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Mary Magdalene was an Ethiopian priestess and the wife of Jesus. She was rescued by Jesus from seven men possessed by demons. It was at their wedding that Jesus turned the water into wine. On the last night before Jesus was taken they conceived a child. After the crucifixion she traveled to France and formed the order of the blue rose. She is the black Madonna depicted in statues throughout the world 

 

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She is clearly a fascinating woman .....and more than likely involved in a sexual relationship with Jesus.

 

but the more interesting question is why the PTB were obsessed with portraying Jesus as a completely asexual being ( along with his mother,  ) and deleting any possibility of a sexual relationship with Mary Magdalene. 

 

The full transformation of the sexual force - the kundalini- is a power that they don’t want explored. 

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Jesus's ministry was only 3 or 4 years long which he spent the entire time trying to assemble a group of adept students and teach them, meeting with endless opposition and moving around.  After that he died bodily.

 

Mary Magdalene was extremely grateful because he saved her life, and converted her from her days of prostitution.  Since the 3rd century in both east and west traditions they have the oral history that she was the prostitute in the Bible.

 

Screwing was not high on his priorities ... but that's where mankind's at ... "who was he screwing, did he screw much, what was the name of the woman he was screwing, what music did he listen to when he was screwing, how can I get in on the action?"  Hmm ... I don't think you are actually interested in Jesus. 

Probably you say the same thing when you look at a wall ... "who are you screwing, and which position, do walls screw much?"

 

But yes ... there is a group of demons who have entered the fringes of the Church ... in order to utterly destroy it.  One of the little games they are playing is Black Lives Matter .... oh sorry ... I mean ... Mary Magadalene's Sex Lives Matter.  And you can buy several stacks of idiotic "books" by idiotic demons all about how much sex she had and in which position.  Mary Magdalene's kama sutra.  Cottage industry and everyone involved has entered the church like leeches.

 

As for the kunda-goddam-lini.  You really are desperate if your only spiritual avenue is have energy blow through the top of your head ... you may as well take peyote and hop around on one leg alternately chanting and vomiting.

 

Christianity had no need of such desperate measures because they had an enlightened and very powerful teacher.

 

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5 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Jesus's ministry was only 3 or 4 years long which he spent the entire time trying to assemble a group of adept students and teach them, meeting with endless opposition and moving around.  After that he died bodily.

 

Mary Magdalene was extremely grateful because he saved her life, and converted her from her days of prostitution.  Since the 3rd century in both east and west traditions they have the oral history that she was the prostitute in the Bible.

 

Screwing was not high on his priorities ... but that's where mankind's at ... "who was he screwing, did he screw much, what was the name of the woman he was screwing, what music did he listen to when he was screwing, how can I get in on the action?"  Hmm ... I don't think you are actually interested in Jesus. 

Probably you say the same thing when you look at a wall ... "who are you screwing, and which position, do walls screw much?"

 

But yes ... there is a group of demons who have entered the fringes of the Church ... in order to utterly destroy it.  One of the little games they are playing is Black Lives Matter .... oh sorry ... I mean ... Mary Magadalene's Sex Lives Matter.  And you can buy several stacks of idiotic "books" by idiotic demons all about how much sex she had and in which position.  Mary Magdalene's kama sutra.  Cottage industry and everyone involved has entered the church like leeches.

 

As for the kunda-goddam-lini.  You really are desperate if your only spiritual avenue is have energy blow through the top of your head ... you may as well take peyote and hop around on one leg alternately chanting and vomiting.

 

Christianity had no need of such desperate measures because they had an enlightened and very powerful teacher.

 

 

 

Come on. 

 

There is no evidence Magdalene was a prostitute. That was made up by the church centuries later.

 

and you can’t say any of the above as fact....only conjecture.

 

how do you know Jesus and Mary got up to in the silence and privacy of a bed room.

 

no, I believe the more interesting question is  why the PTB were obsessed with portraying Jesus as a completely asexual being ( along with his mother,  ) and deleting any possibility of a sexual relationship with Mary Magdalene.  It may take a while to see this post as my posts are being controlled and moderated and only allowed out if they are ‘suitable’. 

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25 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Jesus's ministry was only 3 or 4 years long which he spent the entire time trying to assemble a group of adept students and teach them, meeting with endless opposition and moving around.  After that he died bodily.

 

Mary Magdalene was extremely grateful because he saved her life, and converted her from her days of prostitution.  Since the 3rd century in both east and west traditions they have the oral history that she was the prostitute in the Bible.

 

Screwing was not high on his priorities ... but that's where mankind's at ... "who was he screwing, did he screw much, what was the name of the woman he was screwing, what music did he listen to when he was screwing, how can I get in on the action?"  Hmm ... I don't think you are actually interested in Jesus. 

Probably you say the same thing when you look at a wall ... "who are you screwing, and which position, do walls screw much?"

 

But yes ... there is a group of demons who have entered the fringes of the Church ... in order to utterly destroy it.  One of the little games they are playing is Black Lives Matter .... oh sorry ... I mean ... Mary Magadalene's Sex Lives Matter.  And you can buy several stacks of idiotic "books" by idiotic demons all about how much sex she had and in which position.  Mary Magdalene's kama sutra.  Cottage industry and everyone involved has entered the church like leeches.

 

As for the kunda-goddam-lini.  You really are desperate if your only spiritual avenue is have energy blow through the top of your head ... you may as well take peyote and hop around on one leg alternately chanting and vomiting.

 

Christianity had no need of such desperate measures because they had an enlightened and very powerful teacher.

 

 

But kundalini is just another name for sexual energy. Everybody has kundalini! And the more the better.

 

are you saying Jesus had no kundalini - no sex energy .

 

Nor Mary .

 

why not?

 

And What would be wrong if they were lovers? Why would that be a sin?

 

as for peyote, it should be a sacred valuable sacrament for everybody. The world would not be so fucked up ....just look at the catholic religion - if people loosened up and properly prepared and enjoyed it! 

 

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I dont know if Maria Magdalena was Ethiopian 🙃
but their Kingdom can be followed until King Solomon and Queen Sheba
read here.... 👉 Kebra Nagast

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebra_Nagast

 

Ethiopan food is very good .....Injera is made of teff flour - which is very healthy
I know this cause I knew someone from there in the past...beside of that..Ethiopian people are chaotic people 😊

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Johndavid said:

why the PTB were obsessed with portraying Jesus as a completely asexual being

 

What the hell are you talking about ?

He worked his guts out for 3 years as a spiritual teacher then died.  What do you expect that he fathered a large family in between?
Jesus himself advised people to take a wife and not something else, and he was certainly a feeling man and spent time happily in the company of women as well as his students.  But he also prayed to God every night for many hours and that was his priority at that time.

 

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48 minutes ago, Johndavid said:

But kundalini is just another name for sexual energy. Everybody has kundalini! And the more the better.

 

No ... 

Jesus taught enlightenment through transmission, he was a very powerful man and his students also very powerful.  They did not have time for bullshit.

 

There are many subtle energies in the body that can be tweaked, but this is for absolutely stupid people only ... those who cannot understand intellectually and cannot even understand devotionally ... those 3rd rate students will do some energy path and mostly die or go made in the process.

But an exciting suicide is what most fools get from the spiritual path.

 

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3 hours ago, Johndavid said:

And What would be wrong if they were lovers? Why would that be a sin?

 

Jesus was without blemish, sin was not found in him, like the first fruits who are the 144,000 who are sealed by God, who will reign with Jesus for a 1000 years when he returns.

These are the children who were murdered by King Herod when Jesus was 2 yrs old.

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20 hours ago, Johndavid said:

There is no evidence Magdalene was a prostitute. That was made up by the church centuries later.

 

This is correct.

 

A pope mixed up the Mary's in the Bible and labelled Magdelene a prostitute. The Catholic church have acknowledged this mistake and no longer believe Mary Magdelene was a prostitute.

 

Why some Christians still choose to believe she was a prostitute is beyond me.

 

And why if Mary was a prostitute would that preclude her from becoming spiritual? God loves the lost sheep that is returned to the flock, there's no reason why if she changed her ways she could not become a powerful siritual person. After all that is a central message of Christianity - that of redemption.

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Besides if 7 demons were really cast out of Mary by Jesus, who was God incarnate as the Catholics believe, then Mary woukd have been cleansed and blessed by God himself. Who's to say after such a powerful blessing what Mary would have been capable of spiritually, are we to put limits on what God can do? How do we know he didn't make her as good as new, as if she'd never sinned?

 

The whole argument about Mary being a sinner and therefore less spiritual is wrong as well as the church admitting her history to be wrong.

 

Mary was not a sinner and even if she was, she was redeemed and shouldn't be judged by it. But then Christians just love to judge others in direct contradiction to their own teachings.

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We are all "sinners", meaning we "miss the mark", meaning we exist in the lower world and are not Conscious.

Every single woman on the planet is a sinner so run around if on your white horse if that makes you feel good.

During Jesus's life he healed many people, removing leprosy from them instantly, he brought Lazarus back from the dead, healed those who could not see or walk.  One woman jumped forward and touched his garment ... Jesus turned around and saw that the woman had been healed, he said to her "your faith has saved you".

All these people simply went on their way.

When Jesus rose from the tomb after his physical death, he encountered Mary Magdalane who did not recognize him such a genius she was ... and he said "go tell my students that I am here".  Which she did. 

He did not say "oh my Mary, really fantastic woman genius you are so bloody amazing why don't we get married better yet here is the kama sutra, let's do number 27".

No he did not say that.

He said : "woman why are you weeping, tell the others I am here".

 

Both the Eastern Byzantine church and the Western... both had the oral tradition 1700 years ago that she was the prostitute which is why we are even discussing it.

No, sorry no alien mysteries here.

 

And yes Mary Magdalene was a beautiful woman because she had depth, she had depth because she had suffered and was lost, and was defiled and had seen the ugliness of people lying on top of her.

When Jesus died she waited at the foot of the Cross weeping for the one who had lifted her out of the darkness, so grateful was she.

 

You think you are "saving" her ... really you reduce her journey to nothing, to some ordinary girl.  

No she was not ordinary.

She was a beautiful and virile woman ... yet a young man had saved her, and asked nothing of her.

And she wept when he died.

 

 

 

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On 8/4/2020 at 5:07 PM, rideforever said:

I have no idea why I am always defending and re-asserting Christianity.  Nobody else seems to remember.

 

Your a Christian on an Anti Religion forum! On the old forum the rules stated you must not promote religion. It was in the rules man!!

Happy to have you hear, always interesting to hear a Christians views on some of the matters we discuss but don't feel singled out, you chose to come to a board like this and it is set up for the purpose of discussing how religions are control systems etc.

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Taken from an article in Nexus back in 1998. Sorry, its only part 1 and I haven't got part 2 but its interesting reading from someone with access to private records and sources.

 

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I did not decide to write the book [Bloodline of the Holy Grail]. The book happened by accident, not by design. It happened by virtue of the fact that for about the last ten years I have been the appointed historian and sovereign genealogist to thirty-three royal families. It happened because during those early periods I was documenting evidence on the history of those royal families and their noble offshoots, and the chivalric archives of those noble and sovereign families. What I was doing was putting together written chronological accounts of things that
these families knew the substance of but did not necessarily know the detail of. It is the reason why in Britain and Europe I necessarily spend far less time on this biblical aspect, because there's a lot of what we'll talk about tonight that in Europe is taken as read. It was never any secret when my book came out, for the majority of these people, that Jesus was married and that Jesus had heirs, because it was written as such in very many family archives, not necessarily just private but in the open domain. The published papers of Mary, Queen of Scots talk about it at length. The papers of James II of England, who was wasn't deposed until 1688, talk of it at length.

In putting together the detail, generation by generation, of this story, we were actually compiling something for posterity that, at that point in time when I began the work, was locked away in boxes and cupboards, and I was actually in a position where I was presented with things and said, "Look, this says, 'Last opened in 1732!". So, some very, very old documentation, not only last opened in seventeen-whenever, but actually documented and written down hundreds of years before that. The book happened by accident. Over a period of time—probably, looking back now, ten or twelve years ago—I began this work with separate commissions from separate families, doing work on these genealogies. What happened was they began to converge. It became very apparent—and it took a long time because genealogies have to be done backwards, put together backwards and constructed backwards—but what was happening was that a triangle, from a large top base with numerous family lines, was pulling in to a point.

I suddenly realised what this point was, and I said, "Wow, do you realise what I've found here?"; and they said, "Ah, you know the father of so and so?"; and I said, "No, no, no; I'm actually finding that this comes out of the House of Judah in the first century"; and they said, "Oh, yeah, we know all that; what we wanted you to do was for you..."; and I said, "Well, there are millions of people out there who do not know about it, so let's turn this triangle upside down and turn it into a book!". So that's how the book happened.

On top of that, for the last six years I have been Britain's Grand Prior of the Sacred Kindred of Saint Columba, the royal ecclesiastical seat of the Celtic Church. So I had, also, access to Celtic Church records dating back to AD 37. Because of my attachments to the families, to the knightly orders, I also had access to Templar documents, to the very documents that the Knights Templar brought out in Europe in 1128 and confronted the Church establishment with, and frightened the life out of them with, because these were documents that talked about bloodline and genealogy, and we'll get on to that.

So tonight we're going to embark on a time-honoured quest. Some have called it the ultimate quest. The Christian Church has condemned it as a heresy, and it is, of course, the quest for the Holy Grail. A heresy is described in all dictionaries as "an opinion which is contrary to the orthodox dogma of the Christian bishops", and, in this regard, those other quests which comprise much of today's scientific and medical research are equally heretical. The word "heresy" is, in essence, nothing more than a derogatory label, a tag used by a fearful Church establishment that has long sought to maintain control of society through fear of the unknown.

 A heresy can therefore define those aspects of philosophy, research, which quest into the realms of the unknown, and which from time to time provide answers and solutions that are quite contrary to Church doctrine. Quests are by their very nature intriguing; history and historical research are enlightening; but the findings from neither are of any use whatsoever unless there are present-day applications which, like science and medicine, can sow the seeds of a better future. History is no more than recorded experience—generally, the experience of its winners. It makes common sense to learn from the experience of yesterday. It's that very experience which holds the moral, cultural, political, social keys of tomorrow, and it's in this context that the Holy Grail supports that which we call "the Messianic Code". This is the code of social practice instituted by Jesus when he washed his apostles' feet at the Last Supper. It pertains to the obligations of giving and receiving service; it determines that those in positions of elected authority and influence should always be aware of their duties as representatives of society, obligated to serve society, not to presume authority over society.

It is the essential key to democratic government. This is defined as government by the people, for the people. Without the implementation of the Grail Code, we experience the only-too familiar government of the people. This is not democratic government. 

Now, in the course of our journey we'll be discussing many items which are thoroughly familiar, but we'll be looking at them from a different perspective to that normally conveyed. In this regard it will appear that we are often treading wholly new ground, but in fact it was only the ground that existed before it was carpeted and concealed by those with otherwise vested interests.

Only by rolling back this carpet of purposeful concealment can we succeed in our quest for the Holy Grail. So our quest will begin in the Holy Land of Judaea in the time of Jesus and we'll spend a good while there. I will not move from that era until we break, because it will take that long to set the emergent scene for the next 2,000 years of history. We'll be travelling through the Dark Ages then, to spend some time in mediaeval Europe. The Grail mystery will then be followed into King Arthur's Britain and, eventually, in time, to the United States of America where the American fathers were among the greatest exponents of the Grail Code. Eminent Americans such as George Washington, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Charles Thompson, Thomas Jefferson were as much champions of the Holy Grail as were King Arthur, Sir Lancelot and Galahad.

Bloodline of the Holy Grail, the book, has been described as "the book of messianic descent". It was a radio interviewer who called it that; and it's an apt description because the book carries the subtitle, The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed. This of course indicates that Jesus had children and, by implication therefore, that he was married. So was he married? Did Jesus have children? If so, do we know what happened to them? Are there descendants alive today? The answer to each of these questions is yes. We shall be looking at the emergent family in some detail. We will follow the story, their story, century by century; the story of a resolute royal dynasty, the descendant heirs of Jesus who struggled against all odds through the centuries to preserve the Messianic Royal Code down to date.

Tonight's story will be a conspiracy: usurped crowns, prosecutions, assassinations, and the unwarranted concealment of information from the people of the Western world. It's an account of good government and bad government; about how the patriarchal kingship of people was supplanted by dogmatic tyranny and the dictatorial lordship of lands. It's a compelling journey of discovery, a view of past ages, but with its eye firmly set on the future. This is history as it was once written but has never been told.

Let's begin with the most obvious of all questions. What is the Holy Grail? How is the Holy Grail connected with the descendant heirs of Jesus? The fact that Jesus had descendants might come as a surprise to some, but it was widely known in Britain and Europe until the late Middle Ages, just a few hundred years ago.

In mediaeval times, the line of messianic descent was defined by the French word Sangréal. This derived from the two words, Sang Réal, meaning "Blood Royal". This was the Blood Royal of Judah, the kingly line of David which progressed through Jesus and his heirs. In English translation, the definition, Sangréal, became "San Gréal", as in "San" Francisco. When written more fully it was written "Saint Grail", "Saint", of course, relating to "Holy"; and by a natural linguistic process came the more romantically familiar name, "Holy Grail".

From the Middle Ages there were a number of chivalric and military orders specifically attached to the Messianic Blood Royal in Britain and Europe. They included the Order of the Realm of Sion, the Order of the Sacred Sepulchre; but the most prestigious of all was the Sovereign Order of the Sangréal—the Knights of the Holy Grail. This was a dynastic Order of Scotland's Royal House of Stewart.

In symbolic terms the Grail is often portrayed as a chalice that contains the blood of Jesus; alternatively as a vine of grapes. The product of grapes is wine, and it is the chalice and the wine of Grail tradition that sit at the very heart of the Communion, the Mass, the Eucharist; and this sacrament, the Sacred Chalice, contains the wine that represents the perpetual blood of Jesus. It is quite apparent that although maintaining the ancient Communion custom, the Christian Church has conveniently ignored and elected not to teach the true meaning and origin of that custom. Few people even think to enquire about the ultimate symbolism of the chalice and wine sacrament, believing that it comes simply from some gospel entry relating to the Last Supper. Well, it's the significance of the perpetual blood of Jesus. How is the blood of Jesus, or anyone else for that matter, perpetuated? It is perpetuated through family and lineage.

So why was it that the Church authorities elected to ignore the bloodline significance of the Grail sacrament? They kept the sacrament. Why was it they went so far as to denounce Grail lore and Grail symbolism as heretical?

The fact is that every government and every church teaches the form of history or dogma most conducive to its own vested interest. In this regard we're all conditioned to receiving a very selective form of teaching. We are taught what we're supposed to know, and we are told what we're supposed to believe. But for the most part we learn both political and religious history by way of national or clerical propaganda, and this often becomes absolute dogma, teachings which may not be challenged for fear of reprisals.

With regard to the Church's attitude towards the chalice and the wine, it is blatantly apparent that the original symbolism had to be reinterpreted by the bishops because it denoted that Jesus had offspring and therefore that he must have united with a woman. But it was not only sacraments and customary ritual that were reinterpreted because of this: the very gospels themselves were corrupted to comply with the male-only establishment of the Church of Rome—much like a modern film editor will adjust and select the tapes to achieve the desiredresult, the result of the vested interest of the film-maker.

We're all familiar with the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but what about the other gospels? What about the Gospel of Philip, of Thomas, of Mary and of Mary Magdalene? What of all the numerous gospels and acts and epistles that were not approved by the Church councils when the New Testament was collated? Why were they excluded when the choices were made? There were actually two main criteria for selection of gospels for the New Testament. These were determined at the Council of Carthage in the year 397. The first criterion was that the New Testament must be written in the names of Jesus' own apostles. Mark was not an apostle of Jesus, as far as we know; nor was Luke. They were colleagues of the later St Paul. Thomas, on the other hand, was one of the original twelve, and yet the gospel in his name was excluded. Not only that, but along with numerous other gospels and texts it was destined and sentenced to be destroyed.

And so throughout the mediaeval world, Thomas and numerous other unapproved books were buried and hidden in the fifth century. Only in recent times have some of these manuscripts been unearthed, with the greatest find being at Nag Hammadi in Egypt in 1945, 1,500 years after the burial of these documents. Although these books weren't rediscovered until this present century, they were used openly by the early Christians. Certain of them, including the gospels mentioned, along with the Gospel of Truth, the Gospel of the Egyptians and others, were actually mentioned in writings by early churchmen. Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus of Lyon, Origen of Alexandria—they all mention these other gospels.

So why were the gospels of Mark and Luke selected if they were not Jesus' own apostles? Because Mark and Luke actually were apostles of Jesus, and the early Church fathers knew this. In those days before the New Testament was corrupted, they knew full well that Jesus survived the Crucifixion. In these early gospels there was no story of Resurrection; this was added later.

Why were other apostolic gospels not selected? Because there was a second, far more important criterion—the criterion by which, in truth, the gospel selection was really made. And this was a wholly sexist regulation. It precluded anything that upheld the status of women in Church or community, society. Indeed, the Church's own apostolic constitutions were compiled on this basis. They state, "We do not permit our women to teach in the Church, only to pray and to hear those who teach. Our master, when he sent us the twelve, did nowhere send out a woman; for the head of the woman is the man, and is it not reasonable that the body should govern the head?". This was rubbish, but it was for this very reason that dozens of gospels were not selected—because they made it quite clear that there were very many active women in the ministry of Jesus. Mary Magdalene, Martha, Helena-Salome, Mary Jacob Cleophas, Joanna. These were not only ministry disciples; they're recorded as priestesses in their own right, running exemplary schools of worship in the Nazarene tradition.

In St Paul's Epistle to the Romans, Paul makes specific mention of his own female helpers: Phoebe, for example, whom he called a sister of the Church; Julia; Priscilla, who laid down her net for the cause. The New Testament is alive with women disciples, but the Church ignored them all. When the Church's precepts of ecclesiastical discipline were drawn up, they stated, "It is not permitted for a woman to speak in Church, nor to claim for herself any share in any masculine function". But the Church itself had decided that this was a masculine function.

The Church was so frightened of women that it instituted a rule of celibacy: a rule for its priests, a rule that became a l a w i n 1138; a law that persists today. Well, this rule has never been quite what it appears on the surface, because, when one reads the rule, when one studies history, one can see that it was never, ever sexual activity as such that bothered the Church. The specific definition that made this rule possible was priestly intimacy with women. Why? Because women become wives and lovers. The very nature of motherhood is a perpetuation of bloodlines. It was this that bothered the Church: a taboo subject—motherhood, bloodlines. This image h a d to be separated from the necessary image of Jesus.

But it wasn't as if the Bible had said any such thing. St Paul had said in his Epistle to Timothy that a bishop should be married to one wife and that he should have children; that a man with experience in his own family household is actually far better qualified to take care of the Church. Even though the Roman Church authorities claimed to uphold the teaching of St Paul in particular, they chose completely to disregard this explicit directive to suit their own ends, so that Jesus' own marital status could be strategically ignored.

But the Church's celibate, unmarried image of Jesus was fully contradicted in other writings of the era. It was openly contradicted in the public domain until the perpetuation of the truth was proclaimed a punishable heresy only 450 years ago in 1547, the year that Henry VIII died in England. It's not just the Christian New Testament that suffers from these sexist restrictions. A similar editing process was applied to the Jewish-based Old Testament, and this made it conveniently suitable to be added to the Christian Bible. This is made particularly apparent by a couple of entries that bypassed the editors' scrutiny.

The books of Joshua and 2 Samuel both refer to the much more ancient Book of Jasher. They say it's very important, the Book of Jasher. Where is it? Not in the Bible. Like so many other books, it was purposely left out. But does it still exist? Yes. The nine foot Hebrew scroll of Jasher still exists. It has been historically important for a long, long time. It was the jewel of the court of Emperor Charlemagne, and the translation of the Book of Jasher was the very reason that the University of Paris was founded, in the year 800. That was about a century before the Old Testament that we know was actually put together. Jasher was the staff-bearer to Moses. His writings are of enormous significance. The accounts relate to the story of the Israelites in Egypt, to their exodus into Canaan. But these stories differ considerably from the way we know the story today. They explain that it was not Moses who was the spiritual leader of the tribes who crossed the Red Sea to Mount Sinai. The spiritual leader was Miriam.

At that time the Jews had never heard of Jehovah; they worshipped the goddess Asherah. Their spiritual leaders were largely female. Miriam posed, according to the Book of Jasher, such a problem for Moses in his attempt to create a new environment of male dominance that he imprisoned her; and the Jewish nation rose against Moses with their armies to secure Miriam's release. This is not in the Bible. 

So let's move to where the Christian story itself began. Let's look at the gospels themselves and, in doing that, let's see what they actually tell us, against what we think they tell us, because we have all learned to go along with what we are taught about the gospels in schoolrooms and churches. But is the teaching correctly related always? Does it conform with the written scriptures? It's actually surprising how much we think we know, but we've learned it just from pulpits or from picture books, not from necessarily studying the texts. The nativity story itself provides a good example. It's widely accepted, and the Christmas cards keep telling us that Jesus was born in a stable. The gospels don't say that. There is no stable mentioned in any authorised gospel. The nativity is not mentioned at all in Mark or John, and Matthew says quite plainly that Jesus was born in a house. So where did the stable come from? It came from a misinterpretation, really, of the Gospel of Luke which relates that Jesus was laid in a manger—not b o r n, but l a i d—and a manger was then, and still is, nothing more than an animal feeding box. One only has to study society history of the time to recognise the fact that it was perfectly common for mangers to be used as cradles, and they were often brought indoors for that very purpose.

So why has it been presumed that this particular manger was in a stable? Because the English translations of Luke tell us that there was no room in the inn. Must then have been in a stable! But the pre-English translations of Luke don't talk about any inn; the manuscript of Luke does not say there was no room in the inn. In fact, there were no inns in the East in those days. There are very few inns there now; and if there are, they're illegal! People lodged then in private houses. It was a common way of life. It was called family hospitality. Homes were open for travellers. Come to that, if we're really going to be precise about this, there were no stables in the region, either. In fact, "stable" is a wholly English word and it specifically defines a place for keeping horses; horses of a particular stable. Who on earth rode around on horses in Judaea? Oxen, camels; the odd Roman officer might have had a horse, but even the mules and the oxen, if kept under cover, would have been kept under some sort of a shed or out-house, not in a stable.

As for the mythical inn, the Greek text actually does not say there was no room at the inn. By the best translation it actually states that there was no provision in the room. As mentioned in Matthew, Jesus was born in a house and, as correctly translated, Luke reveals that Jesus was laid in a manger, an animal feeding box, because there was no cradle provided in the room. If we're on the subject of Jesus' birth, I think we ought to look at the chronology here, because this is important as well; because the gospels, the two gospels that deal with the nativity, actually give us two completely different dates for the event. According to Matthew, Jesus was born in the reign of King Herod, Herod the Great, who debated the event with the Magi and ordered the slaying of the infants. Well, Herod died in 4 BC, and we know from Matthew that Jesus was born before that. And because of that, most standard concordant Bibles and history books imply that Jesus' date of birth was 5 BC, because that is before 4 BC and Herod was still reigning, so that's a good date. But in Luke, a completely different date is given. Luke doesn't tell us about King Herod or anything like that. Luke says that Jesus was born while Cyrenius was Governor of Syria, the same year that the Emperor Augustus implemented the national census, the census which Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem to be a part of.

There are relevant points to mention here, and they are both recorded in the first-century Jewish annals (such as T h e Antiquities of the Jews). Cyrenius was appointed Governor of Syria in AD 6. This was the very year recorded of the nationalcensus, put into operation by Cyrenius and ordered by Emperor Augustus. As Luke tells us, it was the first and only ever recorded census for the region. So Jesus was born before 4 BC and in AD 6. Is this a mistake? No, not necessarily, because in the way it was originally portrayed we're actually looking at two quite specific births. Both gospels are correct. We're looking at Jesus' physical birth, and we're looking at Jesus' community birth. These were defined at the time as the first and second births, and they applied specifically to people of particular groups and certainly to dynastic heirs.

Second births for boys were performed by way of a ritual of rebirth. It was very physical: they were wrapped in swaddling clothes and born again from their mother's womb. It was a physical ceremony. Second births for boys took place at the age of twelve. So we know that Jesus was twelve in AD 6. Unfortunately, the latter-day transcribers of Luke completely missed the significance of this, and it was their endeavour to somehow tie in this event about swaddling clothes and being born then, that led to this mention of the nonsense about the stable.

So if Jesus was twelve in AD 6, this means that he was born in 7 BC, which ties in perfectly well with the Matthew account that he was born during the latter reign of King Herod. But we now discover what appears to be another anomaly, because Luke says later in the gospel that when Jesus was twelve years old, his parents, Mary and Joseph, took him to Jerusalem for the day. They then left the city to walk home for a full day's journey with their friends before they realised that Jesus was not in their party. They then returned to Jerusalem to find him at the temple, discussing his father's business with the doctors. Well, what sort of parents can wander for a whole day in the desert, without knowing their twelve-year-old son's not there?

The fact is that the whole point of the passage has been missed. There was a wealth of difference between a twelve-year-old son and a son in his twelfth year. When a son, on completing his initial twelve years—that is to say, when he was actually on his thirteenth birthday—was initiated into the community at the ceremony of his second birth, he was regarded as commencing his first year. It was the original root of the modern bar mitzvah. His next initiation, the initiation of manhood in the community, took place in his ninth year, when he was twenty-one—the root of the age twenty-one privilege. Various degrees followed, and the next major test was in his twelfth year—at the end of his twelfth year, at the age of twenty-four, on his twenty-fourth birthday. When Jesus remained at the temple in his twelfth year, he was actually twenty-four. Not surprising that they expected him not perhaps to be wandering around the desert with them!

So his discussion with the doctors related to his next degree. He would have discussed this at the time with the spiritual father, the father of the community; and indeed, he did. It was the father's business he discussed; his father's business. The father of this era is recorded. The spiritual father of the community at that time was Simeon the Essene, and if we look back a few verses in Luke we see that it was exactly this man, the just and devout Simeon, who legitimated Jesus under the law.

 So can we trust the gospels? Well, as we can see, the answer is, yes, we can actually trust the gospels to a point, but what we can't trust is the way that they've been convoluted and distorted, and taught to us by people who don't understand what they actually said in the first place.

The present English-language gospels date back effectively to the Authorized Bible, compiled for the Stewart King James I of England in the early 17th century. This was published and set into print no more than 165 years before America's Declaration of Independence; only a few years before the first Pilgrim Fathers set sail from England. The gospels of the early Church were originally written in second and third century Greek. Along with the Bible as a whole, they were translated into Latin in the fourth century, but it was then to be more than a thousand years before any English translation was made.

Bible translation was risky then, though. Fourteenth century reformer John Wycliffe was denounced as a heretic for translating the Bible into English. His books were burned. In the early 16th century, William Tyndale was strangled as a form of execution, in Belgium, and then burned, just in case he wasn't dead, for translating the Bible into English. A little later, Miles Coverdale, a disciple of his, made another translation; and by that time the Church itself had split up quite nicely, so Coverdale's version was accepted by the Protestant Church— but he was still a heretic in the eyes of Rome. The problem was that as long as the printed text remained obscure (and it wasn't just ordinary Latin; this was an horrendous form of Church Latin), as long as o n l y the bishops could understand it, they could teach whatever on Earth they wanted. If it were translated into the languages that other people could understand and maybe read for themselves, this would pose a problem because the Church could be called to question.

To be continued in the next issue of NEXUS...

 
About the Speaker:
Sir Laurence Gardner, Kt St Gm, KCD, is an internationally known sovereign and chivalric genealogist. He holds the position of Grand Prior of the Celtic Church's Sacred Kindred of Saint Columba, and is distinguished as the Chevalier Labhràn de Saint Germain. Sir Laurence is also Presidential Attaché to the European Council of Princes, a constitutional advisory body established in 1946. He is formally attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House of Stewart, founded at St Germain-en-Laye in 1692, and is the Jacobite Historiographer Royal.

 

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On 8/2/2020 at 9:28 PM, Diesel said:

Mary Magdalene was an Ethiopian priestess and the wife of Jesus. She was rescued by Jesus from seven men possessed by demons. It was at their wedding that Jesus turned the water into wine. On the last night before Jesus was taken they conceived a child. After the crucifixion she traveled to France and formed the order of the blue rose. She is the black Madonna depicted in statues throughout the world 

 

More....

https://www.essene.org/mmholygrail.htm

 

I've written about the so called 'black virgin' story in France.. the 'black virgin' is commonly believed to be a representation of Mary Magdalene. I even used to live in Le Puy en Velay, one of the towns associated with the cult of the black virgin.

 

But the black virgin is something evil..... Kali, the Goddess of destruction.... 

 

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Le Puy en Velay: Cult of La Vierge Noire.
 
This cult of the black Madonna is celebrated in various locations throughout the world from Germany, Malta, Spain to locations in the New World like Brazil and even Cuba, and there are said to be between 450 and 500 black Madonna statues in the world. However the cult seems to have a particular focus in France which has 180 of these black Madonnas and in particular to the south of France and a gipsy or ‘gitane’ town called Sainte Maries-de-la-Mer which was made reference to in the Holy Blood Holy Grail as the location of the arrival of Mary Magdalene from the Holy Land.

 
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The cult of the black Madonna even extends to Ukraine where she is known as The Queen of the Carpathans and we can observe from this that the cult extended even to the Translyvanian mountains, the home of Vlad the Impaler.

This supposed, Sangreal, or Holy royal blood thus has spread throughout the world. At least this is what the Freemasons Michael Baigent, Dan Brown, Tom Hanks and Ron Howard have conspired to want us to think it is. In reality it literally the very opposite. Admittedly it is the royal blood, it is the blood of genetically inherited madness: the bloodline of Cain. However it has nothing to do with Jesus, the 'Sara' summised by Baigent to be the daughter of Jesus and Mary was in fact an Egyptian servant of the three Maries: Mary Salome (mother of apostles John and James) Mary Jacobe and Mary Magdalen.

In fact there is even some doubt that Mary Magdalen was even one of the Maries to arrive at Sainte Marie de la Mer, local legend states that there were in fact only two Maries: Mary Jacobe and Mary Salome.

The third Mary: Mary Magdalen was apparently added to the story in the Legenda Aurea, written and compiled from a strange collection of haliographies from the Dominican order, by the archbishop of Genoa: Jacobus de Voragine in the 13th Century.
 

Contrary to the writings and inventions of a 13th century Pheonician archbishop there is actually no record of the arrival of Mary Magdalen at Sainte Maries de la Mer at all, and the official local lore indicates that only two Maries were present: Mary Salome and Mary Jacobe, and you can check for yourself in the following tourist board description of the pilgrimmages of the 24th and 25th of May, there is absolutely no mention of Mary Magdalene. http://www.avignon-et-provence.com/saintes-maries-de-la-mer/gypsy-pilgrimage/#.VqlBsiMgXIU

There is a vague and strange reference to the presence of Mary Magdalene, who apparently preached in Marseille and afterwards spent 30 years living in a cave in Saint Baume and there is a gothic church of the 13th century which claims to hold her skull as a holy relic.  Yet there was no local folklore on this subject, unlike the gypsy association and subteranean altar of the Saint Maries church, the whole tale Mary Magdalene's presence in France apparently seems to have come to the Charles II King of Naples in a dream and may have been more in line with instituting the veneration of a pagan Mother-Goddess or Ishtar Queen of Heaven, disguised as Christian lore.

A lot of these strange tales seem to originate from amongst the Freemasons and other secret European fraternites, and just as the Masons Baigent and Dan Brown worked to attempt to subvert the story of Christ with a strange tale of a mythical bloodline, which handily they claim found its way into the secret societies and indeed, that the secret societies themselves are part of Jesus' bloodline. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

Not whining mate, just saying it as it is.

 

What's your thread on Mary Magdalene about then ... religion or anti-religion ?  They're both religions in my opinion, because a "religion" is when your talk is cheap and job copied from the TV/ internet as some sort of agenda.

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2 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

But the black virgin is something evil..... Kali, the Goddess of destruction.... 

 

Oh dear me...no no...while you are all quite free to defend christianity etc.,, plz do not muddy the concepts in other religions. Kali kills evil..she is not evil, she kills demons in hindu mythology (details would be too long for this thread)...where these gods and goddesses represent the varied forms of the supreme force of Nature. She is not even remotely similar to any (sinned or sinner) man or woman redeemed by your god  jesus, Kali is redemption herself.

 

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1 hour ago, rideforever said:

 

What's your thread on Mary Magdalene about then ... religion or anti-religion ?  They're both religions in my opinion, because a "religion" is when your talk is cheap and job copied from the TV/ internet as some sort of agenda.

 

Oh RideForever, I was just trying to be cordial, friendly even. I won't bother in future.

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