The Facts of WTC PLANNED & CONTROLLED DEMOLITION

[mishy]

Regarding the fake deaths - they didn't need to kill anyone, they just needed to sell the illusion that people died. And when you have total control of the media that's an easy illusion to sell. It would also make it much easier to get people to go along with it. Also by using fake deaths there would be no family or friends to chase through the courts because "those buildings fell funny". Let's not forget some of the alleged victims were working at top financial firms and their families would have access to top legal teams, which is a good thing for the perps because any decent lawyer would have a field day in court against the OS.

 

[Haunted Universe]

Exactly. And thousands of jewish workers were notified by a messaging service that something big was happening in a few days time so dont be in the towers. Lucky Larry was absent that morning as well as he usually had breakfast at the windows restaurant every day at the top of one of the towers. 

 

its the same old trick with covid 19. Complete control of the narrative, media and numbers of fake deaths. Why create a virus for real when you can create it in everyones minds.  Never do mainstream media or talking heads investigate it. Just pure fear mingering on a daily basis.

 

The toilet roll and handwash hoarding panic for example, wtf was that all about? The elites must have been piasing themselve starting off wirh that.

 

Look at the famous photo of the falling man...how was this photo taken so perfectly? The photographer must have been at the exact same height and high up in another building. Just more trickery. 

Edited August 29, 2020 by Haunted Universe

[Messenger]

On 8/14/2020 at 9:54 AM, mishy said:

 

You clearly haven't watched the vid in the link I posted. No planes. Empty towers and few, if any victims.

 

http://cluesforum.info/

 

 

 

Cluesforum is decent, I remember a thread someone started about the Boston Marathon "bombing" where many people had uploaded some good photos of the scene where all the crisis actors were set up.

 

I don't know if there were planes or not, I think it was the first test for hologram use, because I have found video footage of the planes and their wings disappearing briefly in some frames. My only question following that then is, how they they create the engine noise?

 

So let's say that the planes were real, if they were, they were not flown by human pilots, I would bet that they used a beacon tracking device, one inside the plane, and one inside the building that the planes were drawn to.

 

Whats his name Lear said that at the height of his career in aviation he could not fly a 747 into a skyscraper. Maybe because he didn't log many hours in a 747 or 737 but still, if he doesn't think he could do it, it would be quite a challenge for others.

[peter]

weather  there is a plane or not, an energy weapon or mini nukes is a mute point the outcome and what happened after the event would not have changed , it was obvious to anyone with half a brain it was an inside job. However what I find interesting if you look closely at the video of the plane hitting the second building there is an obvious flash just before impact , and if there was a plane, to me that indicates some form of laser guidance system

[screamingeagle]

 

 

 

[pirate]

On 8/20/2020 at 11:54 PM, Basket Case said:

l totally agree....NO PLANE at the Pentagon.

But WTC 1+2 debatable and not important.
3 buildings came down in NY.
All 3 were controlled demolition, that we can agree on.
You cannot prove no planes + no deaths.
l cannot prove planes and deaths.
NO PLANE

NO PLANE at the Pentagon...

NO PLANE in the field at Shanksville

2 PLANES at WTC.

[pirate]

On 8/15/2020 at 4:10 AM, Haunted Universe said:

What these 9/11 truther websites avoid and even ban you for is mentioning no planes and NO deaths. Pretty weird huh? Most of them are gatekeepers and controlled opposition. No one died on 9/11 except for first responders.

Genuine "Truthers" will not even debate the no planes at the WTC Complex because it's a damm lie and pure stupidity.

[pirate]

On 8/15/2020 at 3:36 AM, mishy said:

Surely if you're trying to prove that the WTC was demolished. Then showing the planes were fake would prove you right?

 

Or would that put the wrong people in the frame?...WTF..?

The WTC WAS DEMOLISHED...but the planes HAD TO BE THERE AND BE SEEN AND HEARD HITING THE BUILDINGS...the planes were real planes...to suggest it was some sort of trick imagery/hologram/camera trick is just real plain Dumb...and as for nobody died in the buildings is even dumber....Dumb & Dumber.

[pirate]

On 8/14/2020 at 3:24 PM, mishy said:

 

There were no planes and none of the footage from that day can be tusted. None of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF0-nslm3j0

If none of the footage can be trusted from that day, then we got nothing to analyze... Just a f****ng blank screen then.

[Spoodle22]

Were there not a few people who happened to get that day on tape! Were they murdered. The whole story is a bold faced lie.

I cant believe people believe that shit. The families of, well, dead fire fighters were given 3 million each, on the condition that they never investigate that sin through the courts.

[Haunted Universe]

7 hours ago, pirate said:

The WTC WAS DEMOLISHED...but the planes HAD TO BE THERE AND BE SEEN AND HEARD HITING THE BUILDINGS...the planes were real planes...to suggest it was some sort of trick imagery/hologram/camera trick is just real plain Dumb...and as for nobody died in the buildings is even dumber....Dumb & Dumber.

 

 

So how exactly do airliners ghost through steel buildings with zero resistance? Why would the perps risk using real planes? Its a no brainer. 

 

Lets say something DID fly into the towers, its certainly wasnt what was filmed on camera. The only thing worth hitting the buildings with was a missile, and as you can see by the plane hole, it was made by cutter charges.

 

Thats the whole point of a psy op, to give the illusion of something and have you beleive it 110%. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mishy]

10 hours ago, pirate said:

The WTC WAS DEMOLISHED...but the planes HAD TO BE THERE AND BE SEEN AND HEARD HITING THE BUILDINGS...the planes were real planes...to suggest it was some sort of trick imagery/hologram/camera trick is just real plain Dumb...and as for nobody died in the buildings is even dumber....Dumb & Dumber.

 

That's called playing the man and not the ball. The only evidence of planes is the footage and witness testomy. The latter contradicts itself (not eveyone saw a plane, some people saw a missile etc). So onto the footage...fake as fuck. But please, if you have some evidence of actual plane crashes please share, as it's been almost 19 years!

 

10 hours ago, pirate said:

If none of the footage can be trusted from that day, then we got nothing to analyze... Just a f****ng blank screen then.

 

Do you not get it? The dodgy footage is all the proof you need for an inside job. Pods on the undercarriage, military planes, nano thermite, Judy Wood etc are nothing but redherrings. What we were shown was CGI. It has to be CGI as real planes can't do what we were shown. Physics says so, if you can't get your head around that then why are you posting on a forum whose owner believes the Queen of England is a shapeshifitng lizard?

 

https://911planeshoax.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF0-nslm3j0

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2020 by mishy

[mishy]

10 hours ago, pirate said:

Genuine "Truthers" will not even debate the no planes at the WTC Complex because it's a damm lie and pure stupidity.

 

Is this guy that used to be on Info Wars a genuine truther? (Old video, I don't watch Alex Jones so no idea whatsoever if this Jason guy is still around)

 

This is about as good as trying to debunk September Clues gets. It's almost like people are arguing from a position of disbelief.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJcwoiR24sM

[Guest Gone Fishing...]

On 8/15/2020 at 12:09 AM, ink said:

 

 

 

On 8/15/2020 at 12:10 AM, ink said:

 

 

15 minutes ago, mishy said:

 

That's called playing the man and not the ball. The only evidence of planes is the footage and witness testomy. The latter contradicts itself (not eveyone saw a plane, some people saw a missile etc). So onto the footage...fake as fuck. But please, if you have some evidence of actual plane crashes please share, as it's been almost 19 years!

 

 

Do you not get it? The dodgy footage is all the proof you need for an inside job. Pods on the undercarriage, military planes, nano thermite, Judy Wood etc are nothing but redherrings. What we were shown was CGI. It has to be CGI as real planes can't do what we were shown. Physics says so, if you can't get your head around that then why are you posting on a forum whose owner believes the Queen of England is a shapeshifitng lizard?

 

https://911planeshoax.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF0-nslm3j0

 

 

 

Mishy.
Have you watched the videos that ink posted ?
What do you think of what they say / show ?
 

[Carlos]

3 hours ago, Haunted Universe said:

So how exactly do airliners ghost through steel buildings with zero resistance? Why would the perps risk using real planes? Its a no brainer. 

 

Lets say something DID fly into the towers, its certainly wasnt what was filmed on camera. The only thing worth hitting the buildings with was a missile, and as you can see by the plane hole, it was made by cutter charges.

 

Thats the whole point of a psy op, to give the illusion of something and have you beleive it 110%. 

 

Why do these threads invariably get taken over by people who think no planes were involved? It makes a mockery of the truth movement. These things have got hundreds of thousands of tons of kinetic energy.

 

It boils down to a straight choice:

 

Alternative one involves manufacturing dozens of sequences of footage and making sure it all ties together. Faking each crash with missiles or whatever and magical charges that blow the uprights INWARDS (right there is your opening clue). You then have to dispose of the planes with nobody seeing or pay off all who do (for life and hope they don't talk), then dispose of the bodies. And for the Pentagon you have to secrete DNA remains of the passengers onboard all around the crash site. Quite who does al that work is enough to worry about secrecy, but then you have to worry about all private cine-cameras and eye witnesses who are in a good position to see planes approach. Oh and just for good measure do all that complete ridiculously unfeasible list live on TV in front of the entire planet.

 

Alternative two involves crashing the planes.

 

Tough choice I know. 

[mishy]

Just now, Basket Case said:

 

 

Mishy.
Have you watched the videos that ink posted ?
What do you think of what they say / show ?
 

 

Yes I have, years ago. Two things, Simon Shack made a reply to this guys video - no idea where it is now as his channel was deleted without warning a couple of years ago. And the comments are turned off. They're turned off because he knows the video is bollocks.

 

Physics still states the plane crash videos are fake.

 

Here's the first strike. No plane.

https://videopress.com/v/tyb4tbsm

 

[Carlos]

21 minutes ago, mishy said:

Physics says so

 

No. You don't get to rely on physics. If any group of people exist that have no right to claim they "know" about physics, it's the people who make all this ridiculous noise about no planes.

 

The physics involved amount to team no-plane simply denying things and refusing to learn. No point in debating such people. September clues is appalling inaccurate junk. The mad claim about nose-out epitomises this, with the same view of the exit debris and fireball being visible on other footage.

[mishy]

11 minutes ago, Carlos said:

 

Why do these threads invariably get taken over by people who think no planes were involved? It makes a mockery of the truth movement. These things have got hundreds of thousands of tons of kinetic energy.

 

It boils down to a straight choice:

 

Alternative one involves manufacturing dozens of sequences of footage and making sure it all ties together. Faking each crash with missiles or whatever and magical charges that blow the uprights INWARDS (right there is your opening clue). You then have to dispose of the planes with nobody seeing or pay off all who do (for life and hope they don't talk), then dispose of the bodies. And for the Pentagon you have to secrete DNA remains of the passengers onboard all around the crash site. Quite who does al that work is enough to worry about secrecy, but then you have to worry about all private cine-cameras and eye witnesses who are in a good position to see planes approach. Oh and just for good measure do all that complete ridiculously unfeasible list live on TV in front of the entire planet.

 

Alternative two involves crashing the planes.

 

Tough choice I know. 

 

It makes a mockery of the truth movement? Are you high? It's been 19 years, how successful have the truth movement been? When was the last time you saw ANYTHING about 9/11 possibly being an inside job on the news? There's even been years since the event where it hasn't even got a mention on the anniversay ffs.

 

The reason the no planers get tarred with that brush is because it's the truth and the shills are trying to protect the perps. Happy to blame Bush/Silverstein and talk about nano thermite/building 7 etc etc, but start showing how the media/Hollywood were involved and and you get called dumb etc. So fucking obvious when you've seen it time and time again.

 

Still gatekeeping 19 years later? What next? We went to the moon for real?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=189&v=JO_oNEaUCyc&feature=emb_logo

 

 

Edited September 4, 2020 by mishy

[mishy]

7 minutes ago, Carlos said:

 

No. You don't get to rely on physics. If any group of people exist that have no right to claim they "know" about physics, it's the people who make all this ridiculous noise about no planes.

 

The physics involved amount to team no-plane simply denying things and refusing to learn. No point in debating such people. September clues is appalling inaccurate junk. The mad claim about nose-out epitomises this, with the same view of the exit debris and fireball being visible on other footage.

 

Yes. Yes I do.

[Carlos]

Just now, mishy said:

It makes a mockery of the truth movement? Are you high? It's been 19 years, how successful have the truth movement been? When was the last time you saw ANYTHING about 9/11 possibly being an inside job on the news? There's even been years since the event where it hasn't even got a mention on the anniversay ffs.

 

 

Last I heard there was a Grand Jury investigation - didn't see any conclusion to it. I find it painfully ironic that you and the other painfully wrong no planers who have been soiling any internet discussion of this have the audacity to claim nothing has been concluded. 

 

Just now, mishy said:

The reason the no planers get tarred with that brush is because it's the truth and the shills are trying to protect the perps. Happy to blame Bush/Silverstein and talk about nano thermite/building 7 etc etc, but start showing how the media/Hollywood were involved and and you get called dumb etc. So fucking obvious when you've seen it time and time again.

 

Ad hominem rubbish. No planers are the bottom feeders for 911 conspiracies. And thank you for the "so fucking obvious" bullshit. 

 

Could you pretty please tell me which of the two alternatives I identified,  that you would go with if you were a perp.

 

Just now, mishy said:

Still gatekeeping 19 years later? What next? We went to the moon for real?

39 minutes ago, mishy said:

That's called playing the man and not the ball.

 

 

Hypocrisy. Not a good look dude.

 

What next? Try to avoid getting into a drawn out argument with people who have no capacity for reasoned debate. 

 

 

 

 

[Carlos]

7 minutes ago, mishy said:

 

Yes. Yes I do.

 

No, no you don't. Show me some figures. Now that would be a first wouldn't it.

 

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/170695/what-was-the-amount-of-energy-released-in-the-9-11-terrorist-attacks

 

The old "stands to reason", "because I know physics" and it's "obvious" because you say so is up there with fairies and unicorns.

[Carlos]

On 8/29/2020 at 3:31 PM, Haunted Universe said:

Exactly. And thousands of jewish workers were notified by a messaging service that something big was happening in a few days time so dont be in the towers.

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/israelis-absent-911/

A total of 2,071 occupants of the World Trade Center died on September 11, among the 2,749 victims of the WTC attacks. According to an article in the October 11, 2001, Wall Street Journal, roughly 1,700 people had listed the religion of a person missing in the WTC attacks; approximately 10% were Jewish. A later article, in the September 5, 2002, Jewish Week, stated, “based on the list of names, biographical information compiled by The New York Times, and information from records at the Medical Examiner’s Office, there were at least 400 victims either confirmed or strongly believed to be Jewish.” This would be approximately 15% of the total victims of the WTC attacks. A partial list of 390 Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died (out of 658 in the company) lists 49 Jewish memorial services, which is between 12% and 13%.

This 10-15% estimate of Jewish fatalities tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area. According to the 2002 American Jewish Year Book, 9% of the population of New York State, where 64% of the WTC victims lived, is Jewish. A 2002 study estimated that New York City’s population was 12% Jewish. Forty-three percent of the WTC victims lived in New York City. Thus, the number of Jewish victims correlates very closely with the number of Jewish residents in New York. If 4,000 Jews had not reported for work on September 11, the number of Jewish victims would have been much lower than 10-15%.

 

On 8/29/2020 at 3:31 PM, Haunted Universe said:

Look at the famous photo of the falling man...how was this photo taken so perfectly? The photographer must have been at the exact same height and high up in another building. Just more trickery. 

 

He took dozens of pictures, it was a fluke that this particular one lined up with the building uprights.

 

 

[Haunted Universe]

24 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Alternative two involves crashing the planes.

 

Yeh totally, aluminium planes were able to penetrate thick steel girders, then magically vanish never to be seen again. Then they put a pathetically small engine in some street which was the wrong type (lol) and a magical indestructible passport conveniently shows up.

 

The perps REALLY wanted the risk and liabilities of using real planes on 9/11.

 

Have you seen videos and photos of the towers being built? You must be on drugs to think an airliner would go through that.

 

9/11 was planned decades in advance. 'A new Pearl Harbor'. Piss easy to create fake videos and imagery.

 

Also, to take out a building you destroy the foundations, not attack it top down. 20 REAL jetliners crashing into the top of the world trade towers still wouldnt have made them collapse the way they did on 9/11.

 

WHERE was the remains of a giant airliner at Shanksville? Theres nothing there! Just a smoking crater.

 

Why dont the bent FBI/CIA release the video of an airliner crashing into the Penta-con? Because it was a missile or drone. Photos show the exit hole 3 buildings in and tiny. 

 

 

 

 

[mishy]

11 minutes ago, Carlos said:

 

No, no you don't. Show me some figures. Now that would be a first wouldn't it.

 

https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/170695/what-was-the-amount-of-energy-released-in-the-9-11-terrorist-attacks

 

The old "stands to reason", "because I know physics" and it's "obvious" because you say so is up there with fairies and unicorns.

 

Figures of what? It's all on camera, put the shill handbook down and look at the fucking footage. Then show me another plane crash where the plane survives the impact intact with no bits falling off.

[Haunted Universe]

33 minutes ago, Carlos said:

No. You don't get to rely on physics

 

Haha. Great. We will rely on delusion then.