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For me the trinity are:


the simulacra, shown as the physical form and its scripted natural wants, needs and actions.

the awareness ....... which is 'you' and the potentiality you may become ....... if 'you' are ever truly 'born'?

the 'parasite' .... which infests this realm and the physical form and wishes 'you' to fall ....... thus 'you' never being 'born'!

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Trinity means ultimately the "Law of Three", which is the law of creation.

This law applies to all levels of the universe from the very largest and most abstract to the tiniest.

It is something like this : mountain + climbing => the ascent.

Or : I have a task + I did it => I get the result

Or : man + woman => creation

Or : yin + yang => yuan
Or : problem + solution => rectification

Or : challenge + will => overcoming

Or : denying + affirming => reconciliation


This is so fundamental that it is almost unseen ... it is the way the universe rewards for work.

When you work then you get a reward.  This is the fundamental functioning law and rule of the universe, of the entire show.  It is so fundamental to everything it is almost hard to comprehend.


In Christianity, the Father Son and Holy Ghost ... is a collection of 3 important spiritual elements but is not really an application of the Law of Three .. in the Case of Christianity it is more or less means, 3 fundamental things in our tradition.

The Father means the discovery of that which is higher than us, or Consciousness that extends around us.

The Son means the discovery (based on the Father) that me is a microcosm of that vast macrocosm ... or now that I feel something higher than me ... I can feel my real self inside.

The Holy Ghost is the subtle internal means for connecting the Father to the Son.



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Three: Demeter, Persephone, Hecate 


Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva


Janus has two faces but it is said that there is a third hidden between. 

From the book Signs and Symbols


The number 3 (the ternary) shares the significance of the three sided triangle.  It is a self-contained entirety that represents all aspects of creation, therefore constituting a symbol of sacred trinities such as those of Christianity and Hinduism.  It has cosmic significance as the Taoist triad of man, the earth, and sky, and in most cultures also represents the underworld, earth and heavens, birth, life, and death, the past present and future, or the mind, body and spirit.  
Three is the basic masculine number but, because it combines and reconciles the numbers one (representing divinity) and two (duality) it can also symbolize the soul.  In traditional Chinese belief, the number three (san) is linked with childbirth, and its numeral associated with endings.  
To the Kabbalists, the third sephira of the Tree of Life, Binah (Understanding), signified vitality and intelligence. 


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The Maiden represents enchantment, inception, expansion, the promise of new beginnings, birth, youth and youthful enthusiasm, represented by the waxing moon;

The Mother represents ripeness, fertility, sexuality, fulfilment, stability, power and life represented by the full moon;

The Crone represents wisdom, repose, death, and endings represented by the waning moon.

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At the Full Moon, the Maiden becomes the Mother, giving birth to all of the abundance on Earth. She is associated with midday, and her season is Summer, the most lush time of year, with forests and fields flourishing and young animals growing into maturity. In the human realm, she is associated with nurturing, responsibility, adulthood and the fullness of life.

As the giver of life, she is the aspect most associated with manifestation. In fact, the Mother is considered by many Wiccans to be the most powerful of the Goddess’ three aspects, and it was a “Mother Goddess” archetype that inspired Gerald Gardner’s vision of the divine feminine. Goddesses who represent the Mother at many Wiccan altars include the Greek Demeter and Selene, the Roman Ceres, and the Celtic Danu and Badb.

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Practice Instructions vs Conceptual Description

Something that i have learnt is like this ... it is often said to imagine "I am God" or "I am non-dual" or "I am That" ... and things like that.

What should be noted is that these are practice instructions i.e. Sitting quietly for 1 hour you do this practice, and evolve yourself, you identify with God meaning you feel "God" inside and are one with that feeling.  Over time this changes you so that you feel "God" always and without interruption, it becomes an innate part of you.  This is a traditional kind of practice in the East.  But it is a practice instructions, or a practical technique.

It is not a  description of reality.

Note the difference.

The mechanism of identifying yourself with God/Consciousness/TheUniverse/BigMind (or however it is described) raises your consciousness and creates a permanent connection that never leaves you.

Frequently people who cannot be bothered to do any practices and are not interested in spirituality, make bold claims about themselves based on stealing these statements and twisting them.



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... and continuing the last post, those who are focussed on finding the truth of some conspiracy are not working on the practical aspects of self-actualization and self-realization.

They mistake information and data for change of your being.

And there is a very big difference.

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4 hours ago, rideforever said:


This statement doesn't mean much to me.  Can you explain what you mean and how it affects us?

Well in religious terms you tend to have a God and Goddess who represent specific qualities and a child that is the combination of those qualities. You correctly combine fire (m) and water (f) and you get air (steam). This principle exists in yoga as the 3 gunas, in alchemcy as salt, sulphur and mercury, in kabbalah as the 3 mother letters (Aleph, Mem and Shin), ad infinitum

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Tertullian and Cyprian were both from Carthage, the great city of the Phoenicians. Tertullian was a great proponent of the Trinity, a concept taken straight from the Zohar. Cyprian, like Augustine of Hippo received a pagan education and later apparently converted to Christianity. Augustine introduced the concepts of Original Sin and Just War. Augustine too was born in Phoenician North Africa. Aren’t we starting to notice a preponderance of North African influence in the creation of the early church? Also the theme of educated and enthusiastic pagans ‘converting’ to Christianity and apparently bringing all of their pagan baggage with them when formulating the new religion they called Christianity but which had very little to do with the words of acts of Jesus. The majority of the Church Fathers in fact came from distinguished and wealthy families, and more often than not, these people often spent a youth completely contrary to Christian value, engaging in homosexuality and libidinous sexual affairs. Again and again one notices the theme of apparent ‘sudden conversion’ at around the age of 30 to Christianity. In fact in the example of Augustine of Hippo it is believed that he abandoned Manichaeism because he could not rise to a position of power within its hierarchy.


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As to the Trinity as taught in Christendom, it does appear to be a biblical doctrine the more one examines the Scriptures as an unbiased reader and using an exegetical approach. Nevertheless, I don't think the triune nature of the Godhead is meant to be entirely comprehended by the puny minds of men and as such I regard the Trinity doctrine to be not so much nonsensical as understandably incomprehensible -- as God no doubt would be outside of a quadrate belief system.


Certainly, the ancient Egyptians had their own seemingly triadic proto-variations of the Holy Trinity -- as depicted by the Horus-Isis-Osiris love triangle, as did the ancient Babylonians as well, with their tales of Nimrod, Tammuz, etc, but do these pagan parallels necessarily disprove what may be the original source and genuine article?


In chapter 5 of The Biggest Secret, David Icke takes to dismissing the Trinity doctrine on the grounds of its supposed pagan origins, and on the surface it does appear to be so, albeit one must be careful not to confuse the monotheistic rendering of the Trinity with tritheism (three gods in one), as Muslims do.


The Athanasian Creed makes it clear how one is to perceive the triadic Godhead, a concept first officially formulated at the earlier Council of Constantinople; this creed in direct opposition to the heresy of Arianism, of which the JW sect fall among, denying as they do the fully divine nature of Christ; this, despite biblical passages plainly alluding to the absolute deity of JC (John 1:1 -- save the NWT; Revelation 22:13).


Interestingly, the Trinity is not taught in Judaism, despite the use of plural pronouns in verses such as Genesis 1:27, in reference to Elohim, and in the account of the Tower of Babel, found at Genesis 11:7...not unless the speaker here in these texts is communicating by way of the 'royal we,' of which I do not think is the case. (Incidentally, when at Deuteronomy 6:4 the LORD speaks of his being the one and only God, it is to be noted that an external distinction is being made, in denunciation of polytheism and in line with exclusive devotion, and is not meant to imply a one-person deity.)


Just as a man can himself be both a father and a son at the same time -- different persons to different people -- and yet still remain a singular being, so it is with the apparent oneness of the triadic Godhead.


As it is, according to biblical scholars, first- and second-century Christians, such as the Church Fathers (Origen, Iranaeus, et al) understood Trinitarianism to be scriptural orthodoxy, and this quite some time before the Council of Nicaea came along and began to officially solidify the doctrine of the Trinity, or 'Tri-unity' as others have dubbed it.


Indeed, if denying the personhood of the Holy Spirit (in describing this Ghost as God's impersonal 'active force') amounts to the unforgivable sin, and if denying the divinity of Jesus amounts to rejecting Christ, then as many mainline Bible-believers teach there will be some self-professing believers bound to be in for quite the surprise upon their crossing over to the other side.


Still, if generally fine human souls like the JWs are destined for Hell simply for their being nontrinitarians, then the question remains: Is the Christian God worthy of one's love and worship?

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