Guest Gone Fishing... Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 CRIMEBODGE, in his own words ; My name is Rob Warner and I am a legal advisor and author of ‘Take on the Police and Win’. I set up the Crimebodge website in 2012 to offer advice and services to those who suffer abuses of authority at the hands of the police. Background In 2012, my home was invaded by two officers from Derbyshire constabulary, due to a groundless complaint made by a vindictive neighbour. When I complained about the two officers they fabricated an allegation against me and made a malicious referral to the local authority. It was done purely out of spite for my daring to have complained about them. For a detailed account of that story and how the website began, you can read the full story here. https://crimebodge.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 He has an extensive and hilarious yewtube channel; Crimebodge https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUSL8poMxM_uXWzWExJaY-w/featured One of his latest; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaticWorld Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 No reactions left, but I'm bumping for visibility. Not seen much of his stuff, but I have seen enough to be able to appreciate his work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 57 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said: Not seen much of his stuff, but I have seen enough to be able to appreciate his work. He does all sorts. Funny. Informational And deadly serious.. l absolutely love his tone of voice :O) Videos - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUSL8poMxM_uXWzWExJaY-w/videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR-E Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 crimebodge has some excellent info seems well thought of as well & often referenced to for legal advice when the PINAC (photography is not a crime) auditors are seeking legal redress for police & security wrong doings. I would also recommend watching some of the auditing videos carried out by photographers legally filming in public places & the controversy it attracts from police & public officials. Also for anyone unsure of their rights when confronted by police in respect of giving personal details etc some excellent knowledge can be learnt . Especially helpful for any anti maskers faced with possible police bullying for details to issue a fine . UNDERSTANDING OUR RIGHTS & HAVING THE CONFIDENCE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE RIGHTS against the police is essential in my opinion . one of the best uk auditors ive seen is focus pocus he handles the encounters & shows the police up for what they are & they hate it . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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- TZC - Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I love bodge and haven't seen the newest so goodies I wanted a simple thumbs up but I hope you like fries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020member Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) To throw a spanner in the works i’m not a fan of his. Although sometimes warranted... he tends to only attack the foot soldiers of the police relentlessly. People who often put themselves in harms way every single day, with little thought for their own wellbeing to save others. I totally understand the police tend to only go for low hanging fruit, by that I mean; traffic matters, penalising the most vulnerable members of society and only scratching the surface of crimes that really matter. Crimebodge tends to attack and berate those who are in the impossible position of trying to keep law and order. He tars them all with the same brush and often spits complete venom. I wish he’d put as much time and effort into arguing the odds over a wayward traffic stop, as others do in raising the extreme corruption that goes right to the core of this government and the cabal. Rotherham, rochdale... the royals... parliamentary pedophilia.. 7/7 ... COVID.. things that really need the passion of a self confessed lawyer. I’m aware I sound like an armchair critic. But in my opinion crimebodge goes for the low hanging fruit of bumbling police mistakes and at best misguided faux pas of legislation designed not to be understood by the average foot soldier. Edited August 17, 2020 by 2020member 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, 2020member said: To throw a spanner in the works i’m not a fan of his. He didn't pick his role / position......it picked him, with the help of 2 totally corrupt female coppers, who not only violated his rights but fabricated reports that got Social Services involved with his kid. Until then he had a very 'normal' view of Coppers. Full story; There is a lot of curiosity surrounding the history and purpose of this site, as well as questions regarding who I am and how I am qualified to offer legal advice. What follows is the story of what motivated me to create this website. * * * It was July 4th 2012 when I received that fateful knock at the door. Up until then, I was, like most people, fairly clueless about the police. I trusted them and respected them. Throughout my life, and growing up in north London, I had both good and bad experiences with them. Nothing that would taint my overall opinion of them. I subscribed to the belief that they did a difficult job and were only interested in going after the bad guys. My collision with the truth was going to be a hard one… I was expecting builders that day, so when I opened the door and saw two female police officers scowling at me, I was taken aback. Their names – as if I would ever forget – were P.C Kate Bradbury 14174 and pc Samantha O’key 3427. “We’ve had a report there’s been a disturbance,” one of them said. “There’s been no disturbance. I’m here alone.” “Apparently you were heard shouting at someone at this address.” Then it clicked. Earlier that morning I’d had a brief argument on the doorstep with my partner about my daughter getting to school late. It had lasted all of a few minutes with us exchanging sour words as she got into a waiting cab. Nothing deserving of police attention, surely? “Can we come in?” “What for?” I said. “I’ve done nothing wrong and there’s no-one here.” Both officers looked at me as if I was something they’d just stepped in. “What happened earlier?” “I just told you, nothing.” But they weren’t listening. They peered over my shoulder into my empty house and resumed their questioning. I asked them who had made the report but they refused to say. It didn’t take much to work out: the next door neighbour. She had a score to settle because I’d reported her to the local authority just a few weeks earlier, unwittingly sparking a neighbour war. By arguing on the doorstep I’d given her the opportunity for revenge she was looking for. I explained to the officers that the call was vindictive, nothing had occurred and there was no cause for alarm. But they just regarded me with cold contempt. I had refused to let them into my home and for that they had taken offence. ‘Why wouldn’t I just let them in if I had done nothing wrong?’ For the same reason I wouldn’t allow any cold caller – least of all a government employee – to go marching through my home. Besides which, I resented having two arrogant police officers stood on my doorstep showing outward hostility and suspicion, disbelieving anything I said, while taking the faceless allegations of an anonymous third party as the truth. Meanwhile, my neighbour was probably peering through the curtains enjoying the show. Two cops bursting into my home would be the icing on the cake for her. So it was a matter of upholding my pride as much as upholding my rights. My resistance was fruitless. I could have closed the door on them at any time and if I had, my life would have taken on a very different course. Instead, I stood there trying to appeal to a sense of reason they didn’t possess until they abruptly barged open my door, pushed me aside and marched into my home. I knew better than to try to stop them. They proceeded to search every room in the house. Badly I might add. The search lacked enthusiasm and was nothing else but a show of force, rather than a genuine concern for someone’s safety. When they were done, they returned to my hallway and resumed their interrogation. ‘What was I hiding? Why was I not answering their questions? Something must have happened, the caller said so, so why was I being so obstructive?’ The fact that they had unlawfully intruded into my home and I was offended by that meant nothing to them. As far as they were concerned my taking offence was yet more proof that I had something to hide. Eventually they muttered something to each other and walked out, tartly. The moment they were gone I emailed a complaint to Derbyshire Constabulary. The biggest mistake of my life… O’key (Left) and Bradbury (Right). If it were not for the corruption of these two officers, this website would not exist. I had yet to find out just how vindictive and underhanded the police could be. I had no idea that police officers, who are the subject of a complaint, are totally unaccounted for. They are free to pursue the complainant in any manner they choose. No superior is watching. There are no safeguards to stop them. And if they are caught out, their superior officers will be ready to cover for them. I didn’t find out how the officers had exacted their revenge until a month later. By then, I had been willing to forget about the matter. I’d made my complaint and all I wanted to know was whether or not the officers had exceeded their authority that day. Instead, I got a phone call. From child protection services. The woman at the end of the line told me that they had received a referral from a police officer. One month ago. The day afterO’key and Bradbury had entered my home. They had written to child services, alleging that I had been seen on my doorstep banging my head against a brick wall in front of my then 4 year old daughter. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. The officers had seen me. Spoken to me face to face. They had never uttered anything about me trying to demolish a brick wall with my own forehead. They’d never mentioned my daughter. There were no marks on me. No bruising. No signs of distress. Why were they now alleging something so outrageous and demonstrably untrue as this? Hell hath no fury like a police woman scorned. As I was to find out much later, every officer subject of a complaint, receives a copy of that complaint in writing. The moment O’key got her ‘regulation notice’ she drove to my neighbour’s house in a bid to extract anything she could to dish the dirt on me. And when my neighbour wouldn’t say anything to incriminate me,O’key made it up. Then forwarded it on to child services. Using my only daughter as a weapon. Months later, after taking advice from a solicitor, I made a subject access request for a copy of O’key’s notebook to compare it to a copy of the referral. Guess what? They didn’t match. The witness had made no mention of someone hitting their head against a wall. It was entirely a figment of the officer’s sick mind. When I discovered this gross disparity between the two documents it was conclusive evidence the officer had lied and made the referral maliciously. Grounds for gross misconduct surely? Grounds for dismissal? So I made another complaint. To my dismay, not only did Derbyshire Police refuse to uphold my complaint, they fabricated an excuse for her: That the referral had been ‘made in error.’ Apparently, the officer had had difficulty reading her own handwriting. Even though she had made the referral within an hour of taking down the witnesses account, somehow she had misheard the witness and then mistranscribed the referral. The fact that O’key’s regulation notice was hanging out of her pocket when she interviewed my neighbour, was dismissed as mere ‘coincidence’. To toss me a bone, the investigating officer conceded that the entry into my home had been unlawful. Years later, after I had become adept at suing police officers on other people’s behalf, I revisited this complaint and successfully sued Derbyshire police for trespass. I would have sued for assault and battery too, but O’key, true to form, furthered her lies and corruption, by alleging the door had not been forced open but that I had stepped away from it for a moment, allowing them unobstructed access into my home. I still had much to learn about what fluent liars police officers are. As I expected, child services found no wrongdoing. They gave me a glowing report, but it did nothing to lance my contempt and disgust for Derby Police. I wanted to vent my frustration in some way. The only way I knew to do that was to write. My intention wasn’t to start some kind of hate campaign against the police but to ridicule them. Mock them. Hence the chosen name of ‘Crimebodge.’ I purchased a domain name, set up a blog and began writing about the police. Within the first few weeks someone posted a link to my articles on a police internet forum, inviting other’s to ridicule me. Within hours, serving police officers began sending me hateful remarks and threatening emails. All that did is spur me on even more. I’d got under their skin and I persisted. As the hate mail poured in, so did some genuinely encouraging comments from members of the public sharing their own stories of police misconduct. Not criminals angry at being caught, (as the police are so quick to dismiss complainants as being), but ordinary people that had been let down by the police service. Some of these people were asking for advice. As I’d learned so much about the police complaints process during my experience, I shared that knowledge with them. The requests for help kept coming in. There were no other resources on the internet advising people how to protect themselves from the police in the UK except those sites kept by activists and political agitators. So I began religiously studying the law. I began writing articles frequently, sharing everything I had learned. It took me many years to become proficient enough to help people across a broad range of criminal and civil law issues. I saw no reason to devote 4 years of my life getting a law degree. I had no interest in becoming a solicitor. I had the same access to law books, case law, codes and practises as any other student of law. The law isn’t reserved specifically for academics or full time students, it is accessible to us all. Besides which, studying Judge made law and parliament made law was not enough. I needed to study police made law as well; that improvised set of rules and customs that the police practise on the streets away from the scrutiny of senior officers and the courts. And the only way I could teach myself that was by learning from others experiences, getting actively involved with tens of thousands of people who have visited this site, shared their stories with me, put into practise the methods I have adapted and perfected. I have helped countless numbers, who cannot afford the services of a solicitor, or who cannot attract their interest, to successfully sue the police without having ever having to go to court. None of this would have been possible without the perpetual feedback, communication and solidarity I have had from the many millions of visitors I have had to this website, and recently, my growing Youtube channel which is currently attracts over a thousand new subscribers each week. As long as there is police corruption and misconduct, this website will continue to exist. It has been a group effort and I thank every single person who has supported this site and the Youtube channel over the past 6 years. Oh and not forgetting the lies and malice of P.C Kate Bradbury 14174 and P.C SamanthaO’key 3427; without whom, the Crimebodge website would never have existed. Thank you! Note: Samantha O’key is now a police officer with Cumbria constabulary PC Bradbury has since married and changed her surname. She is still a police officer in Derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020member Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I know his full story mate. I’m was a supporter of his that’s been and gone. He’s stuck in a loop of bitterness and lashing out at the tip of the iceberg that largely know no better, due to the compartmentalised nature of public services. I wish for his sake he took the fight a bit further up the ladder. Energy better spent in my opinion. I’ve got nothing more to add. I understand where his supporters are coming from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Any idea how to contact him? There is a local police informant (grass) who gets away with all sorts because of his cushy relationship with the police. I'd like some advice on how to approach this because the guy is a menace and needs justice before he kills somebody. Many local people want him off the streets and I feel I should attempt. Nearly ran me over when speeding down a residential road when he almost mounted a curb in his company car. Tried his website but no contact page that I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 On 8/18/2020 at 12:20 AM, Chef said: Tried his website but no contact page that I can see. https://crimebodge.com/contactus/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, 2020member said: He’s stuck in a loop of bitterness and lashing out at the tip of the iceberg that largely know no better, due to the compartmentalised nature of public services. I wish for his sake he took the fight a bit further up the ladder. Energy better spent in my opinion. He seems to enjoy helping people at ground level. Getting involved with more than just advice.....attending court and all sorts. He's not really qualified to tackle the Police at a higher level. That's Politics and large Groups / Organisations job, isn't it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I just messaged him. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smokestack Lightnin' Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) On 8/18/2020 at 1:16 AM, 2020member said: I know his full story mate. I’m was a supporter of his that’s been and gone. He’s stuck in a loop of bitterness and lashing out at the tip of the iceberg that largely know no better, due to the compartmentalised nature of public services. I wish for his sake he took the fight a bit further up the ladder. Energy better spent in my opinion. I’ve got nothing more to add. I understand where his supporters are coming from. I'm not sure what you know of the UK establishment 2020. Millions of people really believe that because of the Magna Carta, introduction of the legal system emulated and copied elsewhere, that Britain is this bastion of fairness and justice. You are seriously suggesting that Crimebodge should go after the Royals, establishment paedophilia, the instigators of Covid-19?? What planet are you on? Did you not see what they did to Jeffrey Epstein? Are you aware what they have done to Julian Assange? Only a couple of years ago, they arrested, charged and convicted a guy inside FIVE hours for highlighting Pakistani paedophiles. They then put him in a prison filled with people who wanted to kill him. He dared not eat food for 2 months! UK is arguably the most corrupt nation on the planet (even China, Saudi, Turkey, Iran etc have never sunk to the depths of importing thousands of people of alien cultures to gang rape indigenous children for votes.) You can step off a plane anywhere in Africa, Asia or Eastern Europe and within 10 minutes in a bar you will find someone who will happily tell you just how corrupt their politicians and lawyers are - not so in Britain where the majority of people will actually turn on you for suggesting such a thing such is their staggering ignorance. It's the welfare system and free medical care which blinds some people a bit but once that goes..?? It's true of course that you're not likely to get stoned or hung in the town square but never underestimate the savagery and brutality of judges, lawyers and politicians who have been compromised. (How many videos of Bill Gates do you think there are taken by the multitude of spy cameras in Epstein's house? ) They're actions here are a lot more insidious. You start highlighting and antagonizing these people at the top by filming and confronting them etc and you're toast. One of their little tricks is to drag out a wholly innocuous made up charge by making you appear in a court 5,6,7 times over a period of a year or so. They did that to me (6 court appearances in 10 months and they made me attend a court 100 miles away each time. I had to check in at 10:00 and I dared not be late or it was an automatic 2/3 weeks inside so I had to spend a night in a B&B at £40 pn.) It's the length of the proceedings that's the punishment plus the expense of lawyers etc if you choose to be represented. In the end, I got fined £200 so you can guess the level of 'crime' I committed. You saw what they did to Icke when he was waiting to get on his plane for Australia? Flights and hotels paid for, six venues sold out, all up in smoke ? If they want to get really nasty, they will crash your door down at 5:00am on the strength of some spurious call informing them you have drugs on the premises and if they really fancy a piece of you, one of the police will plant some crack in your fridge and casually ask if that's yours and all the rest of the goon squad will believe that one bent officer. Game over! Your talking frozen bank accounts, confiscation of all electronic equipment etc. I'm talking personal experience here where my determination caused a 60 year old law firm to be closed down and four lawyers to be disbarred. I suggest you have a look at Brian Gerrish's conference videos he did in hotels before UK Column news to understand a bit more of what goes on upstairs and understand why he does what he does. Read Tommy Robinson's book 'Enemy Of The State. You will never read of the suicides of people being hounded or of people who have done jail time, lost everything while they were inside and have absolutely nothing upon release. I bow only to their superior numbers - their gang is bigger than mine. Crimebodge is one guy on his own exposing some street thugs. He would be crushed if he went down that road you are advocating. And don't think the media will help you today. They have been bought over the last two decades and 100% on the side of the establishment. Edited September 7, 2020 by Smokestack Lightnin' 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) On 8/17/2020 at 11:25 PM, 2020member said: To throw a spanner in the works i’m not a fan of his. I agree. I don't like the police, having been harassed by them myself, but I think he's a nob and most (I accept not all) of the people featured in his videos are just causing trouble. I had to laugh at one of his videos when he alleged that the police were harassing him, but the video starts with him walking up to a police officer and insulting him. He's the type of person who gives good arguments a bad name. There IS a good argument that the police have become officious bullies overstepping the mark, but he is the wrong person to be making the argument because he's an officious bully himself. In one of the videos above, it refers to a police officer taking his hands off bicycle handlebars. I never knew that was an offence. My copy of the Highway Code confirms it isn't, it's merely an advisory point. Yet from the way the ignorant motorist reacts, you'd think the police officer had just run over somebody's kid. I'm afraid this type of 'gotcha' camera work is a platform for pompous know-it-alls, who normally don't know nearly as much as they think they do, and I just find it irritating. Edited September 7, 2020 by Ecki Divad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said: In one of the videos above, it refers to a police officer taking his hands off bicycle handlebars. I never knew that was an offence. My copy of the Highway Code confirms it isn't, it's merely an advisory point. Yet from the way the ignorant motorist reacts, you'd think the police officer had just run over somebody's kid. You're happy driving along a small back street with a cyclist riding no hands fiddling with a mobile phone ? l don't want to share the road with anyone doing this, let alone a police officer who should know better.. l'm sure that if a police officer saw some 'ordinary citizen' doing this, they'd have something to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020member Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 @Ecki Divad thank you for that very well written comment. Sadly i'm out of 'hearts' for today. All I would add to that is although i don't expect him to be going after the royals and the MPs. He himself has gained a huge following of generally speaking 'angry young men', with little direction. I'd love it if he advocated the Stand Up X rallies and how much police abuse has gone on during COVID. All he seems to want to do is get a 'one up' on the police by splitting hairs on infractions of their own policies they will continuously break. I'm extremely aware of police corruption having been a victim myself. I have also witnessed horrendous corruption during these recent protests, and it would be greatly appreciated if he could put his energy and efforts into highlighting as much. And also direct his followers into this arena too. Nether the less, i think he's got tunnel vision and is too busy trying to spot minor breaches and infractions to fuel this 'got one over on you' mentality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020member Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 @Smokestack Lightnin' although i thought your comment was a little abrupt, which is unneeded here as we are hopefully all singing of the same hymn sheet. What I will say is I totally understand and agree with your points and rationale. Just wished someone such as Crimebodge opened himself up a bit more to at least making reference to the fact this corruption is 'by design' and can be traced back to the wasps nest (for lack of a better phrase). I just think he's a bit too focused on getting a 'one up' on fairly low level stuff (which i totally get). But some of his followers take this too literally and essentially believe they can change the culture of these foot soldiers by doing 'audits', which generally come to nothing and just gets them on police watch lists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecki Divad Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Basket Case said: You're happy driving along a small back street with a cyclist riding no hands fiddling with a mobile phone ? l don't want to share the road with anyone doing this, let alone a police officer who should know better.. l'm sure that if a police officer saw some 'ordinary citizen' doing this, they'd have something to say. That's your interpretation of the incident. Interesting that you choose to interpret it in the most adverse and scandalous way. I watched the video myself and didn't see him using a phone. He may have just taken his hands off the handlebars to take a phone out of his pocket. So what? You are allowed to take one or both hands off the handlebars. This is fact. It is legally permitted. I saw another of this person's videos in which he alleged that a woman had been assaulted by the police. I watched the video and saw that in fact she assaulted the police officer. I pointed this out in the comment section under the video on YouTube and had about a dozen people like you denying what was clearly in the video and insulting me just for pointing out the truth. If, as we claim, we're interested in truth and freedom, then shouldn't we extend the benefit of this to everybody and practice it in our own lives? Edited September 7, 2020 by Ecki Divad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smokestack Lightnin' Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Ecki Divad said: I agree. I don't like the police, having been harassed by them myself, but I think he's a nob and most (I accept not all) of the people featured in his videos are just causing trouble. I had to laugh at one of his videos when he alleged that the police were harassing him, but the video starts with him walking up to a police officer and insulting him. He's the type of person who gives good arguments a bad name. There IS a good argument that the police have become officious bullies overstepping the mark, but he is the wrong person to be making the argument because he's an officious bully himself. In one of the videos above, it refers to a police officer taking his hands off bicycle handlebars. I never knew that was an offence. My copy of the Highway Code confirms it isn't, it's merely an advisory point. Yet from the way the ignorant motorist reacts, you'd think the police officer had just run over somebody's kid. I'm afraid this type of 'gotcha' camera work is a platform for pompous know-it-alls, who normally don't know nearly as much as they think they do, and I just find it irritating. "I don't like the police, having been harassed by them myself, but I think he's a nob and most (I accept not all) of the people featured in his videos are just causing trouble. I had to laugh at one of his videos when he alleged that the police were harassing him, but the video starts with him walking up to a police officer and insulting him". Agreed! Rob started it himself by quizzing the police officers and making a derogatory comment when he saw those goons hanging around nattering to each other, no doubt in some jolly fashion. . What you are not taking into account is raw human emotion. I've done the same myself to a lesser degree. Rob Warren felt the full force of those bastards as an innocent citizen at one time and he probably replays it in his mind over and over on a daily basis. You have to start understanding psychology here. When you see the same gang standing at a street corner laughing, joking and engaging in small talk, it's just a normal human reaction to react. I've done the same. Rob Warner was not done for the argument with his missus just as I was not arrested and incarcerated for sending an email to a Pakistani bank manager (if you look at one of my early posts.) We were both handcuffed and led away for having the temerity to engage coherently about the so called crime, rationalize, debate and ultimately overpower those security guards in costumes with intellectual discourse which stupefied them and rendered them impotent. (Think Spock or Kirk with phazers on stun.) The costumed security guards then radio their Sergeant who of course says 'yea bring him in' which ultimately means around 10 hours in a cell and giving up your pic, DNA and fingerprints to these brain dead cunts. It's very traumatic but only an idiot would give them the satisfaction of displaying it. From a psychological point of view however, humans are fucked in that regard. No other species on Earth harbours grudges or plots revenge. That's what you have to try and understand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack Lightnin' Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, 2020member said: @Smokestack Lightnin' although i thought your comment was a little abrupt, which is unneeded here as we are hopefully all singing of the same hymn sheet. What I will say is I totally understand and agree with your points and rationale. Just wished someone such as Crimebodge opened himself up a bit more to at least making reference to the fact this corruption is 'by design' and can be traced back to the wasps nest (for lack of a better phrase). I just think he's a bit too focused on getting a 'one up' on fairly low level stuff (which i totally get). But some of his followers take this too literally and essentially believe they can change the culture of these foot soldiers by doing 'audits', which generally come to nothing and just gets them on police watch lists. 55 minutes ago, Ecki Divad said: That's your interpretation of the incident. Interesting that you choose to interpret it in the most adverse and scandalous way. I watched the video myself and didn't see him using a phone. He may have just taken his hands off the handlebars to take a phone out of his pocket. So what? You are allowed to take one or both hands off the handlebars. This is fact. It is legally permitted. I saw another of this person's videos in which he alleged that a woman had been assaulted by the police. I watched the video and saw that in fact she assaulted the police officer. I pointed this out in the comment section under the video on YouTube and had about a dozen people like you denying what was clearly in the video and insulting me just for pointing out the truth. If, as we claim, we're interested in truth and freedom, then shouldn't we extend the benefit of this to everybody and practice it in our own lives? 1. I didn't know riding a bike with hands unattached to the handlebar was not a crime! 2. It's very rare for a female member of the public to just assault a police officer without no provocation whatsoever. I'll go a far as to say at this point that I don't believe what you saw is factual. I stand corrected! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack Lightnin' Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, 2020member said: @Ecki Divad thank you for that very well written comment. Sadly i'm out of 'hearts' for today. All I would add to that is although i don't expect him to be going after the royals and the MPs. He himself has gained a huge following of generally speaking 'angry young men', with little direction. I'd love it if he advocated the Stand Up X rallies and how much police abuse has gone on during COVID. All he seems to want to do is get a 'one up' on the police by splitting hairs on infractions of their own policies they will continuously break. I'm extremely aware of police corruption having been a victim myself. I have also witnessed horrendous corruption during these recent protests, and it would be greatly appreciated if he could put his energy and efforts into highlighting as much. And also direct his followers into this arena too. Nether the less, i think he's got tunnel vision and is too busy trying to spot minor breaches and infractions to fuel this 'got one over on you' mentality. I mentioned before that the moment he 'steps up' and does the things you are wanting him to do, he crosses a line and his life as he knew it, is over . If you want to know what I mean by this then you have a look at todays UK Column News where the authorities are so terrified of a 73 year old man that they set a trap for him in order to arrest and incarcerate him. It's obvious to me that you are not fully aware of what authoritative institutions can do to people who just want to tell the truth. He even tried claiming that he was the brother of the ex leader of the opposition....all to no avail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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