"Peace" is Slavery

[rideforever]

Was thinking today that the idea of "peace" (vomit) and loving everyone and world peace and "Buddhist compassion" and all that crap ... is a total like.

What it is ... is manipulating you to be a weak brainless opinionless coward.

Which is exactly how they like you serve up.

Then they will steal everything you have and ruin your family.

Everybody get the fk out of my way .. is better.

[HistoryIsComplex]

1 hour ago, rideforever said:

Was thinking today that the idea of "peace" (vomit) and loving everyone and world peace and "Buddhist compassion" and all that crap ... is a total like.

What it is ... is manipulating you to be a weak brainless opinionless coward.

Which is exactly how they like you serve up.

Then they will steal everything you have and ruin your family.

Everybody get the fk out of my way .. is better.

 

I think the idea is that you have to be "peaceful and sedate all the time", while the people in charge "do whatever they want".

 

I'm a great believer in peace. But not even the major religions and scriptures tell you to "just sit there peacefully while others eat your lunch and torch your house".

[Armesis]

This planet is not all about love and light. Anger has its uses.

[AndyJ]

Justifiable anger teaches us where our boundaries are. We need that so we aren't taken advantage of. But I don't believe there's any benefit to living in extreme states of emotion. I think the ultimate goal is to try to develop a neutrality. Being calm in the eye of the storm. If my perception is that I don't fear what someone else can do to me then that will obviously reflect more positively in my daily life than if I was constantly getting annoyed or fearful about world events. The way I see it is no matter what moves the cabal make I have the resourcefulness and personal empowerment to not submit to anything I don't want to and I can still fulfil my goals and ambitions. It is all about our own personal perception at the end of the day and the outer world is just a reflection of how we see and value ourselves. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

Righteous anger is often required.

 

 

 

[pi3141]

13 hours ago, HistoryIsComplex said:

 But not even the major religions and scriptures tell you to "just sit there peacefully while others eat your lunch and torch your house".

 

Jesus said 'Resist not evil' following that thought then yes if someone comes to torch your house, you let them. If your a nation and an evil nation invades, you let them. Nations shouldn't have standing armies and national military service, as this makes murderers of innocent men.

 

Resist not evil means what it says - no fighting back.

 

So I disagree that all the major religions tell you not to fight back, Christ's teaching on resist not evil means exactly that - no fighting back.

 

Now, whether we're prepared to do that is another matter. If someone broke into my house intending me and my family harm, I would fight back, but its not the spiritual way.

[TruthSeeker27]

21 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

 

Jesus said 'Resist not evil' following that thought then yes if someone comes to torch your house, you let them. If your a nation and an evil nation invades, you let them. Nations shouldn't have standing armies and national military service, as this makes murderers of innocent men.

 

Resist not evil means what it says - no fighting back.

 

So I disagree that all the major religions tell you not to fight back, Christ's teaching on resist not evil means exactly that - no fighting back.

 

Now, whether we're prepared to do that is another matter. If someone broke into my house intending me and my family harm, I would fight back, but its not the spiritual way.

 

It isn't the spiritual way, no, you're 100% right about that and about Christ. I myself am a lapsed Catholic (who still believes but doesn't go to Church much), and know in my heart that violence is never really the answer.

 

The problem is...we are constrained by our bodies. We are constrained by our perception. You must remember that in the eyes of Jesus Christ, death means nothing. Nothing at all. Life and death don't matter when you know with absolute certainty that Paradise/Heaven exists. In resisting evil altogether, we do gain rewards in Heaven, in my opinion. But it isn't easy to live that way because it makes us appear weak (even to ourselves). In truth, to stand back and do absolutely nothing is all it takes for evil to triumph, and so a paradox is created within our minds. But I believe that there are many other ways of fighting back rather than resorting to violence. Of course, in defence of our families we would all fight, and I'm sure Christ would understand that. But His message was so important, because if we did all resort to anger quite quickly, we would be failing to walk the correct path.

 

Of course, this is just my opinion on the matter.

Edited June 24, 2020 by TruthSeeker27

[rideforever]

Let's cut the shit and attempt to use the equipment that God gave us that we call intelligence.

 

Matthew 5

33“Again, you have heard that it was said to our ancestors,at You must not break your oath, but you must keep your oaths to the Lord.au,av 34But I tell you, don’t take an oath at all: either by heaven, because it is God’s throne; 35or by the earth, because it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King.aw 36Neither should you swear by your head, because you cannot make a single hair white or black. 37But let your word ‘yes’ be ‘yes,’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no.’ax Anything more than this is from the evil one.ay

Yes should mean Yes, in other words attempt to make a decision and stick to it.  This will show you the result of thought-will-action.  You may get it right or wrong, doesn't matter ... because you LEARN.  And learning is what counts.  Learning is development.  If your Yes does not mean Yes and your No does not mean No, then you never learn shit.  And you can forget about making boasting promises - means nothing.  Are you a man of your word?  Are you somebody who is sufficiently conscious that you can actually make a decision that comes from your centre, and then follow through.  Do you learn ?

 

38“You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.az,ba 39But I tell you, don’t resist an evildoer. On the contrary, if anyone slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.bc 40As for the one who wants to sue you and take away your shirt,bd let him have your coatbe as well. 41And if anyone forcesbf you to go one mile, go with him two. 42Give to the one who asks you, and don’t turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
Turn your cheek?  A strange instruction.  And what will happen if you turn your cheek?  You will get SLAPPED again, of course.  
You can see clearly that the meaning of this instruction has been lost because "turning a cheek" in today's world means to avoid and ignore, when clearly Jesus is saying get yourself slapped a second time.  Why would he say that?  It is because the pressure inside you will be boiling, and through observing your own reactions and trying to understand negotiate and learn from them ... this leads to LEARNING.  We are so fake that it is only when somebody slaps us that we see what we really are.  And, if you are brave enough to LEARN, to observe reflect ... it is only through LEARNING that we will grow.
 

43“You have heard that it was said, Love your neighbori and hate your enemy. 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,bl 45so that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. For He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.  46For if you love those who love you, what reward will you have? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same?  And if you greet only your •brothers, what are you doing out of the ordinary?  Don’t even the Gentiles do the same? 48Be perfect therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Be thee perfect by praying for your enemies ... very difficult.  Of course you can fake it up.  Fakely I "lurve" my enemies.  That results in nothing.

But if you can witness the whole scene, the sad endless turmoil and violence of people ... stand back and with the whole scene to be better ... then you stand outside of the scene, you can reflect on the whole situation.  
It is difficult, and that friction inside you ... to stand back and witness, it causes LEARNING.  
Of course you fake it up.  You can lie.  But that means nothing.
Wrestling with yourself leads to Learning and growing.

So you can see that God put us in a world of turmoil to learn.  We are so dull and sleepy that unless we are slapped around we won't learn ... but if you are a slow learning you will endure this for a long long time.  Better to stand back and witness, and try to learn and learn fast.
Try - it is very difficult not to react .. and to be lost in your anger.
And it is easy to be FAKE and say ... oh I don't care, I don't feel anything.
But it is only when you do FEEL and then you do WITNESS ... only then is learning happening.

Friction at different levels:
Without friction there is no fire.

And yes we must fight.  Fighting is being alive.
All the animals fight ... or they die.

It is simply a message from God that this is what we need, fighting and the physical world has its truth, and we are needing to find truth at the physical level.

"Peace" as Jesus describes is another type of fighting, of watching yourself as you are in turmoil, as your insulted - it is difficult - it is not an easy life either.
Only through friction do we learning.

Meanwhile in Russia they are building cathedrals with St Michael on the front door.
 

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by rideforever

[pi3141]

7 minutes ago, TruthSeeker27 said:

You must remember that in the eyes of Jesus Christ, death means nothing. Nothing at all. Life and death don't matter when you know with absolute certainty that Paradise/Heaven exists. In resisting evil altogether, we do gain rewards in Heaven, in my opinion. But it isn't easy to live that way because it makes us appear weak (even to ourselves). 

 

Yes I agree with your post.

 

I highlighted the above because its the truth. If you know heaven awaits us the death means nothing. So in my example, if someone attacked my family the correct course of action is to do nothing, allow it to happen and find your reward in heaven. Yes it does make us seem week but resorting to violence is just more evil, evil cannot defeat evil.

 

But actually doing it? Thats hard. But the Tibetans showed us the way with their peaceful uprising in 1959 against Chinese agression. I hope that World opinion turns against China to such an extent that they will be compelled to hand Tibet back to the Tibetans and leave. If that happends it will demonstrate 'resist not evil' works.

[pi3141]

51 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Let's cut the shit and attempt to use the equipment that God gave us that we call intelligence.

 

You appear to be in line with the Church of Satan. If I remember correctly you think 'might is right' well that philosophy is in line with the Church of Satan.

 

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A Satanist on why everything you know about his religion is wrong

 

As social Darwinists we adhere to 'might is right' philosophy of vengeance, and support the idea of justice through Lex Talionis, an aspect of which can be understood by the colloquial concept 'an eye for an eye'

Link - https://www.independent/life-style/satanist-reverend-religions-everything-know-facts-devil-worship-church-asley-s-palmer-a7767641.html

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by pi3141

[rideforever]

18 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

You appear to be in line with the Church of Satan. If I remember correctly you think 'might is right' well that philosophy is in line with the Church of Satan.

 

You appear not to have the ability to read.

 

Vegetarians always demand perfect peace, but carrots do not want to be eaten be vegetarians ... vegetables hate vegetarians and they secret poisons to discourage people from eating them.
But carry on dreaming about "perfect peace" or "perfect evil" ... because they you don't have to make the wheels of your brain turn.

 

[pi3141]

50 minutes ago, rideforever said:

 

You appear not to have the ability to read.

 

Vegetarians always demand perfect peace, but carrots do not want to be eaten be vegetarians ... vegetables hate vegetarians and they secret poisons to discourage people from eating them.
But carry on dreaming about "perfect peace" or "perfect evil" ... because they you don't have to make the wheels of your brain turn.

 

 

'For every tree of the garden thou are free to eat' claiming eating carrots is wrong is ridiculous.

 

Christ said 'resist not evil' i don't see how you can twist that saying into anything else than what it is.

 

Thanks for the 'not using your brain' insult. Apparently, thats a troll response and not very Christian.

Edited June 24, 2020 by pi3141

[rideforever]

15 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

For every tree of the garden thou are free to eat' claiming eating carrots is wrong is ridiculous.

 

Jesus can you read !!!
I did not say eating carrots is wrong !!!

It is useless talking to you.

 

[pi3141]

21 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Jesus can you read !!!
I did not say eating carrots is wrong !!!

It is useless talking to you.

 

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Vegetarians always demand perfect peace, but carrots do not want to be eaten be vegetarians 
 

 

 

You implied it is wrong to eat carrots. However this goes against nature as many plants want to be eaten to spread their seeds. Its nature.

 

Indulge me, what do you mean by 'Carrots do not want to be eaten'?

 

How do you know carrots don't want to be eaten - didn't god create them for us to eat?

 

Claiming I don't understand what your saying and implying I'm stupid is another troll tactic.

Edited June 24, 2020 by pi3141

[rideforever]

12 minutes ago, pi3141 said:

Indulge me,

 

Just try to use your brain for a moment.  I can't do it for you.

[pi3141]

30 minutes ago, rideforever said:

Just try to use your brain for a moment.  I can't do it for you.

 

Ok, I'll try.

 

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Carrots do not want to be eaten

 

 

This suggests Carrots are sentient, they feel and have thoughts. This is demonstrably untrue, hence your assertion makes no sense.

Carrots, vegetables, and other fruits have all been put here to be eaten, to sustain life. Hence again, your statement makes no sense.

'The lord God commanded the man saying of every tree of the garden you are free to eat'. It is ordained by God that we eat vegetables and fruit. Hence again, from a spiritual viewpoint your statement makes no sense.

 

By implying I cannot keep up mentally with your argument is yet another troll tactic.

 

Sorry, but I don't follow you, what do you mean by - 

 

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Carrots do not want to be eaten

Edited June 24, 2020 by pi3141

[zarkov]

 

17 hours ago, rideforever said:

Was thinking today that the idea of "peace" (vomit) and loving everyone and world peace and "Buddhist compassion" and all that crap ... is a total like.

What it is ... is manipulating you to be a weak brainless opinionless coward.

Which is exactly how they like you serve up.

Then they will steal everything you have and ruin your family.

Everybody get the fk out of my way .. is better.

 

Would it be accurate to say  - that we are organisms with a divine spark. For that spark to progress, grow and/or evolve it has to encounter lessons. Lessons are the fertile ground for true growth. Life cannot be experienced from within the cave i.e. apriori , induction.

[pi3141]

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Edited June 24, 2020 by pi3141

[rideforever]

55 minutes ago, zarkov said:

Would it be accurate to say  - that we are organisms with a divine spark. For that spark to progress, grow and/or evolve it has to encounter lessons. Lessons are the fertile ground for true growth. Life cannot be experienced from within the cave i.e. apriori , induction.

 

Yes, life is recognition of intelligence ... all experience leads to intelligence, life is intelligence growing into intelligence, therefore it must "live".

Humans are in a confusing situation really.  We are quite complex organisms that can function in several different ways, for instance being an unconscious parasited person means that you function but more like being used by other forces ... rather than function for your own independent benefit.

People in the world, although they appear to talk and think, most are simply repeating past thoughts or expressing thoughts of the collective ... that is like the matrix we are born in ... but through the shocks of this world we can "wake up" as individuals .. .the shocks cause us to initiate our own intelligence ... we see a glitch in the matrix and are forced to take the risk to make the machinery of our own minds move.

It is the friction of the good and bad, day and night, the storm and the sun ... this friction alternating gradually works on us ... and if we are brave enough to face the music directly then we become initiated as living thinking independent creatures ... that is only if we take that risk to do that ... perhaps by feeling a great love or a great inspiration.  Otherwise the friction grinds you down to dust and nothing is left.

But ... we have no choice but to try and bring to bear all the forces we have, whatever they may be ... to be courageous in one way or another.

All life must be brave and from bravery we can learn, and from bravery to exist then we are noticed by life.  Life sees you, a little creature with only small things, small powers, a small heart.

But, a small heart that beats is noticed, and loved.

Many small people in the history of humanity and faced the unfolding and rising darkness, the force of their spirit was light.

They simply tried.

And one day it was over.

 

[motleyhoo]

I'm the most peaceful person you would ever want to meet.  Unless you come into my space and want to take what I have, or shut my mouth, or take away my thoughts and beliefs, and then I will attack you with everything I have.  I don't care what you believe, what your skin color is, what you have, what you think, just don't try to force your shit onto me and we will be fine neighbors.

 

 

[peter]

On 6/24/2020 at 10:26 PM, pi3141 said:

 

 

You implied it is wrong to eat carrots. However this goes against nature as many plants want to be eaten to spread their seeds. Its nature.

 

Indulge me, what do you mean by 'Carrots do not want to be eaten'?

 

How do you know carrots don't want to be eaten - didn't god create them for us to eat?

 

Claiming I don't understand what your saying and implying I'm stupid is another troll tactic.

So is twisting and taking out of context what people actually say

[rideforever]

The kind of peace that Jesus or Buddha is talking about is only available if you transform yourself to a "higher state of consciousness", which is quite rare.

Taking care of the practical matters of ordinary life is the foundation for that ultimate transformation.

The way people corrupt things is that they do not wish to do the spiritual transformation, neither to take care of business in their normal life, and instead borrow and manipulate these high ideals and walk around shouting for "world peace".

[pi3141]

6 hours ago, peter said:

So is twisting and taking out of context what people actually say

 

I honestly don't follow him. I've got a logical brain and I take things at face value.

 

I'm not trying to twist anything. You've obviously read what he said -

 

'Vegetarians always want perfect peace but carrots don't want to be eaten be (by) vegetarians'

 

I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense to me. I can't see what point he is making. I asked him to explain and he brushed me off.

 

I could labour on that the whole point of a carrots existence is to be eaten but it appears I'm barking up the wrong tree.

 

Perhaps you understand him but I don't. If you want to explain it to me great. If not then I have dropped it and didn't hound him about it.  I asked for an explanation and none was given, I accepted it was some throw away comment that he couldn't back up.

[peter]

On 6/24/2020 at 8:44 PM, pi3141 said:

You appear to be in line with the Church of Satan. If I remember correctly you think 'might is right' well that philosophy is in line with the Church of Satan.

I don't remember Mr ride stating might is right, also I missed where he implied it was wrong to eat carrots, as far as I can see he used the carrots as an an-allergy  with no implications of right or wrong. Then you tell us that not eating carrots goes against nature and that many plants want to be eaten to spread their seeds. So lets have a look at what part of the plant is eaten by animals to spread their seeds, berries, fruits and flowers not the entire plant, so it is able to grow and keep propagating  year in and year out provided the seasons are agreeable . In the case of carrots they are ripped out of the ground  and consumed before they have a chance to go to seed, if propagation is the carrots  sol purpose ,I'm sure given the chance it would prefer to stay in the ground and therefore not be eaten

 

4 hours ago, pi3141 said:

Perhaps you understand him but I don't. If you want to explain it to me great. If not then I have dropped it and didn't hound him about it.  I asked for an explanation and none was given, I accepted it was some throw away comment that he couldn't back up. 

I don't understand him, I don't even know him ,I just read what he had written and it seems logical to me, but what do I know

 

On 6/24/2020 at 10:26 PM, pi3141 said:

How do you know carrots don't want to be eaten - didn't god create them for us to eat?

11 hours ago, peter said:

How do you know god created them? and if he /she/it  did, how do you know it was just for us,they could have been created for something or someone else and we are  just  ripping them off

Just a thought

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by peter

[pi3141]

40 minutes ago, peter said:

I don't remember Mr ride stating might is right, also I missed where he implied it was wrong to eat carrots, as far as I can see he used the carrots as an an-allergy  with no implications of right or wrong. 

 

The 'Might is right' statement was made on another thread, pre hack, and hasn't been restored. I came across the article a short time after and so posted it as it was pertinent to his viewpoint. I didn't want to wait until the thread, if I could even remenber which one it was, was reinstated. If indeed it ever will be.

 

Anyway, carrots. Ok, I see your point, I even think I understand his however I find it a ridiculous statement. I'm not going to labor it, I started writing a whole theological paragraph but then thought 'what the hell am I doing' that and the fact that I can't seem to post on my PC and I'm having to type the whole thing out again on my phone stopped me from bothering.

 

Your last example however that eating food may be against God's wishes is to me an example of self defeating logic. If we're not supposed to eat and we don't then we all die. Again I see myself writing pages arguing from a spiritual and natural order viewpoints why this is wrong but I'm not going to. I'm stopping now.