Why is the Christian religion so immoral

[EnigmaticWorld]

11 minutes ago, Terence vasa said:

It was a typo it was meant to say Christian religion not region ..I’ll repost unless it’s possible to edit question 

 

It's okay, thanks for clarifying.

[Johndavid]

1 minute ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Don't play dumb. If you live in a society where the majority are against a mandatory digital ID that is needed to function in society do you think the elites would be able to pull it off? It's a simple question.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about. 

 

I have to be honest with you: you seem totally clueless about even the most basic ideas of David icke that most of us have come here to discuss. 

 

I don’t have the time or the inclination to bother explaining them to you.

 

I think it would be a waste of time as I dont believe you have any real interest in them. That’s the sense I get from you. 

 

 I suggest you direct your posts at people who share your interests here. 

 

Thank you and good night. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

Just now, Johndavid said:

 

I have no idea what you are talking about. 

 

I have to be honest with you: you seem totally clueless about even the most basic ideas of David icke that most of us have come here to discuss. 

 

I don’t have the time or the inclination to bother explaining them to you.

 

I think it would be a waste of time as I dont believe you have any real interest in them. That’s the sense I get from you. 

 

 I suggest you direct your posts at people who share your interests here. 

 

Thank you and good night. 

 

We don't all agree with Icke on absolutely everything here, it's not a cult. I'm sure David wants us to come to our own conclusions.

[Johndavid]

10 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

We don't all agree with Icke on absolutely everything here, it's not a cult. I'm sure David wants us to come to our own conclusions.

 

No mate I’m referring to the simple fact that you have clearly no knowledge  of even the most basic of ickes ideas.

 

whether you agree with them or not is everyone personal choice.

 

but I’m only here to talk to and discuss with people who have knowledge of and interest in his ideas. 

 

So, best of luck here.

 

I’m sure there are many  people who share your interest in non -icke things here. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

Just now, Johndavid said:

 

No mate I’m referring to the simple fact that you have clearly no knowledge  of even the most basic of ickes ideas.

 

whether you agree with them or not is everyone personal choice.

 

but I’m only here to talk to and discuss with people who have knowledge of and interest in his ideas. 

 

So, best of luck here.

 

I’m sure there are many  people who share your interest in non -icke things here. 

 

I think I can understand the concept of human consciousness, I'm not a brainlet. It's not that profound. smh

[EnigmaticWorld]

You should probably just ignore me, John. I'm happy to answer your questions, but you act ignorant when I ask you stuff. Peace

[rideforever]

Some things I can say about "Christianity" :

 

1. After reading Jesus's words myself and reflecting on them I realised that almost nobody has read them, from any side.  People just want to have opinions, they don't like to understand.

 

2. The word "religion" has been introduced by people who wish not to understand.  Christianity is not a "religion", it's a not a passtime that some people in a sector of society might choose.  It is simply a path to sanity, a path to your real self ... without which you will live in severe delusion causing destruction and dying meaninglessly.  It is sanity and should be the main part of any society.

 

3. Here you are attacking "Christianity".   "Look !!!  there is something wrong .... we are not like that".

- says the Ape-man

This is how Apes work.  That's why history is all about the Bad Man and the Good Man.  It's why there are lynchmobs to attack the Bad Man, because we are the Good Men.

This incredible mindless and low activity that human Apes always do ... it is how they "learn", it is how they speak to each other about good and bad.

It's actually amazing they have worked out the difference between the kitchen and the toilet.

 

When the Ape-humans are not doing their lynchmobs ... then they drift into a peaceful unconsciousness ... and that's how they live ... half the time unconscious whilst awake, and the other half freaking out and attacking some Bad Man because they are Good Men ... afterwards they return to being unconscious whilst awake.

 

From time to time humans get in the mood to "tell the truth" about the world.  But this inevitably becomes another witch hunt about the Bad Man or Bad Power Groups ... it's just another version of the same thing. 

It seems to be very rare that people reflect on themselves, or higher maters.

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by rideforever

[rideforever]

It's also revealing to see how many people walking around wearing headphones these days.  This seems to be humanity's solution.  They have made themselves so insensitive to everything, they have invested a lot of effort in order to not feel anything.

And that severely limits what is possible for their future.

 

This is the real Religion that mankind worships, and that you should be critical of.

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by rideforever

[Firebird]

On 7/28/2020 at 7:08 PM, Terence vasa said:

Why is Christianity so immoral.  It rewards evil and punishes the good 

 

It isn't. Christians aren't perfect but the religion Christianity has done more to push human rights forwards in history than any other religion. Give credit where credit's due.

[Johndavid]

15 hours ago, rideforever said:

Some things I can say about "Christianity" :

 

1. After reading Jesus's words myself and reflecting on them I realised that almost nobody has read them, from any side.  People just want to have opinions, they don't like to understand.

 

2. The word "religion" has been introduced by people who wish not to understand.  Christianity is not a "religion", it's a not a passtime that some people in a sector of society might choose.  It is simply a path to sanity, a path to your real self ... without which you will live in severe delusion causing destruction and dying meaninglessly.  It is sanity and should be the main part of any society.

 

3. Here you are attacking "Christianity".   "Look !!!  there is something wrong .... we are not like that".

- says the Ape-man

This is how Apes work.  That's why history is all about the Bad Man and the Good Man.  It's why there are lynchmobs to attack the Bad Man, because we are the Good Men.

This incredible mindless and low activity that human Apes always do ... it is how they "learn", it is how they speak to each other about good and bad.

It's actually amazing they have worked out the difference between the kitchen and the toilet.

 

When the Ape-humans are not doing their lynchmobs ... then they drift into a peaceful unconsciousness ... and that's how they live ... half the time unconscious whilst awake, and the other half freaking out and attacking some Bad Man because they are Good Men ... afterwards they return to being unconscious whilst awake.

 

From time to time humans get in the mood to "tell the truth" about the world.  But this inevitably becomes another witch hunt about the Bad Man or Bad Power Groups ... it's just another version of the same thing. 

It seems to be very rare that people reflect on themselves, or higher maters.

 

 

 

The problem with that is that Jesus never wrote anything - so you are not reading Jesus’s words .....you are reading what some person wrote  about 40 years later! 

 

Pretty useless. 

 

[rideforever]

8 hours ago, Johndavid said:

The problem with that is that Jesus never wrote anything - so you are not reading Jesus’s words .....you are reading what some person wrote  about 40 years later! 

 

Christianity has lit up the West for 2000 years because when you read his words, the wisdom is self evident.  The most advanced people on the surface of the planet have used the Bible and Jesus's teaching to guide them and to orientate themselves ... isn't that blindingly obvious.  The entire Western world could quote large parts of the Bible to each other for thousands of years and such was that guidance that they are still the brightest light on this planet.  Large parts of the language you speak English come from the Bible, I am sure you don't even realise that.

 

As the dark forces come, first they bring in many foreigners and encourage breeding together ... this is an ancient technique used by all conquering forces.  It destroys any sense of conhesion in society, and in the civil war that ensues ... the conquerors suck dry any value there.

Then they attack the wisdom that has guided you to become the greatest society on the planet.  And you Johndavid are repeating their words just like you are meant to.  Betraying your own people and culture and your self.  Perhaps you think this is a "truth movement" ... how blind.  You are doing exactly what they what they want you to do.

 

And perhaps you think that after you have done the job of destroying the entire foundation of your society ... perhaps then you think money and freedom is going to pour down on your head from the sky ... because you are all free already, free and tolerant and equal.  More outrageous lies that they teach us to think.

No, that is not what going to happen.

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by rideforever

[rideforever]

The West was not built solely on Christianity, two other traditions together made a great force.  The Roman ingenious and forceful organisation or practical matters, and the ancient European pagan traditions for matters in the astral subconscious realm. 

3 tiers functioning as one.

Matters Transcendant : Christ

Matters Earthly : Rome

Matters Astral : Pagan

[rideforever]

The fire has been neglected for a very long time ... if you don't water your roses then the flowers are the first things to vanish.  It doesn't mean that there was something wrong with the flowers, but that what lies beneath the flowers has weakened.

As people have been taught to loathe the flowers of the culture, it makes sense for people return to Matters Earthly and Matters Astral, so that the fire does not go completely out.  And people are doing that in place.

Although due to urbanisation and the loss of the natural world ... whether that is possible is for the future to tell.

 

I watch my middle class neighbours walk to the cars this morning ... they have lost so much.  They have no connection to anything.  No culture, no nation, no religion, no history ... their only pride is to burn these things down.

All they are left with is their house prices and a habitual sense of duty.

You can get away with living off house prices ... but not forever.

 

It is strange for being born on the Island of Britain to parents who were born in other nations, to see the natural people of Britain take so little interest in themselves ... to the point where I almost have to remember their history for them.  As well as remembering my own.  But that is my duty to the ship I was born in, and to the Queen who has shone above me since the beginning of my life.

 

I suppose Polish people build houses for the British, Nigerians are their nurses, Lithuanians make their coffee ... even remembering who British people are is done by other people.

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by rideforever

[Johndavid]

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Christianity has lit up the West for 2000 years because when you read his words, the wisdom is self evident.  The most advanced people on the surface of the planet have used the Bible and Jesus's teaching to guide them and to orientate themselves ... isn't that blindingly obvious.  The entire Western world could quote large parts of the Bible to each other for thousands of years and such was that guidance that they are still the brightest light on this planet.  Large parts of the language you speak English come from the Bible, I am sure you don't even realise that.

 

As the dark forces come, first they bring in many foreigners and encourage breeding together ... this is an ancient technique used by all conquering forces.  It destroys any sense of conhesion in society, and in the civil war that ensues ... the conquerors suck dry any value there.

Then they attack the wisdom that has guided you to become the greatest society on the planet.  And you Johndavid are repeating their words just like you are meant to.  Betraying your own people and culture and your self.  Perhaps you think this is a "truth movement" ... how blind.  You are doing exactly what they what they want you to do.

 

And perhaps you think that after you have done the job of destroying the entire foundation of your society ... perhaps then you think money and freedom is going to pour down on your head from the sky ... because you are all free already, free and tolerant and equal.  More outrageous lies that they teach us to think.

No, that is not what going to happen.

 

 

You are not reading his words.

 

you are reading somebody else words that were written between 40 and a hundred years later. 

 

Most of ‘christianity’ - has been utterly corrupted and was created by the dark forces to control and manipulate us. 

 

Most of it is complete bullshit.

 

A Mind control experiment . 

 

That you still believe in it is quaint. 

[Johndavid]

50 minutes ago, rideforever said:

The fire has been neglected for a very long time ... if you don't water your roses then the flowers are the first things to vanish.  It doesn't mean that there was something wrong with the flowers, but that what lies beneath the flowers has weakened.

As people have been taught to loathe the flowers of the culture, it makes sense for people return to Matters Earthly and Matters Astral, so that the fire does not go completely out.  And people are doing that in place.

Although due to urbanisation and the loss of the natural world ... whether that is possible is for the future to tell.

 

I watch my middle class neighbours walk to the cars this morning ... they have lost so much.  They have no connection to anything.  No culture, no nation, no religion, no history ... their only pride is to burn these things down.

All they are left with is their house prices and a habitual sense of duty.

You can get away with living off house prices ... but not forever.

 

It is strange for being born on the Island of Britain to parents who were born in other nations, to see the natural people of Britain take so little interest in themselves ... to the point where I almost have to remember their history for them.  As well as remembering my own.  But that is my duty to the ship I was born in, and to the Queen who has shone above me since the beginning of my life.

 

I suppose Polish people build houses for the British, Nigerians are their nurses, Lithuanians make their coffee ... even remembering who British people are is done by other people.

 

 

 

.....

and to the Queen who has shone above me since the beginning of my life.......

 

Please don’t tell me you are referring to old lizzie and ’ould Phil!! 

 

They definitely are two people we can we can look up to !! 

 

 

Hilarious stuff! 

[Truthspoon]

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

 

 

I watch my middle class neighbours walk to the cars this morning ... they have lost so much.  They have no connection to anything.  No culture, no nation, no religion, no history ... their only pride is to burn these things down.

All they are left with is their house prices and a habitual sense of duty.

You can get away with living off house prices ... but not forever.

 

 

 

 

 

It occurred to me today that what is happening to our countries can be seen as a kind of test to see what we're really made of.

 

Countries which still have strong traditions and are proud of their culture seem to be fairing better, countries like Poland, Hungary and Italy.... while countries which have rejected religion and their traditions have embraced rabid liberalism and multi-culturalism to fill the vacuum and those people will be destroyed in the next 50 years or so, by their own lack of faith and good judgment.

 

Weirdly this also explains the strange saying of Jesus where he says:

 

"To those who have, more will be given. From those who have little, even that will be taken.”?

 

It's as if those of us who have no faith and no sense of our culture will have everything taken from us, while those who remain fixed and steady to their faith and culture or 'based' as they say these days, will find themselves strengthened in their resolve and self belief.

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Truthspoon

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, Truthspoon said:

To those who have, more will be given. From those who have little, even that will be taken.

 

Yes because Jesus told us that God has proved you with a bounty on the Earth, a way to live where everything will be alright.  One such rule is "can you not see that from the beginning the Lord made them man and woman ..."

 

The middle class represent the open part of society that reaches upwards from the working class as a kind of exploration ... the working class don't have that kind of time or interest, they are strictly organised and have strong rules based on survival ... much of the middle class today their energy is directly directly into a dead end and unnatural self-destructive behaviours.

 

But with all these things it is not a "spiritual problem", but a problem with the soil not be cared for, because the spiritual flowers grow straight out of the black earth when it is cared for.

 

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, Johndavid said:

 

 

You wouldn't make a very good sailor !!  Perhaps your talents lie in making cappuccinos?

Everyone has to serve the ship that carries you, life is not for free you know.  And if you don't nothing will carry you, so it's only right.

Yes every captain is corrupt, every boat in need of repair, and certainly the crew below decks spends every spare minute planning a revolution dreaming of sex, and drinking rum and fighting.

It's a precarious life.

But a kind word here, a few rounds of beer there, and a few good men on that ship carry everyone through with them, and in the end they reach port.

And that's as good as it gets on this planet.

 

[rideforever]

1 hour ago, Johndavid said:

You are not reading his words.

 

Many times Jesus was challenged by the existing order in Judea that hated him ... each time the confronted him his words sparkled so clearly that each of those who visited him became calm and returned to a sense of trust.

A shimmering light flows from the source like a river illuminated by the dawn Sun.

 

[Guest Chica]

2 hours ago, Johndavid said:

 

 

.....

and to the Queen who has shone above me since the beginning of my life.......

 

Please don’t tell me you are referring to old lizzie and ’ould Phil!! 

 

They definitely are two people we can we can look up to !! 

 

 

Hilarious stuff! 

 

Even I couldn't believe rideforever actually wrote that!

So far I have liked what he has written on this forum and he seems to have 'sorted himself out' spiritually with deep insights....but then this about the queen...doesn't seem right..

 

[Golden Retriever]

On 7/28/2020 at 7:08 PM, Terence vasa said:

Why is Christianity so immoral.  It rewards evil and punishes the good 

 

Two posts, and you want to attack Christians.

 

Be gone with you.

 

I don't support any organised religion, but the words of Jesus Christ are uplifting imo.

 

Have you ever read the Jewish Talmud, who David Icke said was the most supremacist dogma of any religion?

 

The Jewish Talmud says Jesus is boiling in shit in hell! I kid you not.

 

And that is why there is an attack on Christianity by a vastly dispropotionate Jewish elite in this world.

 

But Noahide Law in Western countries is becoming the norm and idoltry (the worshipe of Jesus Christ) is not allowed.

 

Check out the Jewish Noahide Laws in the United Nations. One God, the Jewish God.

 

http://noahide.org/

 

https://stopnoahidelaw.blogspot.com/

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Golden Retriever

[Johndavid]

4 hours ago, rideforever said:

 

Many times Jesus was challenged by the existing order in Judea that hated him ... each time the confronted him his words sparkled so clearly that each of those who visited him became calm and returned to a sense of trust.

A shimmering light flows from the source like a river illuminated by the dawn Sun.

 

 

 

All very nice ....but quite meaningless. 

 

‘Jesus’ never wrote anything down.

 

i think there was a good  reason for that. 

 

So I intend to ignore people who say they know exactly what ‘Jesus’  did or didn’t say. 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Johndavid

[Johndavid]

3 hours ago, Chica said:

 

Even I couldn't believe rideforever actually wrote that!

So far I have liked what he has written on this forum and he seems to have 'sorted himself out' spiritually with deep insights....but then this about the queen...doesn't seem right..

 

 

He is a funny guy. Yesterday he wrote that we should follow the laws that were made for us in the past by a ‘ better class of person’ - not doubt the great british upper class! 

 

And I'm still trying to find out when this great golden age in the past was ...where things were so marvelous.

 

The last time the great british upper class were at the top, pre WW1, I suppose , most of us were living in the bloody gutter.

 

There was extreme poverty everywhere, no health care, little or no education, and fuck all personal freedom.  Most had no votes, women were mere ‘objects’ there to work and look pretty, and bare 30 children! . Then add the Christian inspired pathetic  sexual repression ......you could go on and on....

 

how anybody can describe the ‘good old days’  as something we should aspire  to , I find hilarious.  

[shadowmoon]

I admire jesus as a man and the church that runs in his name not much at all.

The jesus who was righteously angry and whipped the moneylenders out from the temple is not the one we were taught about at my school.

 

 

 

[Given To Fly]

maybe because of 'christian' folk like the 'popular' preacher david jeremiah

 

 

the all seeing eye and the upside down cross is prevalent in ALL of his sermons.

wolf in sheep's clothing.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Given To Fly