Out of Place Artifacts (Ooparts)

[Macnamara]

26 minutes ago, Bombadil said:

Literally loads of his stuff on YouTube. 
I find a lot of of it quite heavy going. Not Hancock but it depends how articulate the other authors are. Tried reading the full Vedic texts. Enjoyed what I read but a definable head frazzled

 

I read some indian mythology as I travelled around there and if i came near a place that was linked to mythology I would go there.

 

The stories are intimately linked with the landscape in the same way that scottish mythology is with the scottish landscape. I would love to reconstruct scottish myth within the context of the land to root the stories to place

[Bombadil]

10 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

I read some indian mythology as I travelled around there and if i came near a place that was linked to mythology I would go there.

 

The stories are intimately linked with the landscape in the same way that scottish mythology is with the scottish landscape. I would love to reconstruct scottish myth within the context of the land to root the stories to place

Spent7 months travelling India and we had a similar mentality. We never had an exact plan but followowed the myths and advice of locals. Saw some real hidden gems not in the guide books. With wonderful people showing us the heritage proudly.

 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

The Antikythera Mechanism

 

The Antikythera mechanism, dated to aproximately 200 - 100 BC, has been described as the world's first computer and there is evidence, including among the accounts of Cicero, that it was not unique. The device was discovered in 1901, amongst other valuable objects from antiquity, within a shipwreck off the coast of the Greek island Antikythera. It was not until the 21st century that modern scanners were able to pentrate the device's erosion to glean its true craftsmanship.

 

The mechanism has interlocking gears of impressive ingenuity with an apparent instruction manual inscribed on the sides of the machine. It was capable of indicating the position of the sun, moon, lunar phases and even eclipses - cycles which can be complex and irregular. It is also thought to have had the ability to trace the paths of other planets including Venus and could show exactly how the sky would look for decades to come.

 

Its discovery points to the possibility that the ancients possessed far more advanced knowledge and technology than mainstream thought gives credit for.

 

 

 

[Nobby Noboddy]

[Mitochondrial Eve]

Whilst not necessarily about an "artifact", this Bright Insight video still has a place in this thread .

 

Jimmy has been in Egypt getting up close to some of the structures and shows the unbelievable precision with which stone blocks have been cut and formed together - so precise that not even a razorblade or hair could fit between them.

 

It is hard to explain how such accuracy was achieved in antiquity. Mainstream theories of the use of bronze and copper tools seem highly improbable and have been tested showing how the tools barely made a dent in either limestone or granite.

 

To cut, carve, move and place each of the millions of blocks and flooring stones making up the pyramids and other sites throughout Egypt was a colossal effort which surely could not have been achieved with such slow and primitive methods. A lost, ancient technology seems like a more plausible explanation than what the mainstream offers.

 

 

[Macnamara]

4 hours ago, Mitochondrial Eve said:

To cut, carve, move and place each of the millions of blocks and flooring stones making up the pyramids and other sites throughout Egypt was a colossal effort which surely could not have been achieved with such slow and primitive methods.

 

Their work with granite is phenomenal but you can see the tool marks on the limestone in that video which is much softer than granite and easier to work.

 

Here is a clip of a french mason cutting limestone quickly using axes and rasps:

 

 

[Mitochondrial Eve]

7 hours ago, Macnamara said:

 

Their work with granite is phenomenal but you can see the tool marks on the limestone in that video which is much softer than granite and easier to work.

 

Here is a clip of a french mason cutting limestone quickly using axes and rasps:

 

 

 

Interesting video Mac - thank you.

 

I know you work with stone and wonder what your thoughts are on how the precision of the Egyptian structures was achieved - both with limestone but, more importantly, granite?

 

Somes of the comments from the Bright Insight video are from those claiming that they work with stone. Aside from the odd dissenting voice, the consensus is that the mainstream explanation is sorely lacking and there must have been the use of ancient techniques or technology now lost. Here are a selection of such comments.

 

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I've worked in construction even diamond drilling and sawing for 15 years and even with today's technology it's extremely difficult to obtain that level of precision and they seem to be able to do it with ease on a massive scale it's unbelievable to me.

 

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Have you been hit with those theories yet, that they used the sun and a lense like a magnifying glass to melt the stone into shape? After working with granite for 20 years, I heard it all, but its all bs. This is clear work of power tools on a scale we can't fathom, because our technology is based on a "pully" system.

 

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I've worked with Granite, Marble and many varieties of stone for over 27 years. I've cut and polished Granite, Marble with different techniques. It's not difficult to achieve such precision without using lasers. Yes! working with stone is labor intensive. You know as well as I do, working with stone is not a rushed process.

 

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I worked with stone for 4 years... We made pavement, stairs, walls etc. The most difficult thing to do was to connect two pieces on right angle by making a 45 degrees cut on each piece. And we are talking lengths of 30cm tops thickness 5cm max. Using a diamond saw. Even slightest mistake and two pieces don't connect 100%. Sure I could put more effort and time and make it 100% but the point was how much effort it takes with modern tools to connect two tiny surface areas which makes me just gasp when I see those razor thin connections on giant stone blocks... Its literally impossible. I never seen anybody pointing this out in Egypt. Like wtf that's impossible. Ugh this why I want to visit the place myself to see in person all these details then you can appreciate the level of difficulty or should I say impossibility.

 

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I worked in stonemasonry in my youth, and what i found was, when we had to renovate some 150 stone steps on the Albert Memorial London that weighed over a ton plus each, the first one to be moved took seven to eight men about 40 minuets... by the time we had moved twenty plus.. it took just two men, a couple of cut down scaffold tubes as rollers and sturdy bits of timber to shift them every ten minuets, so what i learned by that experience is, I'm sure the first stones laid in the construction of the pyramids was a labour intensive operation.. but i guarantee you, once it all became second nature, Mustafa and his mate were throwing them things up there on the weekend to get some over time in, same with cutting stone, and if you cant find tools, id look at the same reason why we cant find technology from ancient china.. it was all made from bamboo.. so i suggest.. maybe they used thin slabs of timber and as shown in the video sand as an abrasive, easy to make and mass produce.. is an idea but as good as any.

 

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I’m a 7th generation tile setter. I work with granite,limestone,marble etc and I can say I’m 100% positive all that stone work at Giza was not done with bronze tools!

 

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I have worked in massive stone fabrication for 36 years. (I'm retired now) I have operated a dimensional stone block quarry for 21 years. We quarry blocks up to 36 tonnes to be shipped to fabricators all over North America for further processing into slabs and large architectural details for various buildings (office, bank, government etc.) the precision required for the type of construction shown in the video and the material handling capacity it requires would stretch our current technology to (and in my opinion) beyond what we are capable of today. Especially considering the very tight time limits for completion. I can't tell you how they would have done it, but you are right, it is a technology lost in time. My hat is off to the people who produced and placed these blocks.

 

I am also aware of stone softening theories (I started a thread as such on the hacked forum which is now lost) and would like to know if you have any views?

[Macnamara]

On 11/26/2021 at 8:28 AM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

interesting video Mac - thank you.

 

what it shows is how fast a skilled worker can shape limestone especially if it is a soft kind of limestone

 

On 11/26/2021 at 8:28 AM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

I know you work with stone and wonder what your thoughts are on how the precision of the Egyptian structures was achieved - both with limestone but, more importantly, granite?

 

I dabble but not with granite although some of my ancestors did build many granite buildings in aberdeen and the north east.

 

On 11/26/2021 at 8:28 AM, Mitochondrial Eve said:

Somes of the comments from the Bright Insight video are from those claiming that they work with stone. Aside from the odd dissenting voice, the consensus is that the mainstream explanation is sorely lacking and there must have been the use of ancient techniques or technology now lost. Here are a selection of such comments.

 

I think there are two things to bare in mind. First of all egypt was a country of alchemy which meant that their sacred buildings were being built as part of a magical process much like that french mason was building out of more than just a desire to earn his bread. It is a transcendent experience for them

 

Secondly a vital part of magic is will and we can't necessarily listen to modern workers who mostly use lifting gear and hydraulics and so on to do the work for them and who clock out at 5pm and collect a pay cheque at the end of the month and try and guage from them the level of WILL of our forebears and that is in no way meant to disparage those modern workers

 

It's just we are talking about next level will here that is geared not around making profit or even art (for arts sake) but instead we are talking about a people working with one mind towards the transformation of human consciousness. Next level motivation, next level will power, next level vision

Edited November 27, 2021 by Macnamara

[Macnamara]

@15 minutes they explore the idea of exploiting fault lines in rock using fire:

 

 

[alexa]

Stunning 'Good Shepherd' ring that depicts a young Jesus holding a sheep is found on two shipwrecks that sank in Israel's ancient port of Caesarea

The ring, which likely belonged to a woman, was found on 1,700-year-old shipwreck in Israel's in the ancient port of Caesarea. The ring's gemstone shows an image of a young Jesus.

 

[Truthspoon]

Interesting that Jesus seems to have short hair... I saw Jesus in a dream (only the back of his head) and he had short hair...not a crew cut or anything, nor short back and sides, just kind of a normal slightly choppy hair cut.

 

 

[Bombadil]

Couple of links for light reading!

 

https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/ooparts-found-coal-0010767

 

https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/swiss-ring-watch-003312