To our aliens from space believers: Please post your best proofs that they exist, have been here, or have interbred with humanity

[peter]

keep getting blocked  when I quote

[kj35]

I had to remove all links from the quotes 

[kj35]

21 hours ago, THESTRONG-THEVALIANT said:

They are not well know... They are on the wingmakers website

 

Here's the straight link to the pdf files:

 

EDIT: Sometimes when visiting wingmakers.com - your browser shows a message "this site is not safe"... but If you click "I accept the risks" then you're there... I take that as the same kind of thing as the debunking of the truth tellers, like the story of Phil Spencer told in this thread.

 

the music is not bad too and there's quite a lot of it on youtube. for free. the stuff that sounds like Enigma got me all "excitable" Mr KJ has bought the CD's :-)

[peter]

11 hours ago, Messenger said:

The clean scene around animal mutilations suggest to me that it is alien.

 

If it is alien, which I am inclined to believe more, then it makes more sense that they have advanced techniques to drain the blood and cauterize the wound and then drop off the animal without leaving any tracks.

I have read a lot on this subject because I find it interesting, no ,blood, no tracks ,no indication as to how the animal got there,  if the cheek  is removed it is always the left side, but the big one  is there is no predation animals for one reason or another will not feed on the carcass .

I fly RC aircraft  on a private property in Conondale QLD every Sunday anyway one day I was the first one there ,I unlocked the gate let myself in and as I was driving down the track I noticed the black thing on the road side of the fence, I thought it was a large blanket but because of the grass I couldn't tell so I got out to take a look ,it was a  dead cow ,which was nothing out of the ordinary, I could smell the thing so it had been dead awhile . On closer inspection the left side of the cheek and tung had been removed with a sharp instrument ,there was no blood on the ground , there is a big problem with wild dogs in the area but there was no predation as you would normally see , there wasn't even one single insect fly or otherwise on the carcass, there were no footprints or any indication anyone had been there or tampered with the carcass, The ground was sloping towards the fence ,you could see where the animal had slid about 1-11/2 foot by the lay of the grass but was stopped because the bottom rung of the barbed wire fence had gone between the hoof of the back leg , this would indicate  that rigor had already set in because the leg was fully extended , if it had died where it was and slid the the leg would have crumpled under it's own weight , this indicates that the animal  got there some how after it's death.

A farmer came down the road on a tractor so I flagged him down and told him about the cow ,he said a cow had prolapsed while giving birth last night and didn't look like it would survive and he was out looking for it . I walked to the cow with him and he said this isn't the one , his next statement was if the bastards were after meat why only take the cheek and tung, I said my goodbye's and went back to flying

Edited June 21, 2020 by peter

[THESTRONG-THEVALIANT]

3 hours ago, kj35 said:

Jeez this stuff is excellent do you mind me asking how you came by this? .  There's some disinformation there but it is hanging a lot of stuff together. I'm wracking my brain as the time capsules and wingmaker name is so familiar and I can't put my finger on where I've heard it before. 

1 hour ago, kj35 said:

the music is not bad too and there's quite a lot of it on youtube. for free. the stuff that sounds like Enigma got me all "excitable" Mr KJ has bought the CD's :-)

 

Well... in the same way as you essentially - someone showed me (in person) the neruda interview and the music from AAP chambers 1 - 9. It was a part of an Event String.

 

Chamber 7( with the Native American Anasazi vocals ) had the song that stirred my soul - we are not off topic either, this is still "spacetalk" with the Wingmakers.

 

 

 

Edited June 21, 2020 by THESTRONG-THEVALIANT

[THESTRONG-THEVALIANT]

Song from the "Ancient Arrow site" - found in Chamber 07 (from a total of 24 chambers). This is from the time capsule.

 

Edited June 21, 2020 by THESTRONG-THEVALIANT

[kj35]

That's the one !!! The EXACT one out of all of them !! I bought that and number 1 the source

[motleyhoo]

12 minutes ago, kj35 said:

That's the one !!! The EXACT one out of all of them !! I bought that and number 1 the source

 

You would also like Dead Can Dance.

 

[mdx]

18 hours ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

 

Maybe the case years ago, but it seems like the media are starting to push UFO sightings these days.

 

Agree re ufo folklore getting more mainstream attention and a more neutral coverage 

 

But you get my drift as to how the mainsteam media can basically use their propaganda machine to publish information "debunking" anything that does not follow an agenda from the deep state/private corp or undermines certain individuals like the Pizzagate matter . Latest example facemasks ;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53108405

 

[bflat]

14 hours ago, Seeker said:

I’m curious what you thought was disinformation?

They come off "agenty" AF. And the whole "ancient astronauts" thing. I mean I know David has spoken of interdemensional entities, but I believe the ones pushing the idea that they can travel through "space" or come from other "planets" or "galaxies" screams psyop.

 

14 hours ago, Seeker said:

I assume you come from the point of view that aliens are demons?

No, not at all. I have to be able to prove things to myself.

 

18 hours ago, mdx said:

Theres many credible UFO sightings, odd NASA footage, the whole Disclosure Project testimonies and multiple corroborative UFO sighting accounts (Phoenix Lights and the UFO landing at a school in Ruwa, Zimbabwe Africa decades ago).

But have these sightings ever been connected to anything from "outer space?"

 

And no offense, but using a nasa as a source is pretty odd. They have been caught so many times pushing clear deception that it is impossible to trust anything from these liars.

[THESTRONG-THEVALIANT]

Here's some pictures. . . 

 

Sirians & Anunaki... the orchestrators of the Hologram of Deception.

 

 

Non homosapiens skulls discovered.

 

 

Pyramids from the old civilazations.

 

Edited June 21, 2020 by THESTRONG-THEVALIANT

[Given To Fly]

my experience in seeing a non-human entity was of a shapeshifting variety.

 

as i was cycling i got to to the entrance of a street called hampstead park beside where i live in derry (i mention the street name because hampstead is also a place in london where satanic child abuse and rituals were carried out and covered-up, and i don't believe this to be a coincidence especially seeing as i have also witnessed numerous gang stalking activity there too) and a lady, who i have seen many times before over the years, looked at me and gave me a dirty look, so i paused and her face shapeshifted into reptilian-like features and back again in a matter of a couple of seconds.  i immediately thought i was seeing things so i cycled on thinking not too much about it until i got back home to where i thought to myself i'm not going down that rabbit hole. i'd probably been under some mind-control situation to think that as it is something i now shout from the tree-tops.

 

was it an alien ? a hybrid ? shapeshifting reptilian ? demonic entity/fallen angel ? interdimensional being ?
are all these entities one and the same or are there different species of such non-humans.

 

this was one major reason why i got into david icke and reading a book i believe it to have been a shapeshifting reptilian. but how does one become one ? do you initiate yourself, is it generational or can they inhabit who every they want and can body-jump ?

 

i met an old schoolmate a few days ago and he became a born again christian so i told him about this and he said it was the devil making me see her face shapeshift to make me look crazy if i ever preach the word of jesus.

probable, but what is also probable is that it was god himself who shown me that these evil freaks exist.

 

the veil can lift at certain times but what causes it i'm not too sure about as i have certainly not got my 3rd eye open and this is one way to see beyond the veil.

[Messenger]

11 hours ago, peter said:

I have read a lot on this subject because I find it interesting, no ,blood, no tracks ,no indication as to how the animal got there,  if the cheek  is removed it is always the left side, but the big one  is there is no predation animals for one reason or another will not feed on the carcass .

I fly RC aircraft  on a private property in Conondale QLD every Sunday anyway one day I was the first one there ,I unlocked the gate let myself in and as I was driving down the track I noticed the black thing on the road side of the fence, I thought it was a large blanket but because of the grass I couldn't tell so I got out to take a look ,it was a  dead cow ,which was nothing out of the ordinary, I could smell the thing so it had been dead awhile . On closer inspection the left side of the cheek and tung had been removed with a sharp instrument ,there was no blood on the ground , there is a big problem with wild dogs in the area but there was no predation as you would normally see , there wasn't even one single insect fly or otherwise on the carcass, there were no footprints or any indication anyone had been there or tampered with the carcass, The ground was sloping towards the fence ,you could see where the animal had slid about 1-11/2 foot by the lay of the grass but was stopped because the bottom rung of the barbed wire fence had gone between the hoof of the back leg , this would indicate  that rigor had already set in because the leg was fully extended , if it had died where it was and slid the the leg would have crumpled under it's own weight , this indicates that the animal  got there some how after it's death.

A farmer came down the road on a tractor so I flagged him down and told him about the cow ,he said a cow had prolapsed while giving birth last night and didn't look like it would survive and he was out looking for it . I walked to the cow with him and he said this isn't the one , his next statement was if the bastards were after meat why only take the cheek and tung, I said my goodbye's and went back to flying

Holy shit that's crazy that you saw one of the "mythical" cattle mutilations!

 

Good point too regarding predation not taking place in all the cases. The animals know, they have that sixth sense, and really good smell too of course.

[Messenger]

17 hours ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

 

Why leave any remains behind? At the speeds they travel they could dispose of any remains as shark food and zero footprint. Why are they left for us to find?

Good question. Seems to me, and according to what Schneider said, they don't eat the bones.

 

Like Peter said, based on his research, "they" always take the left side of the cheek. This is no different than a human being finding something they like eating and repeating the process.

 

Also, I have read that in many cases the reproductive organs are missing which makes me think that "they" are trying to rebuild the animal elsewhere, genetic terraforming. I guess they like cow meat, I was never a fan of it. A prime rib was ok but I hated picking through the "marble" of fat to get to the meat which I almost always dressed with horseradish sauce. I was never even a fan of filet mingnon, I always opted for king crab whenever my ex and I would go out.

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

1 hour ago, Messenger said:

Good question. Seems to me, and according to what Schneider said, they don't eat the bones.

 

Like Peter said, based on his research, "they" always take the left side of the cheek. This is no different than a human being finding something they like eating and repeating the process.

 

Also, I have read that in many cases the reproductive organs are missing which makes me think that "they" are trying to rebuild the animal elsewhere, genetic terraforming. I guess they like cow meat, I was never a fan of it. A prime rib was ok but I hated picking through the "marble" of fat to get to the meat which I almost always dressed with horseradish sauce. I was never even a fan of filet mingnon, I always opted for king crab whenever my ex and I would go out.

 

How hard would it be to hoax cattle mutilations? Well, if I was a cattle mutilation hoaxster I might do the actual surgery at some secure area then freeze the carcass and use silent black helicopters equipped with very long wire rope hoist and deliver the carcass to the site without disturbing the hoax theatre. If I was inclined to hoax such a thing and gov money and resources were at my disposal.

 

I have lived the past 25 years in a heavily forested area and I socialize with many old timer hunters and trappers and I have still to hear a a story of mutilated deer or any other forest dwellers.

 

What do cows have that would make them particularily interested in them while passing over other just as tantalizing animal species?

 

Note on the method, very rude and impolite leaving the farmer the remains to pickup and not even a thank you note.

 

If its a hoax then the projected image of ingrateful arrogant intruders is part of the programming. The hoaxsters would like us to think they are advanced but uncivilized and ungrateful. If it is not a hoax then, well, fuck right back at them.

 

Like I would come to their world and mess with their food and leave without doing dishes.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Avoiceinthecrowd

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

Are cattle mutilation post mortem examinations independent or does it become classified by its unusual nature and officials control these processes?

[Rolandson]

Watch ancient aliens

[peter]

1 hour ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

I have lived the past 25 years in a heavily forested area and I socialize with many old timer hunters and trappers and I have still to hear a atory of mutilated deer or any other forest dwellers.

 

What do cows have that would make them particularily interested in them while passing over other just as tantalizing animal species

Actually this dose happen to other animals, horses etc and there have been a few cases of this happening to people

Also I have seen weird shit in the sky on three separate occasions once when I was about 8 the second when I was about 13 and the other I was with my wife when we were first married and to this day she doesn't like me talking about it to here or anyone else

Never seen an alien though ,not that I know of anyway

Edited June 22, 2020 by peter

[Avoiceinthecrowd]

22 minutes ago, peter said:

Actually this dose happen to other animals, horses etc and there have been a few cases of this happening to people

 

People found dead with typical mutilation patterns? Inviting rabbit hole.

 

I wonder if insurance companies pay out for cattle deaths said to be ufo related?

 

Cops in two districts where these things happened to cattle were unable to photograph the remains with polaroid film. Pictures invariably came out dark. All attempts at correcting settings on camera were unsuccessful.

 

The carcasses were not approached by the usual predators eager for a big tasty meal. 

[EnigmaticWorld]

We need a list of where most abduction stories take place, if the majority are from certain countries then that could be a red flag. Obviously these stories do spring up around the world, but a lot seem to come from America. Although I guess you could argue that ETs could be mainly interested in nations that are superpowers, but that doesn't explain stories from people in the sticks. Also demographics of abductees would be interesting.

[EnigmaticWorld]

37 minutes ago, Rolandson said:

Watch ancient aliens

 

The show in which any artifact whatsoever is twisted into “evidence” for visitation by extra-terrestrial intelligence. The guy on that show seems to think ancient people were incapable of building anything.

[Messenger]

1 hour ago, Avoiceinthecrowd said:

 

How hard would it be to hoax cattle mutilations? Well, if I was a cattle mutilation hoaxster I might do the actual surgery at some secure area then freeze the carcass and use silent black helicopters equipped with very long wire rope hoist and deliver the carcass to the site without disturbing the hoax theatre. If I was inclined to hoax such a thing and gov money and resources were at my disposal.

 

I have lived the past 25 years in a heavily forested area and I socialize with many old timer hunters and trappers and I have still to hear a a story of mutilated deer or any other forest dwellers.

 

What do cows have that would make them particularily interested in them while passing over other just as tantalizing animal species?

 

Note on the method, very rude and impolite leaving the farmer the remains to pickup and not even a thank you note.

 

If its a hoax then the projected image of ingrateful arrogant intruders is part of the programming. The hoaxsters would like us to think they are advanced but uncivilized and ungrateful. If it is not a hoax then, well, fuck right back at them.

 

Like I would come to their world and mess with their food and leave without doing dishes.

 

I seriously doubt the military would go through with hoaxing a cattle mutilation. You would have to find out how heavy the average cow is and then cross check it with the payload of which helicopter could fly it out. Then figure out how they would get the cow into the harness or hoist without leaving tracks on the ground. Most military and police guys use the typical tactical boots with a very aggressive tread pattern. Why would they even do it? Humans don't drink blood of cows,..well, most don't, but some sickest ones do take the adrenochrome of children. Figure that one out.

 

Other particularly tantalizing animals.... Such as? It's impossible to think like the alien mind. Nowadays I look at cows and I think, why would anyone want to eat them, but everyone is different.

 

If you were in a hurry trying to remain undetected would you stick around to wash dishes? 

[EnigmaticWorld]

22 hours ago, Messenger said:

Nixon served as US president from 1969 to 1974 to give you an idea of how long Kissinger has been telling US presidents what to do. Kissinger is very closely linked to the rockefellers also. The rockefellers, whom have also been kept hidden from the public eye as the mainstream media and cabal whip up race wars and boogeyman viruses to scare everyone into submission. David rockefeller passed some years ago but I believe he is survived by Nelson and a few other brothers. I believe that Nelson rockefeller was head of the US psychological operations department. I found a video on it once and added it to my list only to find it had been deleted a few months later, this was around 2015. There are some books out there that talk about Nelson rockefeller and kissinger working together.

 

The likes of the Rockefellers and Clintons are pushing the disclosure agenda though. If it wasn't for these kinds of folks and MSM pushing this stuff then I might be more open to the idea again like I was when I grew up.

 

 

[Messenger]

37 minutes ago, EnigmaticWorld said:

We need a list of where most abduction stories take place, if the majority are from certain countries then that could be a red flag. Obviously these stories do spring up around the world, but a lot seem to come from America. Although I guess you could argue that ETs could be mainly interested in nations that are superpowers, but that doesn't explain stories from people in the sticks. Also demographics of abductees would be interesting.

South America too.

 

David Paulides wrote a book called Missing 411 that talks about missing people.

[EnigmaticWorld]

Just now, Messenger said:

South America too.

 

David Paulides wrote a book called Missing 411 that talks about missing people.

 

Yes, I said they spring up around the world. I'm talking about where they spring up most though.

 

On another note, Brazil has had a lot of sightings of UFOs recently.