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2 minutes ago, TheConsultant said:


Why would it be done in secret if its for humanitarian reasons? 
 


Big pharma? and again why would it need to be done in secret if everyone within the loop believes it is a large humanitarian project?

 

 

OK. Let's just find someone who is involved in this massive industrial process. Look at the skies some days. Seemingly thick with the stuff.  If it's as pervasive as many think - given the evidence in the skies - it must be a massive industrial process. Where are the raw materials coming from, how are they being transported, where are they being processed and which planes are specifically responsible?

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4 minutes ago, Janet W said:

Where are the raw materials coming from, how are they being transported, where are they being processed and which planes are specifically responsible?


not all flying objects are manned and that has been the case for a very long time, many military bases exist. Raw materials depends on what is being sprayed (if it really is happening), big pharma last i checked is a pretty large industry with many raw materials of all sorts of uses being shipped around all of the time. 

How many jobs come with having to sign NDAs ?

 

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5 minutes ago, Janet W said:

 

OK. Let's just find someone who is involved in this massive industrial process. Look at the skies some days. Seemingly thick with the stuff.  If it's as pervasive as many think - given the evidence in the skies - it must be a massive industrial process. Where are the raw materials coming from, how are they being transported, where are they being processed and which planes are specifically responsible?

 

Why assume massive industrial process, all it takes is some well placed personnel.

The latter of your questions are the right questions to be asking, have you made a link yet to what's going on up there, to what is going on down here with respect to convid?

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9 minutes ago, Janet W said:

 

OK. Let's just find someone who is involved in this massive industrial process. Look at the skies some days. Seemingly thick with the stuff.  If it's as pervasive as many think - given the evidence in the skies - it must be a massive industrial process. Where are the raw materials coming from, how are they being transported, where are they being processed and which planes are specifically responsible?

 

And don't forget that one of the techniques employed to extinguish the oil well fires in the gulf that Saddam Hussein ignited, was the jet engine with water pumped through it.

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23 minutes ago, Janet W said:

 

Oh dear! I didn't say it wasn't happening (although I think small scale weather modification is).  I just gave my reasons why I don't think chemicals are 'smuggled' into aviation fuel on commercial jets or involves the connivance of personnel working in those fields.

But I'm still waiting for the evidence of special aircraft doing this. The skies are full of 'chemtrails' some days so there must be thousands of them. Where are they taking off and landing from? Who is maintaining them? And most of all where are all the thousands and thousands of tons of the stuff being manufactured, and distributed without anyone knowing anyone who is involved in this massive operation?

 

 

It's all rather secret isn't it?

 

But I suggest it's mainly military aircraft and the poisons are being produced in Porton Down and other secret locations

 

Millions were in germ war tests

"Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public. (no specifics given and doubt if she is being truthful)

'The results from these trials will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.' You betcha she's not

going to discuss it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

 

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2 minutes ago, Golden Retriever said:

 

 

It's all rather secret isn't it?

 

But I suggest it's mainly military aircraft and the poisons are being produced in Porton Down and other secret locations

 

Millions were in germ war tests

"Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public. (no specifics given and doubt if she is being truthful)

'The results from these trials will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.' You betcha she's not

going to discuss it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

 

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And with respect to novichok also.

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3 hours ago, Janet W said:

But I'm still waiting for the evidence of special aircraft doing this. The skies are full of 'chemtrails' some days so there must be thousands of them. Where are they taking off and landing from? Who is maintaining them? And most of all where are all the thousands and thousands of tons of the stuff being manufactured, and distributed without anyone knowing anyone who is involved in this massive operation?

 

you've already been provided with a clip of an ex FBI agent telling you two airbases they are taking off from and also an ex military woman who was in charge of handling the manifest for what came onto military bases telling you that there were vast quantities of certain substances coming onto the bases unaccounted for. Why have you ignored these?

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you've already been provided with a clip of an ex FBI agent telling you two airbases they are taking off from and also an ex military woman who was in charge of handling the manifest for what came onto military bases telling you that there were vast quantities of certain substances coming onto the bases unaccounted for. Why have you ignored these?

 

Not ignored. The ex-military woman isn't saying anything new, nor presenting any evidence. I can stand up and just claim that sort of stuff - though not as young or glam! Ted Gunderson is interesting. Doing a bit of research reveals he made numerous extraordinary claims, like 4,000 ritual sacrifices in NYC annually...

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3 minutes ago, Janet W said:

The ex-military woman isn't saying anything new, nor presenting any evidence.

 

so any whistleblower testimony is to be instantly discounted is it?

 

how about the contruction of nuclear weapons in various countries? do you reckon that is done in secrecy?

 

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1 hour ago, Janet W said:

 

Not ignored. The ex-military woman isn't saying anything new, nor presenting any evidence. I can stand up and just claim that sort of stuff - though not as young or glam! Ted Gunderson is interesting. Doing a bit of research reveals he made numerous extraordinary claims, like 4,000 ritual sacrifices in NYC annually...

 

Have a listen to Tony Gosling interviewing Len Lawrence on the subject of cabin fumes, neurotoxins, medications and cover ups.:classic_blink:

 

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More are noticing and providing evidence.

 

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And this comment from the same page caught my attention, i can not verify what is written but i would like to know the answer to this assertion, if true then this is a smoking gun that screams intent/willful!

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More like autumn here in uk, someone posted a link about a chembuster/cloudbuster, near beginning of this thread.

Has anyone tried to make/use one of these? Do they work?

 Also just a thought but these particles they putting into the sky must surely drop down eventually? Is that why my car is always covered in dust lately?

  I could really do with some sunshine, cant imagine farmers crops starting off too well either. I like the idea of these chembuster things but cant help but feel a bit too good to be true. Surely youtube would delete the videos about them if they worked? I use youtube as a barometer for what they want us to see. 2 things spring to mind...... 5G and the jibjab.  oooh thats disinformation......

 

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23 hours ago, Craigstah said:

More like autumn here in uk, someone posted a link about a chembuster/cloudbuster, near beginning of this thread.

Has anyone tried to make/use one of these? Do they work?

 Also just a thought but these particles they putting into the sky must surely drop down eventually? Is that why my car is always covered in dust lately?

  I could really do with some sunshine, cant imagine farmers crops starting off too well either. I like the idea of these chembuster things but cant help but feel a bit too good to be true. Surely youtube would delete the videos about them if they worked? I use youtube as a barometer for what they want us to see. 2 things spring to mind...... 5G and the jibjab.  oooh thats disinformation......

 

 

I would be interesting to look at infrared camera or other spectrums, maybe that could prove it is not "water vapour" as they claim. 

 

I still think it is pollution from the planes engine exhausts that shows up more in certain climate conditions than others. However i do also think that they are spraying at times as well. The problem is how can one differentiate. 

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6 minutes ago, SimonTV said:

 

I would be interesting to look at infrared camera or other spectrums, maybe that could prove it is not "water vapour" as they claim. 

 

I still think it is pollution from the planes engine exhausts that shows up more in certain climate conditions than others. However i do also think that they are spraying at times as well. The problem is how can one differentiate. 


fucking great idea! Light spectroscopy!

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8 hours ago, SimonTV said:

 

I would be interesting to look at infrared camera or other spectrums, maybe that could prove it is not "water vapour" as they claim. 

 

I still think it is pollution from the planes engine exhausts that shows up more in certain climate conditions than others. However i do also think that they are spraying at times as well. The problem is how can one differentiate. 

 

It could be worse.

 

 

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Someone mentioned the other day about using filters when checking out vapour trails. Idea being that non water or fuel vapour would appear different. Along those lines anyway.

If who ever it was sees this post can they remind me about what I'm looking for please. I don't have time to go through the thread so your help would be much appreciated.

I have over 60 different filters mainly for my telescope. Easy enough to check out chem trails if I have the right sort.

Without knowing what type of filter, I could anything or nothing

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On 5/1/2022 at 7:43 PM, Macnamara said:

Met Office Study: Solar Radiation Management with stratospheric sulfate aerosols leads to drought

 

 

UK government’s view on greenhouse gas removal technologies and solar radiation management

Updated 4 May 2020

SRM technologies reflect some of the Sun’s energy that reaches Earth back into space. Examples include the brightening of marine clouds and injection of aerosols into the stratosphere.

Why they are needed

In order to deliver on the commitment the UK made by signing the Paris Agreement, the UK has legislated for a net zero emissions target by 2050.[footnote 1] Our independent advisers, the Committee on Climate Change (CCC), have made it clear that GGRs will be essential to realising this target, to offset remaining emissions in the sectors where it is most difficult to cut them.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/geo-engineering-research-the-government-s-view/uk-governments-view-on-greenhouse-gas-removal-technologies-and-solar-radiation-management

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I looked up at the sky y’day afternoon and saw the longest, widest trail I have ever seen. I was shocked at the length and width of it, never ever seen one like it before. It was a thick, almost solid looking trail, normally the ones I see resemble a very, very light broken up white very thin cloud effect. It was shocking.

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They admit they use geo-engineering but don't say what chemicals they are spraying us with.

UK government’s view on greenhouse gas removal technologies and solar radiation management

Updated 4 May 2020

What they are

Greenhouse Gas Removal (GGR) and Solar Radiation Management (SRM) are terms describing a range of technologies that aim to counteract human-caused climate change by deliberate large-scale intervention in the Earth’s natural systems. They are sometimes referred to as ‘geo-engineering’ or ‘climate engineering’.

GGR technologies actively remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.

 

SRM technologies reflect some of the Sun’s energy that reaches Earth back into space. Examples include the brightening of marine clouds and injection of aerosols into the stratosphere.

Why they are needed

In order to deliver on the commitment the UK made by signing the Paris Agreement, the UK has legislated for a net zero emissions target by 2050

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/geo-engineering-research-the-government-s-view/uk-governments-view-on-greenhouse-gas-removal-technologies-and-solar-radiation-management

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On 5/10/2022 at 5:58 PM, Macnamara said:

 

UK government’s view on greenhouse gas removal technologies and solar radiation management

Updated 4 May 2020

SRM technologies reflect some of the Sun’s energy that reaches Earth back into space. Examples include the brightening of marine clouds and injection of aerosols into the stratosphere.

Why they are needed

In order to deliver on the commitment the UK made by signing the Paris Agreement, the UK has legislated for a net zero emissions target by 2050.[footnote 1] Our independent advisers, the Committee on Climate Change (CCC), have made it clear that GGRs will be essential to realising this target, to offset remaining emissions in the sectors where it is most difficult to cut them.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/geo-engineering-research-the-government-s-view/uk-governments-view-on-greenhouse-gas-removal-technologies-and-solar-radiation-management

 

The thing is, this would happen 'naturally'.

 

As I understand things, as the surface temperature increases (so we keep being told) surely more water from the surface (ie oceans) would evaporate, which then condenses in the atmosphere forming clouds.

 

The more clouds in the atmosphere, the more sunlight gets blocked from reaching the surface. You'll notice on a very warm day, how much cooler it 'feels' when the sun gets obscured by clouds.

 

Nature finds a way to maintain a balance. If we start interfering with this process, thats when things start to get a bit awry.

 

Don't forget also that water vapour and clouds also contribute to the 'greenhouse effect' - though when it comes to greenhouse 'gases', water vapour gets conveniently overlooked, despite there being a far higher concentration than carbon dioxide.

 

If we start producing 'too many' clouds, surface heat has less opportunity to radiate away, so we could end up making things worse. Also, with an imbalance of water in the atmosphere, that's when rainfall starts becoming ever more extreme, and we end up with floods.

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18 minutes ago, Grumpy Owl said:

If we start producing 'too many' clouds, surface heat has less opportunity to radiate away, so we could end up making things worse. Also, with an imbalance of water in the atmosphere, that's when rainfall starts becoming ever more extreme, and we end up with floods.

 

Also remember that for a gas such as water vapour or any gas for that matter requires a surface on which to form like dust, if there was no dust in the atmosphere then there would be no clouds at all. which is why we are seeing the chemtrails streaked across the sky as there must be some sort of crystaline matter being produced either from the jet fuel used or directly injected into the atmosphere as an aerosol, the runaway greenhouse effect is also likened to conditions on Venus which is the hottest planet in the solar system because of the thick c02 atmosphere it is alleged to have.

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On 5/11/2022 at 8:28 PM, Golden Retriever said:

They admit they use geo-engineering but don't say what chemicals they are spraying us with.

UK government’s view on greenhouse gas removal technologies and solar radiation management

Updated 4 May 2020

What they are

Greenhouse Gas Removal (GGR) and Solar Radiation Management (SRM) are terms describing a range of technologies that aim to counteract human-caused climate change by deliberate large-scale intervention in the Earth’s natural systems. They are sometimes referred to as ‘geo-engineering’ or ‘climate engineering’.

GGR technologies actively remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.

 

SRM technologies reflect some of the Sun’s energy that reaches Earth back into space. Examples include the brightening of marine clouds and injection of aerosols into the stratosphere.

Why they are needed

In order to deliver on the commitment the UK made by signing the Paris Agreement, the UK has legislated for a net zero emissions target by 2050

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/geo-engineering-research-the-government-s-view/uk-governments-view-on-greenhouse-gas-removal-technologies-and-solar-radiation-management

 

Also you get the impression that what they think they are doing is completely the right thing and an epic achievement in terms of 'leading the way', with fancy acronyms and smugness that, no matter what, we will stay the course, even if it means murdering our own citizens in the process because of some agenda that must be met that no one voted for or wants.

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