MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Truthspoon said: It was originally covered with polished white limestone casing stones. It is unlikely that it would have originally shown eight sides. How would you know? the 8 sided design is no flaw as its perfectly symmetrical. A builder would not go to that sort of extreme precision just to cover it was a layer that didnt emphasise it. In fact, with a white casing it would have probably been more obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Clearly this is no accident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Moonlight said: its this It is incredible, but such feats were common to the Greeks. The Templars rediscovered ancient Greek and Roman building techniques which had been lost during the 'dark ages'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: Clearly this is no accident The pyramid was never intended to be seen like this. It used to be covered with casing stones. Those spines are probably just the places where the scaffolding or the ramps were placed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: How would you know? I've been there. You can still observe the remaining casing stones at the bottom and top of the pyramid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, Truthspoon said: The pyramid was never intended to be seen like this. It used to be covered with casing stones. Those spines are probably just the places where the scaffolding or the ramps were placed. Why would they do that when the blocks themselves would have been suitable for mounting scaffolding poles? same with ramps. https://curiosmos.com/the-great-pyramid-of-giza-is-the-only-known-eight-sided-pyramid-in-existence/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, Truthspoon said: I've been there. You can still observe the remaining casing stones at the bottom and top of the pyramid. Doesnt prove what you are saying in any way. Im not doubting that it had casing stones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Pyramid of Khafre with top course of casing stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, Truthspoon said: Pyramid of Khafre with top course of casing stones. Who is questioning it having casing stones? Im saying the 8 sides would have probably still been visible with casing stones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: Personally I dont believe that. Jesus said his mission was the redemption of Israel, to turn sinner to back to God. Paul created the christianity we know, with the world saviour, etc. because it was useful to the Romans. Even jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within. I think the whole died for our sins story is just to use guilt as a form of submission. Okay but that's not really an answer. I believe in it or don't believe in it doesn't mean anything. If Paul did write it ... where .. and what was he really saying? Romans 4:25 (this was a particular letter written by Apostle Paul ) ... "He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification." What does this mean? Looking at several translations of this line, it means that ... because human beings are so lost and fallen, Jesus arose on the Earth and suffered with us and then he walked into his own crucifixion to show us something very important - that he was reborn. And so the message to mankind is that there is a "way out", and that way out is to become a real Holy man. Jesus had studied the law of Jews and quoted it frequently, he had done many practices and could heal people with his touch. And so could his students who were also Holy men. So it seems Paul did have the main part to play in the propagation of this phrase, but studying the translation we see it does not mean everybody is just great because Jesus fixed it all. No. It means what I wrote in the preceding paragraph, there is a way out to an eternal life for Holy people; and Jesus has demonstrated it. So yes ... you can celebrate that you are eternal, if you are a Christian ... i.e. somebody who is performing the practices of the church and becoming a Holy man who will be able to heal the sick and be reborn in Heaven. ... now you may not "believe" in all this ... but this is what Christianity is ... and that is what it says in the book. Edited July 26, 2020 by rideforever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, rideforever said: Okay but that's not really an answer. I believe in it or don't believe in it doesn't mean anything. If Paul did write it ... where .. and what was he really saying? Romans 4:25 (this was a particular letter written by Apostle Paul ) ... "He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification." What does this mean? Looking at several translations of this line, it means that ... because human beings are so lost and fallen, Jesus arose on the Earth and suffered with us and then he walked into his own crucifixion to show us something very important - that he was reborn. And so the message to mankind is that there is a "way out", and that way out is to become a real Holy man. Jesus had studied the law of Jews and quoted it frequently, he had done many practices and could heal people with his touch. And so could his students who were also Holy men. So it seems Paul did have the main part to play in the propagation of this phrase, but studying the translation we see it does not mean everybody is just great because Jesus fixed it all. No. It means what I wrote in the preceding paragraph, there is a way out to an eternal life for Holy people; and Jesus has demonstrated it. So yes ... you can celebrate that you are eternal, if you are a Christian ... i.e. somebody who is performing the practices of the church and becoming a Holy man who will be able to heal the sick and be reborn in Heaven. ... now you may not "believe" in all this ... but this is what Christianity is ... and that is what it says in the book. Its well known that the gospel have been partly ghost written anyway. You think a guy who only lived until his 30's really suffered like many people who live in abject misery for a lot longer and without the benefit of special powers? Anyway, Jesus said he is come for the redemption of Israel, not the world. As for holy men I would say spiritually evolved. Belief is not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MarpatV2 said: Who is questioning it having casing stones? Im saying the 8 sides would have probably still been visible with casing stones Unlikely. Unless they specifically shaped the casing stones to create a false spine effect and although this is possible, it is unlikely. Solely because if the casing stones were intended to create an eight sided effect then the base stones wouldn't need to, and since the base stones show this eight sided effect I conclude it's probably an accident of the construction of the pyramid. Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Truthspoon said: Unlikely. Unless they specifically shaped the casing stones to create a false spine effect and although this is possible, it is unlikely. Solely because if the casing stones were intended to create an eight sided effect then the base stones wouldn't need to, and since the base stones show this eight sided effect I conclude it's probably an accident of the construction of the pyramid. Ok, well you believe that. Im keeping an open mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Truthspoon said: It is incredible, but such feats were common to the Greeks. The Templars rediscovered ancient Greek and Roman building techniques which had been lost during the 'dark ages'. Actually the top picture is much better than the others. Its made from a single rock, not lots of smaller ones. Petra has more similarity than the pics you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: Ok, well you believe that. Im keeping an open mind It's just logical. I'll stay logical if that's ok with you. If you're trying to create an eight-sided effect then only the upper visible casing stones would need to be slightly incised to achieve the effect. If anything the real knowledge to be gained here is that the apparent eight sided effect of the lower course of stones gives an insight into how the pyramid was actually constructed... Probably with a high central core, like the Meidum pyramid but with ramps or scaffolds radiating out from four central median points, the presence of these scaffolds would create a kind of lateral bias in the construction which would appear as an indentation which could be remedied by the smooth sloped casing stones. But you missed that. Oh well. Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarpatV2 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Truthspoon said: It's just logical. I'll stay logical if that's ok with you. If you're trying to create an eight-sided effect then only the upper visible casing stones would need to be slightly incised to achieve the effect. If anything the real insight to be gained here is that the apparent eight sided effect gives an insight into how the pyramid was actually constructed... But you missed that. Oh well. If that was true then why have the actual Egyptologists not figured it out? I think the designers were far smarter than you and if they can build it so precisely then something like that is unlikely to be by chance. Anyway, if we dont know what the purpose is of the 8 sides then its a bit preumptuous of you to claim others have nothing to offer. What the issue for you, doesnt agree with your bible narrative or something? Edited July 26, 2020 by MarpatV2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, MarpatV2 said: If that was true then why have the actual Egyptologists not figured it out? I think the designers were far smarter than you and if they can build it so precisely then something like that is unlikely to be by chance. The designers were certainly far smarter than me. I don't deny that for a second. It's an almost supernatural feat of human engineering genius. No one would ever deny that.... though some would deny humanity their rightful dues and usurp their place with aliens or somesuch nonsense. As for what Egyptologists think....well, if we are to trust our destiny and the truth to academics then we will probably end up in a world of lies and deceptions based on the power of influence of special interests.... Oh wait.... er.... Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, MarpatV2 said: Well I have a life you know. Seems like you are full of fear and paranoia. Anyway, why are you trying to stir trouble for me? arent christians meant to be full of love and forgiveness? dont you turn the other cheek? Just remember you from the old days. Though you seem to have mellowed a little. I hope you're happy and doing well I really do..... and I hope your motives here are sincere and honest. I just hope you're not here trying to fish for fresh souls for Satan which was what appeared to be your principal activity on the old forum. Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Given To Fly Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/26/2020 at 5:45 PM, rideforever said: Yes and we have to have answers, because questions don't answers things. Did Jesus die for our sins? What does that actually mean? He said that this generation of sinners would get nothing but the sign of Jonah ... and that you reap what you sow ... and that narrow is the gate leading to Life ... So, is clear that not everybody is going to get to "heaven". And what is "heaven" actually in reality ? .. we have to strip away the vast baggage and come to some simply understanding. "Heaven" is a higher being that is actualised in a person through his spiritual practices which renders him into the world of Consciousness which is outside of the world of animals .. and being there your identity no longer perishes with the body ... it is permanent as it is directly supported by the Source or God. That's an answer. Jesus makes us aware of ascension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illuminator Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 6:24 PM, pi3141 said: I agree with the title, Christianity does indeed seem to in part be taken from earlier Egyptian religions, as well as others. Yes what of his birth, where did those three wise men come from and who and what were they? Jesus was born in the middle east and the bible says the 3 wise men came from the east, well whats east of the middle east? The far east. Were the 3 wise men Buddhists? If not Buddhists what were they? Magicians of some sort? Regarding his lost years, the Buddhists have it that he was with them. Here's a documentary The Hidden Story of Jesus by Robert Beckford, in it the Buddhists claim Jesus was with them in his 'lost' years and studied Buddhism, then he took the teachings back with him. They called him 'Esa' (not sure of spelling maybe Isa) (Go to about 24/25 mins into the video) Well, some mystery school teachings have it that Christians are the lowest level initiate, while Jews are the next level and Hebrews are the highest initiate. So, dunno, maybe Christianity is not the highest level you think it to be. Also, it would seem Christianity or at least Jesus's or rather, the man we call Jesus's teaching, Jesus the Christ or the Christ Jesus depending on whether your talking from a spiritualist viewpoint or a Masonic one, his teachings seem to be heavily influenced by Eastern traditions, so again, saying Christianity is higher than Eastern traditions may be a stretch as Christianity has borrowed from Eastern traditions and others. I agree though it is based on Ancient knowledge - fascinating isn't it? I dunno if it helps with anything but jesus is called Isa/Eesa in the Koran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 23 hours ago, The Illuminator said: I dunno if it helps with anything but jesus is called Isa/Eesa in the Koran. Thank you! Yes he is isn't he. I had forgotten about that. In my translation of the Koran its spelt Isa which could be pronounced eesa like the Buddhists called him. Thanks again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illuminator Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 hours ago, pi3141 said: Thank you! Yes he is isn't he. I had forgotten about that. In my translation of the Koran its spelt Isa which could be pronounced eesa like the Buddhists called him. Thanks again. No worries mate. Its pronounced eesa in the Arabic too no matter the spelling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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