Thread about Freemasonry.

[Truthspoon]

 

[pi3141]

I'm interested in Freemasonary, I started a thread on Mithraism and how it may be linked to Freemasonary in Scotland but that seems to have got lost with the hack.

 

What direction are you hoping to explore with this thread - its secret teachings, philosophy or perhaps its history or alleged conspiracies (like eating children as the caller in your vid alleges)

 

According to the Masons their fraternity goes back to 1700's. But dig a little deeper and we find there was a lodge in Scotland in the 16th century. 

 

The Masons claim they don't know from where it originates, but I don't believe that! Seems they don't know whom they worship if they don't know how it started.

 

The thread I started on Mithraism explained that the cult of Mithra may have been passed to the Scotish when the Romans had settlements there. The Romans were great builders to. In the thread, from memory, I think the Mithra cult had secret handshakes and degree's of initiation so seems comprable to Freemasonary, Mithtraism was certainly another Solar cult, probably straight out of one of the mystery schools in Babylon.

 

You may not want to hear it but the book, The Devils Pulpit by Rev Taylor has 3 chapters on Freemasonary where Rev Taylor reveals a few secrets of Freemasonary. I would be happy to post the info if your interested.

[Beaujangles]

I bought a box of old books from a garden sale here in Canada. One book is called Constitution... I started to read it and realized it was explaining everything about Freemasonry.  Wish I knew who it had belonged to. 

[Michi713]

The Masonic interpretation of Janus is particularly interesting.  It is everything.  The two Saint Johns, the solstices, Hinduism. But it’s the gates.  Are the gates opened at the solstices to new initiates to learn the lesser and greater mysteries?
 

https://staffs.proboards.com/thread/3886/aspects-symbolism-janus

[Michi713]

And what about Helios?  Colossus of Rhodes.  Why are there Helios lodges anyone know?  Are there sects within masonry that worship this god? 
 

Met an unsavory character who was offended at the mention of Helios.  Apparently meant something significant.  

[Michi713]

Then there’s Sol who is said in this article to be once a part of Janus now not.  
 

https://www.masonicforum.ro/no-56/trevor-stewart-some-thoughts-about-the-roman-deity-janus/

 

So in this interpretation Janus is Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva is the unseen but all seeing eye.  Maybe.  These things are confusing. 
 

 

[pi3141]

Freemasonry is Luciferian, from Manly P Hall

 

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The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry or The Secret Of Hiram Abiff - Manly P Hall

When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.
 

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by pi3141

[FrankVitali]

[Steph]

Look more closely at the actual emblems on the dress.

[alexa]

On 8/30/2020 at 2:58 PM, pi3141 said:

The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry or The Secret Of Hiram Abiff - Manly P Hall

When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.

 

The origin of Freemasonry has been since the beginning of time. It started with the fallen Angels who taught man their seven secret sciences,which apparently were stolen from Heaven.

 

Before the great flood Hermes (https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/gods/hermes/) carved into a rock these seven secret sciences and these secret sciences were followed on by Nimrod, the Greek Helios, and then to Solomon, which then passed onto the Romans, the Knight Templar's, the Scottish, right up to the present day.

 

 

[pi3141]

8 hours ago, alexa said:

 

The origin of Freemasonry has been since the beginning of time. It started with the fallen Angels who taught man their seven secret sciences,which apparently were stolen from Heaven.

 

Before the great flood Hermes (https://greekgodsandgoddesses.net/gods/hermes/) carved into a rock these seven secret sciences and these secret sciences were followed on by Nimrod, the Greek Helios, and then to Solomon, which then passed onto the Romans, the Knight Templar's, the Scottish, right up to the present day.

 

Thanks, I agree it goes way back past even Egypt. Moses was apparently an initiate in Egyptian Mystery Schools it says in the Bible he was filled with all the wisdom of Egypt.

 

As for the fallen angels, its similar to the Jews getting the Quabalah from Gabriel. How sure can we be that they were in fact Angels? Like Mohammed (pbuh) getting the Koran from an angel, how do we know these 'Angels' weren't in fact dark magicians? I read somewhere Mohammed (pbuh) actually got it from the Knights Templar.

 

I've read the Koran and I don't accept it as the word of God, there's some terrible teachings in there, its certainly not divinely inspired. The Bible on the other hand does have some beautiful teachings in it but some of the stuff in the OT - stoning people for wearing 2 different fabrics for instance are again not divinely inspired and I think evidence of evil meddling and corrupting it. I wonder again if we're not dealing with Fallen Angels but dark magicians whom ultimately serve dark forces - but what are they? ET's or Demons, Fallen Angels? I think enough truth has come through in the Bible and its correct that we in fact battle Satan. I really don't think an ET race would be bothered to watch us for thousands of years - for what purpose, if you start arguing there here for our souls then once again we're back to spiritual battles and not physical ones like genetic harvesting would be. Now just to be clear that doesn't mean I dismiss alien visitation, far from it. I believe their out there, maybe closer than we think but of course some of them may also be a Satanic deception. 

[alexa]

25 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

how do we know these 'Angels' weren't in fact dark magicians? I read somewhere Mohammed (pbuh) actually got it from the Knights Templar.

 

It tells us in the bible;

 

2 peter 2:4

 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;

 

Revelation 12:7-9

Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

 

Job:38 4-7 (about the Angels)

 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone— 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

 

Genesis 6

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

 

Known as the Nephilim (the giants)

Edited October 22, 2020 by alexa

[Truthspoon]

On 7/31/2020 at 3:55 PM, pi3141 said:

I'm interested in Freemasonary, I started a thread on Mithraism and how it may be linked to Freemasonary in Scotland but that seems to have got lost with the hack.

 

What direction are you hoping to explore with this thread - its secret teachings, philosophy or perhaps its history or alleged conspiracies (like eating children as the caller in your vid alleges)

 

According to the Masons their fraternity goes back to 1700's. But dig a little deeper and we find there was a lodge in Scotland in the 16th century. 

 

The Masons claim they don't know from where it originates, but I don't believe that! Seems they don't know whom they worship if they don't know how it started.

 

The thread I started on Mithraism explained that the cult of Mithra may have been passed to the Scotish when the Romans had settlements there. The Romans were great builders to. In the thread, from memory, I think the Mithra cult had secret handshakes and degree's of initiation so seems comprable to Freemasonary, Mithtraism was certainly another Solar cult, probably straight out of one of the mystery schools in Babylon.

 

You may not want to hear it but the book, The Devils Pulpit by Rev Taylor has 3 chapters on Freemasonary where Rev Taylor reveals a few secrets of Freemasonary. I would be happy to post the info if your interested.

 

Apologies for not responding earlier....

 

Anything goes... It's a thread about Freemasonry.

From my experience they seem to have an unnatural prediliction for setting people up with underage sex blackmail...

 

That's one of the reasons I never joined..... I suppose there are people out there who would love to have sex with a 15 year old Japanese school girl, for instance, which was what was offered to me..... these people end up ruling the world which probably explains why we live in a world which is just about to destroy itself.

 

https://www.truthspoon.com/p/escape-from-city-of-paedophile.html

 

They seem to go to a lot of trouble to compromise you before they will let you into their secrets..... but I discovered their secrets anyway by connecting directly to the source.

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Truthspoon

[Golden Retriever]

 

[Truthspoon]

2 hours ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

 

 

This and Brotherhood of the Bell are probably the definitive movies about Freemasonry and what it really involves.

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Truthspoon

[Golden Retriever]

46 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

 

This and Brotherhood of the Bell are probably the definitive movies about Freemasonry and what it really involves.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks TS

 

Brotherhood of the Bell is new to me.

Edited October 22, 2020 by Golden Retriever

[pi3141]

3 hours ago, Truthspoon said:

Apologies for not responding earlier....

 

Anything goes... It's a thread about Freemasonry.

 

Cool. I'll post some excerpts from the lectures on Free Masonry taken from Devils Pulpit by Rev Taylor

[pi3141]

Devils Pulpit by Rev Talyor

 

Excerpt from Lecture 1

 

I shall prove Free Masonry to be the combined result of the Egyptian, Jewish, and Christian superstitions, and absolutely identical with the celebrated Eleusinian Mysteries of Greece, the Dionjsian Mysteries, or orgies of Bacchus, and the Christian Mysteries of the Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ, which are absolutely not more different in any respect from e^ch other, than the customs and forms of any Lodge of Free Masons in England, may be, from those of a Lodge in any of the nations of the Continent ; where, though the language, the words, the persons, and the paraphernalia, may be varied, the spirit and the purport of the mysteries is precisely the same. 

 

On the evidence hereafter to be adduced, no one shall be able to doubt that the Eleusinian and Dionysian Mysteries, modelled as they were, upon the Mysteries of Isis, and Osiris, of Egypt, have passed over into the mysteries of the craft of Free Masonry ; and that they were formed at first for scientific purposes, though subsequently made the vehicle of the doctrines of the Egyptian mythology. 

 

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The terms, Jews, Israelites, and Hebrews, were designations of those who had passed on to the highest dignities in these holy mysteries. And hence, this Epistle to the Hebrews, literally is, an Epistle to the Free Masons — that is, to the higher order of the initiated in the craft of the mysteries, " the free and accepted masons ;" who, if Christians would but read their book with a mind to observe what it is that they do read (which they never do), they would see that the Hebrews, and this Epistle to the Hebrews, is not addressed to any national community, but to a mystical and religious fraternity only, whose members might consist as societies of Free Masons may, of men of any and of every country, nation, and language upon earth, as " there were dwelling at Jerusalem, Jews, devout men of every nation under Heaven." 

 

The patriarch Abraham, is called '* Abraham the Hebrew," not in designation of his country, but of his college-degree, the rank he had attained in these mysterious dignities. Abraham was a Free Mason. 

 

If you will only look into the order of the arrangement of the books of the New Testament, you will see, that the Epistle to the Hebrews is not arranged with the Epistle to the Romans, the Corinthians, the Colossians, the Thessalonians, &c., which designated the Christians inhabiting Rome, Corinth, Colosse, Thessalonica, and so on. But it is set apart by itself, coming after all the Epistles that were addressed to particular communities, or particular persons ; and constituting therefore, no epistle, properly so speaking, but a general discourse, the meaning of which would only be understood by that higher order of Free Masons, who, though they are neither called Free Masons, nor Hebrews, in any part of the discourse itself, are addressed by a title which signifies the same thing as Free Masons — that is, " Holy Brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling,'' — that is, " Fellow-craft free-masons." 

 

The initiated in the Diouysian Mysteries of Bacchus, who were exclusively the "partakers of the heavenly calling," possessed the exclusive privilege of building temples and theatres in Asia Minor. They were incorporated at Teos, by the kings of Pergamos, and were actually subdivided into different lodges, as the Free Masons are with us at this day. 

 

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The mysteries of Free Masonry are identically the same as those of the Dyonisia, or Mysteries of Bacchus ; and, consequently, an uncovering and exposure of these mysteries, will be an exposure of all the secret of mystery that is, or ever was, in the masonic craft. And that masonry, correctly understood, is the combined result of the ancient Egyptian, and Jewish, and Christian religions, you will learn, from demonstrations to be adduced, in the due order and succession of these lectures. 

From the present, 'tis matter worthy of your attention to carry home the correction of the general error, which supposes, that there ever was a Hebrew nation, or a temporal Kingdom of Jews, Israelites, or Christians. These, being, not political, or national, but entirely mystical and masonic terms, names of the different degrees of gradation in the masonic craft, that temple of Solomon, in which ye also, as spiritual stones, are builded together, for an habitation of God through the Spirit.'' In which series, the Christian is the lowest, the Israelite next the Jew next, the Hebrew next, and so on, up through the gradations of those who, having passed " the middle wall of partition,'and been admitted within the veil, are called Hebrews of the Hebrews, to martyrs or witnesses, autops or seers, prophets or tellers, saints, apostles, — Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.'

[pi3141]

Devils Pulpit by Rev Talyor

 

Excerpt from Lecture 2

 

The great secret of masonry, which the masons themselves were not allowed to know, and which for that reason, and that alone, they never told, was that strong meat, which even the perats, or Hebrews themselves, were not able to digest, because, as the worshipful master tells them, in the 5th chapter of the Epistle to the Hebrews, that " strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age" who have their senses exercised in the use of their reason, to discern both good and evil reXeiddv oe eortv rj orepea TpO(p7]. (in Greek won't copy over) 

 

I need not tell ye, then, how innocent both Jews and Gentiles, and all the choused masons of the craft, below the rank of the Teleios, or perfect masons, must necessarily be of the great secret of Free Masonry ; when God-a-mighty knows, that they never exercise their sense or reason in the matter at all. 

 

So there are but three Free Masons of the highest rank, the Teleioi, or Perfect Masons, who could tell you. the secret, an' if they would. And those three masons, the magistri magistrorum, the master of the masters, the only perfect masons in this kingdom, are the Duke of Sussex, who is the first, — Mr. Richard Carlile is the second, — and modesty only forbids me to name the third. There were but two copies of the great development of the work of the " Frere Macon Reghellini de Schio " brought into England ; and of those two, the Duke of Sussex has the one, and I have the other. 

 

The great" secret was, an honest avowal and full discovery to the perfect mason of the utter imposture of all the religions that were ever in the world, and the obtaining of his forgiveness of all the mummeries and tricks that had been played off upon him, to prove whether he had a mind capable of rising above them, and to bar off the brute and barbarous multitude, to escape from whose savage fangs science was obliged to hide herself in the cloak of mystery. The Christians, the Jews, the Israelites, and all the other stones and blocks of masonry, who were made to be beplastered and put upon, — being never so self-satisfied as when most imposed on ; never so wise, as when most egregiously ignorant : and never so happy as when perfectly miserable. 

 

Ere this could pass through the dark 'chambers of Imagery'into the bright hall of Science and Truth, they would, as they do, stumble at the word, — and what word could that be, but the word of salvation, the word which every Christian has a thousand times seen written in Roman letters over every representation of Christ upon the cross ? i. e. The Christian Teragrammaton Inri, consisting of the four letters, I. N. R. I? 

 

A little bit of Latin, I suppose, like the labels on the doctor's gallipot, that stands as well for Jesus Nazarenus Rex JudcEorum — that is, " Jesus the Free Mason, the king of the fellow-crafts' men," as it would stand in English for. Jack Nobody, Rascally Jack. 

 

Ask your preachers of the gospel to tell you the meaning of it : they cannot tell you, they would stumble at the woi'd, and would be ready to knock you down for asking them. It might be right for Christians not to seek to be wise above what is written : but their folly has been so monstrous, that they have never sought to be so wise as to know the meaning of what is written : and there stand the four letters, I. N. R. I. upon the church, of which Christians know no more the meaning, than they do the meaning of the cawing of a crow upon the steeple. 

 

Those letters are the initials of the four pass-words to the higher grades of masonry, lami, Noiir, Rouach, lebeschal, which signify the four elements, Water, Fire, Air, and Earth, over which the four archangels were imagined to preside, whose names are pass-words in masonry, Asdukel, Casmaran, Tarliud, ojid Furlac, the meaning of the mystery being, that the Being who is represented as hanging below the word I. N. R. I., is the personified genius of the universal nature. *' For in him," says the apostle, "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily :" and all the elements. Fire, Air, Earth, and Water, which make up and constitute the Fleroma, or fulness of the Godhead, are equally effected by the position of the God of Nature — that is, of the Sun, when upon the Cross of the Equator. 

 

Thus, to those who knew the secret, the difference between a man's saying Jesus Christ, or Christ Jesus, would be difference enough to show which way the wind blew. If he said Jesus Christ, he was only a Christian, — he was a Johnny Raw, and knew no more about Christianity than the knaves of the higher grades of masonry had taught him. But if he said Christ Jesus, and tip the wink, to show that he had not said so by accident but kenned the everlasting science which determines the reason why he should say Christ Jesus rather than Jesus Christ, he was known to be a Free and an Accepted Mason, and would not be found at the pillar Boaz (the left), when he should understand Jachin (the right) . That on the right Jachin, — on the left Boaz. (2 Chron. iii.) 

 

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The Jews, an order of Free Masons, above that of Christians, but below that of Hebrews, profess that the name of the Supreme Deity is unutterable, and invariably substitute in the stead of the word which we absurdly and erroneously pronounce Jehovah Adonai, which is. literally, My Lords — with the pronoun suffix to the plural of the word Adonis, the well-known name of the beautiful son of Marrha in the Pagan mythology, and never meaning any thing else than the Sun itself — that is ad the Lord ; on, the Being ; IS, the Fire, which is the Sun, in allegorical language, the Father, the Husband, the Son, the Lover of the Lamb's Wife — that is, the everlasting Mrs. Lamb, the August Virgin Mary of the Zodiac. 

While the Free Masons of a higher degree make a precisely similar pretence, and have a mystical or talismanic name of God, which is never communicated but to the very highest of the craft, which they are not allowed to utter, — but I will ; and of which they themselves don't know the meaning, and I do ! 

 

As you find the Hebrew, or third degree mason, Paul, in 2 Corinth, xii. 4, describing himself as having been caught up into the third heaven, where he heard " unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." Not lawful for a man to utter! I shall be damned if I utter it.  But, since it comes to, that I'll be damned if I don't : I have it : the great secret is here ! — I am bursting to let it out. Where is the Devil? — keep him off from me a moment. The unutterable word is — is — Jao-Bull-on ! Lord, Lord, Lord ! Jao-Bull-on. What alive! and the secret is out : the common secret of Free Masonry, of Christianity, of Judaism, and of Paganism. 

 

But what is its meaning ? 

 

law, the name of the Supreme Being-, as uttered from the Sacred Tripod of the Delphic Oracle. ^pa^eo) oe tcjv navr cjv vnarov eiifiev laow (Greek or Hebrew won't copy over) I pronounce 'law' to be the name of the Supreme Being. I, the symbol of unity in number. Alpha and Omega, a and o, the first and the last, the beginning and the end, which was, and which is to come, " the Almighty."  Rull Bui Bole. Disguise it as you will, utter it in any tongue of all the peopled earth, its essence and significancy is none other than Baal, the name of the Supreme God, when the Covenant that is, the Vernal Equinox, was in the Bull of the Zodiac, from whence the name of that sacred animal, in our language, to this day: and ON, the never-varied Egyptian name of the Sun, thus proving the Sun to be, as indeed it has always been, the great and only object of all religious worship : and the science of the Sun, or of astronomy, the interior and esoteric secret of Free Masonry. The science of the Sun being the secret sense of all mysterious allegories, and the Sun itself the ultimate object of all religions.

Edited October 22, 2020 by pi3141

[Truthspoon]

1 hour ago, Truthspoon said:

 

 

This and Brotherhood of the Bell are probably the definitive movies about Freemasonry and what it really involves.

 

 

 

 

 

This might be a slightly better version:

 

https://archive.org/details/TheBrotherhoodOfTheBellBaalBel

[pi3141]

Cool - I'll take a look. From the title it seems they agree the Freemasons God is actually Baal. I read recently the Baal was mistakenly identified with Satan, but I dunno, need more reading.

[pi3141]

Devils Pulpit by Rev Talyor

 

Excerpt from Lecture 3

 

Go to the door of a masonic lodge, give 'em three knocks, the dactylic knock, one long and two short ; the anapaestic knock, two short and one long ; and the adonic, one long, two short, and two long. 

 

1. Tum ti-ti. 

2. Ti-ti tum. 

3. Tum ti-ti — tum tum. 

 

And then, as our blessed Saviour says, " Knock, and it shall be opened unto you ;" and when it is opened, bounce in upon 'em, and cry " Gammon !" and, my life on't, if the master of the lodge will not recognize you for a Royal Arch, without your ever having had your buttons taken off your clothes, a halter put round your neck, a dagger held to your breast, your eyes bandaged, or any other of those disgusting and filthy fooleries, whose usage accounts for so many kings and princes, and royal dukes, having been Free Masons. 

 

Had any good or just feeling towards mankind, been at the bottom of their mysteries, you would never have heard of a royal duke being at the top of them.  The word Ammon, which is really and truly the identity, the very same as our word. Amen, which comes at the end of all our prayers, and creeds and collects, at the end of all the titles and epithets of Jesus Christ, and at the end of every thing that is excessively nonsensical and mysterious, always signified the secret one, the hidden, the occult, and was uttered in a low voice, in intimation to the mystics, that something was to be sought for, that was lost, and to be found again ; there was a subauditur, a subintelligitur, something of which you were to " give it an understanding, but no tongue." And in this use, it was one of the names of Jupiter, and as regularly closed his catalogue of titles, as those of Jesus Christ, signifying that Jupiter was Ammon, as it also signifies, to those who look for significations, that Jesus Christ is Ammou.  Jupiter - Ammon being precisely the same deity as Jesus Christ Amen : or, as it stands at the beginning of a will, In the name of God, Amen. And both Jupiter, Ammon, and God Ammon, and Jesus Christ, Amen, are personifications of the Sun, who is Jupiter, in Spring ; Christ, in Summer ; Jesus, in Autumn ; and Amen, in Winter. 

[Truthspoon]

I think you're on the wrong track there.

 

Masons hate Jesus and won't even pronounce his name. They say 'JC' instead.

 

Jesus has nothing to do with Freemasonry.

 

After all, he was 'the stone the builders rejected'.

 

Edited October 22, 2020 by Truthspoon

[pi3141]

5 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

I think you're on the wrong track there.

 

Masons hate Jesus and won't even pronounce his name. They say 'JC' instead.

 

Jesus has nothing to do with Freemasonry.

 

After all, he was 'the stone the builders rejected'.

 

I didn't realize they called him 'JC'. I thought they were big on the Bible.

 

According to Taylor and I think Manly P Hall, Jesus is Hiram Abiff's real identity.

[Nobby Noboddy]

Can anyone help please?

 

The way this prominent mans hands are clasped looks a bit masonic but I can't find any other example that might verify it.

 

I suppose it's not very precisely held so mayby just normal?