Truthspoon Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, rideforever said: Isn't that what you are saying ... that you don't do any Christian practices? Why are you defending Christianity then? Or .. what specific practices do you do ? Are you the inquisitor? I believe you are mistaking church practises for Christian practises. I have attended mass and found it a delightful example of a Roman Pagan Sun worship ritual. While it is valuable in itself it is not what Jesus taught. That God is a biscuit. The actual words of Jesus on how to behave to each other are all lost in the daft self gratifying ritual. This kind of thing appeals to simple people who haven't the time or inclination to actually discover Jesus for themselves. In fact it is said that most Catholics never even read the New Testament. This is what institutions do. They boil something down until all the nuance and meaning is lost and they have a product they can sell to people. In the Church's case it is Communion and the Trinity. The first is self gratifying mumbo jumbo and the second, the Trinity, is designed to make Christianity seem to be a mystery which can never be understood. This is designed to obfuscate Christianity and render the 'Christian' an obedient sheep who will abandon all rational thought because he thinks that what his religion wants from him. I have already pointed out that The Trinity is from the Kaballah and many of the early church fathers were adherents. I think perhaps you have a certain Pharisaic mindset.... Could this be why you sometimes fall in so easily with the OTO Crowley people when they are here? You crave their sophistry, convoluted Kabbalic systems and orders from on high. I have laid out the facts at great length..... yet you still come at me like a Pharisee.... and you still defend a church which was created from corruption and perfected this art over nearly two thousand years. Are you the kind of person who feels he would be lost without government and institutions telling you what to do? You ought to examine yourself and check what motivates you...... If you find out could you let me know for the sake of interest? Edited July 25, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) @Truthspoon Well, your views seem to me to be boringly conventional ... most people just say the same thing. Probably because those views are sort of a rebellion against the church ... probably people think that they are being daring, or they "know the truth". Right ... but that's not what it means. Because sheeple occupy most of society ... whether it's institutional or anti-institutional ... it's just different herds of sheep. Several herds of sheep think they are Christians, but almost nobody does any practices. Except the Catholics. Probably the Catholics only vaguely know why ... but it doesn't matter. They know enough to do the practices. That is why they are the best Christians ... along with the Orthodox who also practice. I suppose some Protestants like C.S.Lewis are really inspired by Jesus ... but it just doesn't mean much unless you do the practices because those are the things that transform you ... and at the end of the day that's all that counts. It doesn't matter why you do them ... just that you do them. That's what I thnk. And it's amazing the amount of groups that circle around Christianity, either hating it or really promoting it ... but nearly all of these groups don't practice. They are like vultures circling with different theme songs. I suppose I come at it from a strange angle, I've been trained in Vedic, Buddhist, and Chinese spirituality which is where my practices come from ... but I see how Christianity has implemented similar practices in the activities in the Church ... so I can cross check and cross reference them and I find them to be very good. Edited July 25, 2020 by rideforever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) I think you are not interested in the truth but are more interested in the self delusional mental gymnatsics of the Kaballah and that kind of thing. I've been there mate....... been to hell and back and swam across the abyys. And I learned that boring and conventional is good because it is the root of happiness. And happiness should be the goal for any soul living on Earth.... Some people are born into it, others have to go astray and confuse themselves before they realise the truth is simple and shining right in their face every day. Happiness and ease...... And that's where I am now after years of struggle and exploration. Where are you? I think you are still in the struggle but you have lost your way. Your avatar of choppy waters is appropriate..... you are far from the shore of truth. Edited July 25, 2020 by Truthspoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad the lad Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Not getting into the fight because its a topic I can hand on heart say I do not fully know where I sit with myself. I have to say that the above post really does sum it all up though in regards to being happy and what life should always be about if possible. I also agree on Islam being created by Jews (Hebrews, Israelites). The 12 tribes have been backing both sides throughout OUR lifes so what's changed there? It looks like Marpat has flown away? Hopefully he will return and have more to say. My cards marked now...that's for sure! Edited July 25, 2020 by Brad the lad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Truthspoon said: And I learned that boring and conventional is good because it is the root of happiness. Yes ... this is totally wrong, and you would know that if you actually read the statements of any spiritual teachers. Clearly you are looking to ... feel better about yourself, whilst doing nothing to help yourself. Jesus ... Buddha ... Laozi ... so many of them all said the same thing ... if you are even a little sincere you will see the terrible state of things here, of human beings. And anybody who says he is "happy" is blind, blind and drunk and a liar. Unhappiness is the root of the spiritual path, without it you will simply perish. As Jesus said very clearly ... "broad is the road and wide the gate to your destruction and many find it." Do you think he was joking? Does that sound like a joke to you? You say you've been there ... well you haven't gone anywhere. It's so boring. So goddam boring. It's not the atheists that are the worst. It is the "so-called-Christians" who never read anything, never tried anything. All they do is moan about some boring meme going around ... the church this, the church that. They are the sheep of the sheep. Always the same moans ... the same words, memorised and repeated. These are the ones that are really against Jesus's tradition. They don't even have the honesty to say ... "I won't do anything", "I don't read anything", "I just say I'm a Christian to make myself feel better as I slowly die". If there is anything in you that is interested In Jesus's teaching, I suggest that you read what he said and take it literally. And do exactly what he taught. That's my suggestion to you, Mr I've done it all before. Edited July 25, 2020 by rideforever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) It's quite astounding that people think spirituality is about being "happy" .. .or something. Did Jesus spend his time ... going bowling and having barbecues ? Or fighting every single person he met !!! And Buddha ... perhaps he took a short break to Tunisia, and then back for some new wallpaper dharma? No ... he was shocked at the face of the suffering here, so shocked he went into retreat and threw away his castle. He fought the demons of Mara. And afterwards he was silent. Taoism .... people think it's like ... er ... going with the flow man !!! Laozi said that human beings are straw dogs ... they are empty meaningless and burnt up for the parade. People never read anything, they know it all already. Edited July 25, 2020 by rideforever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 If you're not happy in this world you're unlikely to be happy in the next. You can't leave you behind. You have to take you with you...... Cultivating happiness is the greatest most intelligent thing anyone can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) And yes Rideforever....I have been there and done it all and I've got hundreds of thousands of words of proof and several E books on my blog. www.truthspoon.com But you ought to know that by now. I see no evidence that you have learned or experienced anything....except your willingness to suck up to Crowley people with dubious records (possible war crimes)..... I suspect you are on the side of darkness and perhaps you don't even know it. Edited July 25, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 6:29 PM, rideforever said: But perhaps as for the origins it might be worth looking at Persia which has an ancient religion, or possibly pre-ancient Egyptian or Ethipoian material but I don't know it. For instance the Ankh symbol 3000BC. Yes, but you see the Egyptian civilization was another civilization that sprung up out of nowhere with fully formed writing systems and knowledge of Astronomy, building arts. It seems they 'inherited' their knowledge from earlier sources. Where did they get their knowledge from? So I think these mystery religions go way back in time to before the Egyptians but do incorporate, have absorbed or have taken on influences from its journey through time. There appears to be Phoenician influences as well, again, the Phoenicians seem to have had advanced knowledge for their time - it seems they were able to circumnavigate the globe and have stories of going where its daylight all the time. Seems they got around and knew what they were doing i.e the Earth was a sphere and not flat. This was 3000BC!! We didn't accept the Earth was a sphere until 13th century I think, formally recognized in the 15th century was it?? China recognizing the fact int the 17th century? But Islamic scholars had it earlier than the west. I can't be arsed to look it up. But I know we supposedly didn't recognize the Earth was sphere until thousands of years after the Phoenicians, Egyptians and Indians. Its what I think one of the interpretations of 'as above so below' is. That the Earth is a sphere like the other heavenly bodies we see. One of the mystery school teachings. Jesus's name devolves in the Greek or Hebrew, to -' I' the symbol for God and the Phoenician word for fire 'es' 'Jesus - Jes - Ies = I (the Great God) and es the Phoenician for fire - Great God of Fire' So it seems the writers of these mysteries had roots in Phoenician times and Egyptian times but both these civilizations had knowledge beyond that which they should have had for their time, hence they got it from earlier sources. The symbols and knowledge encoded in the mystery religions predates even Egypt. Which again is why I don't think its the Jews at the top of the conspiracy. According to Rev Taylor in Devils Pulpit the term Jew was never meant to designate a race but only a degree of initiation into the mystery religions, the order going Christian, Jew, Hebrew. So the Hebrews are at the top - who were they, these Hebrews, that had knowledge stemming from before Phoenician times and were able to create the religions and secret societies we see nowadays? They are the real spiritual rulers of this world and the originators or propagators of the religions and secret societies and mystery schools. Their knowledge goes way back and is in my view Satanic, hence I believe the grand conspiracy against us is Satanic not Jewish. Some of the players may be Jewish, but really they serve Satan. Doesn't the bible say, the Synagogue of Satan, those that call themselves Jews but are not Jewish. Its in the bible! I know thats a suspect source but even still, its there. So Christianity draws on knowledge or stories that predates Egypt, imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideforever Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 hours ago, pi3141 said: So Christianity draws on knowledge or stories that predates Egypt, imo Gurdjieff said that it goes back to Egypt in a previous unknown Egypt, when it was still a green land. But, although the history may be interesting ... this tradition is to be practiced and through its practice so you reach eternal life ... so no matter where it comes from that is the goal and the priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I will say one thing about the Egyptian civilisation that you may have overlooked. The earliest Egyptian temples would have been made out of wood, and none of these have been preserved. This is why many of the Egyptian temples use motives which seem to resemble natural objects. The early pillars for instance would have been simple palm trunks Also the Egyptian writing system is quite primitive, pictogram systems usually develop into modern writing systems such as our own Alphabet which is based on Semitic pictograms. I just don't know if there was any previous root civilisation like Atlantis which gave birth to the Ancient Egypts..... but I have just not seen any evidence, real or circumstantial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 4 hours ago, pi3141 said: The symbols and knowledge encoded in the mystery religions predates even Egypt. Which again is why I don't think its the Jews at the top of the conspiracy. According to Rev Taylor in Devils Pulpit the term Jew was never meant to designate a race but only a degree of initiation into the mystery religions, the order going Christian, Jew, Hebrew. So the Hebrews are at the top - who were they, these Hebrews, that had knowledge stemming from before Phoenician times and were able to create the religions and secret societies we see nowadays? This isn't true. It disinformation from Apprentice, the Brigade 77 disinformation agent. Christian Hebrew and Jew are all words from three different languages and their independent existence and origin has been testified over the ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) And people believe that Ancient Egyptian civilisation and their architecture just sprang out of no where, but this just isn't true. The oldest burial structures, or Mastabas, are made of simple mud brick, which where then later made of stone, and then from these simple structures the idea of building a stepped pyramid came and then this was further developed into the true pyramid. There are even examples of early pyramids collapsing because they were inexperienced in the optimum angle which is why the so called 'bent' pyramid had an abrupt angle change in order that it didn't collapse like the 'pyramid' of Meidun. The red pyramid predates the great pyramid and has a shallower angle than the Great Pyramid because they were still experimenting with how high they could actually make their pyramids while ensuring maximum stability: Everything the ancient Egyptians did has a clear sequence of progression from primitive forms to advanced forms. Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Truthspoon said: And people believe that Ancient Egyptian civilisation and their architecture just sprang out of no where, but this just isn't true. The oldest burial structures, or Mastabas, are made of simple mud brick, which where then later made of stone, and then from these simple structures the idea of building a stepped pyramid came and then this was further developed into the true pyramid. There are even examples of early pyramids collapsing because they were inexperienced in the optimum angle which is why the so called 'bent' pyramid had an abrupt angle change in order that it didn't collapse like the 'pyramid' of Meidun. The red pyramid predates the great pyramid and has a shallower angle than the Great Pyramid because they were still experimenting with how high they could actually make their pyramids while ensuring maximum stability: Everything the ancient Egyptians did has a clear sequence of progression from primitive forms to advanced forms. Well that's the story Egyptology have concocted ...I don't believe it for one moment .... It seems first came the ET's who constructed the big pyramids for their Earth energy manipulation reasons .... the Pharaohs came after the ET's left and took over the pyramids , re sculpted the lion into a sphinx and built many smaller pyramids of their own .... It's proved beyond doubt the sphinx has water erosion ....hence it and the Giza complex was built thousands of years before the Pharaohs The idea of mastabas evolving into pyramids is pure speculation Edited July 26, 2020 by oz93666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, oz93666 said: It seems first came the ET's that is far fetched.... more like it was humans,advanced but humans some 12k 15k years ago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, oz93666 said: The idea of mastabas evolving into pyramids is pure speculation I'm afraid it isn't. It's is demonstrated by the facts on the ground. Everything you say however IS speculation and not only that but 99 percent total highfalutin' nonsense. Anyway, I came to these conclusions myself from my own exploration of Ancient Egypt when I lived there. It just happens that Egyptologists agree with me. Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, Truthspoon said: The red pyramid predates the great pyramid and has a shallower angle than the Great Pyramid because they were still experimenting with how high they could actually make their pyramids while ensuring maximum stability: i disagre Munck has provideed evidence why this piramyd is built in that way..... i'm also of the opinion that egyptinas enherited pyramids,they didn't "invent" them they did try to "replicate" them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, screamingeagle said: i disagre Munck has provideed evidence why this piramyd is built in that way..... i'm also of the opinion that egyptinas enherited pyramids,they didn't "invent" them they did try to "replicate" them Why are you of those opinions? What is your evidence? Did the Ancient Egyptians also build a pyramid that would collapse on purpose? The difference is, what I am saying makes sense and there is evidence for it. Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oz93666 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, screamingeagle said: that is far fetched.... more like it was humans,advanced but humans some 12k 15k years ago Far-fetched??? ... It's well accepted , certainly by Mr Icke , that at that time the Anunaki openly mixed with and ruled humans , this would have been when the Giza complex was built ...Before the Pharaohs You must have an explanation for water errosion lines on the Spinx there was no rain when the Pharaohs ruled !!! This one fact destroys the official lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Truthspoon said: What is your evidence? i'll try to find Munck video clip,from 4 hours long video Carl Munck "The Code " also when you look at them the oldest pyramids are the most advanced,the younger they are the worst they are, this was comfired by Semir Osmanagic(among others) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screamingeagle Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, oz93666 said: Far-fetched??? ... It's well accepted , certainly by Mr Icke , that at that time the Anunaki openly mixed with and ruled humans , this would have been when the Giza complex was built ...Before the Pharaohs You must have an explanation for water errosion lines on the Spinx there was no rain when the Pharaohs ruled !!! This one fact destroys the official lie anunaki "mix" came after they were build,and after the fallout of the "advanced civilisation" (how advanced,well i think they where capable of interstellar travel,if that fits into your ET group, then i guess we agree) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Truthspoon said: This isn't true. It disinformation from Apprentice, the Brigade 77 disinformation agent. Christian Hebrew and Jew are all words from three different languages and their independent existence and origin has been testified over the ages. Well it comes form the book - The Devils Pulpit. Rev Taylor was a trained and ordained clergy and had access to books we don't - like one of the Freemasons revered books, can't remember which, its in the book but he had a copy and the then head of Freemasonry, the HRH Prince of the time had the other copy of the only known two copies in existence. So Taylor drew from some pretty high sources. I've screen shot the references for you, to show its not disinfo, it is actually written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi3141 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Truthspoon said: And people believe that Ancient Egyptian civilisation and their architecture just sprang out of no where, but this just isn't true. The oldest burial structures, or Mastabas, are made of simple mud brick, which where then later made of stone, and then from these simple structures the idea of building a stepped pyramid came and then this was further developed into the true pyramid. Everything the ancient Egyptians did has a clear sequence of progression from primitive forms to advanced forms. Well some would say you have this backwards. There appears to be evidence that the Giza pyramids were built first and all the others came later and show a decline or loss of knowledge about how to build pyramids. The fact that your theory coincides with accepted Egyptology could be seen as a red flag on the DIF forum, like quoting from Wiki is frowned upon on here. All I know is that guy - Hawass is it, has blocked and refused many archeological requests over the last 20 odd years to explore the pyramids and surrounding areas. So I'm not sure 'accepted' egyptology is to be trusted. There are many books offering theories of the Giza pyramids being built around 10,000 BC and as Oz has pointed out the evidence of water errosion supports that theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, pi3141 said: Well some would say you have this backwards. There appears to be evidence that the Giza pyramids were built first and all the others came later and show a decline or loss of knowledge about how to build pyramids. Well the difference is I went to see for myself. Didn't just read something in a book and get it second hand. And that is also how I learned that there are no images depicting helicopters and speeders on the wall of Abydos Temple. I was one of the first to expose that in fact because I was there back in 2006 and wrote on the Icke forum of the time how it was the royal cartouches of Seti and Ramses superimposed on one another that created those strange images. In the knowledge vacuum all sorts of bullshit can reign. And it doesn't matter whose forum I'm on..... if it's wrong and bullshit it's still wrong and bullshit. Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthspoon Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, pi3141 said: like quoting from Wiki is frowned upon on here. Figured it all out for myself from actually living in Egypt buddy. I also went to Baalbek recently....and demonstrated that there is no massive pre-Roman Temple. The massive Temple structure was built by the Romans. I don't have anything invested which way the wind blows.... but I can observe the truth for myself and just report that. If you want delusions based on ignorance enjoy yourself.... but don't try to shame me into joining you in a dumb ride to no-where. Edited July 26, 2020 by Truthspoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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