Covid-19 Tests

[Grumpy Owl]

Covid test lab in Wolverhampton suspended over wrong results

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About 43,000 people in England and Wales may have been wrongly told their Covid-19 test was negative because of errors at a private laboratory.

Testing at the Wolverhampton lab has been suspended following an investigation by NHS Test and Trace.

The head of the UK Health Security Agency has ordered an investigation into why it took a month to identify the failures.

Those still infectious are being asked to take another Covid test.

Concerns were raised when people had positive lateral flow tests, but negative follow-up PCR results from the lab between 8 September and 12 October - most affected live in the South West of England.

The error could mean thousands of people infected with Covid were wrongly told to stop isolating, and may have infected others.

From: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54923641

 

Notice how there's equally no mention of the 'possibility' of people receiving 'false positive' results too.

 

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Prof Alan McNally, from the University of Birmingham, told the BBC he was "astonished" by the revelation and could not work out how so many tests could be incorrect.

 

Umm, perhaps because the PCR is not designed for 'testing'?

 

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All samples from the lab, where Immensa Health Clinic Ltd runs the testing operations, are now being sent to other labs.

Government records show that Immensa, which was founded in May 2020 just months after the start of the pandemic, has been awarded contracts for Covid testing by the Department of Health valued at £181 million.

 

Nice work if you can get it. Snouts in the trough, and all that.

[Nathan Oakley]

On 9/7/2021 at 2:53 PM, Grumpy Grapes said:

I'm uncertain on what happens when an organisation says that it is 'private' and doesn't adhere to the government regulations. For instance, I had the chance to visit the home of the famous Chelsea pensioners, but was told:

 

“We are asking all visitors to take a Lateral Flow Test before visiting the Royal Hospital site. This is because, unlike many visitor destinations, we have a resident community of older Army veterans (the Chelsea Pensioners) - many of whom remain vulnerable to coronavirus."

 

In reply to my query as to whether the test was legally required, I was told:

   

“It is not a legal requirement. However, the Royal Hospital Chelsea is a private site, which includes a registered care home, and admission for members of the public or non-residents is at the discretion of the Board of Commissioners. Whilst we appreciate that our infection control measures may differ to other heritage attractions - or indeed to other care providers, it is our policy that all visitors to the Royal Hospital site demonstrate proof of a negative Lateral Flow Test prior to entering the site to safeguard our resident veteran community. 

We are therefore asking all visitors to adhere to our COVID-19 guidelines.”

 

I didn't attend, but I'm wondering whether they could have legally thrown me out if I had tried to enter without one. 

 

Bit like trying to enter a posh night club with trainers.

[Nathan Oakley]

On 9/9/2021 at 2:27 AM, Freedom Lane55 said:

As Ive mentioned before on the Coronavirus thread I recently had to cancel 2 specialist Drs appts due to the fact that they wanted me to have a PCR test first .i did  manage to get a video appt with anther specialist as an alternative .

 

I have an issue with my eyes ( not related to the statements above ) and am supposed to be having laser surgery to reduce the pressure (glaucoma ).

In the last 24 hours Ive developed another 2 problems with one eye and rang my eye specialist to see if I could make an urgent appt . I was told they usually require a PCR test but as it was urgent they could could do a lateral flow test ,which to me is still based on the presumption that such tests can detect a virus which hasn't been proven to exist ,and I told them that .

They said  they would leave it up to me . I realise there's a risk by not making an appointment but i feel its giving in if i have the tests . it means i probably will have to decide not to have the laser treatment too .Though I suppose some will say this is cutting off your nose to spite your face ,

I can see its going to be the same now if you want to see any specialist Dr here in Australia and probably will be the same for dentists too .

Im trying to find something using the Discrimination Act that might provide an exemption .

 

 

You are going to let them stick a lazer into your eyes? WTF. 
I had have the PCR test in order than not to happen!!

[Malbec]

1 minute ago, Grumpy Owl said:

Covid test lab in Wolverhampton suspended over wrong results

From: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54923641

 

Notice how there's equally no mention of the 'possibility' of people receiving 'false positive' results too.

 

 

Umm, perhaps because the PCR is not designed for 'testing'?

 

 

Nice work if you can get it. Snouts in the trough, and all that.

Heard this on local radio, in Wolverhampton actually, yesterday. I did wonder whether they have done it as a publicity stunt to encourage more testing? For the paranoid folks who may test regularly and have previously had negative results?  And to add to the general worry of spread of "cases", or justify the so called spike in covid cases (as opposed to being vaccine related) 

 

 

 

 

[Grumpy Owl]

2 minutes ago, Malbec said:

Heard this on local radio, in Wolverhampton actually, yesterday. I did wonder whether they have done it as a publicity stunt to encourage more testing? For the paranoid folks who may test regularly and have previously had negative results?  And to add to the general worry of spread of "cases", or justify the so called spike in covid cases (as opposed to being vaccine related) 

 

 

 

 

It's quite possible. Maybe this testing lab was 'exceeding its quota' of negative results. Or 'not enough positives'.

 

Either way, people will continue to keep taking these 'tests', in which case this pandemic will just go on forever.

 

The hope is that maybe a few more people will start to question all this, maybe those who tested 'positive' yet had no symptoms might start to question if they can get negative results wrong, maybe postive results can be wrong too.

 

Or perhaps this is the start of the 'general rolling back' of mass testing, in order to 'quietly' bring the pandemic to a close.

[Malbec]

6 hours ago, Grumpy Owl said:

It's quite possible. Maybe this testing lab was 'exceeding its quota' of negative results. Or 'not enough positives'.

 

Either way, people will continue to keep taking these 'tests', in which case this pandemic will just go on forever.

 

The hope is that maybe a few more people will start to question all this, maybe those who tested 'positive' yet had no symptoms might start to question if they can get negative results wrong, maybe postive results can be wrong too.

 

Or perhaps this is the start of the 'general rolling back' of mass testing, in order to 'quietly' bring the pandemic to a close.

I know, i can't believe people are still testing after this inordinate amount of time, knowing the consequences too. Hopefully, it will beg the question about false positives... but if it brings the pandemic to a close, whats stage 2?!  

[Freedom Lane55]

On 10/16/2021 at 10:42 PM, Nathan Oakley said:

 

You are going to let them stick a lazer into your eyes? WTF. 
I had have the PCR test in order than not to happen!!

Obviously you have no idea what the current treatments for Glaucoma are .I have already lost a lot of  peripheral vision and am in danger of an attack of dangerous eye pressure which could result in blindness  .This laser treatment has been the accepted preventitive  treatment in closed angle glaucoma for several years . 

[Nathan Oakley]

1 hour ago, Freedom Lane55 said:

Obviously you have no idea what the current treatments for Glaucoma are .I have already lost a lot of  peripheral vision and am in danger of an attack of dangerous eye pressure which could result in blindness  .This laser treatment has been the accepted preventitive  treatment in closed angle glaucoma for several years . 

 

Knowing what you know now about the medical establishment and Big Pharma - you trust them taking a laser to your eyes?

[Freedom Lane55]

33 minutes ago, Nathan Oakley said:

 

Knowing what you know now about the medical establishment and Big Pharma - you trust them taking a laser to your eyes?

as i said ,this is the current available treatment. I know of others  who have had it .When you are in danger of losing your sight you have to trust someone ,if there was an alternative that had reasonable results I'd do it .Ive done my research into what it involves and the risks and i don't have to justify myself to anyone .

Edited October 18, 2021 by Freedom Lane55

[Gameisup]

On 10/18/2021 at 11:48 AM, Nathan Oakley said:

 

Knowing what you know now about the medical establishment and Big Pharma - you trust them taking a laser to your eyes?

Nathan Oakley. The master of false logic

[Nathan Oakley]

1 hour ago, Gameisup said:

Nathan Oakley. The master of false logic

 

Show me gas pressure without a container!

[k_j_evans]

Does anyone know if you can still get free lateral flow tests (and where from) in England? I wanted to do some research and testing to see if it is possible to force a negative result in a similar way to the (alleged) forcing of a positive result with acidic liquid.

[DarianF]

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Many false positives are possible in the upper part of this cycle threshold range, especially in areas of low prevalence. In particular, virus culture has been found to be unfeasible in cases with a Ct value exceeding 33. A prospective cohort study involving the first 100 COVID-19 patients in Singapore also showed that attempts to culture the virus failed in all PCR-positive samples with a Ct value >30” [121]. During mass testing in Germany, it was found "that more than half of individuals with positive PCR test results are unlikely to have been infectious" [122]. Another study found that tests with low specificity (deriving from use of many cycles) cannot provide strong evidence for the presence of an infection [123]. A systematic review of PCR testing concluded “Complete live viruses are necessary for transmission, not the fragments identified by PCR. Prospective routine testing of reference and culture specimens and their relationship to symptoms, signs and patient co-factors should be used to define the reliability of PCR for assessing infectious potential. Those with high cycle threshold are unlikely to have infectious potential.” [89].

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8437699/

 

@Mitochondrial Eve

[Moon Monkey]

On 16/10/2021 at 12:42 PM, Nathan Oakley said:

 

You are going to let them stick a lazer into your eyes? WTF. 
I had have the PCR test in order than not to happen!!

Just do the LFT it's not worth risking your eye health for. If you have to do it on site just do it in the toilet yourself. (Whether you follow the directions for use is entirely up to you ;) )

[Moon Monkey]

On 18/10/2021 at 9:28 AM, Freedom Lane55 said:

Obviously you have no idea what the current treatments for Glaucoma are .I have already lost a lot of  peripheral vision and am in danger of an attack of dangerous eye pressure which could result in blindness  .This laser treatment has been the accepted preventitive  treatment in closed angle glaucoma for several years . 

I think I read cannabis lowers eye pressure. Could be worth looking into perhaps?

[Seeker]

Is the cdc getting rid of the pcr test on 31st Dec? If so it seems they want a different test to bring in, or... at venues or travelling when they say; you need a negative test or proof of vaccination to travel, if there are no tests any more, then there’s only one way they will let you in/ travel... 

[k_j_evans]

Well, managed to get a pack of tests delivered to the house. The collection option didn't work - they said they didn't believe it was a genuine request, but the home delivery with same details did work. Got them really to see how they work, but got a friend to do test - I wouldn't have actually done it - just used tap water or something - but still. Had a sneezing fit afterwards so maybe there is something in the swabs - will have to investigate. Interestingly enough, you can report result online and get a text or email back to show at a venue even if you do not have an NHS account - it asks what the result was and serial number of test kit, but no actual proof of result (like a photo) is required. Which just proves even more that it is all a load of bollocks.

[Martin1234]

I played about with a lateral flow test today.

 

You don't even need to put the thing anywhere near your nose. Just go online to register test result, scan the QR code and it'll ask you if it was positive or negative. Select negative and you get a text message confirming.

 

According to the government website, you can then show this text to gain entry to any event where a covid passport is required.

 

So the system is full of holes. I didn't even unpack the test, nevermind sticking it in my nose and I've got a valid text for the next 48 hours.

 

You can self certify a covid pass exemption until Christmas Eve, but assuming this doesn't change, there seems to be a loophole.

[Longtermlurker]

On 12/19/2021 at 9:13 PM, Martin1234 said:

I played about with a lateral flow test today.

 

You don't even need to put the thing anywhere near your nose. Just go online to register test result, scan the QR code and it'll ask you if it was positive or negative. Select negative and you get a text message confirming.

 

According to the government website, you can then show this text to gain entry to any event where a covid passport is required.

 

So the system is full of holes. I didn't even unpack the test, nevermind sticking it in my nose and I've got a valid text for the next 48 hours.

 

You can self certify a covid pass exemption until Christmas Eve, but assuming this doesn't change, there seems to be a loophole.

 

 

It's not a loophole

It's an open barn door.

That should be utilized to it's max potential

(I go watch my local football team with this loophole as often as poss)

 

Same with wearing a mask. You don't have to at all.

 

Law states if wearing a mask causes you "adverse distress" then you don't have too.

 

It's entirely your choice 

 

During 1st lockdown customers were even getting compensation for being discriminated against by supermarket staff for not wearing a mask.

 

Psy-op is the term I believe they use on here.

Edited January 2, 2022 by Longtermlurker

[k_j_evans]

On 12/19/2021 at 9:13 PM, Martin1234 said:

I played about with a lateral flow test today.

 

You don't even need to put the thing anywhere near your nose. Just go online to register test result, scan the QR code and it'll ask you if it was positive or negative. Select negative and you get a text message confirming.

 

According to the government website, you can then show this text to gain entry to any event where a covid passport is required.

 

So the system is full of holes. I didn't even unpack the test, nevermind sticking it in my nose and I've got a valid text for the next 48 hours.

 

You can self certify a covid pass exemption until Christmas Eve, but assuming this doesn't change, there seems to be a loophole.

Sshhhh ... they might not know! But I was trying to see if you could engineer a negative test (as you can a positive) in case in the future you need to send a photo

[Martin1234]

33 minutes ago, k_j_evans said:

Sshhhh ... they might not know! But I was trying to see if you could engineer a negative test (as you can a positive) in case in the future you need to send a photo

How did you get on?

 

Maybe just use the liquid for the test on it's own, or a bit of water.

 

I read the acidity from Coke or fruits is what gives the positive, so maybe you can swab milk for a negative result without taking the test as this is alkaline. I would be interested to know.

 

Maybe if they do ask for a photo, you could just use a pen for the lines

Edited January 2, 2022 by Martin1234

[Saved]

6 hours ago, Martin1234 said:

How did you get on?

 

Maybe just use the liquid for the test on it's own, or a bit of water.

 

I read the acidity from Coke or fruits is what gives the positive, so maybe you can swab milk for a negative result without taking the test as this is alkaline. I would be interested to know.

 

Maybe if they do ask for a photo, you could just use a pen for the lines

It is the absence of a second line that we are looking for when gaining entrance where a negative test result is needed. School kids looking to get more time off from school were doing all they could to get that second line, including drawing a red line.

 

So they ARE aware that both positive and negative results can be obtained through manipulation by the public.

 

Both lateral flow and PCR tests are a lottery, regardless. If the powers want to tighten the noose for a period then they will do so using deception (casedemic) and if they want to relax the noose for a period they will still use deception. There seemed to be a period of time a few months ago when the majority of lateral flow tests were pre-loaded to avoid any manipulation that would show a positive test. We grabbed a crapload of tests from one of the local supermarkets and could not cause any of them to show a positive.

 

KJ Evans is correct with the assertion that it's a load of bollocks.

[CosmoGenesis]

I had a box of these bloody tests pushed through my door last week.

 

Then the next I'm hearing reports that theres a shortage of them in the media......well stop pushing them through my fucking door then. 

 

Honestly the tests look suss as fuck, you want me to dip that cotton bud in that mysterious fluid and stick it straight up my fucking nose tickling my brain?

 

Yeah right....

 

[Grumpy Owl]

4 minutes ago, CosmoGenesis said:

Then the next I'm hearing reports that theres a shortage of them in the media......well stop pushing them through my fucking door then. 

 

The best way to create an 'artificial demand' is to claim that there is a 'shortage'.

 

 

[CosmoGenesis]

Yeah true, jus' sayin' what they say in the media and what is actually happening in reality, are diametrically opposed.