Tech to talk to the "dead."

[chocomel]

4 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

If we consider that at some level we are energy - our thoughts are electrical impulses in our brains, well according to physics, energy can't be created or destroyed only transformed. Hence its logical to assume when we die our energy is not destroyed but continues to exist. (Just in a different realm/medium)

 

That would make these spirit boxes a possibility since if ghosts are some sort of electric field they would have electric and/or magnetic qualities which could be detected by electrically or magnetically sensitive equipment.

 

It is intriguing, watching some of those ghost documentaries on TV, they do get startling results from their 'spirit boxes'

 

Also I know spirits can influence sounds that are present like humming sounds to modulate or intetfere with so we can hear them so again it adds credence to an electronic device emitting white noise that the spirits can influence.

 

I find it intriguing from an engineering perspective.

 

I think the crucial point is what energy. Radio signal, microwave, 5G, Chi etc all requires different frequency range and components to measure the signal to be effective or to prove its existance. For example, I don't think anybody has actually invented a machine to measure Chi yet...at least in the public domain.

 

[motleyhoo]

On 6/27/2020 at 12:47 AM, TruthSeeker27 said:

 

True, but that's up to debate as to if that's actually happening or if it's just the human mind at work. You see, if we suppose that people can communicate with loved ones at will (via dreams), questions would then be asked as to why some people don't have those experiences. Why not? Are only some allowed? I'm not saying it can't happen in rare circumstances, but I don't believe it happens regularly, and I ABSOLUTELY do not believe it could be controlled/contained by any man made invention.

 

If it happened to you, you would know if it's real or not, you really would.  It's like people who have never had one telling those of us who have had an NDE that it was just an hallucination.  Or, it's like a Carpenter telling an Electrician how to do his job.

 

[motleyhoo]

On 6/27/2020 at 2:36 AM, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

It's psychological- these boxes act a catalyst for individuals with pre disposition to mental health issues and are suggestible to things. They hallucinated and misheard voices coming out of the boxes.

 

 

 

There's a lot more to it than psychological.  I was pointing out the documentary Hellier in an earlier post.  They have one episode that revolves around a type of spirit box that just transmits white noise while you are placed in a state of sensory deprivation with a blindfold and noise-cancelling headphones plugged into the device.  I was skeptical about these things until I watched that.  I have watched it 3 times now, looking for any signs that something was being hoaxed, and I am convinced these people are the real deal.  Not to mention, if they got caught hoaxing, their careers would be ruined and their entire social circle would abandon them.  In that episode, someone begins to communicate with these people.  There's no way to know who this is or where they are, it might not be a dead person, it might be some other kind of entity that we do not know about or understand.  The world and the "other world" is so much more complex than we believe it is, because we're limited by our 5 senses which are very narrow in their bandwidths.

 

I had an NDE in 2005 while I was having an emergency heart bypass at the point of being near death.  No one that's never had an NDE can tell me anything about what's real or not.  Not anymore.

 

 

[Tinfoil Hat]

There are some interesting posts in this thread.

 

Is the technology supposed to be controlling, or simply detecting and recording the spirit communication?

 

I'm interested in the comment that the LHC disproves the existence of spirits. I'm not that knowledgable about it, but I did watch a video a few months ago that claimed the thing was drawing demonic entities into this plane. 

 

And how do we know that everyone doesn't speak to spirits while asleep? I know I rarely recall my dreams.

 

I'm not arguing with anyone, but am just genuinely intrigued. I have my own reasons for believing in the survival of the soul, but I don't have definite opinions on a lot of the detail.

 

 

[chocomel]

2 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

There are some interesting posts in this thread.

 

Is the technology supposed to be controlling, or simply detecting and recording the spirit communication?

 

I'm interested in the comment that the LHC disproves the existence of spirits. I'm not that knowledgable about it, but I did watch a video a few months ago that claimed the thing was drawing demonic entities into this plane. 

 

And how do we know that everyone doesn't speak to spirits while asleep? I know I rarely recall my dreams.

 

I'm not arguing with anyone, but am just genuinely intrigued. I have my own reasons for believing in the survival of the soul, but I don't have definite opinions on a lot of the detail.

 

While I understand that things are getting much hazy with tech creating situation that we don't know if it's a real thing or tech creation but entities are everwhere.

The dead, your guardians, angels demons...you name it. If anything negative entities come to those are vibrating negatively. It's like a gang comes to congregate in a certain area of a community. So one must question who is drawing those in your area etc...

You could say well, it's the cabal, masons etc....but if your base is brimming with light, they don't want to come to you.

 

I guess I have an advantage of being able to communicate with spirits and fact checked afterwards so I know they exist but other than that I don't know how I can prove the existence to you.

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by chocomel

[TruthSeeker27]

6 hours ago, motleyhoo said:

 

If it happened to you, you would know if it's real or not, you really would.  It's like people who have never had one telling those of us who have had an NDE that it was just an hallucination.  Or, it's like a Carpenter telling an Electrician how to do his job.

 

 

I completely respect that and even get that. I myself have had a few strange experiences that I know most people wouldn't believe. But I still think such communications would be rare to a certain degree at least, or else everyone would have those experiences.

 

Of course, it could be that some people are more in tune with stuff like that. Not exactly psychic, but more open to stuff like that. 

[motleyhoo]

The Estes Method, that's what was used in Hellier, if anyone wants to look that up.  It gets even crazier in season 2 when they combine the Estes Method with a God Helmet.

 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 6/29/2020 at 8:22 PM, motleyhoo said:

 

There's a lot more to it than psychological.  I was pointing out the documentary Hellier in an earlier post.  They have one episode that revolves around a type of spirit box that just transmits white noise while you are placed in a state of sensory deprivation with a blindfold and noise-cancelling headphones plugged into the device.  I was skeptical about these things until I watched that.  I have watched it 3 times now, looking for any signs that something was being hoaxed, and I am convinced these people are the real deal.  Not to mention, if they got caught hoaxing, their careers would be ruined and their entire social circle would abandon them.  In that episode, someone begins to communicate with these people.  There's no way to know who this is or where they are, it might not be a dead person, it might be some other kind of entity that we do not know about or understand.  The world and the "other world" is so much more complex than we believe it is, because we're limited by our 5 senses which are very narrow in their bandwidths.

 

I had an NDE in 2005 while I was having an emergency heart bypass at the point of being near death.  No one that's never had an NDE can tell me anything about what's real or not.  Not anymore.

 

 

 

I'll have to give that a watch sometime. I'd like to know more about your NDE motleyhoo if you don't mind sharing this?

 

I'm interested to know what happened and what your experience of the afterlife is. 

 

Obviously if there is life after death then we are no longer physical beings. From my limited understanding of this I get the impression that being non physical then that means existence is less limited and that it is a different state of being, and perhaps more like being in an astral projection type of state where the laws of physics differ; that the surroundings would be less fixed, less tangible and more conducive to the imagination ( that is one can create what one wishes)?

 

Sorry I'm not explaining it very well, but I'm not good at maths and science, so I find it hard to put into words.

 

I can only word it by how I imagine it might be, or how I try to picture it.

 

I know mediums and psychics have written many descriptions of the "afterlife" but this is from a physical human's mind, so not any proof really.

 

 

 

 

 

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 6/29/2020 at 8:35 PM, Tinfoil Hat said:

There are some interesting posts in this thread.

 

Is the technology supposed to be controlling, or simply detecting and recording the spirit communication?

 

I'm interested in the comment that the LHC disproves the existence of spirits. I'm not that knowledgable about it, but I did watch a video a few months ago that claimed the thing was drawing demonic entities into this plane. 

 

And how do we know that everyone doesn't speak to spirits while asleep? I know I rarely recall my dreams.

 

I'm not arguing with anyone, but am just genuinely intrigued. I have my own reasons for believing in the survival of the soul, but I don't have definite opinions on a lot of the detail.

 

 

 

I'm glad I started an interesting thread! It's a topic that interests me greatly. Not that I'm desperate to live on after death per se ( if there's nothing, and just the end of me, well so be it, I can't change that and at least there'll be no more bills to pay LOL), but a natural curiosity to know what the truth of it is.

 

Yes, that is what I was wondering too about this soul phone tech- is it an open line to "spirits" or simply detecting them?

 

I'm very sceptical of it, still inclined to think it's one big hoax.

 

I wish I could post a link to the article on the Hadron Collider to this thread but I get blocked every time I try to post a link.

 

Well, I have had numerous dreams over the years where I've met and talked to those who are no longer alive, even had one of my late brother last year.

 

Science does not really understand dreams; they only have theories on them. There are definitely different types of dreams. Some are just made up of snippets of things that one has been thinking about, experienced or read about during the day, or the past few days, then there are those that are like a narrative or film. I've had loads of the latter where I'm somebody else in a story, like a film.

 

I had an epic one  when I lived in Greece a few years ago- it was like being in a  late 1950s Hitchcock film. It was very entertaining!

 

A friend of mine loves dreaming. I think she sees it as free entertainment lol.

 

What is especially intriguing abut dreams is when people dream about events that have not happened in their real life and then a few days or weeks later what they dreamed about happens exactly as in the dream. That's happened to me in the past.

 

What is that about? I wish I knew!

[itsnotallrightjack]

On 6/29/2020 at 11:27 PM, chocomel said:

 

I guess I have an advantage of being able to communicate with spirits and fact checked afterwards so I know they exist but other than that I don't know how I can prove the existence to you.

 

 

If you'd like to share more on that I'd be interested to know your experiences. You see the thing is with me, I read science articles, and I always look for the scientific explanation for experiences that can be described as "the supernatural", and a lot can be explained by science but there are some experiences that just mystifying.

 

I've had my fair share of them over the years. 

[chocomel]

17 hours ago, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

If you'd like to share more on that I'd be interested to know your experiences. You see the thing is with me, I read science articles, and I always look for the scientific explanation for experiences that can be described as "the supernatural", and a lot can be explained by science but there are some experiences that just mystifying.

 

I've had my fair share of them over the years. 

 

I can't remember which thread, it might have even been one of your threads, that I have written some of my experience.

 

Just been listening to a story about how to capture spirit photo which I'd like to share.

 

Step 1 using an app on your phone, find out the direction of the handle of the Polar Star. This is the direction nearest to the spirit world at the time.

Step 2 spray some water/mist in that direction and take some photo. That's it!

 

Now interesting thing he mentioned, that the timing is of an essense when taking a spirit photo because it is pulsating (appearing/disappearing).

This makes sense because if everything is energy then we are oscillating....even though we look solid.

He said photographers and camera men should be very good at figuring out this timing because they are more attune to capturing the perfect moment.

 

He then went on to talk about a chinese master who can cut a stone with one finger acting like a laser.

He also learned to tap a stone and make it split in clean halves..... He said it's all about knowing.....interesting.....

 

How do you become a psychic or to obtain supernatural abilities?

He said that it isn't about studying and building up your skills. You can become one in an instant.

And I am inclined to agree with him as I knew if you connect with practising psychic and your ability is raised just like that.

So in essense, it's important who you connect with, if you can't meet such person face to face, then at least watch a video and listen to that person's experience etc...then you will know such thing IS possible and door flings open.

Edited July 2, 2020 by chocomel

[rideforever]

If you want to talk to the "dead", just use your mobile phone.

[itsnotallrightjack]

I haven't got one of those smart phones lol.

[chocomel]

On 7/2/2020 at 2:39 AM, itsnotallrightjack said:

 

I'll have to give that a watch sometime. I'd like to know more about your NDE motleyhoo if you don't mind sharing this?

 

I'm interested to know what happened and what your experience of the afterlife is. 

 

Obviously if there is life after death then we are no longer physical beings. From my limited understanding of this I get the impression that being non physical then that means existence is less limited and that it is a different state of being, and perhaps more like being in an astral projection type of state where the laws of physics differ; that the surroundings would be less fixed, less tangible and more conducive to the imagination ( that is one can create what one wishes)?

 

Sorry I'm not explaining it very well, but I'm not good at maths and science, so I find it hard to put into words.

 

I can only word it by how I imagine it might be, or how I try to picture it.

 

I know mediums and psychics have written many descriptions of the "afterlife" but this is from a physical human's mind, so not any proof really.

 

Correct! This is my understanding as well.

The delayed effect we have in 3D has a purpose. Imagine if you manifestd everything you imagine....especially if you are on the negative side!! From car accidents to people coming to smack you for no reason. You wouldn't even be writing about it to focus on. lol I don't mean you have to think of positive things only but your mind needs to be focused and become aware and this world is a training ground. Until you master your manifestation...

[rideforever]

19 hours ago, rideforever said:

If you want to talk to the "dead", just use your mobile phone.

I really thought this was funny !!!!

[chocomel]

5 hours ago, rideforever said:

I really thought this was funny !!!!

 

No.....

[Given To Fly]

my research in 'talking to the dead' is that it is more than likely not who you think it is. a demon/other interdimensional entity will form a spirit of someone else. and prob try to make an attachment.

 

if you want to get into something like this, learn how to protect yourself and make sure you 'close' afterwards.

Edited July 3, 2020 by Given To Fly

[itsnotallrightjack]

7 hours ago, chocomel said:

 

Correct! This is my understanding as well.

The delayed effect we have in 3D has a purpose. Imagine if you manifestd everything you imagine....especially if you are on the negative side!! From car accidents to people coming to smack you for no reason. You wouldn't even be writing about it to focus on. lol I don't mean you have to think of positive things only but your mind needs to be focused and become aware and this world is a training ground. Until you master your manifestation...

 

Gosh yes, I never thought about that. If us physical people could change things, manifest as you mention above it'd be bedlum!

[Heavenman]

Reminds me of that Adele song.
 

“Hello from the other side” 

 

 

[no kidding]

18 months ago, my son died in a tragic accident. I have always had an interest in the afterlife and prior to his death, I had visited a spiritualist. In the course of the reading, she suddenly said, "Who's Janet?" Janet was my paternal grandmother and I was something of a favourite. The spiritualist then went on to describe, in some detail, the house she had lived in and how she kept chocolate biscuits in a cupboard. Coincidence? Standard responses? Well I'm not easily convinced about anything I don't understand, but I found this very illuminating.

Last year, on what would have been his birthday, I woke up about 6am. It was June and therefore light. I sleep with the bedroom door open. There is no-one else in the house. I was only half-awake and I saw a shadow in the gap. Slightly alarmed, I sat up quickly and the door seemed to open a little. The figure was indistinguishable as such, but fitted the height and build of my son and was wearing a suit, which my son did for work. It stayed for a few moments and then disappeared. Auto suggestion? I don't know, but I know what I saw and I'm not given to illusions. 

Then a couple of months ago, I was sitting in the living room one morning. About 12 feet away is a window with a radiator underneath it.  On the window ledge is a picture of my son sitting next to his grandmother - my mother. The curtains are not heavy, but I have never seem them move. As I was looking out of the window, I noticed the bottom of the curtain was moving, as though the wind was blowing it, which obviously it wasn't. The window is double-glazed and the radiator was not on, so there was no other reason the curtain to move. It probably lasted about 10 seconds. There was no noise, just the twitching of the curtain. There may be an explanation for this, but I can't think of one. 

[itsnotallrightjack]

2 hours ago, no kidding said:

18 months ago, my son died in a tragic accident. I have always had an interest in the afterlife and prior to his death, I had visited a spiritualist. In the course of the reading, she suddenly said, "Who's Janet?" Janet was my paternal grandmother and I was something of a favourite. The spiritualist then went on to describe, in some detail, the house she had lived in and how she kept chocolate biscuits in a cupboard. Coincidence? Standard responses? Well I'm not easily convinced about anything I don't understand, but I found this very illuminating.

Last year, on what would have been his birthday, I woke up about 6am. It was June and therefore light. I sleep with the bedroom door open. There is no-one else in the house. I was only half-awake and I saw a shadow in the gap. Slightly alarmed, I sat up quickly and the door seemed to open a little. The figure was indistinguishable as such, but fitted the height and build of my son and was wearing a suit, which my son did for work. It stayed for a few moments and then disappeared. Auto suggestion? I don't know, but I know what I saw and I'm not given to illusions. 

Then a couple of months ago, I was sitting in the living room one morning. About 12 feet away is a window with a radiator underneath it.  On the window ledge is a picture of my son sitting next to his grandmother - my mother. The curtains are not heavy, but I have never seem them move. As I was looking out of the window, I noticed the bottom of the curtain was moving, as though the wind was blowing it, which obviously it wasn't. The window is double-glazed and the radiator was not on, so there was no other reason the curtain to move. It probably lasted about 10 seconds. There was no noise, just the twitching of the curtain. There may be an explanation for this, but I can't think of one. 

 

Sorry to read about your son. Your experiences are interesting. 

[itsnotallrightjack]

I found this excerpt on the Daily Mail. It was in the right side panel of an article about how two "psychics" failed a scientific test ( as every Randi test has so far).

 

I find this very interesting. Thoughts everyone?

 

CAN QUANTUM PHYSICS PROVE THAT THERE IS LIFE AFTER DEATH?

A near-death experience happens when quantum substances which form the soul leave the nervous system and enter the universe at large, according to a remarkable theory proposed by two eminent scientists.

 

According to this idea, consciousness is a program for a quantum computer in the brain which can persist in the universe even after death, explaining the perceptions of those who have near-death experiences.

Dr Stuart Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and the Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, has advanced the quasi-religious theory.

 

It is based on a quantum theory of consciousness he and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose have developed which holds that the essence of our soul is contained inside structures called microtubules within brain cells.

 

They have argued that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in these microtubules, a theory which they dubbed orchestrated objective reduction (Orch-OR). Dr Hameroff told the Science Channel's Through the Wormhole documentary: 'Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state.

 

'The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large.

 

'If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says "I had a near death experience".

[itsnotallrightjack]

https://www.academia.edu/10288975/EVIDENCE_MICROTUBULES_CAUSE_LIFE_AFTER_DEATH

[itsnotallrightjack]

Anyone ever heard of the Scole Experiment? 

 

There were many different types of phenomena seen, felt, heard, smelled and touched during the 5 years of the Scole Experiment. We have listed some of them below. Although people's experiences could not be quantified and tested scientifically they were, nevertheless, still very real to them; they constituted to each individual concerned real, tangible evidence that something paranormal was happening. 

 

Some of the experiences they claim they had include:

 

Manifestion of spirit beings who were able to move freely around the room and interact with people present at the experimental session.     
 

Paranormal photography occurred where the camera levitated and took its own pictures in complete darkness.When the film was processed there were images on it. Also with an unopened film still in its factory-sealed packaging, within a security box - still there were images on the film. Amazing footage was captured on video film too. 

 

Visible spirit beings appeared as self-luminous forms which built up gradually and which then floated around the room.

A feeling of love was often felt by the Group and visitors during the experimental sessions. often the room would feel charged with energy. 
   
Voice-to-voice communication through the amplifier of a tape recorder.

 

Paranormal lights which manifested constituted a spectacular experience.There is such a vast catalogue of light phenomena that we can only mention a few of their remarkable features here.

The lights were reported to: dart around at great speed; perform elaborately patterned dances; settle on outstretched hands and jump from one to the other; obey commands (both verbal and mental); settle on and apparently enter the chests of investigators, who reported internal sensations immediately thereafter, then leaving from a different part of the body; settle on the open palms of a guest investigator (Professor Grattan-Guinness) who then enfolded the light inside his hands, momentarily, to satisfy himself of the absence of any physical link and to change shape from a pinpoint of light to a generalised irradiation or glow.

Playing of musical Instruments present in the room. This not only happened at Scole but also in Ibiza and with the visitors from NASA in the USA.  

 

https://www.thescoleexperiment.com/paranormal-experiences.html

 

If all this truly happened, fascinating indeed. I'd like to have been there!

[Janet W]

An interesting thread. It's really discussing transcommunication, which sort of includes EVP, although TC is supposed to be communication in real time.

The book "The Ghost of 29 megacycles" might appeal to some readers of this thread. Google "George Meek" SPIRICOM, METAscience,  and "Bill O'Neil". This bunch claimed that real-time communication was established with deceased Dr. George Jeffries Mueller - a NASA scientist.

Plot spoiler; it was almost certainly a hoax, although why anyone would perpetrate such an elaborate one escapes me. The fact that O'Neil was diagnosed as a schizophrenic and had access to an early artificial larynx doesn't strengthen their case!

 

But hey, read up on all the versions of what happened and draw your own conclusions.

 

A "Yes" "No" device should surely be available by now - operating on random noise, or something much more sophisticated and sensitively balanced so that just the gentlest of nudges by a sprit would tip it into the correct state.

 

As far as I can tell Spirit Boxes and similar rely on wishful thinking and audio pareidolia, although I have heard of claims they have produced relevant names and data. How does that work...?