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12 hours ago, pi3141 said:

I'm not a polytheist, there is one God. Jesus was a prophet, perhaps a highly advanced man but he was a man.

 

But we still can't be sure what Constantine and others may have put in.

well in the bible the elohim creates man in the genesis, so I don't share your views on one god, nor do I believe this god inside of the bible that is actually the many gods is the source of things.

 

I don't believe in the saints, in jesus, nor this god

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10 hours ago, Dann said:

well in the bible the elohim creates man in the genesis, so I don't share your views on one god, nor do I believe this god inside of the bible that is actually the many gods is the source of things.

 

I don't believe in the saints, in jesus, nor this god

 

I don't think the God of the OT is the true God. Again, Genesis is taken from earlier Pagan myths by the Jews while in Babylon. Taking the OT literally can lead to all sorts of errors.

 

I don't believe in Jesus as God or the Saints either, the Roman Catholics have created many deities to pray to and worship - they are Polytheists, which of course they deny.

 

Jesus was a powerful spiritual being who set an example for us all to copy as best we can. He is no God.

 

When I go to church its not to 'worship' its to acknowledge and spend some time thinking or contemplating spiritual matters.

 

I believe we have a soul, there is a God, there is a heaven and it matters how you behave down here.

 

As for knowing God, we can't really. Occasionally we perceive it, coincidences or the appearence of the universe orchestrating events in your favour. I accept some people can feel God but apart from that God is beyond our understanding and doesn't demand worship like the Pagan OT god.

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8 hours ago, pi3141 said:

 

I don't think the God of the OT is the true God. Again, Genesis is taken from earlier Pagan myths by the Jews while in Babylon. Taking the OT literally can lead to all sorts of errors.

 

I don't believe in Jesus as God or the Saints either, the Roman Catholics have created many deities to pray to and worship - they are Polytheists, which of course they deny.

 

Jesus was a powerful spiritual being who set an example for us all to copy as best we can. He is no God.

 

When I go to church its not to 'worship' its to acknowledge and spend some time thinking or contemplating spiritual matters.

 

I believe we have a soul, there is a God, there is a heaven and it matters how you behave down here.

 

As for knowing God, we can't really. Occasionally we perceive it, coincidences or the appearence of the universe orchestrating events in your favour. I accept some people can feel God but apart from that God is beyond our understanding and doesn't demand worship like the Pagan OT god.

There is no one god who created the universe and this planet. Nature did it. 

 

The gods is a later construct. You are stuck on this god thing.

 

The creation of the universes and world is the super natural, or supra natural.

It's why it's called this, because nature has a  source and we can call this the christ.

But this is not a god.

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Light transcends time and nature.....

 

Nature is only a secondary effect of a prime cause. 


Light interacting with matter = the engine of nature.

 

Life and nature is the interaction of light with various molecules which creates amino acids and from this molecular framework life slowly emerges. 

 

But the prime cause is light.

 

Light is a 4 dimensional wave-particle which exists in this dimension and the higher (microcosmic) reality  simultaneously. This is where we will find God. This is how God interacts with this world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Truthspoon said:

 

Light transcends time and nature.....

 

Nature is only a secondary effect of a prime cause. 


Light interacting with matter = nature.

 

 

Ha ha, nature is prime, you don't understand what nature is and i'm not here to preach, i'm not jesus.

 

if you understand what nature is at it's core, then you will see things, you will if you get there and earn it.

 

This light you say, it's just a show of lights, light is a Byproduct and cannot for example exist without the nature of batteries.

 

Battery is over no more light, it is emanated from your flashlight as a byproduct. It's just that nature produces luminosity, plants do too for example, the energy glows when it is excited and that is what light is an excitation of the nature of things.

 

You see the light is the fire, and the fire cannot exist without a source to express it's self, wood, batieries, clouds when lighting strikes  and so on.

 

 

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Dann said:

There is no one god who created the universe and this planet. Nature did it. 

 

Well I say similar, the universe did it itself. Call it nature if you like but the universe created life and thr universe sustains life. 

 

It my opinion the universe is alive at some level. I see the universe as having a soul and that energy is my God.

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5 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Well I say similar, the universe did it itself. Call it nature if you like but the universe created life and thr universe sustains life. 

 

It my opinion the universe is alive at some level. I see the universe as having a soul and that energy is my God.

it's the christ who gave rise to the universe, the source, this source is concious nature where things may fire up and spark, this has an assembly, a structure, and this structure emanates things as in fires up, it's constantly on the 'rise'   it's a constant rising of things.  

 

But asembly is made from prime nature, from the very essence of nature, the christ is nature.

The true cross of christ was taken from nature, religions got it from nature practitioners, the cross shows up as the swastica and many other forms in nature at first, so the true Christ belongs to nature, it's just that.

 

I'm not interestid in going into detail, and i don't want to debate it

 

The word Christ is also taken from nature, Ch-ris, or C-ris.   ris = to rise. symbol of the sunrise a constant rising constant output.

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3 hours ago, Dann said:

The word Christ is also taken from nature, Ch-ris, or C-ris.   ris = to rise. symbol of the sunrise a constant rising constant output.

 

Interesting, hadn't come across that before. Its very fitting, the name Jesus means 'Sun God' so if Christ also represents rising/risen its certainly fitting.

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3 hours ago, Dann said:

it's the christ who gave rise to the universe, the source, this source is concious nature where things may fire up and spark, this has an assembly, a structure, and this structure emanates things as in fires up, it's constantly on the 'rise'   it's a constant rising of things

 

You say 'Risings' I'd say 'Emanations' (as you do) on an etheral level, but expansion or emergence can work too. I like how you describe it as 'risings' as well.

 

It all flows from the source. 

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On 9/17/2021 at 12:47 AM, pi3141 said:

 

You say 'Risings' I'd say 'Emanations' (as you do) on an etheral level, but expansion or emergence can work too. I like how you describe it as 'risings' as well.

 

It all flows from the source. 

Etheric pfffttt hhahahaha.

Clearly you are of your god.

 

You don't know the Christ, you are of your kind, a predator.

 

No Jesus this time, just kick ass time.

 

Fuck the biblical Jesus, a sado masochistic predator.

Teaches of love then instructs how to beat the slave with a rod, hahaha.

Then in one of the books that is not in the bible because Constantine would not included it, Jesus tells us how the Tiger eats the man and this way the man get's saved in the tiger, this is salvation of Jesus. hahahaha. The human get's eaten by the big cat and it is assimilated in the tiger, it becomes the tiger 'sado masochist salvation'

 

Well fuck Jesus then.

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54 minutes ago, Dann said:

Etheric pfffttt hhahahaha.

Clearly you are of your god.

 

You don't know the Christ, you are of your kind, a predator.

 

No Jesus this time, just kick ass time.

 

Fuck the biblical Jesus, a sado masochistic predator.

Teaches of love then instructs how to beat the slave with a rod, hahaha.

Then in one of the books that is not in the bible because Constantine would not included it, Jesus tells us how the Tiger eats the man and this way the man get's saved in the tiger, this is salvation of Jesus. hahahaha. The human get's eaten by the big cat and it is assimilated in the tiger, it becomes the tiger 'sado masochist salvation'

 

Well fuck Jesus then.

You see, I have been reading this thread. The fact it has actually gone off topic many times is one thing, but never mind. Do I agree with a lot of what was written here? No, but people have the right to figure things out for themselves all they want. You say previously 'no offense', but how is one to interpret your 'fuck jesus' statements then? You are purposely being offensive to other peoples religion. Your entire made up fantasy you have been pouring out here is complete garbage. That is my opinion, and now you are going to get it. Don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you. I will follow that once again right now. I always love sharing my music with my friends! Hi friend! Do you like my music? Here is a classic favorite of mine! Have a nice day!

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Mr KLaaTu said:

You see, I have been reading this thread. The fact it has actually gone off topic many times is one thing, but never mind. Do I agree with a lot of what was written here? No, but people have the right to figure things out for themselves all they want. You say previously 'no offense', but how is one to interpret your 'fuck jesus' statements then? You are purposely being offensive to other peoples religion. Your entire made up fantasy you have been pouring out here is complete garbage. That is my opinion, and now you are going to get it. Don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you. I will follow that once again right now. I always love sharing my music with my friends! Hi friend! Do you like my music? Here is a classic favorite of mine! Have a nice day!

 

 

Your problem not mine, it's not off topic,

 

The topic is; ' why is the crhistian religion so masochistic and sadistic.'

we're just here to sheer our thoughts, don't like me, just hit ignore on me and problem solved.

 

This is the right place because of the topic, where I come and share my dislike about Jesus the main figure of the Christian religious sect.

 

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3 minutes ago, Dann said:

Your problem not mine, it's not off topic,

 

The topic is; ' why is the crhistian religion so masochistic and sadistic.'

we're just here to sheer our thoughts, don't like me, just hit ignore on me and problem solved.

 

This is the right place because of the topic, where I come and share my dislike about Jesus the main figure of the Christian religious sect.

 

The topic says 'immoral'. Not what you just made of it. So, fine. Here:

  • I am the Lord thy God: thou shalt not have strange Gods before me
  • Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
  • Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
  • Honour thy father and thy mother
  • Thou shalt not kill
  • Thou shalt not commit adultery
  • Thou shalt not steal
  • Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
  • Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife
  • Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods

Which one of these is immoral exactly then? By the way, you broke the second one... Might be an issue you know.

 

Have a nice day!

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9 minutes ago, Mr KLaaTu said:

The topic says 'immoral'. Not what you just made of it. So, fine. Here:

  • I am the Lord thy God: thou shalt not have strange Gods before me
  • Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
  • Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
  • Honour thy father and thy mother
  • Thou shalt not kill
  • Thou shalt not commit adultery
  • Thou shalt not steal
  • Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
  • Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife
  • Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods

Which one of these is immoral exactly then? By the way, you broke the second one... Might be an issue you know.

 

Have a nice day!

Listen.

 

This thread asks why, and we are here to provide answers to why it is so, because Jesus is the bastard son of the elder gods. This is why.

 

He came to the jews not you, he was there for them, you took this religion for you when it has nothing to do with you. Are you a JEWS, jesus came for them to get sacrificed for jews, he is the sacrificial lamb.

 

Jesus words on the cross 

Matthew 27:46-47

 The words with which Jesus thrilled the crowd were these: Elohee', Elohee', lammawh, sebakthanee', "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

 

Crying to his elohim gods.

 

You have to be a sadist, a sadomasochist, to die for criminals, perverts, rapists.

Self inflicted damage.    

 

You want to be the lamb, you don't want to be the lamb that gets cut , you want jesus to do it for you, this is evil, why don't you become and Fin lamb, but you have to become first a sadist, a sado- masochist.

 

Jesus may have been taken off the cross anyway, and told to leave Israel by the romans.

It does not matter he is still a sado masochist with a predatory mind set.

 

If you don't like this thread don't participate, we are here to spill our anger and dislike on this Jesus religious sect.

It was created to ask why, it is for this purpose

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25 minutes ago, Mr KLaaTu said:

The topic says 'immoral'. Not what you just made of it. So, fine. Here:

  • I am the Lord thy God: thou shalt not have strange Gods before me
  • Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
  • Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
  • Honour thy father and thy mother
  • Thou shalt not kill
  • Thou shalt not commit adultery
  • Thou shalt not steal
  • Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
  • Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife
  • Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods

Which one of these is immoral exactly then? By the way, you broke the second one... Might be an issue you know.

 

Have a nice day!

Let me alt to your list you made there some child killing

 

 

He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. (Matthew 15:4-7)

 

so Jesus here says if you are dissobidient to your parents you have to be put to death.

 

Jesus was a sinagoge priest, he followed the rules of the old testament.

 

Jesus also said in the bible to abandon your wife and children and go with him, your own children made from you, from your soul, to abandon them, to go with Jesus the sado masochist.

 

 

 

Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea.  Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse.  (Mark 5:12-13)

 

 

Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season.  Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was dumb enough to do something this silly.  You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season.  (Mark 11:13)

 

Hhahaha worship me and leave your children, hahahaha it's hilarious.

Jesus as we see also controls demons, they are with jesus haha.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Dann said:

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Listen.

 

This thread asks why, and we are here to provide answers to why it is so, because Jesus is the bastard son of the elder gods. This is why.

 

He came to the jews not you, he was there for them, you took this religion for you when it has nothing to do with you. Are you a JEWS, jesus came for them to get sacrificed for jews, he is the sacrificial lamb.

 

Jesus words on the cross 

Matthew 27:46-47

 The words with which Jesus thrilled the crowd were these: Elohee', Elohee', lammawh, sebakthanee', "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

 

Crying to his elohim gods.

 

You have to be a sadist, a sadomasochist, to die for criminals, perverts, rapists.

Self inflicted damage.    

 

You want to be the lamb, you don't want to be the lamb that gets cut , you want jesus to do it for you, this is evil, why don't you become and Fin lamb, but you have to become first a sadist, a sado- masochist.

 

Jesus may have been taken off the cross anyway, and told to leave Israel by the romans.

It does not matter he is still a sado masochist with a predatory mind set.

 

If you don't like this thread don't participate, we are here to spill our anger and dislike on this Jesus religious sect.

It was created to ask why, it is for this purpose

You didn't answer my question, which is very much on topic. But I can answer it for you. It is not Christianity which is immoral, people behave immorally. To blame a foundation, because certain people claim to be Christian but do not follow the teachings is ridiculous. That is in the same order of blaming a car manufacturer, because some idiot got into a car and purposely mowed down a bunch of pedestrians.

 

You can claim 'Gods' all you want, but if you actually would talk to real religious jewish people, they would tell you they understand 'Elohim' as a single God, no matter what you think to understand about Hebrew grammar.

 

But go ahead... Just keep going.

Have a nice day!

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2 minutes ago, Mr KLaaTu said:

You didn't answer my question, which is very much on topic. But I can answer it for you. It is not Christianity which is immoral, people behave immorally. To blame a foundation, because certain people claim to be Christian but do not follow the teachings is ridiculous. That is in the same order of blaming a car manufacturer, because some idiot got into a car and purposely mowed down a bunch of pedestrians.

 

You can claim 'Gods' all you want, but if you actually would talk to real religious jewish people, they would tell you they understand 'Elohim' as a single God, no matter what you think to understand about Hebrew grammar.

 

But go ahead... Just keep going.

Have a nice day!

well it's WHY.

this is why

 

Here is jesus gelous and masochistic in ego centric mode, only an ego centric person would say this, a sadist.

 

Forced love, instructs to love him more than your children who came out of you.

 

He is a SADIST.

 

  1. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37
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24 minutes ago, Dann said:

If you don't like this thread don't participate, we are here to spill our anger and dislike on this Jesus religious sect.

It was created to ask why, it is for this purpose

 

You don't even know why this thread was created in the first place.

 

These threads started popping up around the same time as people on this forum were waking up to the real hidden hand. Almost as if subversives were trying to deflect the attention towards Christians.

 

People saw what was going on and it seemed to have stopped, but someone recently necroed the thread.

 

People can keep up with Reddit takes that i'm totally sure that nobody has heard before if they like, but I just thought I would let you know before you lecture people about the thread.

 

I would personally advise people to grow a spine and pick a bigger hill to die on, not obsess over the least of our worries, but that's just me. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

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38 minutes ago, Dann said:

well it's WHY.

this is why

 

Here is jesus gelous and masochistic in ego centric mode, only an ego centric person would say this, a sadist.

 

Forced love, instructs to love him more than your children who came out of you.

 

He is a SADIST.

 

  1. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10:37

Fine, I will have this discussion with you. Your quote there, you say it is an instruction, but the way that quote is phrased it most certainly isn't. You see, there are quite a few people that understand that Jesus was God come down here to teach people himself. To state God is ego centric... God has no ego. It is people that get messed up by their ego, as some here have already correctly stated. To think the love or appreciation you have for your own kind should be equal to the love or appreciation one has for the creator that made it possible that you have that love and appreciation to give in the first place is ludicrous. You attempt to twist it all negatively, which is not how these things were meant at all.

 

Besides that, 'Sadist':

a person who derives pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from inflicting pain or humiliation on others.

 

We using different dictionaries or what? What does yours say?

 

I am quite sure it says nowhere that God derives pleasure from people not understanding, not appreciating what he has done for them. Actually, I am quite sure it probably makes him quite sad, possibly angry at certain individuals, which in no way is not a fair response to such behavior.

 

Have a nice day!

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14 minutes ago, Mr KLaaTu said:

Fine, I will have this discussion with you. Your quote there, you say it is an instruction, but the way that quote is phrased it most certainly isn't. You see, there are quite a few people that understand that Jesus was God come down here to teach people himself. To state God is ego centric... God has no ego. It is people that get messed up by their ego, as some here have already correctly stated. To think the love or appreciation you have for your own kind should be equal to the love or appreciation one has for the creator that made it possible that you have that love and appreciation to give in the first place is ludicrous. You attempt to twist it all negatively, which is not how these things were meant at all.

 

Besides that, 'Sadist':

a person who derives pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from inflicting pain or humiliation on others.

 

We using different dictionaries or what? What does yours say?

 

I am quite sure it says nowhere that God derives pleasure from people not understanding, not appreciating what he has done for them. Actually, I am quite sure it probably makes him quite sad, possibly angry at certain individuals, which in no way is not a fair response to such behavior.

 

Have a nice day!

God has no ego, hmm

Remember one of the commandments, god is gelous, you should have no other gods because i'm a jelous god.

 

Darn I found it.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God

 

This also shares an insignt that there are other gods who the lord competes with from other lands.

 

But that is just the lord yah, the elohim do not have egos, they 'have supper inflated egos' 

 

And Jesus shares a secret and says 'there are many 'elohim'

You just did not read the bible in the most proper manner because you are in dysneyland bible mode.

14 minutes ago, Mr KLaaTu said:

 

Well that is your god not mine haha.

I'm not here to convert you, I would not want you to be the fellow of the craft with me.

 

Just stay away from us with Jesus and your god.

This thread is also open to this discussion, I don't see any point in getting upset.

You don't like it don't participate.

 

 

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