satisfaction if someone tells you how you are progressing, but to find out why you need a guru - there lies the key. Another can point out the way but you have to do all the work, even if you have a guru. Because you do not want to face that, you shift the responsibility to the guru.
 
The guru becomes useless when there is a particle of self-knowledge. No guru, no book or scripture, can give you self-knowledge: it comes when you are aware of yourself in relationship. To be, is to be related; not to understand relationship is misery, strife. Not to be aware of your relationship to property is one of the causes of confusion. If you do not know your right relationship to property there is bound to be conflict, which increases the conflict in society.
 
If you do not understand the relationship between yourself and your wife, between yourself and your child, how can another resolve the conflict arising out of that relationship? Similarly with ideas, beliefs and so on. Being confused in your relationship with people, with property, with ideas, you seek a guru. If he is a real guru, he will tell you to understand yourself. You are the source of all misunderstanding and confusion; and you can resolve that conflict only when you understand yourself in relationship.
 
You cannot find truth through anybody else. How can you? Truth is not something static; it has no fixed abode; it is not an end, a goal. On the contrary, it is living, dynamic, alert, alive. How can it be an end? If truth is a fixed point it is no longer truth; it is then a mere opinion. Truth is the unknown, and a mind that is seeking truth will never find it, for mind is made up of the known, it is the result of the past, the outcome of time - which you can observe for yourself. Mind is the instrument of the known, hence it cannot find the unknown; it can only move from the known to the known.
 
When the mind seeks truth, the truth it has read about in books, that 'truth' is self-projected; for then the mind is merely in pursuit of the known, a more satisfactory known than the previous one. When the mind seeks truth, it is seeking its own self-projection, not truth. After all, an ideal is self-projected; it is fictitious, unreal. What is real is what is, not the opposite. But a mind that is seeking reality, seeking God, is seeking the known. When you think of God, your God is the projection of your own thought, the result of social influences. You can think only of the known; you cannot think of the unknown, you cannot concentrate on truth.
 
The moment you think of the unknown, it is merely the self-projected known. God or truth cannot be thought about. If you think about it, it is not truth. Truth cannot be sought: it comes to you. You can go only after what is known. When the mind is not tortured by the known, by the effects of the known, then only can truth reveal itself. Truth is in every leaf, in every tear; it is to be known from moment to moment. No one can lead you to truth; and if anyone leads you, it can only be to the known.
 
Truth can only come to the mind that is empty of the known. It comes in a state in which the known is absent, not functioning. The mind is the warehouse of the known, the residue of the known; for the mind to be in that state in which the unknown comes into being, it must be aware of itself, of its previous experiences, the conscious as well as the unconscious, of its responses, reactions, and structure. When there is complete self-knowledge, then there is the ending of the known, then the mind is completely empty of the known. It is only then that truth can come to you uninvited.
 
Truth does not belong to you or to me. You cannot worship it. The moment it is known, it is unreal. The symbol is not real, the image is not real; but when there is the understanding of self, the cessation of self, then eternity comes into being.
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1 hour ago, Traveller said:
Can truth be found through another?

 

OK .... A question we can get our teeth into ! .... K answers it very sloppily .... rambling and imprecise ....

 

First of all there 's an imperfection in the question ... you cannot talk abstractly about "truth" ....TRUTH about WHAT??? 

 

But generally YES truth can be taught by another ....

 

If you want to know the truth about the structure of matter , then you go ask a physicist .. and he will explain what current understanding is and what experimental evidence has led to this "truth" ... all the time being aware the "truth" about matter  is expanding and developing , but at the moment the best we know is there are 92 different atoms all with a small central nucleus ...etc 

 

If you want to know the truth about non physical dimensions , then you ask the experts on the subject .. people who journey there , Astral travelers . They will tell you their experiences and conclusions they have arrived at about the "truths" that govern  these realms 

 

So you must always seek out the experts who have put in time and effort in the specific area of interest , whether it's conspiracy , carpentry , electronics ........

 

" Guru " is a teacher of Yoga ... that is the definition of the word .... HE can teach YOGA .... But some people make the mistake in thinking such people are 'enlightened' know everything and can  tell you how to run your life ... a big error! 

 

So what can K teach ??? He doesn't do Yoga ... Doesn't do anything , just a lot of rambling words , like Osho or Watts . They can teach you nothing about the truth of anything .

 

 

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1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

OK .... A question we can get our teeth into ! .... K answers it very sloppily .... rambling and imprecise ....

 

The truth about our pchological confusion, angers, hatred and the like. Why are humans in so much inward conflict? That seems pretty clear and not at all abstract. K would not deny that practical knowledge, or truth as you put it, is indeed necessary.

 

1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

" Guru " is a teacher of Yoga ... that is the definition of the word .... HE can teach YOGA .... But some people make the mistake in thinking such people are 'enlightened' know everything and can  tell you how to run your life ... a big error! 

 

Where did you find that meaning of the word? Generally, it refers to dispeller of darkness- In Sanskrit, guru means literally dispeller of darkness. I've never heard it referred to as a yoga teacher. Either or, here the meaning we're attributing is obvious. If you wish to be pedantic, do so, but it doesn't alter the quote's meaning, obviously.

 

1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

If you want to know the truth about non physical dimensions , then you ask the experts on the subject .. people who journey there , Astral travelers . They will tell you their experiences and conclusions they have arrived at about the "truths" that govern  these realms 

 

I've watched a few of Monroe's videos. Thought they were interesting. Some of it seemed true. For me, it does not hold any value. My interest is to end my inward conflict. I'm not saying no one should find any value in it though. Just like when we seek out a guru, or spiritual authority if that's a better way of describing it, we seek according to our desires and predjudices. Unless someone has set all that aside, physical wold reality aside (and that can be disagreed on), then how can anyone know that what he sees is not a projection of those predjuduces and desires? I would say that often they probably aren't but also that you can see only according to your limitations. But this all by the by. Have these astral travelling experts ended their inward conflict?

 

1 hour ago, oz93666 said:

So what can K teach ??? He doesn't do Yoga ... Doesn't do anything , just a lot of rambling words , like Osho or Watts . They can teach you nothing about the truth of anything .

 

K did yoga daily when he was alive. Showed a few moves to a few friends but was not a teacher of it. I wouldn't put Osho or Watts in the same category but you're free to.

 

So which are the rambling words?

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11 hours ago, Traveller said:

 

The truth about our pchological confusion, angers, hatred and the like. Why are humans in so much inward conflict? That seems pretty clear and not at all abstract. K would not deny that practical knowledge, or truth as you put it, is indeed necessary.

 

I believe truth about this comes from observations of the astral travelers ... They tell us they see malevolent spirits entering people and messing with them ... it starts in infancy . It's why babies are crying so much , they're being tormented and the spirits feed off their energy , these same spirits feast on war suffering , they infest the ET who control things here and work with them to create conflict on a mass scale and in out heads This creates their food. The work of Karl Mollison explains it all best ...  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg18_LahHDHQZi7LYGbkS3Q/videos 

 

11 hours ago, Traveller said:

Where did you find that meaning of the word? Generally, it refers to dispeller of darkness- In Sanskrit, guru means literally dispeller of darkness. I've never heard it referred to as a yoga teacher. Either or, here the meaning we're attributing is obvious. If you wish to be pedantic, do so, but it doesn't alter the quote's meaning, obviously.

 

 

That's the definition I remembered ... Search shows you are correct , the meaning has slipped a bit because nobody want's to do anything these days , and people like K encourage this notion people just sit and listen and perhaps think and talk , but do nothing , and they think they're progressing. 100 years ago this was not allowed , it was understood you had to practice Yoga ! So a serious enquirer sought out a Yoga Master and accepted him as his "Guru"  ... A search does still find the original meaning ..

 

What is a guru in yoga?
A guru is a teacher who imparts to you insights or revelations about Yoga. A guru may also give you a method to practice so that you may realize for yourself the truth of those revelations. For someone to be your guru you must acknowledge him or her as such.
 
11 hours ago, Traveller said:

 

So which are the rambling words?

 

Let's look at the last sentence from the passage you posted ... I assume these are K's words? ....

 

"Truth does not belong to you or to me. You cannot worship it. The moment it is known, it is unreal. The symbol is not real, the image is not real; but when there is the understanding of self, the cessation of self, then eternity comes into being..."

 

This is typical of the sort of rubbish these people spout ... it explains nothing , teaches nothing ..

"The moment (truth) is known , it is unreal" ...what the fuck does that mean??? 

 

I'm reminded of the story told by an Osho devotee in her autobiography ... She finally left the movement ,  still was seeking and went to enroll  with a therapist/councilor   ... At the first session the therapist invited her to talk about her life ...

" Well for the past 10 years I've been privileged  to live in an ashram close to an enlightened Master (Osho) " she said ...

"That's wonderful" said the therapist ," He must have taught you many things . What did he teach you? " ...

The woman opened her mouth , but nothing came out , she was just blank ... She said at that moment I realized I had learnt nothing , it was all a fraud.

 

 

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On 8/22/2020 at 4:35 AM, oz93666 said:

Excellent Article Mr H .... Old lead-beater the pedo  went out to India , looking for boys to molest and turn into Gurus ....

 

"Leadbeater ran a sort of Messiah factory, comparable to a Hollywood star studio or a pop hit factory. He would identify a young man as a possible ‘vehicle’ for the World Teacher’s spirit, take over his education and groom him for the role. Groom in all senses of the word.

One Theosophist noted:

In six months he would transform even an ignorant street boy into a charming well-mannered gentleman. One could see the change almost daily, making the face of an ordinary boy into that of an angel.

The parents were  happy to go along with this ...."

 

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I notice the author of this article also takes a swipe at Alan Watts .....

 

"And so, rather like Alan Watts, he had to keep on performing, keep on talking and talking. Trapped in a public role, dissociated from his own loneliness and pain, he chose the worship of fans over the genuine love of friends and family."

 

I agree ...Alan Watts is a transparent idiot , but  many do like him , including DI ...

Not to be confused with Alan Watt ... who is quiet brilliant IMHO 

 

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This is very likely where Hitler, the illegitimate son of a Rothschild, came from.

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On 12/1/2020 at 5:04 AM, rooey said:

inquiry is a good way of keeping fear out of the mind, instead of responding with fear, respond with inquisitiveness 

 

Did you mean inquisitiveness?

 

It sounds absurd but we have been fed belief since young...this and that is dangerous...according to the history.

Obviously don't try this at home but it makes me think if poison like mercury, 5G is how you define poison that it becomes poison?

You could say making Mercury solid is a hoax but he goes on to say yogi carries a piece of mercury etc.

 

 

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On 12/2/2020 at 1:39 AM, oz93666 said:

I'm reminded of the story told by an Osho devotee in her autobiography ... She finally left the movement ,  still was seeking and went to enroll  with a therapist/councilor   ... At the first session the therapist invited her to talk about her life ...

" Well for the past 10 years I've been privileged  to live in an ashram close to an enlightened Master (Osho) " she said ...

"That's wonderful" said the therapist ," He must have taught you many things . What did he teach you? " ...

The woman opened her mouth , but nothing came out , she was just blank ... She said at that moment I realized I had learnt nothing , it was all a fraud.

 

I think she's wrong.

She did learn. Do you get it? It took her 10 years to realise though. But sometimes it's like that. You get married and 10 years down the road you realise, your OH is a fraud.

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1 hour ago, perpetual said:

 

Did you mean inquisitiveness?

 

It sounds absurd but we have been fed belief since young...this and that is dangerous...according to the history.

Obviously don't try this at home but it makes me think if poison like mercury, 5G is how you define poison that it becomes poison?

You could say making Mercury solid is a hoax but he goes on to say yogi carries a piece of mercury etc.

 

 




yes that's what was mentioned  

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4 hours ago, perpetual said:

.....poison like mercury, 5G is how you define poison that it becomes poison?

You could say making Mercury solid is a hoax but he goes on to say yogi carries a piece of mercury etc.

 

I consider myself a yogi , been practicing for many decades , masters can bend the parameters of physical reality , levitate , be in two places at once , dematerialize ...

But the "Yogi" in that video is a fraud  ...That is not mercury , but Gallium ...it melts at 30C and behaves just as in the video .. 

Gallium is much less dense and much cheaper 

 

 

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