Empathy, compassion and UN Agenda 21/2030

[Stan Evans]

Reading the discussion about the forum problems, I am not sure if this the right place to present this topic. But it is an important subject for me and I can't reconcile it with the mass of other issues on the David Icke.com website.

 

 

I listened to the audio of David talking about masks and an article in The Guardian on why people did or did not wear them. Then David talked about what the next phase of the cult's agenda might be and he referred to an article by Sandy Adams (I think that was the name) which predicted the hyping of COVID-19 being zoonotic as the means to make animals a threat to humans - especially farmed animals - which would give the excuse to evacuate the countryside and move everyone into big cities, in accordance with UN Agenda 21/2030.

 

 

During the explanation it was mentioned that Jane Goodall in the UN had said everyone would have to be vegan, farming in the country would be ended and factory-grown vegetables would be the only food. This whole plan seemed to be part of the road to tyranny and control of populations. What troubles me about this scenario is that it sounded simplistic and ignores other issues.

 

 

Like an increasing number of people, I am vegetarian and trying to become vegan. The reason for this is I am aware of the horrific treatment of animals in animal farming and the meat industry generally, especially factory farming. In most factory farms - and probably all of them - the animals are crushed together, mutilated (eg. cutting of pigs tails, chickens beaks and more), neglected and brutally abused. Official inspections either ignore suffering or the farm is warned of a visit, so evidence of cruelty is cleared away. Unofficial inspections by animal welfare charity workers, such as Viva!, have filmed and reported on shocking conditions, including a piglet being eaten alive by starving pigs or sick, injured and dying animals crushed in with other animals in the general stinking filth. There is just too much suffering to detail here.

 

 

The killing of the animals adds more horrors - pigs crushed into cages and lowered into a pit of carbon dioxide where they scream in pain for minutes before dying or chickens hung by their legs from a conveyor line to pass between electrodes which can miss and not stun them, before a machine cuts their throats (or just cuts them anywhere) and they are dumped into boiling water (sometimes alive). In abattoirs, animals feel fear and are treated brutally. The whole meat industry is mostly owned by corporations and they would be opposed to people becoming vegetarian or vegan.

 

 

The dairy industry is cruel also. Apart from hens in battery cages, even free range farms need a constant supply of chickens which come from factories incubating and hatching thousands of chicks every day. These are continually loaded onto a conveyor where the females are taken off for egg-laying farms or to be fattened for killing. The remaining thousands of male chicks pass along to be dumped into a crushing machine that minces them alive. The milk industry needs cows to be either pregnant or in the post pregnancy state to continue to produce milk. When they give birth, the calf is taken away weeks before it is ready to be weaned and it cries for its mother, as the cow cries for her baby. Male calves are either clubbed to death or shot immediately they are born or transported abroad to countries where veal crates are still legal, to be starved of a proper diet before being killed. The cows have painful injections into their teats (to prevent infections) every day and when they can no longer become pregnant – so cannot produce milk – they are sent to be slaughtered.

 

For me and most others who refuse to eat meat or dairy, being vegetarian or vegan is based on empathy and compassion. David Icke frequently talks about the importance of empathy and love in creating a decent world, and the fact that the cult and its followers have no empathy. I have wondered for a long time if David or Gareth or Jayme are vegetarian or vegan, because they never seem to mention human cruelty to animals – even though as spokesman of the Green Party years ago David said animals deserved a bill of rights.

 

If they are meat eaters and regard animal farming as acceptable, how would they define empathy? To me, it means feeling the pain and suffering of a fellow creature. I can't just feel empathy for humans but switch it off for animals. In fact, animals are more like children in their innocence and vulnerability to human power over them.

 

This brings the other issue that I can't reconcile with the arguments about UN Agenda 21/2030 plan. I think the agenda is evil and aimed at producing tyranny, and the plan to shift everyone to big cities is unacceptable. Yet they have somehow made vegetarianism or veganism sound like an evil attack on freedom. What I want is for humans to be free, enjoying a pain-free, full life. And that is what I want for animals – domestic and wild – at least as far as humans can make that happen by not hunting them, eating them, farming them for killing, abusing them in “entertainments” such as dog fights, cock fights, badger baiting etc., torturing them in laboratories, destroying their habitats or poisoning them - which also applies to humans ingesting toxic substances in food (additives, pesticides, herbicides), drinks, vaccines and in the general environment.

 

I oppose UN Agenda 21/2030 and resent it hijacking a life choice that is about compassion and empathy. I also resent anyone who might suggest a vegetarian or vegan is compromised by inadvertently supporting one of the cult's aims. I also find it impossible to believe in protecting human freedom, overthrowing the cult plans and humans achieving awareness beyond the five senses while we still treat animals as vegetables without any rights to a full, pain-free life.

 

 

[Michi713]

On 8/8/2020 at 7:36 PM, Stan Evans said:

 

 

I oppose UN Agenda 21/2030 and resent it hijacking a life choice that is about compassion and empathy. I also resent anyone who might suggest a vegetarian or vegan is compromised by inadvertently supporting one of the cult's aims. I also find it impossible to believe in protecting human freedom, overthrowing the cult plans and humans achieving awareness beyond the five senses while we still treat animals as vegetables without any rights to a full, pain-free life.

 

 

Valid point.  Intelligent people (in short supply) realize the difference between what Sustainable Development / Agenda 2030 want and what is sensible.
Resisting centralized food supply, growing food, raising animals, supporting local farms and relying less on grocery stores will unite people, vegetarian or not.

[rideforever]

Carrots and broccoli do not want to be eaten btw ... you can tell that plants do not wish to be eaten because they have defensive measures for instance they have thorns or poisoning leaves.  Sure the murder and torture of animals is horrific, but for me these kinds of arguments are always limited.  We are not the body.  You have to see that we are not the body, and the body is a vehicle that provides a context for us to develop intelligence and spiritual growth ... those two items are the ultimate point.  We all kill during our lives and we are meant to, but we are also meant to learn and grow.  Once again this does not mean that we need to treat animals or any creature badly ... but just that on its own is still materialistic we need to go further so that the lives that we all will take, will lead to something.

 

[Michi713]

5 hours ago, rideforever said:

Carrots and broccoli do not want to be eaten btw ... you can tell that plants do not wish to be eaten because they have defensive measures for instance they have thorns or poisoning leaves. 

 

Plants are screaming to be eaten.  The ones with thorns are just playing hard to get.  A destroying angel will kill you dead, but that too is a purpose.  All plants have a special niche that serves one aspect of the whole.  

 

My zucchini plant grew into a monster and produced monstrous zucchinis!  Why? 

 

My Japanese eggplant plants won’t stop giving me eggplants.  I’m turning into an eggplant.  

 

They will die when season’s over, and rot into the ground.  But their seeds I will keep.  And they will live again.  The same plant born again and again in my mound.  

 

By being eaten the plants proliferate and ensure their survival.  They will even adapt themselves to suit our tastes like for instance, the apple.

 

It boils down to whether you believe a plant is an individual or a piece of something called “plant.” 

[Yasmina]

Factory farming is bad, yes, simply because of the way they treat the animals. I do however support local, organic farming - this is mainly what they want to destroy. They do have a vegan agenda and as you've probably seen they even had Netflix promoting it, as well as many celebrities on adverts for Quorn etc. That isn't to say the farming industry isn't guilty, but there is a huge difference between factory farming and organic local farming. The NWO does not support or want the latter. Clearly they aim to have everyone on an unnatural, lab grown diet. Have you seen Bill Gate's frankenstein burger?