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On 9/9/2021 at 10:58 PM, DarianF said:

Apparently Trump is running for office again. Let me guess, all the suckers will fall for it a second time.

I can kinda see him getting it, he’s still a perfect asset for Israel, especially if there’s any end time prophecies for them 

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20 hours ago, bamboozooka said:

arizona audit will be the moment usa goes nuclear

Can't see the 'machine' audit ever seeing the light of day. Without that, there is no case to answer. Neither the Democrats or Dominion will allow it to happen. They have the full force of the Deep State behind them, as does the Supreme Court - and Trump knows it, hence him not denying that he'll run in 2024.

 

Again, he'll be up against Dominion. He could get 200m votes and still lose, which begs the question why would he bother except to gatekeep the right?

 

 

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Can't see the 'machine' audit ever seeing the light of day. Without that, there is no case to answer. Neither the Democrats or Dominion will allow it to happen. They have the full force of the Deep State behind them, as does the Supreme Court - and Trump knows it, hence him not denying that he'll run in 2024.

 

Again, he'll be up against Dominion. He could get 200m votes and still lose, which begs the question why would he bother except to gatekeep the right?

 

 

 

I'm a senior software engineer with decades experience including in gaming, gambling, programming point of sale machines with custom Linux distributions and patches to major software such as browsers, compliance, data protection, security, programming, communications, filtering, censorship, business analysis, database administration, system's administration, competitive systems, balance, fairness, design, anti-fraud, auditing, implementation, training, writing tests, writing scientific software, etc.

 

That's not really exhaustive. It sounds impressive but when you work for smallish companies you tend to be expected to build the whole thing almost from the ground up. This includes self service betting machines. This is stuff I've done with my own hands. I often have to be a systems analyst because hate me for it but my experience is going into a business or some enterprise, examining what everyone does, working out how it works as a machine, all the parts, the whole, the objectives, etc and to replace people with code.

 

There's a lot of people that are saying silly things on both sides. What I can say as a qualified expert is that the assertion made by the media that fraud is impossible and that the system is secure is categorically false. It's actually not really auditable. Whatever really happened, your system has a problem and is simply broken in cases like these with such tight margins.

 

The machines aren't really as big a part of that as you might think. It doesn't matter necessarily if you use machines or not. They can offer certain unique vectors but in systems design we have background processes to check things so no matter what the exploit it gets caught. This isn't all that complex. In a shop you keep an inventory, that's just a spreadsheet of items and records of what's bought, sold, routine checks of the balance in the till, the prices, stock levels, etc.

 

So if stock is going missing the right book keeping tends to be very good at detecting anything that can go wrong. Maybe it's shop lifting, maybe it's staff taking things, maybe it's rats sneaking in and eating your grain stores either way, the right system is very good at detecting discrepancies. When you have multiple books to balance and multiple copies it's harder to fiddle the numbers and get away with it as it must be reflected everywhere. Even in those cases there can be blindspots.

 

Usually the intention is to minimise the problem so that you can focus other resources on it or so that it's so small it can't be a big problem. In security design we don't just do prevention. We never deem a system as entirely secure and where possible always have some systems as well like disaster recovery, backups, etc for if the worst does happen despite efforts to prevent it.

 

The US election system isn't one I would consider sufficiently auditable or reliable. A lot of people are being mislead about what an audit can do. If you aren't keeping certain records then you can't fully audit things. This election is a bit of a perfect storm because of the tight margins and rushed changes for COVID-19.

 

An audit might not find anything even if there was fraud but rerunning the election is like repeating an experiment so 2024 or something like that might reveal something unusual. This is one motivation for wanting to mess around, make changes perfect, etc. The one thing about fraud is that it's hard to do it again every time.

 

In an audit I want to see random sampling, properly using mathematics like bimodal distribution to match the detection rate with the threshold (margin of victory), this has to look for fraud both ways not just against Trump otherwise it's biased, to do things like check those people's votes and ballots match what they voted for (detect disappeared or changes Trump ballots, added ballots, etc). Basically you compare to the population each way to detect any possible mutation between the voter and any other stage in the pipeline.

 

The problem with this is that for privacy and things like that there are breaks in the chain and cases where you can't really confirm anything. Someone contacted says they voted. Their ballot is missing. There's a lot of variability between states in how well you can establish the person is telling the truth. I don't believe you get relatively difficult to counterfeit receipts.

 

Part of this problem is because of the set up of the US election system but some of these problems are hard problems as well. It's difficult to make an election system that's large scale that you can reliably trust if there's going to be tight margins and quite often the way these systems are designed tend toward a tight margin.

 

Beyond all of the complexities of systems like this which I haven't really gotten into in intricate or immaculate details, just looking at the background information and signs, there are very strong indications that fraud, foul play, malfeasance or manipulation could have flipped this election. I can't say that happened for certain. What I can say is that it's not prohibitively improbable.

 

Just the mindset of the left alone is concerning, they support things like illegal immigrants or people ineligible to vote voting and then they say if they win they'll give them amnesty later. There are a lot of factors like that, a large array of them that make fraud more likely to happen on the Democrat side than the Republican side. In many systems you would assume that fraud or errors tend to cancel each other out.

 

Somethings that's true. Sometimes it's not. In this case there's no statistical basis for it. Fraud isn't a random event that happens by chance like rolling a dice. If we are going to look at it like that however, all of the factors tend to lean toward a weighted dice when it comes to fraud that's weighted toward the Democrats.

 

I don't think anyone needs to be anywhere near as qualified as I am to know whether it's fraud or not, something is deeply wrong with your democratic system when someone as unpopular going in to the race as Biden is made president.

 

When I say Biden is unpopular, I don't mean because of surface indicates like the media or things being said on the internet. Trump's unpopularity is largely contrived by the media and corporations. Essentially the establishment and institutions. Remember everything was against him when he ran in 2016 but he won anyway. That's a strong signal of bottom up popularity against top down unpopularity.

 

Biden on the other hand, we knew just from left leaning polls of his popularity before the election Democrats didn't have much enthusiasm for him at all, it was just, they're voting against Trump not for Joe Biden. When you look at the indicators from his own camp that are bottom up then Biden was never at all popular. You hardly ever hear Democrats on the ground say anything positive about him that resonates with them. There's just no authentic attachment for him to be found or authentic displays of admiration or anything like that.

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I'm a senior software engineer with decades experience including in gaming, gambling, programming point of sale machines with custom Linux distributions and patches to major software such as browsers, compliance, data protection, security, programming, communications, filtering, censorship, business analysis, database administration, system's administration, competitive systems, balance, fairness, design, anti-fraud, auditing, implementation, training, writing tests, writing scientific software, etc.

 

That's not really exhaustive. It sounds impressive but when you work for smallish companies you tend to be expected to build the whole thing almost from the ground up. This includes self service betting machines. This is stuff I've done with my own hands. I often have to be a systems analyst because hate me for it but my experience is going into a business or some enterprise, examining what everyone does, working out how it works as a machine, all the parts, the whole, the objectives, etc and to replace people with code.

 

There's a lot of people that are saying silly things on both sides. What I can say as a qualified expert is that the assertion made by the media that fraud is impossible and that the system is secure is categorically false. It's actually not really auditable. Whatever really happened, your system has a problem and is simply broken in cases like these with such tight margins.

 

The machines aren't really as big a part of that as you might think. It doesn't matter necessarily if you use machines or not. They can offer certain unique vectors but in systems design we have background processes to check things so no matter what the exploit it gets caught. This isn't all that complex. In a shop you keep an inventory, that's just a spreadsheet of items and records of what's bought, sold, routine checks of the balance in the till, the prices, stock levels, etc.

 

So if stock is going missing the right book keeping tends to be very good at detecting anything that can go wrong. Maybe it's shop lifting, maybe it's staff taking things, maybe it's rats sneaking in and eating your grain stores either way, the right system is very good at detecting discrepancies. When you have multiple books to balance and multiple copies it's harder to fiddle the numbers and get away with it as it must be reflected everywhere. Even in those cases there can be blindspots.

 

Usually the intention is to minimise the problem so that you can focus other resources on it or so that it's so small it can't be a big problem. In security design we don't just do prevention. We never deem a system as entirely secure and where possible always have some systems as well like disaster recovery, backups, etc for if the worst does happen despite efforts to prevent it.

 

The US election system isn't one I would consider sufficiently auditable or reliable. A lot of people are being mislead about what an audit can do. If you aren't keeping certain records then you can't fully audit things. This election is a bit of a perfect storm because of the tight margins and rushed changes for COVID-19.

 

An audit might not find anything even if there was fraud but rerunning the election is like repeating an experiment so 2024 or something like that might reveal something unusual. This is one motivation for wanting to mess around, make changes perfect, etc. The one thing about fraud is that it's hard to do it again every time.

 

In an audit I want to see random sampling, properly using mathematics like bimodal distribution to match the detection rate with the threshold (margin of victory), this has to look for fraud both ways not just against Trump otherwise it's biased, to do things like check those people's votes and ballots match what they voted for (detect disappeared or changes Trump ballots, added ballots, etc). Basically you compare to the population each way to detect any possible mutation between the voter and any other stage in the pipeline.

 

The problem with this is that for privacy and things like that there are breaks in the chain and cases where you can't really confirm anything. Someone contacted says they voted. Their ballot is missing. There's a lot of variability between states in how well you can establish the person is telling the truth. I don't believe you get relatively difficult to counterfeit receipts.

 

Part of this problem is because of the set up of the US election system but some of these problems are hard problems as well. It's difficult to make an election system that's large scale that you can reliably trust if there's going to be tight margins and quite often the way these systems are designed tend toward a tight margin.

 

Beyond all of the complexities of systems like this which I haven't really gotten into in intricate or immaculate details, just looking at the background information and signs, there are very strong indications that fraud, foul play, malfeasance or manipulation could have flipped this election. I can't say that happened for certain. What I can say is that it's not prohibitively improbable.

 

Just the mindset of the left alone is concerning, they support things like illegal immigrants or people ineligible to vote voting and then they say if they win they'll give them amnesty later. There are a lot of factors like that, a large array of them that make fraud more likely to happen on the Democrat side than the Republican side. In many systems you would assume that fraud or errors tend to cancel each other out.

 

Somethings that's true. Sometimes it's not. In this case there's no statistical basis for it. Fraud isn't a random event that happens by chance like rolling a dice. If we are going to look at it like that however, all of the factors tend to lean toward a weighted dice when it comes to fraud that's weighted toward the Democrats.

 

I don't think anyone needs to be anywhere near as qualified as I am to know whether it's fraud or not, something is deeply wrong with your democratic system when someone as unpopular going in to the race as Biden is made president.

 

When I say Biden is unpopular, I don't mean because of surface indicates like the media or things being said on the internet. Trump's unpopularity is largely contrived by the media and corporations. Essentially the establishment and institutions. Remember everything was against him when he ran in 2016 but he won anyway. That's a strong signal of bottom up popularity against top down unpopularity.

 

Biden on the other hand, we knew just from left leaning polls of his popularity before the election Democrats didn't have much enthusiasm for him at all, it was just, they're voting against Trump not for Joe Biden. When you look at the indicators from his own camp that are bottom up then Biden was never at all popular. You hardly ever hear Democrats on the ground say anything positive about him that resonates with them. There's just no authentic attachment for him to be found or authentic displays of admiration or anything like that.

Many, I suspect, voted for Johnson in the UK because at least he wasn't Comrade Corbyn.

 

 

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Many, I suspect, voted for Johnson in the UK because at least he wasn't Comrade Corbyn.

 

 

 

Johnson might be great as a MP for a bit of fun but other than that he's not really the leader we need. He's definitely hoisted by the media. I find it very frustrating because left wing lunacy often puts me in the position where I'm compelled to then have to defend and uphold the conservatives as they currently are.

 

The left and right are meant to keep each other in check and then we get the best of both worlds. We're currently at a race to the bottom and getting the worse of both worlds.

 

I want a democracy where both left and right are good choices, well, that is, I want a democracy, I want a real choice, not choices chosen for me. Currently it's more support Boris Johnson because otherwise we're sinking faster.

 

Either way though, either choice and we're sinking. Something needs to change.

 

I don't think Johnson is quite as horrific going in to the election as Biden (I can at least relate to Johnson as a human being) and note that Corbyn is legitimately bad (I don't know how they even managed to find a replacement as bad or worse, I can't tell Kier Starmer apart from his bouncers). Though just one wrong move can change Johnson's standing, I need to look at bills and activities as of late.

 

It's a similar situation but not entirely the same. You are correct however in making the connection. You'll have to forgive me for typing a lot, I'm stuck at a high pace from being a workaholic or rather can produce code and documentation really easily after having done so much of it. My posts are low effort. Though it should give something to think about. Hard work and effort can pay off when you sort of become a human machine.

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44 minutes ago, bamboozooka said:

what happens when the fake news media tells a lie.

god wins

 

She needs her sins to be washed whiter than snow. If God should pay her a visit, she might see the connection between what sometimes happens in the natural world and what happens in the spiritual realm.

Psalm 51:7 and Isaiah 1:16-18

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3 hours ago, bamboozooka said:

wheres the white house brandon?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/W7iwz1miIaI/

Biden could address the nation in nothing but a nappy and say absolutely any nonsense that comes into his head. Nobody really gives a shit that is of any importance. As long as he is no danger to the Deep State (ie he tells the truth about a bunch of stuff including election fraud and gross perversion, opponents being killed in the name of suicide etc) then he will remain in his position.

 

I was thinking some time back that they could have 'chosen' anybody to lead the Democrats. Yet they chose this moron, who you would think could be a potentially terrible liability given his muddled brain. I know that his cognitive decline has accelerated since just after the inauguration but the signs must have been there prior to him being 'elected' supreme leader.

 

So why Biden? Why take an unnecessary chance?

 

Well I reckon that he was chosen to humiliate the people of the USA and the history of the USA (or at least anything that was remotely good from the past). An absolute dribbling fool pissing all over a nation before the watching wold. Because nobody can do a thing about it - particularly in any future election - anybody who is remotely righteous and anybody who puts any kind of trust and hope in politics is going to be exasperated, beaten up, defeated in spirit.

 

That would be fertile ground for the end of the American system and the beginning of the worldwide system that the Globalists desire. I used to think that the USA would be the biggest stumbling block to a one world government but that is no longer the case and Biden epitomises exactly why.

 

 

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