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Irrespective of how 'good' or 'not good' video games are for people, irrespective of whether they are often addictions, the artistry of them cannot be denied.

 

The creativity and artistry of the Final Fantasy games are not up for dispute. Leaving aside issues of addictiveness, they are art. The soundtracks of the Final Fantasy games are also art.

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16 minutes ago, Ethel said:

Irrespective of how 'good' or 'not good' video games are for people, irrespective of whether they are often addictions, the artistry of them cannot be denied.

 

The creativity and artistry of the Final Fantasy games are not up for dispute. Leaving aside issues of addictiveness, they are art. The soundtracks of the Final Fantasy games are also art.

 

Are there more productive things you could be doing? Sure, but everyone should be allowed some escapism. The key is moderation like everything.

 

That being said, I have my limits. I'm a traditional gamer, I don't think I will ever embrace the VR 'Ready Player One' future.

 

You're right about the creativity too, gaming is like a mix of various artforms. Sculpting (modelling), 2D art, music, writing etc.

 

While I do believe that gaming is being used to push certain agendas like most entertainment, that's only a small percentage of games. There are always indies if people get sick of AAA games too.

 

I never really got into FF games, but I love the music.

 

 

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1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Are there more productive things you could be doing? Sure, but everyone should be allowed some escapism. The key is moderation like everything.

 

That being said, I have my limits. I'm a traditional gamer, I don't think I will ever embrace the VR 'Ready Player One' future.

 

You're right about the creativity too, gaming is like a mix of various artforms. Sculpting (modelling), 2D art, music, writing etc.

 

While I do believe that gaming is being used to push certain agendas like most entertainment, that's only a small percentage of games. There are always indies if people get sick of AAA games too.

 

I never really got into FF games, but I love the music.

 

 

 

The music is my favourite video game music. If you take Aerith's Theme, from Final Fantasy 7, for example, it stands as a beautiful piece of music in it's own right, let alone as one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever to appear in a video game. 

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3 minutes ago, Ethel said:

 

The music is my favourite video game music. If you take Aerith's Theme, from Final Fantasy 7, for example, it stands as a beautiful piece of music in it's own right, let alone as one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever to appear in a video game. 

 

Out of reactions.

 

I need to actually give the games a try too as I do own a few. It's not that I don't enjoy them, I just never really gave them much of a chance.

 

I was too young to appreciate the ones on the SNES at the time, and although I had a Playstation, I was playing N64 more when it was out.

 

I need to sit down and give Final Fantasy IX a play as the art style looks pretty wholesome.

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14 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Out of reactions.

 

I need to actually give the games a try too as I do own a few. It's not that I don't enjoy them, I just never really gave them much of a chance.

 

I was too young to appreciate the ones on the SNES at the time, and although I had a Playstation, I was playing N64 more when it was out.

 

I need to sit down and give Final Fantasy IX a play as the art style looks pretty wholesome.

 

I've played 1-3, 7-9 and 15. FF7 remains my all time favourite game. Many now laugh at it's graphics but this is like laughing at a sunflower because it is only 3 feet high instead of 6. A three feet high sunflower is still a thing of beauty, final fantasy 7 is still an epic ride, even with clunky graphics.

 

Number 8 is a masterpiece also, and number 9 is spectacular. I would say 8 and 9 are my joint second favourite. I have heard 10 was also outstanding, and couldn't really warm to 15 because it abandoned the traditional battle style.

 

The FF7 remake is also excellent, but very different to the original in many respects.

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A depressing screenshot from today's Battlefield 2042 Exodus trailer.

 

"Countries have crumbled, hope hasn't. Donate now."

 

So people will still be grifting off of the backs of our misery in 2042? The ride never ends.

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On 7/21/2021 at 12:44 PM, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

It's to target and pacify (young) men, subtly teach them feminism, lgbtqwerty+ and other ideologies.

There is always a method to the madness.

 

The woke cannot create, only subvert and destroy. They are like Sauron.

 

 

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35 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

It's to target and pacify (young) men, subtly teach them feminism, lgbtqwerty+ and other ideologies.

There is always a method to the madness.

 

The woke cannot create, only subvert and destroy. They are like Sauron.

 

 

 

The bit in the video where it says your game has to pass some cultural test to qualify for video game tax relief makes my blood boil. It's basically saying that engaging gameplay alone isn't good enough and that you're only rewarded if your game is pushing some agenda. What an absolute joke and an insult to creative people.

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1 hour ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

The bit in the video where it says your game has to pass some cultural test qualify for video game tax relief makes my blood boil. It's basically saying that engaging gameplay alone isn't good enough and that you're only rewarded if your game is pushing some agenda. Waht an absolute joke and an insult to creative people.

 

Yes, all part of the agenda. Total control over everything. Creativity is not rewarded, submission to dogma is.

 

We are dealing with evil, simple as that.

 

 

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On 8/10/2021 at 2:53 PM, Ethel said:

 

The music is my favourite video game music. If you take Aerith's Theme, from Final Fantasy 7, for example, it stands as a beautiful piece of music in it's own right, let alone as one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever to appear in a video game. 

 

What makes FF7 in particular so good musically i think, is that the in game context for each piece fits sublimely, on top of the tracks being fantastic in their own right.  You know you're in a certain place because of the music, and it's a much richer experience for it. So yeah to your point, you have a main character die suddenly (kind of unknown at that point in gaming iirc), and then you have this beautifully sad music playing to drive the point home. How old was i... i think about 13 or 14 when it came out. Don't mind admitting i shed a tear at that moment 😄

 

Uematsu is probably my number 1 musical inspiration. I've done a couple of covers of the FF7 tracks too.

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30 minutes ago, spideysensei said:

 

What makes FF7 in particular so good musically i think, is that the in game context for each piece fits sublimely, on top of the tracks being fantastic in their own right.  You know you're in a certain place because of the music, and it's a much richer experience for it. So yeah to your point, you have a main character die suddenly (kind of unknown at that point in gaming iirc), and then you have this beautifully sad music playing to drive the point home. How old was i... i think about 13 or 14 when it came out. Don't mind admitting i shed a tear at that moment 😄

 

Uematsu is probably my number 1 musical inspiration. I've done a couple of covers of the FF7 tracks too.

 

Couldn't agree more, the various pieces of music fit the various plot threads perfectly, and I listen to Uematsu regularly, in fact, Aerith's theme is my phone ringtone, and I wake up to it every morning as my alarm. The final fantasy games were a major part of my childhood

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40 minutes ago, Ethel said:

 

Couldn't agree more, the various pieces of music fit the various plot threads perfectly, and I listen to Uematsu regularly, in fact, Aerith's theme is my phone ringtone, and I wake up to it every morning as my alarm. The final fantasy games were a major part of my childhood

 

Yup, huge nostalgia trip for me and to be honest i've never played the remake because i kind of know what sort of thing it'll be, and i don't think it'll resonate in the same way. I only ever really played 7-9, i was just at the right age in that era and beyond those years had other things to do. I still have a run through of these classics now and then.

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26 minutes ago, spideysensei said:

I still have a run through of these classics now and then.

 

Me too. I have played the remake. It's a good game in it's own right, worth playing, but it doesn't improve on the original. This may seem like an odd statement, because the graphics are a million times better, but there's more to a game than graphics.

 

I think the appeal of the original over the remake is that the graphics in the original don't distract from the emotional investment in the plot and characters, whereas the graphics in the remake are so dazzling that they do supersede character and plot development. That's just my personal experience though.

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On 8/31/2021 at 2:59 PM, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Good times!

My elder brother back then , was so into this new new tech , he owned  a basic ZX81 spectrum with a large ,16k ram attached to a rear port ...connected to a Black & White portal Baal Tv.   

And would invest in the lastest magazines and sit in his room for days on end typing machine code ...

Normally on the third day , one would hear a shrill and scream emit from his bedroom as either the computor crashed , or his nugded the ram pack on the back and its crashed ....lol and lost every thing ....

I do feel that the analog days were simpler times and that the change to digital some thing changed !!!

But you know that ...

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4 minutes ago, Coldrum said:

My elder brother back then , was so into this new new tech , he owned  a basic ZX81 spectrum with a large ,16k ram attached to a rear port ...connected to a Black & White portal Baal Tv.   

And would invest in the lastest magazines and sit in his room for days on end typing machine code ...

Normally on the third day , one would hear a shrill and scream emit from his bedroom as either the computor crashed , or his nugded the ram pack on the back and its crashed ....lol and lost every thing ....

I do feel that the analog days were simpler times and that the change to digital some think changed !!!

But you know that ...

 

Never had a speccy, but I used to love the retro computing and the gaming scene, and I know enough about the system to be able to imagine your brothers frustration after losing his progress. I still do enjoy the retro scene to some extent, I just don't game as much these days as I'm trying to make up for lost time in other areas like reading and stuff.

 

My first home computer was an Amstrad CPC. Not sure if I could put up with the cassette tape loading times these days, but it definitely made you appreciate it when the software finally loaded.

 

And yes, the shift to digital felt weird, feels like everything has become much more sinister since.

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My First games console was built by my father around 1978 the schmeatics were taken from eletronics weekly or such like hobby magazine .Its was a large brown moulded perspex box with inclosed eletronics 

With two leads connected to two brown hand controllers with push buttons , hooked up to a black and white TV.

They were great times ,heres the game on Atari which i owned a few years later.

 

 

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My First games console was built by my father around 1978 the schmeatics were taken from eletronics weekly or such like hobby magazine .Its was a large brown moulded perspex box with inclosed eletronics 

With two leads connected to two brown hand controllers with push buttons , hooked up to a black and white TV.

They were great times ,heres the game on Atari which i owned a few years later.

 

 

 

It looks primitive these days, but games seemed to have lost a lot of charm when the focus became realism. With the limitations back then, engaging gameplay was key. Gaming is way too dumbed down now too. Too many handholding tutorials that insult the players intelligence.

 

I miss the days when you just learned though trial and error, it felt like you was accomplishing more. I think the game design of the first level of Super Mario Bros was perfect for teaching the player through gameplay. That kind of design is like an art that many are still trying to master.

 

 

I understand that some games are more sophisticated now and need tutorials, but not always. I think you get what I mean though.

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