The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

[Haunted Universe]

You do insist Carlos that the plane penetrated the tower...sooo er...yeh.....where is it?

[screamingeagle]

Mod note 

 

the thread is locked while we have some discussion and more importantly for the hot heads to cool of 

[Grumpy Owl]

The trouble as I see it is that as with many other 'conspiracy theories', the 911 event has caused a number of different lines of inquiry to be opened up, yet again (in my opinion) another 'divide-and-rule' tactic.

 

Until someone comes clean and admits what exactly happened on that day (unlikely), there is no right or wrong answer as to what happened. So arguing and insulting each other achieves nothing, apart from distracting people away from what really needs to be discussed and analysed.

 

So, enough with the bickering, name-calling and insults, why can't you all just have a nice civilised discussion?

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

And l'm going to add;
 

Disagree all you like, even though you get frustrated, keep it respectful...
Thanks :O)

[screamingeagle]

13 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The trouble as I see it is that as with many other 'conspiracy theories', the 911 event has caused a number of different lines of inquiry to be opened up, yet again (in my opinion) another 'divide-and-rule' tactic.

 

Until someone comes clean and admits what exactly happened on that day (unlikely), there is no right or wrong answer as to what happened. So arguing and insulting each other achieves nothing, apart from distracting people away from what really needs to be discussed and analysed.

 

So, enough with the bickering, name-calling and insults, why can't you all just have a nice civilised discussion?

the thread is unlocked....please yous the above as reference how to post

 

carlos is banned(by his own choice,well sort of)

[Rocco]

14 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

there is no right or wrong answer as to what happened. So arguing and insulting each other achieves nothing, apart from distracting people away from what really needs to be discussed and analysed.

 

So, enough with the bickering, name-calling and insults, why can't you all just have a nice civilised discussion?

 

Of course there is a right answer. As for not "arguing" about it, what a dumb comment. The bickering is part of the fun of posting.

 

Your stinking double standards are nauseating:

 

Icke main page..........

A moron speaks: New COVID-19 restrictions will be needed for anti-vaxxers (exactly what Gates and the Cult want)

 

 

Moronic Cult-tool Biden: ‘I Would Shut Country Down Again If Recommended By [Cult-owned] Scientists’

 

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

On 8/11/2020 at 9:24 PM, pirate said:

WTC Building 7 Primed for Demolition Prior to the day of September 11th 2001.

 

There is a video of "Lucky Larry" Silverstein, the owner of the WTC Complex, where he says he had a conversation with The New York Fire Dept that went something like this..."The Fire Chief rang me and said that he thought Building 7 was so badly damaged that it would be safer to "Pull It", and I replied, because there had been such loss of life that day, to go ahead and "Pull It".

 

There's 3 important points here...

 

Point 1:

To pull a building, is a term used in the Demolition Industry, referring to the Controlled Demolition of a building, so, whatever anyone says now regarding building 7 that says anything other than the fact building 7 was brought down deliberately, is arguing with what was said on the day, by the owner of the building.

 

Point 2:

To demolish a building in a controlled manner requires several weeks, even months in some cases, to plan and carefully weaken the structure of the building and strategically place explosives to safely and successfully bring the building down. It is impossible for this to have been carried out on the afternoon of 9/11 while the building was on fire, building 7 was already primed for demolition prior to that day.

 

Point 3:

When the hell did Fireman include demolition as part of their portfolio.

A reminder of the original post..
WTC 7
 

[mishy]

1 hour ago, Basket Case said:

A reminder of the original post..
WTC 7
 

 

https://videopress.com/v/fcqo1vzu

 

Even some of the footage of building 7 is questionable. Not as blatant as an aluminium tube flying through steel, but questionable all the same.

 

 

[Haunted Universe]

Pretty noob'ish for them to knock down building 7 on 9/11 without having a digital plane hit it.

 

Neither reason for its collapse is possible. Rigged for demolition on the day-adbsurd. It falling due to fire-absurd. 

 

Never in the history of mankind has a steel structure collapsed from fire.

 

The masses obviously accepted the pull it reason without even questioning what is involved in rigging a building for demolition.

 

Are people this gullible? It would seem so. 

 

[Albion]

On 9/5/2020 at 12:09 AM, Haunted Universe said:

 

 

This has already been addressed. 

 

And the conclusion is that anyone who witnessed planes on 9/11 were all crisis actors? Blimey. The things they can do with digital effects nowadays. Jar Jar Binks aside.

Edited September 7, 2020 by Albion

[Albion]

On 9/5/2020 at 1:33 AM, mishy said:

 

 

 

The date on the PDF is 2012, but I'm sure this is from like 2008, maybe even earlier.

 

https://911crashtest.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Why-they-didnt-use-planes.pdf

 

Hmm. The author seems to reaching to me. Few nice twists but several plot holes.

[Albion]

On 9/5/2020 at 7:24 AM, Carlos said:

 

Apparently all because there was a possibility the "big lumbering jet" might miss its target.

 

https://askthepilot.com/questionanswers/conspiracy-nation/

" I propose a conspiracy theory that the conspiracy theories are themselves part of a conspiracy, intended to discredit the idea of there being a conspiracy — and to divide and conquer those who might sleuth out certain facts."

 

"1. The terrorist pilots lacked the skill and training needed to fly jetliners into their targets

This is an especially popular contention with respect to American flight 77.  Hijacker pilot Hani Hanjour was a notoriously untalented flier who never piloted anything larger than a four-seater. Yet he is said to have pulled off a remarkable series of aerobatic maneuvers before slamming into the Pentagon.  The pilots of American 11 and United 175 also had spotty records and had flown only private planes.  They should have had great difficulty navigating to New York City, and even greater difficulty hitting the twin towers squarely. To bolster this idea that the hijackers were Oswaldian pawns, the conspiromongers often invoke impressive-sounding jargon and fluffery about high-tech cockpits, occasionally trundling out testimony from pilots.

Reality: The cabal’s feats did not require in-depth technical knowledge or a high degree of skill.  The attackers, as private pilots, were completely out of their league in the cockpits of those 757s and 767s; however they were not setting out to perform single-engine missed approaches or Category-3 instrument landings with a failed hydraulic system – or to land at all.  They were setting out to steer an already airborne jetliner, in perfect weather, into the side of a building.  Though, for good measure, Mohammed Atta and at least one other member of his group did buy several hours of simulator training on a Boeing 727 (this was not the same type of jet used in the attacks, but it didn’t need to be).  Additionally they obtained manuals and instructional videos for the 757 and 767, available from aviation supply shops.

Hani Hanjour’s flying was exceptional only in its recklessness.  If anything, his loops and spirals above the nation’s capital revealed him to be exactly the shitty pilot he by all accounts was.  To hit the Pentagon squarely he needed only a bit of luck, and he got it.  Striking a stationary object — even a large one with five beckoning sides — at high speed and from a steep angle is very difficult.  To make the job easier, he came in obliquely, tearing down light poles as he roared across the Pentagon’s lawn.  If he’d flown the same profile ten times, seven of them he’d probably have tumbled short of the target or overflown it entirely.
As for those partisan pilots known to chime in on websites, take them with a grain of salt.  As somebody who flies 757 and 767s for a living, I think my testimony carries some weight.  Ask around and you’ll discover that the majority of professional pilots feel the way I do."

 

Far too logical. Not enough twists. 4/10.

 

[Haunted Universe]

2 hours ago, Albion said:

And the conclusion is that anyone who witnessed planes on 9/11 were all crisis actors? Blimey. The things they can do with digital effects nowadays. Jar Jar Binks aside.

Edited 2 hours ago by Albion

 

I didnt say all were crisis actors. Crisis actors are interviewed by the media to set the scene, and people who didn't see anything except for the towers exploding will be swayed into beleiving they just missed a giant airliner crash into the towers. Mandella effect will also have them beleive they think they saw a plane.

 

This is then drilled into everyones head with the phoney planes crashing into the towers repeatedly from different angles on every news channel. 

 

i dont think you realise the massive scale of planning by the perps years in advance. 

 

[Haunted Universe]

Even i thought  the planes were real on 9/11. I was 17 and didnt know any better until the first tower collapsed and i knew that something fishy was going on. 

 

years later i looked into 9/11 as the event had disturbed me for a Iong time. I laughed at the no planes theory for years but as i dug deeper and re-watched the footage of the planes crashing, i realised there was no way they were real airliners. (Total Lack of physics). So i went with the military plane/drone/missile theory and came to the conclusion that the planes never existed. 

 

Seeing the videos today especially, the planes are a joke. Like i said, in videos where you csn see the plane half way through the building like a video game glitch with zero impact, nothing, its impossible for this to be real. 

 

 

 

 

[ManxCat3]

19 minutes ago, Haunted Universe said:

Even i thought  the planes were real on 9/11. I was 17 and didnt know any better until the first tower collapsed and i knew that something fishy was going on. 

 

years later i looked into 9/11 as the event had disturbed me for a Iong time. I laughed at the no planes theory for years but as i dug deeper and re-watched the footage of the planes crashing, i realised there was no way they were real airliners. (Total Lack of physics). So i went with the military plane/drone/missile theory and came to the conclusion that the planes never existed. 

 

Seeing the videos today especially, the planes are a joke. Like i said, in videos where you csn see the plane half way through the building like a video game glitch with zero impact, nothing, its impossible for this to be real. 

 

 

 

 

Glad to see someone else say that because people just think I am a complete and utter loon when I try to explain extremely rational reasons why the "planes" can't be real.

 

https://911planeshoax.com/

Edited September 7, 2020 by ManxCat3

[mishy]

8 minutes ago, ManxCat3 said:

Glad to see someone else say that because people just think I am a complete and utter loon when I try to explain extremely rational reasons why the "planes" can't be real.

 

https://911planeshoax.com/

 

You're not a loon mate, far from it.

 

I get blank stares when I try to talk to people about it. And it's not just people you meet every day. Even on alternate sites like this one there's a number of people that still can't see the fakery that day. These people are either in denial, or gatekeeping for the perps (whoever they may be).

 

That link you shared explains it all rather well.

 

 

[pirate]

On 9/5/2020 at 7:12 AM, Carlos said:

THE NO PLANES " THEORY "

 

How many people were in on this?

 

1. How many to distribute airplane parts?

2. How many to distribute DNA?

3. How many to dispose of the actual plane and kill the passengers.

4. Then since DNA was found, how many to toast the bodies and smash them up?

5. If the DNA was faked, the laboratory was in on it? How many?

6. How many in the military to execute the missile launch?

7. How many to create all those individual films?

8. How many to lace the buildings with explosives?

9. How many to plan it? Oversee it?

10. How did they communicate it all?

11. Where is the paper trail for all of this, or the money trail to pay this huge number off?

12. Adding - "crisis actors" total?

Hi Carlos, stay with it...you are bang on dude.

[HistoryIsComplex]

If you want to collapse a large building with airplanes, YOU HIT THE BUILDING AS LOW DOWN AS POSSIBLE.

 

THE LOWER YOU HIT, THE MORE BUILDING WEIGHT ACTS ON THE DAMAGED IMPACT SITE, AND THE FASTER THE BUILDING COMES DOWN.

 

BIN LADEN HAD A 1979 DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING. HE SOMEHOW TOLD HIS PILOTS TO HIT THE WRONG FLOORS OF THE WTC.

[Haunted Universe]

9 minutes ago, pirate said:

Hi Carlos, stay with it...you are bang on dude.

 

Yeh, bang on with asking ridiculoue questions like "where is the paper trail" (lol) and claiming DNA was found at crash sites. Totally cant be faked at all. 

 

All his questions suggest that clandestine/black op operations totally dont go on behind the scenes (remember Bin Laden being dropped in the sea in a box), and the assassination of JFK (staged in my opinion), and the moon landing which is a total fake as well.

 

All patterns of the same bag of tricks deployee time and time again. You can add the Gulf Of Tonkin to that as well as the Covid 19 horseshit virus.

 

Manipulating the masses is what they have been doing for centuries.  They are veteran magicians.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

4 hours ago, Haunted Universe said:

Pretty noob'ish for them to knock down building 7 on 9/11 without having a digital plane hit it.

 

Neither reason for its collapse is possible. Rigged for demolition on the day-adbsurd. It falling due to fire-absurd. 

 

Never in the history of mankind has a steel structure collapsed from fire.

 

The masses obviously accepted the pull it reason without even questioning what is involved in rigging a building for demolition.

 

Are people this gullible? It would seem so. 

 

l believe a different hoax techniques were used at each site (4) to confuse the fuck out of people trying to work it out.

Twin Towers - WTC7 - Pentagon - Shanksville - each one a completely different story and method.
 

[Haunted Universe]

1 minute ago, Basket Case said:

l believe a different hoax techniques were used at each site (4) to confuse the fuck out of people trying to work it out.

Twin Towers - WTC7 - Pentagon - Shanksville - each one a completely different story and method.
 

 

 

Don't doubt at all but at every crash site theres no plane. 4 planes. No plane or part of a plane can penetrate three pentagon buildings. That was a precision hit considering how low the entry impact is (at the Penta-con). 

 

No idea what they were thinking with building 7 but it had to go considering what was inside it. 

[Haunted Universe]

Too many anomalies and coincidences on 9/11 for it not to be an inside job. 

 

9/11 was the last time they could pull of something that shabby. 

 

Wonder whats next. Fake alien invasion no doubt, Orsen Wells inspired.

[Haunted Universe]

Basket Case, what do you think those weird flashes are just before each plane hits? Imagine the planes are confirmed fake for a minute.

 

i think its either a clapper board flash so the fx nerds know where to put the nose of the fake planes or a detonation flash. Cant think what else it can be. 

[ManxCat3]

1 minute ago, Haunted Universe said:

Basket Case, what do you think those weird flashes are just before each plane hits? Imagine the planes are confirmed fake for a minute.

 

i think its either a clapper board flash so the fx nerds know where to put the nose of the fake planes or a detonation flash. Cant think what else it can be. 

I think what actually hit was a cruise missile, as it sounds like a cruise missile engine, also some eyewitnesses describe a "small plane" -  could have mistook the missile for a small plane.

[mishy]

13 minutes ago, Basket Case said:

l believe a different hoax techniques were used at each site (4) to confuse the fuck out of people trying to work it out.

Twin Towers - WTC7 - Pentagon - Shanksville - each one a completely different story and method.
 

 

And 19 years later the debate still rolls on, not as intense these days obviously, but that actually leads to NEW questions.