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GRAVITY ERROR? New Large-Telescope Measurements Show There Is A Serious PROBLEM With Existing Theories of Gravity, Dark Matter And General Relativity


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Science-Nerd Discussion here:

https://science.slashdot.org/story/20/08/01/1820242/gravity-error-detected#comments

 

Newspaper article here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/universe-map-dark-matter-homogenous-kids-standard-model-einstein-a9647186.html

 

 

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The large scale maps of the universe show something is seriously wrong with current models of gravity and dark matter. The universe simply isn't clumping right and, no, it's not the new improved formula. As you go from the early universe to the present day, gravity should cause things to clump in specific ways.

It isn't. Which means dark matter can't be cold and general relativity may have a problem.

They need more data to prove it's not just a freaky part of the universe they're looking at, which is being collected.

 

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Gravity explains everything that it is claimed to do. Quite how you can reference the aether when Michelson/Morley proved it didn't exist is baffling. Aren't you one of the space deniers? How in hell

Can I just politely ask why you joined this forum? It's just that you remind me of one or two previous members here, who very stoically defended the 'established' scientific beliefs and stifled any 'i

If Einstein was WRONG and things can very much "travel faster than the speed of light" then we may be WITHIN VERY EASY REACH OF MANY OTHER CIVILIZATIONS IN THE UNIVERSE.   This is why it is

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Gravity is a terrible theory that is actually quite ridiculous. Newton himself tried his best to distance himself from the idea that a magical force exists inside mass that attracts other mass. Einstein's theory explains that gravity is not even a force. Today the mainstream world believes that mass warps spacetime and that everything just follows this path. None of it proven, but that is the modern claim.

 

Why do you need gravity to explain why 10 pounds of rocks falls to the ground while 10 pounds of helium rises to the sky?

 

Why do rain drops fall through air?

 

Why do air bubbles rise through water?

 

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On 8/2/2020 at 6:37 PM, bflat said:

Gravity is a terrible theory that is actually quite ridiculous. Newton himself tried his best to distance himself from the idea that a magical force exists inside mass that attracts other mass. Einstein's theory explains that gravity is not even a force. Today the mainstream world believes that mass warps spacetime and that everything just follows this path. None of it proven, but that is the modern claim.

 

Why do you need gravity to explain why 10 pounds of rocks falls to the ground while 10 pounds of helium rises to the sky?

 

Why do rain drops fall through air?

 

Why do air bubbles rise through water?

 

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As a local model Gravity explains all the above.

It's at scale where these issues arise.

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On 8/4/2020 at 1:47 PM, Mikhail Liebestein said:

As a local model Gravity explains all the above.

What? How? It appears as though gravity is not necessary to explain anything local which is really the point.

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4 hours ago, bflat said:

What? How? It appears as though gravity is not necessary to explain anything local which is really the point.

 

The theory of gravity at planetary level, solar system level works perfectly well. If it didn't satellites wouldn't exist. Your fluid density tube is also easily explainable based on material density.

 

The only challenges with gravity I am aware of are at beyond galaxy scale and involve dark matter. 

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If Einstein was WRONG and things can very much "travel faster than the speed of light" then we may be WITHIN VERY EASY REACH OF MANY OTHER CIVILIZATIONS IN THE UNIVERSE.

 

This is why it is important whether the STANDARD MODELS OF PHYSICS GOVERNING OUR UNIVERSE are CORRECT or INCORRECT.

 

If EINSTEIN WAS DEAD WRONG, then YES, we have PROBABLY BEEN VISITED MANY, MANY TIMES FROM ALL SORTS OF OTHER PLACES IN THE UNIVERSE.

 

 

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On 8/6/2020 at 3:41 PM, Mikhail Liebestein said:

The theory of gravity at planetary level, solar system level works perfectly well.

As shown above, gravity is simply not needed to explain anything here.

 

Give these questions an honest shot:

Why do you need gravity to explain why 10 pounds of rocks falls to the ground while 10 pounds of helium rises to the sky?

 

Why do rain drops fall through air?

 

Why do air bubbles rise through water?

 

On 8/6/2020 at 3:41 PM, Mikhail Liebestein said:

Your fluid density tube is also easily explainable based on material density.

It is called relative density... perhaps we agree here?

 

On 8/7/2020 at 10:14 AM, HistoryIsComplex said:

If Einstein was WRONG and things can very much "travel faster than the speed of light" then we may be WITHIN VERY EASY REACH OF MANY OTHER CIVILIZATIONS IN THE UNIVERSE.

 

This is why it is important whether the STANDARD MODELS OF PHYSICS GOVERNING OUR UNIVERSE are CORRECT or INCORRECT.

 

If EINSTEIN WAS DEAD WRONG, then YES, we have PROBABLY BEEN VISITED MANY, MANY TIMES FROM ALL SORTS OF OTHER PLACES IN THE UNIVERSE.

 

 

Einstein is certainly wrong, but it has nothing to do with anything traveling faster than light. Once he removed the aether from the equation, nothing else mattered (pun intended). In fact, had there never had been physicists such as Airy, Michelson, Morley, Gale, Sagnac, Kantor, Nordmeyer and others, we would likely never even of heard of Albert, nor the idiocy that was attributed to him.

 

 

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I know you wont watch it ,as soon as you hear the word space you will switch it off but it may explain a few things, as this fellow counters a lot of the theories of modern quantum physics,and backs it up with math, he has solved the problem of the very small being different to the very large  ( unified field theory)

 

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On 8/4/2020 at 7:42 AM, Messenger said:

Why does a compass point north?

 

B/C of the very strong  magnetic loadstone mountain which is dead center of earth.

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13 hours ago, alexa said:

 

B/C of the very strong  magnetic loadstone mountain which is dead center of earth.

How come the magnetic north pole  fluctuates 25 to 30 mile a year and is moving south

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51 minutes ago, peter said:

How come the magnetic north pole  fluctuates 25 to 30 mile a year and is moving south

 Yes and there's also rumors that the earth's going to flip, impossible........

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5 hours ago, alexa said:

 Yes and there's also rumors that the earth's going to flip, impossible........

Actually that's incorrect ,the earths magnetic poles are going to  flip as they have done 4 times in the past The suns poles flip every 11 years on average ,it's called the sun spot cycle

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1 hour ago, peter said:

Actually that's incorrect ,the earths magnetic poles are going to  flip as they have done 4 times in the past The suns poles flip every 11 years on average ,it's called the sun spot cycle

 

Was at one time a "why the dinosaurs died out" theory 

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3 hours ago, peter said:

Actually that's incorrect ,the earths magnetic poles are going to  flip as they have done 4 times in the past The suns poles flip every 11 years on average ,it's called the sun spot cycle

 

So does this mean we suddenly wake up one morning to find out that Santa’s workshop is in the Southern Hemisphere. Oh No😮

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On 8/10/2020 at 11:36 PM, alexa said:

 

So does this mean we suddenly wake up one morning to find out that Santa’s workshop is in the Southern Hemisphere. Oh No😮

LOLOLOL

 

These ridiculous claims are just that and never have been shown to be true.

 

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14 minutes ago, bflat said:

These ridiculous claims are just that and never have been shown to be true.

 

So we don't wake up to find Santa has moved to the south ? Oh thank goodness for that 😀

 

 

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On 8/11/2020 at 3:36 PM, alexa said:

 

So does this mean we suddenly wake up one morning to find out that Santa’s workshop is in the Southern Hemisphere. Oh No😮

It wouldn't make any difference as only the good little kiddies get a pressie

19 hours ago, bflat said:

These ridiculous claims are just that and never have been shown to be true

Like the good old 1000ft ice wall and dome

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On 8/9/2020 at 2:45 AM, bflat said:

As shown above, gravity is simply not needed to explain anything here.

 

Einstein is certainly wrong, but it has nothing to do with anything traveling faster than light. Once he removed the aether from the equation, nothing else mattered (pun intended). In fact, had there never had been physicists such as Airy, Michelson, Morley, Gale, Sagnac, Kantor, Nordmeyer and others, we would likely never even of heard of Albert, nor the idiocy that was attributed to him.

 

Gravity explains everything that it is claimed to do. Quite how you can reference the aether when Michelson/Morley proved it didn't exist is baffling. Aren't you one of the space deniers? How in hell does that work?

 

 

 

On 8/9/2020 at 2:45 AM, bflat said:

Why do you need gravity to explain why 10 pounds of rocks falls to the ground while 10 pounds of helium rises to the sky?

 

 

Because both adhere to the gravitational model. Helium rises because it has less density than the medium in which it is released. It rises to a point where its mass is equal to the volume of air around it.

On 8/9/2020 at 2:45 AM, bflat said:

Why do rain drops fall through air?

 

 

Because they are heavier.

 

On 8/9/2020 at 2:45 AM, bflat said:

Why do air bubbles rise through water?

 

Because air has less density than water.

 

On 8/9/2020 at 2:45 AM, bflat said:

It is called relative density... perhaps we agree here?

 

 

Nonsense. Only air in water and helium in air fall into that category. The others, any falling object are due to gravity.

 

Explain why air is less dense the higher up you go. You can't say density is the cause, because it is the bleeding result - of gravity! 

Explain why a man jumping up in Mexico City doesn't jump significantly higher than at sea level.

 

 

Science doesn't have all the answers - especially to a full universe explanation, but some of the mathematics involved in cosmology is incredibly accurate. 

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On 8/22/2020 at 10:06 PM, Carlos said:

Explain why air is less dense the higher up you go. You can't say density is the cause, because it is the bleeding result - of gravity! 

Explain why a man jumping up in Mexico City doesn't jump significantly higher than at sea level.

Good questions ,but don't bother asking as they are always  ignored or answered with another question that is always mostly irrelevant , I've given up at this moment, a few snide and  rather pointed  comments is all I can be bothered with now

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On 8/22/2020 at 10:06 PM, Carlos said:
  On 8/9/2020 at 11:45 AM, bflat said:

It is called relative density... perhaps we agree here?

At last Mr flat we have common ground, I have to agree that some people are relatively denser than others, watch out for the foo bird

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On 8/22/2020 at 1:06 PM, Carlos said:

 

Explain why air is less dense the higher up you go. You can't say density is the cause, because it is the bleeding result - of gravity!

 

The reason why air is less dense the higher up you go is because of the ether.

 

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2 hours ago, alexa said:

 

The reason why air is less dense the higher up you go is because of the ether.

 

No, really it isn't. Just because Tesla (ooooooo not Tezzy - the main man🙄) hypothesised about it, doesn't mean that countless scientists haven't disproven its existence! Students all over the planet have repeated the Michelson-Morley experiment disproving beyond doubt, the existence of the aether.

 

Why can't people jump higher in less dense air!?

 

 

I find your posts a little bit absurd. On the one hand you argue patently that there is no space then quote a theory ABOUT SPACE by Tesla!

https://www.aetherforce.energy/teslas-dynamic-theory-of-gravity/

 

https://drnikolatesla.tumblr.com/post/120282936718/nikola-tesla-on-albert-einsteins-theory-of

“It might be inferred that I am alluding to the curvature of space supposed to exist according to the teachings of relativity, but nothing could be further from my mind. I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved, is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view.”

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6 hours ago, Carlos said:

I find your posts a little bit absurd. On the one hand you argue patently that there is no space then quote a theory ABOUT SPACE by Tesla!

 

 Space may not exist but the three realms of heaven do, I believe Tesla when he says,  'we wrongly call the ether gravitation'.

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