SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 3/6/2021 at 1:58 PM, Doctor What said: Sends all the dust long way beyond the lander. I expected more from you than this explanation? I guess it all rests on this very notion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 3/6/2021 at 1:58 PM, Doctor What said: Apollo was technological feat with very much money and people. Yes I calculated several years ago that NASA budget had cumulatively reached $800 billion dollars since its inception, not accounting for inflation. That is a lot of reasons to come up with some what almost plausible technical lies for everyone to eat up. Never mind the blatant wastes of money like the AS2 test stand that was never used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, SimonTV said: Yes I calculated several years ago that NASA budget had cumulatively reached $800 billion dollars since its inception, not accounting for inflation. That is a lot of reasons to come up with some what almost plausible technical lies for everyone to eat up. Never mind the blatant wastes of money like the AS2 test stand that was never used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 3/6/2021 at 2:06 PM, Doctor What said: Point to me the preposterous parts. The entire story from the part they leave the atmosphere to the point they end the press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 23 hours ago, DarianF said: I guess these reflectors just installed themselves on the Moon: – http://polac.obspm.fr/llrdatae.html – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lunar_Surface_Experiments_Package Reflectors are a joke and debunked years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, SimonTV said: Reflectors are a joke and debunked years ago. Yeah, meanwhile they produced over 40 years of scientific data for researchers all over the world. https://spie.org/news/12-09-laser-ranging?SSO=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 23 hours ago, DarianF said: Show me So you are saying they are not from NASA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Just now, SimonTV said: So you are saying they are not from NASA? No, I'm saying provide a direct source with description. For example: Image code: AS11-40-5931 Image title: Aldrin unpacks experiments Image URL: https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5931.jpg Associated gallery: https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/apollo.html Or simply a URL to image and description from the official source. e.g. https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap210204.html Just makes things easier for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, DarianF said: Yeah, meanwhile they produced over 40 years of scientific data for researchers all over the world. https://spie.org/news/12-09-laser-ranging?SSO=1 They were debunked in Apollo Zero if I remember correctly. Not difficult to fake data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, DarianF said: No, I'm saying provide a direct source with description. For example: Image code: AS11-40-5931 Image title: Aldrin unpacks experiments Image URL: https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5931.jpg Associated gallery: https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/apollo.html Or simply a URL to image and description from the official source. e.g. https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap210204.html Just makes things easier for everyone. https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap190720.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SimonTV said: They were debunked in Apollo Zero if I remember correctly. Not difficult to fake data. Take me through some of the acdemic papers using the data and show me the faked parts. Edited March 7, 2021 by DarianF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, DarianF said: No, I'm saying provide a direct source with description. For example: Image code: AS11-40-5931 Image title: Aldrin unpacks experiments Image URL: https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5931.jpg Associated gallery: https://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/apollo.html Or simply a URL to image and description from the official source. e.g. https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap210204.html Just makes things easier for everyone. I posted the mega zip with all the images in it. These are Images AS11-39-5737 to AS11-39-5843 Images AS11-40-5844 to AS11-40-5970 images 5922, 5918, 5872, 5864 from AS11-40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, SimonTV said: I posted the mega zip with all the images in it. These are Images AS11-39-5737 to AS11-39-5843 Images AS11-40-5844 to AS11-40-5970 images 5922, 5918, 5872, 5864 from AS11-40 Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, DarianF said: Am I meant to respond to this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Just now, SimonTV said: Am I meant to respond to this? No you don't have to. But I know you probably want to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, DarianF said: No you don't have to. But I know you probably want to They are simply working under the assumption that the NASA fraud is legitimate and going with it. They don't prove the reflector story by acting as if it is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, SimonTV said: They are simply working under the assumption that the NASA fraud is legitimate and going with it. They don't prove the reflector story by acting as if it is real. The scientific results from the experiments are well published and well established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Just now, DarianF said: The scientific results from the experiments are well published and well established. I would add that most of the time the people involved realy are convinced of the lie. It is only a tiny percentage of people involved that know the truth and an even smaller percentage that know everything. Even the presidents are convinced of the lie. These similar frauds are found all the time within the government budgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, SimonTV said: I would add that most of the time the people involved realy are convinced of the lie. It is only a tiny percentage of people involved that know the truth and an even smaller percentage that know everything. Even the presidents are convinced of the lie. These similar frauds are found all the time within the government budgets. Not everything is a conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DarianF said: Not everything is a conspiracy. I didn't expect you to stoop to cheap arguments like that. The fact is that there is a lot of corruption and fraudulent spending of government budgets and NASA is just one example of that. Edited March 7, 2021 by SimonTV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, SimonTV said: I didn't expect you to stoop to cheap arguments like that. The fact is that there is a lot of corruption and fraudulent spending of government budgets and NASA is just one example of that. NASA's budget is actually piss nothing compared to other expenditures. It's actually underfunded. A tiny percentage of the the federal budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Just now, DarianF said: NASA's budget is actually piss nothing compared to other expenditures. It's actually underfunded. A tiny percentage of the the federal budget. Yea an accounting teacher found the US government budget has a $21 trillion shortage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarianF Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, SimonTV said: Yea an accounting teacher found the US government budget has a $21 trillion shortage. Maybe like the missing money around the time of 9/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTV Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, DarianF said: Maybe like the missing money around the time of 9/11. The point I am making is that NASA fraud is not out of character for governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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