Messenger Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Storm in the garden said: I postponed replying to your post initially because I wanted to allow some time to mull over it rather than responding immediately. I agree with some of what you say in your post. I don't abide by any form of animal cruelty yet I still eat meat, which I realize is somewhat of a contradiction. I have considered becoming a vegetarian a number of times but probably due to lack of application on my part haven't got round to it....yet? However, we evolved as 'hunter gatherers' and have survived and multiplied through variations of that diet for the last hundred thousand years or so. I don't think it would be wise to try to change a hundred thousand years of evolution in one generation, and certainly not by some sort of forced transfer from something shown to work to something still in it's infancy. Yes I agree that through greed and ignorance the methodology we have recently evolved into is wrong, but that does not necessarily mean that the basic concept is wrong. I personally believe that John Seymour, who is considered to be the godfather of self-sufficiency had the right balance, you raise animals in their natural environment where they experience the elements throughout their lives, then when the time comes you end it swiftly and humanely. This is a much better ending than most creatures get in nature, where they're either eaten alive, die of starvation, or suffer the slow, painful death of old age. Nature is cruel. Plants are eaten by insects which are eaten by other insects which are eaten by birds which are eaten by predators, which eventually die and are absorbed by plants which are eaten by insects etc. It's all very well talking about birds in trees eating berries, but most of nature is not like that, it's a constant struggle for survival. You see a documentary focused on an antelope, and you're saddened by the antelope being killed by a lion. You see a documentary focused on a lioness and her cubs, and you're saddened if the cubs are dying due to starvation. Well sorry but either the antelope dies or the cubs die. That's the nature of this reality we find ourselves in. When I moved here three years ago, one of the first things I did was get some ex-battery hens. I figured I'd give them a better life of a taste of freedom, and maybe get the occasional egg to boot. I went out one day and one of them was lying bloodied on the ground, the others were essentially pecking it to death. Why? I don't know, but I had to euthanize it myself to put it out of it's misery. Last year I built a raised bed at the top of the garden, then covered it over to suppress any weeds. This year I went up to plant some vegetables and when I lifted the cover, there was a whole micro-system of insects and all sorts of small creatures scurrying for cover. So do I destroy this whole ecosystem to plant some vegetables? There are no simple answers in nature, and everything you do has consequences. You alluded to this next possibility in your post. Do plants feel pain? I remember reading an experiment which showed that through a series of underground hairlike fibers trees have the ability to communicate. I've actually seen these fibers myself when I dug up some ground near trees. So although we may not be able to detect it, do carrots scream in agony when we pull them from their habitat, skin them alive, chop them up and boil them? Cows are not bad for the earth. Too many cows may be bad for the earth, but too many of any species (including humans) are. Nature regulates this by supply and demand. To use your example too many birds eating berries and the berry supply dwindles causing a population drop in birds due to lack of food. The problem occurs when nature is overridden by artificial means. What about the “low frequency” meat eaten by carnivores? Wolves have been eating low frequency meat for longer than humanity has been around? I think any creature being eaten alive must surely be emitting a low frequency, or does low frequency only affect humans? And, what do you propose to do with all the dogs of the world? Should they all be eradicated? There are a lot of people here who would regard their dog or dogs to be part of their family, me included, so what are you suggesting for those carnivores? And please don't go down the “alternative feeding” route by suggesting they can be converted to plant based diets. I know from research and personal experience that dogs require meat, and preferably raw meat. You cannot change a digestive system which has evolved over millennia in a generation. I also think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that people with cancer are simply the victims of their own stupidity. Maybe some are due to their poor eating habits, but there are others who are simply unfortunate. There are many carcinogenic elements exposed by living in today's society to which people have no knowledge of due to information being suppressed. I only recently watched the movie “Dark Waters” about the DuPont Teflon scandal. Are you suggesting those people were victims of their own stupidity merely by using a particular cooking utensil? Nothing is black and white. The problem arises when people presume they have a clear singular solution to a complex set of issues, and wish to force that solution onto everyone. Just as I will not wear a mask or take a vaccine because a small group of people decide that is what I should do, I will not eat bugs for the same reason. Nobody or no one small group has all the answers in my view. I'm not talking about you in this instance because I know that you at least partially grow your own food, but there are people attempting to make decisions regarding food and nature who have never grown a thing in their lives or even walked in a field. It's ludicrous, and they have no right to dictate to others when all they have are vague theories and no experience. So should we adapt a more humane and ethical approach to animal husbandry? Absolutely. Should we adopt a more responsible approach to healthy diet? Of course. Should we seek to enforce our dietary beliefs on the entire world population? No we shouldn't. Storm, I could not agree more with you and in my haste to post the other day I certainly failed to convey all those technicalities you pointed out. For the record I do not have a problem with any person who wants to consume meat or dairy, in fact I still do eat fish and pizza once in a while. My issue is with the slaughterhouses and dairy farms and how those animals are mistreated quite possibly every day of their life. I've seen some very ugly stuff in only two videos, and years ago there was a law passed that said something along the lines of, no person shall film on the premises of a such and such establishment pertaining to dairy or slaughterhouses. This to me is the dark force trying to hide their misdeeds. There are things taking place that humanity does not believe are happening because they can't physically see it, specifically with frequency and energy in a few different industries one agriculture and what we consider "food", and the other the aerospace industry and physics, and I believe that the one aspect of "food" is one of a few reasons in which humanity are so sick, because they are taking in such negative energy from these animals. I'm not talking about small farms where animals are allowed to roam free, that's completely different, but the fact remains that meat is on the acid side of the pH scale as are most of the vegetables humanity have become conditioned to believe are good for them when in fact they are not. Most of what people know about food is wrong, and it seems that many people don't want to admit it because then they would have to change their belief system and behavior and it's more than many people want to do. If most of what people knew about food wasn't wrong, there would be far less sick people in the world. Also, I guess I'm just tired of people wanting sympathy for their cousin, brother, sister, father, mother, friends car mechanic hair dressers daughter who knows a guy who died of some sort of cancer pick one because there is a cancer for everything now since humanity are eating all kinds of chemicals and crap that they don't know what it is and they can't even pronounce the ingredients but who cares let's eat it anyway because it tastes good and the packaging has bright flashy colors and everyone's doing it. I suppose I'm a bad person then for my lack of sympathy to people who are refusing to admit that something humanity have been doing for centuries turns out may not be benefiting us and that's the many things we consider food which actually should not be considered food. Much of humanity's health problems would vanish overnight if they stopped eating certain things. My mother is 66 years young and is always mistaken for my girlfriend when we go out for a drink. She lives in a senior 55+ community and she feels like she doesn't even belong there, most of the people are sick with some sort of ailment. The lady down her hall has told people that she has "blood cancer" and one day while I was visiting my mom I overheard the blood cancer lady taking food advice from the obese lady across the hall. The obese lady was telling the blood cancer lady to eat tuna and more meat! Two of the men at her community building can barely walk they are so large both have mini vans and use walkers and they are the same age as my mom who frequently goes for walks and looks like she's in her mid 50's. It is my belief that there are too many cows on Earth, it's mostly what people eat, I would bet that beef makes up at least 50% of the "food" industry, that and corn. So we are wasting thousands upon thousands of acres of land to grow corn which has zero nutritional value so that we can feed it to cows and pigs which we slaughter to eat which then give us cancer. Then those people go burn themselves with chemo "therapy" to try and get rid of the cancer cells and then they tell their sob story and everyone is supposed to feel sorry for them. Knowledge and experience have brought me past that feeling sorry stage. I mean, it doesn't take a genius to see how wrong that model is, but the allopathic medical industry thrive on people's ignorance to food and the bigger picture because the more people who wake up to how wrong it is, the more corona virus psyops will be needed to scare people back into dependence upon the very system that is killing them. At what point do humanity wake up and say, we are doing this incorrectly. It's the same thing with politics. Humanity are losing the battle because they are doing the same thing over and over again. Yes I believe the fruits and veggies can feel when they are pulled from the ground and chopped up but as you said, nature is cruel and IMO as I said I believe that picking fruits from trees are far less aggressive than piling animals into cages to where they cannot even move for the duration of their life. Nature can be cruel and we need to eat to survive and it is my belief based on the past few years of research and my own eating lifestyle that eating items which are on the alkaline side of the pH scale are far more healthy than items which are on the acid side, and my physical condition and abilities are proof. Humans are certainly different genetically than wolves and other carnivores. IMO humans are not carnivores, we do not have the same kind of teeth for piercing flesh nor the same digestive system to break down meat which is why many doctors have said that the average human being has X percentage of undigested red meat in their gut. Right there that should be enough to turn on that light bulb for meat eaters to reconsider what they are eating, but people can be very stubborn and addicted to their vices. Dogs, I love dogs, I have had several in my life and regarded all of them as family members, my most recent two I regarded as my children. There is an active campaign to spay and neuter cats, just as there is an active campaign to get humans to stop procreating (social engineering with lgbt, and vaccines for two examples). I think we need less dog breeders who are only in it for the money and ego of saying, "pure bred" much like the old bloodline families focus on genetics to keep their lineage "pure", and instead we need more people who adopt dogs and cats from shelters. My last two dogs were adopted and we fed them blue buffalo brand of dog food, which I wasn't thrilled about but their stools were solid and they were healthy dogs overall. Looking back at it if I were conscious of it at the time I would have fed them what my dad was feeding his dog for years, a mix of veggies and meat and eggs. My dad would scramble a batch of eggs and then break up portions into seven meals for the week with a mixture of canned chicken, peas, carrots and rice and freeze it in single bags. She, a Maltese, lived for sixteen years. Overall I believe that humanity find themselves in a predicament caused by several behaviors, and I don't believe that it was a mistake that I was one day guided to understanding that we need more farmers of alkaline food. This would also help humanity take their power back from the corporations and NWO apparatus who are trying to reduce us to nothing. If we have abundant food people would not need to depend on the government or on the corporate grocery industry which is why I so heavily preach about starting a garden and growing food. Lastly, I agree with what you are saying and also, I'm not perfect, sometimes I'm a moron too and I can admit it which is why I call other people a moron from time to time when I see it. People should be free to eat what they want but I think it's important to be conscious and aware of where that "food" comes from and if it actually provides nutrition the body needs. If the "food" people are eating is so nutritious then why are there so many sick people in the world? Thanks for your response, Storm, I hope you have a nice day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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