US ELECTION 2020: Trump vs Biden

[Johndavid]

8 hours ago, Firebird said:

I hope Trump wins but it will be hard because too many people buy the Democrat-supported narrative on Covid, and it's been shown beyond doubt that Google and other big tech strongly favour the Left side on EVERY topic!! That should tell everyone enough.

 

You cannot surely be that naive. 

 

Your analysis is so simplistic. So childish.  Quite sad, in fact. 

[Firebird]

The flaw I see in Orange Alert's post is that he presents his own point of view as some synthesis (both left and right wrong/controlled, with his cynicism being the solution to the argument). Believe it or not, some people do believe in freedom of religion, freedom of press, stand up for small businesses, are against mandatory masks, etc. And yeah, they're the sensible republicans and libertarians out there, but they too have to work along and with right wingers that are basically centrists and flirting with the Left. 

[Firebird]

Just now, Johndavid said:

 

You cannot surely be that naive. 

 

Your analysis is so simplistic. So childish.  Quite sad, in fact. 

 

Or maybe you just have left wing leanings and don't like what I said.

[Johndavid]

On 7/2/2020 at 8:37 PM, Grumpy Owl said:

I really don't think it matters whether Trump or Biden wins, the 'agenda' will push on regardless.

 

What will be interesting to look for is who Biden chooses as his 'running mate', ie who would become deputy president if he wins. Same goes for Trump.

 

The 'next president' will end up being someone 'unelected' - ie Trump or Biden would be 'disposed' of in order for 'them' to get their 'chosen one' in place, someone who wouldn't normally stand a chance of winning any 'popular vote'.

 

Its all a sham. The way things are heading at the moment, what with 'Covid-19' and the 'BLM' frenzy, its probably not looking good for Trump, so this could all be being engineered to give Biden an unlikely victory.

 

The likelihood is that regardless of whoever 'wins' this election, the levels of division and unrest in the USA are just going to end up being stoked even higher. And I think its all being done deliberately, this is after all exactly what "they" want, people arguing and fighting each other.

 

 

 

Exactly. 

 

It is so sad, especially on a forum like this to see that so many posters still can’t still through the illusion of Democrats and Republicans, Biden and trump. 

 

I mean , as I’ve said already if you can’t see the fact that trump is a complete conman and stooge like Biden, what hope have you with the deeper conspiracies. 

[Johndavid]

2 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

Or maybe you just have left wing leanings and don't like what I said.

 

You guys must be russian trolls because, let’s be frank ....you would h ave to be pretty much totally brainwashed not to see through the stooge trump and his fellow stooge Biden. 

 

Which is it, mate.... are you a russian troll or just quite slow.....

 

remind me again: who used to finance the clintons in New York? Who was one of the biggest contributors to them. 

 

When you answer that....

[Firebird]

7 minutes ago, Johndavid said:

 

You guys must be russian trolls because, let’s be frank ....you would h ave to be pretty much totally brainwashed not to see through the stooge trump and his fellow stooge Biden. 

 

Which is it, mate.... are you a russian troll or just quite slow.....

 

remind me again: who used to finance the clintons in New York? Who was one of the biggest contributors to them. 

 

When you answer that....

 

Resorting to ''Russian conspiracies'' is a sure sign that you are influenced by left wing media.

 

I know Trump's ties with the Clintons. They were pals. Look, you're gonna look that way at every individual? Go through their history and say ''they said this a decade ago'' or ''they did that 20 years ago''. That's the tactic of left wing activists like those at The Guardian and NY Times that look through people's Twitter accounts for anything that isn't woke. You're using similar logic.

 

You think Trump couldn't have changed his views? YOu think people must always say and believe the same throughout their lives?

 

I'm not a Trump fan by the way, but I hope he wins. It's far better than a Biden win. Biden is sure to sell the Western World to China.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Firebird

[Orange Alert]

41 minutes ago, RE:fresh said:

No they wont. That's the lie people tell themselves who want to by cynical of the system yet detached and vague. The media/Rinos/libs.. All on the same side. A* few* reps/(libertarian) only want what's best for others. Sorry but liberals do not want anything good ever...

But they lie ...and people eat that shit up! 

 

I know plenty of decent people who are on both sides of the political spectrum, left and right and they have all been conned either by Obama, Bill Clinton, George Bush or Trump and they defend their side in the same way. They are mirror images. The MSM takes its instructions and supports the Establishment and plays the people with the old game of good cop, bad cop to divide and rule.  The direction of society goes in the same direction with either pre-selected puppet president.  The USA a country of 330 million and yet one gets a choice of just two political candidates. 

[Johndavid]

1 hour ago, Firebird said:

 

Resorting to ''Russian conspiracies'' is a sure sign that you are influenced by left wing media.

 

I know Trump's ties with the Clintons. They were pals. Look, you're gonna look that way at every individual? Go through their history and say ''they said this a decade ago'' or ''they did that 20 years ago''. That's the tactic of left wing activists like those at The Guardian and NY Times that look through people's Twitter accounts for anything that isn't woke. You're using similar logic.

 

You think Trump couldn't have changed his views? YOu think people must always say and believe the same throughout their lives?

 

I'm not a Trump fan by the way, but I hope he wins. It's far better than a Biden win. Biden is sure to sell the Western World to China.

 

 

Come on, mate  

 

If, at this stage you can’t see that both trump and Biden are stooges, there really is no hope for you. 

 

Your last comment is hilarious: Biden will sell the west to China! 

 

What a joke. Biden will do whatever his masters ask of him just as trump will do exactly what his masters ask of him. 

 

But, god bless your innocence. Trump has really pulled the wool off your eyes ....so give him credit for that.

 

but then a sex-mad,  corrupt trump who can actually convince the crazy Christian evangelists that he is actually ONE of them.....just shows what a great conman trump really is. He’s definitely No. 1.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Johndavid

[bamboozooka]

i see TDS is alive and well as it was pre hack

 

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by bamboozooka

[Firebird]

12 hours ago, Johndavid said:

 

 

Come on, mate  

 

If, at this stage you can’t see that both trump and Biden are stooges, there really is no hope for you. 

 

Your last comment is hilarious: Biden will sell the west to China! 

 

What a joke. Biden will do whatever his masters ask of him just as trump will do exactly what his masters ask of him. 

 

But, god bless your innocence. Trump has really pulled the wool off your eyes ....so give him credit for that.

 

but then a sex-mad,  corrupt trump who can actually convince the crazy Christian evangelists that he is actually ONE of them.....just shows what a great conman trump really is. He’s definitely No. 1.

 

That's your Ickean logic there, that all sides and every single person that holds some power is automatically a ''stooge''. That's quite irrational and a deeply cynical view on the world. Best never hold any responsibility in any place because then you're a suspect too! 

 

As I said, I don't believe Trump is perfect or any ''saviour'' figure. But he is better than Biden and represents views more closely to my own, be that on immigration, jobs, cultural issues, free speech, or China. He doesn't have to be perfect and I don't expect him to be. Nor is any other human. Are you a perfect human with perfect knowledge? 

 

If you just consider everyone that doesn't believe what you believe automatically ''innocent'' and inferring they are somehow brainwashed then there's no hope for any dialogue here. If everything is that black and white to you then what is left to discuss? 

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Firebird

[Johndavid]

28 minutes ago, Firebird said:

 

That's your Ickean logic there, that all sides and every single person that holds some power is automatically a ''stooge''. That's quite irrational and a deeply cynical view on the world. Best never hold any responsibility in any place because then you're a suspect too! 

 

As I said, I don't believe Trump is perfect or any ''saviour'' figure. But he is better than Biden and represents views more closely to my own, be that on immigration, jobs, cultural issues, free speech, or China. He doesn't have to be perfect and I don't expect him to be. Nor is any other human. Are you a perfect human with perfect knowledge? 

 

If you just consider everyone that doesn't believe what you believe automatically ''innocent'' and inferring they are somehow brainwashed then there's no hope for any dialogue here. If everything is that black and white to you then what is left to discuss? 

 

 

 

 

You russian trolls never give up, do you ? 

 

Why did your boss Putin and his mates bail out trump the last time he was bankrupt? 

 

Why did they buy his properties, in the middle of CRASH and pay ridiculous sums for them?

 

Wink. Wink!! 

 

Why has trump gone to the high court to prevent anybody seeing his tax returns? They re all linked. 

[bamboozooka]

welcome to the forum adam schiff 

[Orange Alert]

16 hours ago, Firebird said:

I'm not a Trump fan by the way, but I hope he wins. It's far better than a Biden win. Biden is sure to sell the Western World to China.

Republican President, Boy George Bush sold out the USA and the West, nearly 20 years ago, by granting China membership of the  World Trade Organisation.

 

[Firebird]

9 hours ago, Johndavid said:

 

You russian trolls never give up, do you ? 

 

Why did your boss Putin and his mates bail out trump the last time he was bankrupt? 

 

Why did they buy his properties, in the middle of CRASH and pay ridiculous sums for them?

 

Wink. Wink!! 

 

Why has trump gone to the high court to prevent anybody seeing his tax returns? They re all linked. 

 

Trump has real estate outside of the US, surprise surprise. This is well known...

You're not talking to a Trump fan here, just someone that prefers Trump's view on a number of things over Biden's.

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Firebird

[Firebird]

7 hours ago, Orange Alert said:

Republican President, Boy George Bush sold out the USA and the West, nearly 20 years ago, by granting China membership of the  World Trade Organisation.

 

 

Aye, no argument there. Bush was a globalist.

[Orange Alert]

1 hour ago, Firebird said:

Aye, no argument there. Bush was a globalist.

 

Yeah, the anti-globalist Trump, the globalist profitering business man with all the globalist business connections.

 

The right voted for Bush in 2000 and re-elected him in 2004 and they loved him and still do, even though he had sold them out to China and took them into an illegal war on a fabricated lie of Iraq having weapons of mass destruction.  Now they have voted for Trump and are getting shafted once again by the same global elite who selected and controlled Boy Bush, Obama, and now Trump. How come Trump is not having George Bush locked up for war crimes, a million plus dead, and selling the country out to Commie China?  With friends like George Bush and the Republican party who needs enemies like the Democrats or China!    Now the so-called anti-globalist Trump is supporting and paying, with US tax dollars, the Global Alliance for Vaccination and Immunization, a globalist elite operation and agenda.  Now US citizens are going to have a dobious vaccine injected into them by the globalist elite, courtsey of the U.S. Military.

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Orange Alert

[Johndavid]

1 hour ago, Firebird said:

 

Trump has real estate outside of the US, surprise surprise. This is well known...

You're not talking to a Trump fan here, just someone that prefers Trump's view on a number of things over Biden's.

 

 

 

No ,mate these were mainly  properties in the USA.

 

but you evaded  the point.

 

 Why did  Putin’s business associates  pay ridiculous sums to buy trumps properties, in the middle of CRASH, when he was bankruptcy. In some cases,  100% over its bankrupt value. Any ideas?

 

 

[Firebird]

Honestly, I don't have to explain myself to either of you. You treat me as if I'm some Trump fanatic. It feels more like an interrogation talking to you lot. I don't disagree that he is a questionable figure as well. Still, I prefer Trump over Biden and clearly I have a worldview that allows for shades of grey. You two clearly don't, you are cynical and think every politician is the same and probably you two haven't voted in over a decade if not longer. That's the Icke ''logic'', and good luck with that worldview where everyone that disagrees with you is automatically part of a sinister plot. I look at things a little different than a little kid that views everything as either good or bad.

Edited July 31, 2020 by Firebird

[bamboozooka]

4 hours ago, Firebird said:

Honestly, I don't have to explain myself to either of you. You treat me as if I'm some Trump fanatic. It feels more like an interrogation talking to you lot. I don't disagree that he is a questionable figure as well. Still, I prefer Trump over Biden and clearly I have a worldview that allows for shades of grey. You two clearly don't, you are cynical and think every politician is the same and probably you two haven't voted in over a decade if not longer. That's the Icke ''logic'', and good luck with that worldview where everyone that disagrees with you is automatically part of a sinister plot. I look at things a little different than a little kid that views everything as either good or bad.

once a never trumper mentions trump and russia in the same sentence they lose all credibility.

don't waste your energy on a never trumper. they are the true cult members.

they project onto others what they really are.

 

[Johndavid]

1 hour ago, bamboozooka said:

once a never trumper mentions trump and russia in the same sentence they lose all credibility.

don't waste your energy on a never trumper. they are the true cult members.

they project onto others what they really are.

 

 

 

 

it all comes back to this ridiculous illusion that some ‘truthers’ have that somehow trump is not an integral part of the Elite - that he is ‘fighting’ the Elite.

 

When he was born and bred among them. 

 

The truth is stark: No one becomes president of the Elite’s controlled  USA unless they ‘allow’ it. 

 

and the most obvious question is: how did a bankrupt Donald trump become fully financed when not a single bank in us or Europe would loan to him after the crash. And why did all these mysterious Russian business men all linked to Putin pay ridiculous sums of money to buy his bankrupt properties. 

 

And bty, it was all legal.

 

There is nothing illegal about paying someone ridiculous sums of money for property that is worth very little ...( value in the eye of the beholder) .but surely it must make you think. Surely it must raise alarm bells.

 

Did you never ever find that strange? 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by Johndavid

[Johndavid]

6 hours ago, Firebird said:

Honestly, I don't have to explain myself to either of you. You treat me as if I'm some Trump fanatic. It feels more like an interrogation talking to you lot. I don't disagree that he is a questionable figure as well. Still, I prefer Trump over Biden and clearly I have a worldview that allows for shades of grey. You two clearly don't, you are cynical and think every politician is the same and probably you two haven't voted in over a decade if not longer. That's the Icke ''logic'', and good luck with that worldview where everyone that disagrees with you is automatically part of a sinister plot. I look at things a little different than a little kid that views everything as either good or bad.

 

You say you prefer trump over Biden.

 

thats the difference between us: I prefer neither of them....because they are both ultimately on the same side. 

 

You are always falling for  the illusion that they are on different sides. 

 

A great example: bush and Clinton. They pretend they hated it each....they were different ...

 now we know they are the best of buddies...and they always were. 

[oz93666]

Just now, Johndavid said:

it all comes back to this ridiculous illusion that some ‘truthers’ have that somehow trump is not an integral part of the Elite -

 

Quiet amazing  how johndavid can be wrong on Everything ( most people get something right) .... 

 

I've just come from a thread where he says Nigel Farrage is one of the elite  .... so funny .... 

 

He is new to the forum ... another few years and he might wise up , assuming he's not a troll....

[Johndavid]

28 minutes ago, oz93666 said:

 

Quiet amazing  how johndavid can be wrong on Everything ( most people get something right) .... 

 

I've just come from a thread where he says Nigel Farrage is one of the elite  .... so funny .... 

 

He is new to the forum ... another few years and he might wise up , assuming he's not a troll....

 

That’s a great laugh. 

 

You think nigel farage is NOT a pawn of the Elite and city of London!!! 

 

Seriously , can anybody be that naive?? 

 

I have just taken the time to time to read some of your posts and you seem to spend most of your time championing some fake channel called Karl mollisin.

 

seemingly mr millision has recently ‘channeled Jeffery Epstein ....well one does, doesn’t one ....funny how  mr Epstein couldn’t tell him anything ....apart, it seems from how right mr millision is!! 

 

And of course their fake message is always the same. We human are totally fucking powerless.....our only hope is beg and pray for the  ‘good’ ETs to save us!! 

 

How original. 

 

In three weeks time, mr ickes has a new book out, The answer ... have a read of it.....

 

He talks about how, WE, all of us have the power, ONCE WE WAKE UP ....to create the reality we want ....that we are actually, the INFINITE CONSCIOUSNESS in human form - and we don’t need to give our creative power away to some EXTERNAL FORCE - even if they pretend to be ‘good’ ETs. 

 

And when you have some some spare them....read up on mr farage ....and his city of London friends. 

 

Though i I do find your naivety amusing. Are you new to this game?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2020 by Johndavid

[SuperstarNeilC]

 

[Grumpy Owl]

From the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53596705

 

US election 2020: The war hero who could be Biden's running mate

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Who is Tammy Duckworth, the US senator from Illinois who is reportedly on the short list for the vice-presidential slot on the Democratic ticket?

Born in Bangkok and wounded in the Iraq war, Tammy Duckworth has a Purple Heart and the instincts of a street fighter.

Her name has come up frequently during high-level discussions about the vice-presidential slot for the presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden. She has also become a target for Fox News's Tucker Carlson and other conservatives.

When she said recently on CNN that she was open-minded about the prospect of removing US monuments to US founders and slave holders, Mr Carlson questioned her patriotism.

She fired back, saying that Mr Carlson should "walk a mile in my legs and then tell me whether or not I love America".

Her challenge to Mr Carlson attracted national notice and drew people's attention both to her political acumen and to her military background. She was shot down in a helicopter during the Iraq war and lost her legs.

Many Democrats believe that her military record and her tenacity during fights with conservatives, as well as her background as an Asian-American, would strengthen Mr Biden's candidacy. If he chose her as a running mate, say her supporters, she would help to shore up votes among veterans, minorities and women.

 

I've said before, and I'll say it again, watch for the 'running mate' as they will become Vice President, and I'm pretty sure you'll end up with them as President...

 

And here we go with some predictive programming?

 

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The choice of a running mate has added importance for Democrats because of Mr Biden's age and his own assessment of his role.

He is 77, and if he were elected he would be 82 by the end of his term. He sees himself as a "transition candidate", and even his diehard supporters assume that if he were elected he would not seek a second term.

That means that the person who serves as his vice-president could someday become president.

 

Trust me, they WILL become president. An unelected president. A complete Elite stooge and puppet. And at his age, it wouldn't take a lot to 'bump off' Biden.

 

Duckworth's background makes for some interesting reading:

 

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Her father, Frank, a US citizen, worked for the United Nations, and her mother, Lamai, is originally from Thailand.

Ms Duckworth, who speaks Thai, lived with her parents in Singapore, Indonesia and Cambodia because of her father's UN job.

The family was in Cambodia, living in Phnom Penh during a period of violence shortly before the Khmer Rouge took power in the mid-1970s.

 

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Ms Duckworth later enlisted in the military, following in the footsteps of her father, a Vietnam veteran. She once told me that she did not see herself ever running for president.

 

After retiring from the military, Ms Duckworth worked on veterans' issues at the state and national level and was elected to Congress in 2012. She won a senate seat in 2016, becoming the state's junior senator and following in the footsteps of President Barack Obama. Her rise from state politics to national prominence has been fast.

Dick Simpson, the head of the political science department at the University of Illinois at Chicago, says that she has moved up more rapidly than anyone in politics he has seen in half a century. Mr Obama, who also got his start in Illinois politics, rose higher than Ms Duckworth. But as Mr Simpson points out: "It took a little longer."

 

But anyway, it would appear the Democrats are going for the usual 'box-ticking exercise', like the Labour party in the UK do with their 'all-women shortlists'.

 

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Who could be Joe Biden's running mate?

Presidential candidate Joe Biden has pledged he would choose a woman as his running mate. Those on the rumoured shortlist include:

• California Senator Kamala Harris
• Former national security adviser Susan Rice
• Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
• Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth
• Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren
• Wisconsin Senator Tammy Baldwin
• Arizona Senator Kyrsten Sinema

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Yet many believe that Mr Biden should pick a black running mate instead - Senator Kamala Harris is frequently mentioned as a possibility. Besides that, Ms Duckworth's home state is safely Democratic. Other contenders for the Democratic ticket, a group that includes New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, could help Mr Biden in states where he could use a boost.

 

I suppose it would be 'racist' not to.

 

Draw your own conclusions. I think the election will be rigged for Biden to 'win', then in 2021 Biden will be 'taken ill' (perhaps with coronavirus?) paving the way for the 'chosen one' to step up to the role of President.