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1 hour ago, sock muppet said:

the runaway greenhouse effect is also likened to conditions on Venus which is the hottest planet in the solar system because of the thick c02 atmosphere it is alleged to have

 

I remember reading about Venus when I was younger, and yes despite being further from the sun, it does have hotter surface temperatures than Mercury does.

 

The principle is the same, Venus is covered in thick clouds which does cause a greenhouse effect. However I may be wrong but I believe in the case of Venus, the clouds are actually sulphur dioxide, and any rain that falls is literally 'acid rain' in the form of sulphuric acid.

 

I do believe it is entirely plausible that Venus was once habitable, but something catastrophic happened there.

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8 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

I remember reading about Venus when I was younger, and yes despite being further from the sun, it does have hotter surface temperatures than Mercury does.

 

The principle is the same, Venus is covered in thick clouds which does cause a greenhouse effect. However I may be wrong but I believe in the case of Venus, the clouds are actually sulphur dioxide, and any rain that falls is literally 'acid rain' in the form of sulphuric acid.

 

I do believe it is entirely plausible that Venus was once habitable, but something catastrophic happened there.

The atmosphere of Venus is made up almost completely of carbon dioxide. It also includes small doses of nitrogen and clouds of sulfuric acid. The air of Venus is so dense that by mass, the small traces of nitrogen are four times the amount found on Earth, although nitrogen makes up more than three-fourths of the terrestrial atmosphere.
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28 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

The principle is the same, Venus is covered in thick clouds which does cause a greenhouse effect.

 

The thick co2 atmosphere keeps Venus hot because of its volcanic activity from the body of the planet, which Earth is similar to with respect of producing its own internal heat, it is this effect coupled with co2 increase that would cause temperatures to rise at the surface, but here's the thing bearing in mind the grand solar minimum that we are going to experience it may be that we need more of it, but don't get me wrong i'm just as much of an environmentalist as any annoying Swedish girl can be, but i have always thought that the main culprit for changes in the environment is due to toxins and not co2.

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2 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I do believe it is entirely plausible that Venus was once habitable, but something catastrophic happened there.

 

I too believe something catastrophic happen to Venus and is why it rotates backwards compared to the other planets. I also suspect that there was a planet between Mars and Jupiter that something happened to, and the asteroid belt is the remnants of that planet. Mars also carries a 2,500 mi scar on its belly like something grazed it. Maybe the cause was Nibiru .... Planet X .... or a Brown Dwarf Star?

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18 hours ago, JCP said:

 

I too believe something catastrophic happen to Venus and is why it rotates backwards compared to the other planets. I also suspect that there was a planet between Mars and Jupiter that something happened to, and the asteroid belt is the remnants of that planet. Mars also carries a 2,500 mi scar on its belly like something grazed it. Maybe the cause was Nibiru .... Planet X .... or a Brown Dwarf Star?

 

Best place to continue with this discussion would be here

 

 

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On 5/14/2022 at 5:55 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

The more clouds in the atmosphere, the more sunlight gets blocked from reaching the surface. You'll notice on a very warm day, how much cooler it 'feels' when the sun gets obscured by clouds.

 

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Today's high was supposed to have been 21C here, but I doubt that happened very much.

 

It was lovely in the sunshine this morning and I was out in my t-shirt and shorts in the garden, but after about 11am the clouds started thickening, and then the temperature started dropping. Feels quite chilly now outside, I already changed back into trousers earlier, considering putting a jumper on now!

 

Nice work cloud makers!

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28 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

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Today's high was supposed to have been 21C here, but I doubt that happened very much.

 

It was lovely in the sunshine this morning and I was out in my t-shirt and shorts in the garden, but after about 11am the clouds started thickening, and then the temperature started dropping. Feels quite chilly now outside, I already changed back into trousers earlier, considering putting a jumper on now!

 

Nice work cloud makers!

Sums up my weather today as well. Luckily I got loads done before the rain

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On 5/14/2022 at 5:55 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

The thing is, this would happen 'naturally'.

 

so we have to consider other possibilities for why they spray. One area the military is interested in is weather warfare where they can use weather modification to cause draughts or floods to harm their enemies. This could also be used by the corporate network in order to build their planned for monopoly on food production and water.

 

Then there is the possibility that they might be seeding something harmful aimed at adversely affecting health. barrie trower spoke years ago about how microwaves can be used to activate dormant viruses which could be pre-seeded through spraying.

 

Then there is also the fact that they are building a wifi 'cloud' using 5G substations at ground level and low orbiting satellites which means that the world will be shrouded in radiation and perhaps metalic particulates in the atmosphere might have some role in that process

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10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

so we have to consider other possibilities for why they spray. One area the military is interested in is weather warfare where they can use weather modification to cause draughts or floods to harm their enemies. This could also be used by the corporate network in order to build their planned for monopoly on food production and water.

 

While I'm still on the fence regarding "chemtrails", I do believe weather modification is highly plausible and is being used to do as you say.

 

Seeding clouds means they are not forming naturally and I believe this can offer some explanation as to why we have more torrential rain downpours than in the past for example.

 

As I said earlier, nature works in balance, and when scientists start meddling with nature, that's when disasters happen as natural processes spiral out of control.

 

10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

barrie trower spoke years ago about how microwaves can be used to activate dormant viruses which could be pre-seeded through spraying.

 

Sorry but this is where I become sceptical of such claims, because if you look at the German New Medicine (GNM) and Terrain Theory approaches, then there are no such things as viruses as we are led to believe, therefore there is no such thing as a 'dormant virus' that can be activated via microwaves, and certainly such viruses couldn't be sprayed in the air.

 

10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

Then there is also the fact that they are building a wifi 'cloud' using 5G substations at ground level and low orbiting satellites which means that the world will be shrouded in radiation and perhaps metalic particulates in the atmosphere might have some role in that process

I agree that this is a possibility, and certainly all these radio and microwave signals can't be good for one's health, considering we are all beings of energy, frequency and vibration ourselves.

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31 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

 

While I'm still on the fence regarding "chemtrails", I do believe weather modification is highly plausible and is being used to do as you say.

 

In the vietnam war they caused deliberate flooding of the ho chi minh trail to make it harder for the viet cong to bring supplies over the border. That was operation popeye.

 

31 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Seeding clouds means they are not forming naturally and I believe this can offer some explanation as to why we have more torrential rain downpours than in the past for example.

 

operation witch doctor:

 

RAF Rainmakers 'Caused
1952 Flood' Which Killed 35

By John Vidal and Helen Weinstein
The Guardian - London
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On August 15, 1952, one of the worst flash floods ever to have occurred in Britain swept through the Devon village of Lynmouth. Thirty five people died as a torrent of 90m tons of water and thousands of tons of rock poured off saturated Exmoor and into the village destroying homes, bridges, shops and hotels.
 
The disaster was officially termed "the hand of God" but new evidence from previously classified government files suggests that a team of international scientists working with the RAF was experimenting with artificial rainmaking in southern Britain in the same week and could possibly be implicated.
 
Squadron Leader Len Otley, who was working on what was known as Operation Cumulus, has told the BBC that they jokingly referred to the rainmaking exercise as Operation Witch Doctor.
 
His navigator, Group Captain John Hart, remembers the success of these early experiments: "We flew straight through the top of the cloud, poured dry ice down into the cloud. We flew down to see if any rain came out of the cloud. And it did about 30 minutes later, and we all cheered."
 
The meteorological office has in the past denied there were any rainmaking experiments conducted before 1955, but a BBC Radio 4 history investigation, to be broadcast tonight, has unearthed documents recently released at the public record office showing that they were going on from 1949 to 1955. RAF logbooks and personnel corroborate the evidence.
 
Until now, the Ministry of Defence has categorically denied knowledge of any cloud-seeding experiments taking place in the UK during early August 1952. But documents suggest that Operation Cumulus was going on between August 4 and August 15 1952. The scientists were based at Cranfield school of aeronautics and worked in collaboration with the RAF and the MoD's meteorological research flight based at Farnborough. The chemicals were provided by ICI in Billingham.
 
Met office reports from these dates describe flights undertaken to collect data on cumulus cloud temperature, water content, icing rate, vertical motions and turbulence, and water droplet and ice crystal formation. There is no mention of cloud seeding.
 
But a 50-year-old radio broadcast unearthed by Radio 4 describes an aeronautical engineer and glider pilot, Alan Yates, working with Operation Cumulus at the time and flying over Bedfordshire, spraying quantities of salt. He was elated when the scientists told him this had led to a heavy downpour 50 miles away over Staines, in Middlesex.
 
"I was told that the rain had been the heaviest for several years - and all out of a sky which looked summery ... there was no disguising the fact that the seedsman had said he'd make it rain, and he did. Toasts were drunk to meteorology and it was not until the BBC news bulletin [about Lynmouth] was read later on, that a stony silence fell on the company," said Mr Yates at the time.
 
Operation Cumulus was put on hold indefinitely after the tragedy.
 
Declassified minutes from an air ministry meeting, held in the war office on November 3, 1953, show why the military were interested in increasing rain and snow by artificial means. The list of possible uses included "bogging down enemy movement", "incrementing the water flow in rivers and streams to hinder or stop enemy crossings", and clearing fog from airfields.
 
The documents also talk of rainmaking having a potential "to explode an atomic weapon in a seeded storm system or cloud. This would produce a far wider area of radioactive contamination than in a normal atomic explosion".
 
UK weather modification experiments at the time presaged current practice in the US. The idea was to target "super cool" clouds, and to increase the volume of freezing water vapour particles. Most methods involved firing particles of salt, dry ice, or silver iodide, into clouds, either from an aeroplane or from burners on the ground. The clouds would then precipitate, pulled down below freezing point by the extra weight of dense particles, thus making it rain sooner and heavier than it might have done. Significantly, it was claimed that silver iodide could cause a downpour up to 300 miles away.
 
Many countries now use the technology, which has considerably improved during the past 50 years.
 
But controversy still surrounds the efficacy of these early cloud-seeding experiments. In 1955 questions were asked in the Commons about the possibilites of liability and compensation claims. Documents seen by the BBC suggest that both the air ministry and the Treasury became very anxious and were aware that rainmaking could cause damage, not just to military targets and personnel, but also to civilians.
 
The British Geological Survey has recently examined soil sediments in the district of Lynmouth to see if any silver or iodide residues remain. The testing has been limited due to restrictions in place because of foot and mouth disease, and it is inconclusive. However, silver residue has been discovered in the catchment waters of the river Lyn. The BGS will investigate further over the next 18 months.
 
Survivors of the Lynmouth flood called for - but never got - a full investigation into the causes of the disaster. Rumours persist to this day of planes circling before the inundation.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,544196,00.html
 

 

31 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Sorry but this is where I become sceptical of such claims, because if you look at the German New Medicine (GNM) and Terrain Theory approaches, then there are no such things as viruses as we are led to believe, therefore there is no such thing as a 'dormant virus' that can be activated via microwaves, and certainly such viruses couldn't be sprayed in the air.

 

ok so lets say hypothetically speaking that terrain theory is correct. Lets say that the spray contains something harmful that then causes the release of exosomes as your body detoxes and those exosomes are what people call 'viruses'. Agent orange sprayed over crops, water courses and forests in vietnam was found to contain dioxins that caused cancers and birth deformities. Monsanto claimed that their product was 'contaminated' but they knew that stuff was in there

 

31 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

I agree that this is a possibility, and certainly all these radio and microwave signals can't be good for one's health, considering we are all beings of energy, frequency and vibration ourselves.

 

nanoparticles can be so small they can pass through the skin and be inhaled so who knows what is in those clouds

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14 minutes ago, Macnamara said:

ok so lets say hypothetically speaking that terrain theory is correct. Lets say that the spray contains something harmful that then causes the release of exosomes as your body detoxes and those exosomes are what people call 'viruses'.

 

That is probably more likely. I don't think it helps things with people like Barrie Trower saying what they claim, as they are potentially 'muddying the waters' with partial truths  and diverting people from what is really happening.

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I'm gonna have to start taking pics of the chemtrails we have in Cornwall. It's getting beyond a joke how often we see a nice morning sky that's soon overrun by a criss-crossing of chemtrails that linger and spread out like a blanket. Then later in the day what should've been a decent summery day turns overcast and wet. This seems to last a few days, and when that's cleared it's time for a fresh round.

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They chemtrailed the shit out of my area on Friday just gone and low and behold, it's now Sunday and those in my family have got up full of cold, the little one is the worst and she started it on Saturday, fever, snotty nose, coughing constantly. My pets eyes are red raw and it looks fed up. There's a pattern here that can't be ignored. That and the combination of the DEW's (5g) are pissing me right off.

 

Every other day we have chemtrails.

 

I do not believe what we've been taught that the common cold is an illness. I believe it's the body's immune system kicking in to fight shit from an outside source. This is why there's no cure for it. We don't pass that to each other either, we just happen to be in the same place the shit from an outside source was. You ever had the 'cold' but others you see in a different place when you meet don't catch it???

 

 

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Thinking back for years i worked on rigs and ships in the North sea and although you would see vapour trails from the aircraft going on the transatlantic routes or perhaps even military aircraft going supersonic  and leaving a trail there was never the geometric layout that i see today over land,I live quite near the approach to two large Midlands airports so am used to aircraft coming in to land depending on wind direction but always above them is the criss cross pattern,My own assumption is that its becuase its over the largest population density area after London in the UK

 

I don't know if residents within or just outside the M25 have noticed any kind of correlation with this ?

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Relentless chemtrails in the midlands as usual. I notice it’s usually where the sun is. Which is the genius idea bill gates had of blocking out the sun (to stop global warming he says).... 

 

I sat and observed a few planes, normal contrails (condensation) until they go close to where the sun is, then all of a sudden, the trails go from thin and disappearing to thick & spreading like a blanket. 

 

Likewise some planes spray the thick blanket, and as soon as out of where the sun is, normal trails that quickly disappear, while the thick ones begin to blanket out the sun. 

 

It cant be more obvious after sitting and watching this for an hour. Some planes don’t even show up on the flight tracker 24 website whatever it’s called, meaning it’s military. 

 

No wonder May, yet again which is supposed to be summer was a cold month, they’re blocking out the sun, which keeps us low in vit D3, more ill, more depressed and messes plant/ food growth

 

Bottom line is they’re blocking out the sun, fk knows if anything is being sprayed on us, previous rain water samples show high concentration of certain chemicals are coming out of the sky when they shouldn’t be (usually aluminium) and the brain dead npc’s will never figure it out. Even when they see it with their own 2 eyes. It is a criminal attack on the public

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On 5/23/2022 at 9:58 AM, spideysensei said:

I'm gonna have to start taking pics of the chemtrails we have in Cornwall. It's getting beyond a joke how often we see a nice morning sky that's soon overrun by a criss-crossing of chemtrails that linger and spread out like a blanket. Then later in the day what should've been a decent summery day turns overcast and wet. This seems to last a few days, and when that's cleared it's time for a fresh round.

Same in Devon, think they are possibly using st Mawgen near Newquay or maybe Predanock airfield.
If you live near one please get some photos of the planes that are taking off from here)

I Think they're maybe Drones, milatary plane style drones. to get so many contrails so close and at such regular time intervals they need something relatively light and maneuverable.  From a distance they look like jumbo jets but I think these are actually the jet powered plane attack drones, need someone with a high quality digital camera to have a closer look at these.

The planes in cornwall and devon are probably using disused airports or milatary airports - and the same elsewhere in the country:
 

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There's alot of talk here (even amongst the normies)  on social media and out on the street, of just why they are there, and that something isn't right? There's no flight path here where we are and there are usually at least 3 or 4 planes in the sky billowing white trails.
Every day starts off perfect, then as soon as the sky begins to resemble a game of noughts and crosses using white lines the clouds then form.

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@sickofallthebollocks glad the normies are noticing! It really must be getting obvious. Sometimes i look on flight trackers but they're pretty poor for showing everything. I've even seen red & white air ambulances outside inexplicably not showing up online, so i know that much is hidden, even apparently normal stuff.

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Pyramids and criss-cross shit above this TI's house

 

 

I'm prob still of the mind that these things aren't really a worldly poisonous attack on us, as it's just not efficient or economical for them. It's high up and bound to get dissipated and mixed with rain, cloud, wind etc and blown away all over the place over non-populated areas like seas and forests etc. If they want to do that, just use it on our food and through ventilators at ground/ceiling level.

 

To me now I'm thinking it's more ritual/spiritual.

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