Ch. Miller Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, - TZC - said: Why might it be, that despite much heated opinion here, the current forum is going to disappear soon. Money? Time? Interest.. I would say that this Ickebook thing has its place. It's not a bad thing in itself even if I personally hate the idea and refuse to make do with it.. What IS a bad thing, is diluting and convoluting the forum aspect, blocking non members from even seeing what's in it, AND getting rid of the one already here. Oh, not to mention misplacing the whole backup, twice I know I don't contribute that much here but I've been around over 15 years, I learned a lot from DIF, and as has been said by others the conversation helped me feel less alone sometimes. . I'll miss it. Thanks to everyone who ever put time in to share information, to run things in the background - and tried to keep something going here and now. I hope to find a few of you again either on www.whatthetruth.uk, crows, grumpys or wherever else. Just registered on crowhouse - seems to be the best alternative (Have you guys tried mewe.com? Have been present there for a while but most of the time seemed very inactive.) Edited July 13, 2020 by Ch. Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR-E Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Basket Case said: lt's been put back another 48hrs. lt's only been, what....7 weeks now ? could a consortium/commitee of trusted members not formulate some sort of compromise plan with the admin by way of skype zoom etc were by the mods take on more responsibility of the on going daily running of the forum which from wht ive concluded is has been the norm.I cant see how going underground to dark web is the solution as basket case rightly points out .It would be a backward step in my opinion.The forum members who commit so much time & effort to the cause whom i look at as the " hunter gathers of info & truth"(please note i dont mean this in any way offensive or insulting to anyone) But without their time & effort in finding & posting here where would we be . None of us knows just how much awareness or understanding the posts bring to anyone just curious or attempting to try & make sense of things who dip a toe in ..... Its more awareness of whats being talked about here that is what is needed especially now . Do not let the evil that appears now to control almost all aspects of our lives control how we should communicate online aswell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, MR-E said: could a consortium/commitee of trusted members not formulate some sort of compromise plan with the admin by way of skype zoom etc were by the mods take on more responsibility of the on going daily running of the forum which from wht ive concluded is has been the norm.I cant see how going underground to dark web is the solution as basket case rightly points out .It would be a backward step in my opinion.The forum members who commit so much time & effort to the cause whom i look at as the " hunter gathers of info & truth"(please note i dont mean this in any way offensive or insulting to anyone) But without their time & effort in finding & posting here where would we be . None of us knows just how much awareness or understanding the posts bring to anyone just curious or attempting to try & make sense of things who dip a toe in ..... Its more awareness of whats being talked about here that is what is needed especially now . Do not let the evil that appears now to control almost all aspects of our lives control how we should communicate online aswell. Admin do not / will not communicate properly with trusted members. They have their plan They're sticking to it. End of..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) Why not keep this forum, take David Icke's name off it, get a custom domain for it..... and we'll all just carry on here with Ink in charge presumably, while the Ickes can do what they like..... Something similar happened to the old Harris forum which Icke got pissed off with and removed all association, so it became known as The Forum and we still all had a pretty good time for another couple of years. I don't blame them for taking the approach they have, it's clear they want to hide the forum and its conversations behind a membership wall...... Times have changed and the internet is changing and not for the better..... this is less the fault of the Ickes and more a symptom of the curtailment of free speech which is ramping up into overdrive.... Edited July 13, 2020 by Truthspoon 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Truthspoon said: Why not keep this forum, take David Icke's name off it, get a custom domain for it..... and we'll all just carry on here with Ink in charge presumably, while the Ickes can do what they like..... Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gone Fishing... Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Truthspoon said: I don't blame them for taking the approach they have, it's clear they want to hide the forum and its conversations behind a membership wall...... Times have changed and the internet is changing and not for the better..... this is less the fault of the Icke''s and more a symptom of the curtailment of free speech which is ramping up into overdrive.... Then it needs explaining and discussing.. That would be the honest, open and respectful way of going about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartSpirit Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 While I don’t think the new social media type forum is for me, I would like to take a look, but as no Sign In with Apple available (throwaway email), I won’t be trying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR-E Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 I dont get it! For twenty plus years David has fought against the tide being mocked & ridiculed as a lone voice of reason initially to now someone who people take notice of & believe in & respect. Honest normal people now understanding & realising this confirm & promote his voice by way of assisting in his message by way of contributing forum evidence & debate with great success .Raising more & more awareness to the cause which surely is the most important crucial objective here because without that major shift of awareness spreading & soon we are being transported to a destination not of our choosing...(i dont mean a new forum)...Admin I believe your forum contributors play & have played a crucial part in raising awareness to your message for years please consider their views going forward they are all on the same side with the same main objectives. you desire along with freedom to decide our own destiny.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Truthspoon said: Why not keep this forum, take David Icke's name off it, get a custom domain for it..... and we'll all just carry on here with Ink in charge presumably, while the Ickes can do what they like..... Something similar happened to the old Harris forum which Icke got pissed off with and removed all association, so it became known as The Forum and we still all had a pretty good time for another couple of years. I don't blame them for taking the approach they have, it's clear they want to hide the forum and its conversations behind a membership wall...... Times have changed and the internet is changing and not for the better..... this is less the fault of the Ickes and more a symptom of the curtailment of free speech which is ramping up into overdrive.... Just call it the David icke fan forum. People searching for David will still find it (probably easier if it's not as closely linked) we can carry on and David doesn't get any of the heat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kj35 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, MR-E said: I dont get it! For twenty plus years David has fought against the tide being mocked & ridiculed as a lone voice of reason initially to now someone who people take notice of & believe in & respect. Honest normal people now understanding & realising this confirm & promote his voice by way of assisting in his message by way of contributing forum evidence & debate with great success .Raising more & more awareness to the cause which surely is the most important crucial objective here because without that major shift of awareness spreading & soon we are being transported to a destination not of our choosing...(i dont mean a new forum)...Admin I believe your forum contributors play & have played a crucial part in raising awareness to your message for years please consider their views going forward they are all on the same side with the same main objectives. you desire along with freedom to decide our own destiny.. Libel and defamation laws have gotten too hot I think. David absolutely can be held to account for what we say if it's his forum. If we want anything like free speech discussion we must disassociate from him to protect him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby Noboddy Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 3 hours ago, - TZC - said: Why might it be, that despite much heated opinion here, the current forum is going to disappear soon. Money? Time? Interest.. I would say that this Ickebook thing has its place. It's not a bad thing in itself even if I personally hate the idea and refuse to make do with it.. What IS a bad thing, is diluting and convoluting the forum aspect, blocking non members from even seeing what's in it, AND getting rid of the one already here. Oh, not to mention misplacing the whole backup, twice I know I don't contribute that much here but I've been around over 15 years, I learned a lot from DIF, and as has been said by others the conversation helped me feel less alone sometimes. . I'll miss it. Thanks to everyone who ever put time in to share information, to run things in the background - and tried to keep something going here and now. I hope to find a few of you again either on www.whatthetruth.uk, crows, grumpys or wherever else. Great. Got home from first days work since fuck-down. Watered green house, couple of smokes, prepared din dins and you're all still here! Please, we need to keep this (increasingly attractive) forum until the new one is acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR-E Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 58 minutes ago, kj35 said: Libel and defamation laws have gotten too hot I think. David absolutely can be held to account for what we say if it's his forum. If we want anything like free speech discussion we must disassociate from him to protect him. I get what ur saying but surely their comes a time to make a stand for what you I We believe otherwise what is the point we might as well roll over. What happened to standing up for truth when do you say enough is enough why do we play by their rules because they make change them to fit their agenda. ONLY IF WE ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN thats what we are told. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) it would be a good idea to rename the forum...I mean if David Icke does not want to have his name on it. Edited July 13, 2020 by Moonlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluke Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) You could be right kj I suspect it's probably something to do with the legalities as well but I still think they just can't be arsed. I am conscious I may sound like a entitled millenial, but I think if they were just honest, yes there probably would have been some backlash but it would be understandable. Gareth has come across as dismissive in the past but one gives people the benefit to of the doubt as we all have lives outside of the internet. And I am sure Gareth has more important things, YES more important (I take it his a father and works.) Fair enough but 2 or 3 members have asked to build it and take over and take responsibility, with what looks like a majority backing. The people that I see usually regular faces, Muir included, that dig through this shit that users like would not have the capacity, or the patience, or the will to do. Especially considering the nature of this mess. I am sure it gets even David down at times. But one also has to consider we don't know what is going on people's lives. We don't know if they've had a bereavement or something bad has happened. I expect not but we also need to consider these things. But the behaviour from where I am seeing it is coming across as pretty passive aggressive at worst, or just damn right disrespectful. This in the middle of a phychological warfare on us all. Almost daily. And some of us don't deal with that as well as others. Snowflakery on my part? Perhaps. But we've never seen anything like this and even the older generations who have been through war must be thinking wtf deep down. He could at least give his admins the respect of a dialogue. It is titled somewhere on here "new forum" but seems anything but. "New social media". Anyways that's my view I won't be posting further. I take it now it's dead in the water but I hope I am wrong. If he can't be arsed and doesn't seem to care then neither do I. Edited July 13, 2020 by Fluke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocomel Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, kj35 said: Just call it the David icke fan forum. People searching for David will still find it (probably easier if it's not as closely linked) we can carry on and David doesn't get any of the heat. 2 hours ago, kj35 said: Libel and defamation laws have gotten too hot I think. David absolutely can be held to account for what we say if it's his forum. If we want anything like free speech discussion we must disassociate from him to protect him. Run out of likes. Edited July 13, 2020 by chocomel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR-E Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 Could someone please clarify what the positives/ negatives are for the new forum as it now appears to be! as i dont fully understand all implications will forum access still be possible & linked from di .com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, MR-E said: Could someone please clarify what the positives/ negatives are for the new forum as it now appears to be! as i dont fully understand all implications will forum access still be possible & linked from di .com there are some parts of the new forum which can't be moderated ie trolls can do and will do (if you ask me) what evere they want..... posting in genere is wierd,can't quote someone just reply.... that was last time i logged in,what will chaneg i don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxyfunk Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Hmm done by design, all of it. Over the years, way before Gareth was involved, there's been different, dodgy, goings on... No point tweeting or trying to get in touch with David. He's never shown any interest or got involved on any of the forums. I don't want this account going over to the 'new normal social media' site. If that does happen, please delete this account. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmar Gross Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I only go on this website and the Forum in the evenings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR-E Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, MR-E said: Could someone please clarify what the positives/ negatives are for the new forum as it now appears to be! as i dont fully understand all implications will forum access still be possible & linked from di .com 17 minutes ago, screamingeagle said: there are some parts of the new forum which can't be moderated ie trolls can do and will do (if you ask me) what evere they want..... posting in genere is wierd,can't quote someone just reply.... that was last time i logged in,what will chaneg i don't know Do you see any positives also is forum access from di Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kala Namak Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I suspect that the main reasoning behind the change is the idea that forums are "old hat" and that "social media" is the way to go, especially for the younger demographic. It may be that advice was taken from webmasters/designers who have little or no interest in proper forums and would therefore have steered the project away from a solid forum base to a facetwit hybrid with bolted on limited forum features. As was pointed out above, Gareth is most likely trying to juggle umpteen balls in the air and also keep several plates spinning and can't be expected to be able to oversee all of those things properly, and therefore would have to listen to what "experts" have to say and go with their recommendations. Kudos to him for his efforts and I'm not going to spend time being overly critical of him because I'm sure he's a good egg and he's trying his best in challenging circumstances. However I am very disappointed at how this has turned out. I have been on facebook groups trying to imitate forums and it's just not the same. Facebook, twitter and Discord chat have their own strengths but are are poor substitutes for a proper forum with threaded long form conversation, which is my preferred method of communicating on the interwebs. ...and for that reason, if it really is a twitface hodge podge dogs breakfast...I'll probably be out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 so can you lurk on the new forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, MR-E said: Do you see any positives also is forum access from di i don't know,all i know is, i will give it a shot it can be all bad,or it can don't know the second one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
- TZC - Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jack said: so can you lurk on the new forum? No. Not as it stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR-E Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kala Namak said: I suspect that the main reasoning behind the change is the idea that forums are "old hat" and that "social media" is the way to go, especially for the younger demographic. It may be that advice was taken from webmasters/designers who have little or no interest in proper forums and would therefore have steered the project away from a solid forum base to a facetwit hybrid with bolted on limited forum features. As was pointed out above, Gareth is most likely trying to juggle umpteen balls in the air and also keep several plates spinning and can't be expected to be able to oversee all of those things properly, and therefore would have to listen to what "experts" have to say and go with their recommendations. Kudos to him for his efforts and I'm not going to spend time being overly critical of him because I'm sure he's a good egg and he's trying his best in challenging circumstances. However I am very disappointed at how this has turned out. I have been on facebook groups trying to imitate forums and it's just not the same. Facebook, twitter and Discord chat have their own strengths but are are poor substitutes for a proper forum with threaded long form conversation, which is my preferred method of communicating on the interwebs. ...and for that reason, if it really is a twitface hodge podge dogs breakfast...I'll probably be out. would you say the forum format as is currently in use better . old hat or maybe has proven its self for many years to have offered sound logical opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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