NASA Lies ..... There Is No Such Thing As Space

[alexa]

34 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Fence sitters- ask yourselves this. Why do flat earthers consistently ignore difficult questions?

 

This is not a flat earth thread.

[Comedy Time]

Just now, alexa said:

 

This is not a flat earth thread.

 

Sure it is! 

 

You are calling millions of people deluded or liars because space doesn't exist. That's just people alive now. I find such misguided belief actually baffling. It's like you have this idea and ignore completely the colossal underlying conclusions. A bit like an ostrich being shown a big mountain and not being able to see it because it has its head in the sand.

 

 

[alexa]

11 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

I find such misguided belief actually baffling

 

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avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called

 

22 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

You are calling millions of people deluded or liars because space doesn't exist. That's just people alive now.

 

 

You see CT the Scriptures not only tell me but millions of others you've just mentioned.

[Comedy Time]

Get a telescope and watch the planets spinning

 

Watch the ISS travel overhead.

 

Get a radio and lock into to some overhead satellites.

 

WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THINGS?

 

https://rsgb.org/main/technical/space-satellites/moonbounce/

"One of the unique characteristics of EME is that it is possible to hear and observe your own transmissions echoed back approximately 2.5 seconds later as the transmitted signal propagates from the earth to the moon, is reflected, and propagates back to the earth."

 

Anmateur radio hams all over the world do this. Are they all lying?

[Nobby Noboddy]

10 hours ago, Comedy Time said:

You cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves in to.

 

Fence sitters- ask yourselves this. Why do flat earthers consistently ignore difficult questions?

mmm....  Is your purpose to dissuade others from looking into it themselves?

 

What was the difficult question?

 

I came to the FE conclusion through reason, research and experiment. I don't believe space exists as sold to us but I don't have a view as to what is beyond the Thermosphere and other less tricky layers above us. All I know is that where I live is flat (does not exhibit ANY observable curvature) and stationary. 

 

I'd like to ask how we reproduce curvature on water please? Has anyone done any experiments using scientific equipment like vacuum chambers etc.

 

I'd like to know how our atmosphere clings to the earth in the vacuum of space. Are there any experiments that would demonstrate that?

 

Fence sitters - don't be put off from having a look,  even if just to reassure yourself it's all balls. Try somewhere like https://ifers.123.st/

 

 

 

[oddsnsods]

4 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

 

I'd like to know how our atmosphere clings to the earth in the vacuum of space. Are there any experiments that would demonstrate that?

 

 

Ive posted about a video explaining before.

 

 

[Nobby Noboddy]

1 hour ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Ive posted about a video explaining before.

 

 

 

Ok

 

You've provided a video not by a scientist, but by a FE debunker who doesn't think it's worth your while learning any technical stuff because he made a model!!!!

 

mmmm.... that's credible.

 

Show us some real science.

 

Maybe curvy water would be easier for you?

 

[oddsnsods]

3 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

 

Ok

 

You've provided a video not by a scientist, but by a FE debunker who doesn't think it's worth your while learning any technical stuff because he made a model!!!!

 

mmmm.... that's credible.

 

Show us some real science.

 

Maybe curvy water would be easier for you?

 

 

Have you ever been to a higher altitude before Knob? The air thins the higher you go.

 

 

[oddsnsods]

20 minutes ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Maybe curvy water would be easier for you?

 

 

Water is curvy yes & is held by the same gravitational forces you claim doesn't exist.

[alexa]

30 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Water is curvy yes & is held by the same gravitational forces you claim doesn't exist.

 

And what holds the water up in the heavens above?

[oddsnsods]

24 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

And what holds the water up in the heavens above?

 

The earths atmosphere has changed after the flood or great cataclysm.

 

This resonates with me, also lots of mythology seems to point our Saturn being a second sun.

 

Water Vapor Canopy

Some interpreters believe that the waters above are referring to a water vapor canopy that was above the earth prior to the Flood of Noah. This canopy trapped the sun's rays more effectively than our present atmosphere does and gave a semi-tropical climate to every part of the world. It is from this canopy that the waters for the Flood came.

 

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_685.cfm

[oddsnsods]

 

[oddsnsods]

 

[alexa]

31 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

Some interpreters believe that the waters above are referring to a water vapor canopy that was above the earth prior to the Flood of Noah. This canopy trapped the sun's rays more effectively than our present atmosphere does and gave a semi-tropical climate to every part of the world. It is from this canopy that the waters for the Flood came.

 

The thing here is that the flood took place around 2500 BC, about a thousand years on & David writes his Psalms stating in Psalm 148:4-6

 

Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And your waters above the heavens! Let them praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created. He has also established them forever and ever; He has made decrees which shall not pass away.

[alexa]

37 minutes ago, oddsnsods said:

 

 

And some mountains are the ancient giants

 

 

[oddsnsods]

10 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

The thing here is that the flood took place around 2500 BC, about a thousand years on & David writes his Psalms stating in Psalm 148:4-6

 

Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And your waters above the heavens! Let them praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created. He has also established them forever and ever; He has made decrees which shall not pass away.

 

Dunno, Noah & the Pharaohs lived for hundreds of years in the golden age..clear sign things were different back then & of the mountains tree stumps then the earth was definitely very different to what it was after the flood.

 

Was a good doc about it cant find now, actually made by a flerther with theories on the earth being a giant quarry too. Which there is tons of evidence of imo & didnt Enoch talk about Giant trees being cut down by Nephilim before the flood?

 

 

tired so spelling sucks zzz

Edited September 14, 2020 by oddsnsods

[alexa]

7 hours ago, oddsnsods said:

didnt Enoch talk about Giant trees being cut down by Nephilim before the flood?

 

Yes he did odds;

 

 

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How much money has gone into NASA’s research into a form of space which may not exist, when our own world and it’s origins & history,whilst passed off as the fantastic may be more realistic and amazing than a lot of complicated, undecipherable, formulae (albeit they may have a role to play for minds which understand them) of the cold side of science.

 

Edited September 15, 2020 by alexa

[serpentine]

23 hours ago, alexa said:

 

This is not a flat earth thread.

 

But it is another antiscience thread from a list of handy memes that can be constantly recycled to keep other topics coming to peoples attentions

 

9 hours ago, alexa said:

 

The thing here is that the flood took place around 2500 BC, about a thousand years on & David writes his Psalms stating in Psalm 148:4-6

 

Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And your waters above the heavens! Let them praise the name of the Lord, For He commanded and they were created. He has also established them forever and ever; He has made decrees which shall not pass away.

 

There's that significance between "a" flood and "the" flood .

 

The Middle East from time immemorial has been the site of floods some of them quite severe and of course absolutely catastrophic to the bronze age inhabitants most of whom had no scientific understanding either of the real age of the Earth nor of  it's size or shape  or ever changing climate. The regularity of flooding in each generation gave rise to the flooding meme which eventually found expression in the story of Noah. The ancient people knew well about the ship shaped rock outcrop in the kingdom of Urartu/Ararat. So what we see here is magnificent story telling from nomadic peoples that served in lieu of clay tablet cuneiform libraries of the myriad of middle eastern city states that were extent for several thousand years.

 

As each state fell in due course it's individual history was lost leaving room for the story telling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[alexa]

1 hour ago, serpentine said:

the bronze age inhabitants most of whom had no scientific understanding either of the real age of the Earth nor of  it's size or shape  or ever changing climate.

 

I have to disagree with you here as archaeologists/engineers are finding out more & more about some of these ancient  techniques they had to build these massive structures. some we could never replicate even today.

The Ancients knew more about Astrology then than than most Astrologers know today.

[serpentine]

40 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

I have to disagree with you here as archaeologists/engineers are finding out more & more about some of these ancient  techniques they had to build these massive structures. some we could never replicate even today.

The Ancients knew more about Astrology then than than most Astrologers know today.

 

No mention of architecture in my comment which includes the qualififer "most of" in it and it's never wise not to underestimate ones forebears.

 

The astrology of the nomadic pastoralists who didn't have the internet or tv but told stories was probably limited in practical terms to keeping track of the seasons and of navigation. Those in the city states with nice thick walls and a stable government made more precise studies for a variety of reasons some of which might have been the development of a culture of religious/civic nature based on cyclic astronomical events significance,  putting the wind with up the carefully manipulated superstitious populous and for various god Kings to make the Sun go away and come back again by Royal decree etc...

Edited September 15, 2020 by serpentine

[alexa]

@serpentine When the two hundred fallen angels landed on Mount Hermon (Gen 6) they taught men all sorts of things especially about the movement of the stars, sun, & the moon,  these ancients were well clued up before the flood.

Edited September 15, 2020 by alexa

[serpentine]

14 minutes ago, alexa said:

@serpentine When the two hundred fallen angels landed on Mount Hermon (Gen 6) they taught men all sorts of things especially about the movement of the stars, sun, & the moon,  these ancients were well clued up before the flood.

 

That's the sort of story one makes up when things are not written down or otherwise physically  preserved and it sounds very much like the ancients underestimating their forebears.

 

Space farers depicted as spiritual beings is another topic I imagine and there were several epic threads in the old foum (DIF -2) so it's a shame that it's not currently available.

Edited September 15, 2020 by serpentine

[Nobby Noboddy]

22 hours ago, oddsnsods said:

 

Have you ever been to a higher altitude before Knob? The air thins the higher you go.

 

 

Is Knob a time or are you calling me a knob?  Because if you'd like to trade insults, it's one of my passions flower.

 

The oxygen diminishes the higher you go up. Air, with the constituent oxygen has mass and gathers lower down, yes. There is variation in the differing layers all the way up.

 

At what height does the oxygen thin to the point of disappearing? Is it before or after the Thermosphere?

 

Please also explain why this rocket just starts tumbling at a certain height? There are two other interesting rocket videos but i'm having trouble finding them and will post when I can. I can't wait for you to explain them.

 

 

Also, I love when the narrator says at 00:50ish how it captures a picture of the earths curvature. Hold a ruler up, bearing in mind the altitude (70-90km+) together with the stated size of the ball - anyone got a CAD prog to simulate?

[Nobby Noboddy]

21 hours ago, oddsnsods said:

 

The earths atmosphere has changed after the flood or great cataclysm.

 

This resonates with me, also lots of mythology seems to point our Saturn being a second sun.

 

Water Vapor Canopy

Some interpreters believe that the waters above are referring to a water vapor canopy that was above the earth prior to the Flood of Noah. This canopy trapped the sun's rays more effectively than our present atmosphere does and gave a semi-tropical climate to every part of the world. It is from this canopy that the waters for the Flood came.

 

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_685.cfm

creep

[oddsnsods]

1 hour ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

Is Knob a time or are you calling me a knob?  Because if you'd like to trade insults, it's one of my passions flower.

 

The oxygen diminishes the higher you go up. Air, with the constituent oxygen has mass and gathers lower down, yes. There is variation in the differing layers all the way up.

 

At what height does the oxygen thin to the point of disappearing? Is it before or after the Thermosphere?

 

Please also explain why this rocket just starts tumbling at a certain height? There are two other interesting rocket videos but i'm having trouble finding them and will post when I can. I can't wait for you to explain them.

 

 

Also, I love when the narrator says at 00:50ish how it captures a picture of the earths curvature. Hold a ruler up, bearing in mind the altitude (70-90km+) together with the stated size of the ball - anyone got a CAD prog to simulate?

 

Knob on your on your air cylinder when you climb the summit of Everest where oxygen starts to disappear.

Thermosphere is about 50miles higher.

Makes perfect sense to me when you add gravity to the equation as the video explained air molecules recede back to earth. Better than some imaginary dome only the Jewy bible speaks of.

Im not a rocket scientist so cant help you on your video, but at a guess.. lack of fuel & the atmosphere play a part I would imagine.

 

As ive posted before, you can clearly predict & see where the ISS is going to be orbiting & video through a telescope or even camera, passing the moon or sun at nly 2000mph. Ive posted videos of Flerthers observing this also & admitting something is up there. This would not be happening if there was no atmosphere or sphere earth would it. Nothing would survive that speed for a start. This alone proves a spinning earth.

Why dont you guys ever tackle these obvious..if you call yourself truthseekers?

 

2 hours ago, Nobby Noboddy said:

creep

 

Just bored of dumb arguments that have no logic & ive been into the giant tree theory for years, giant petrified shrooms also.