Food

[Velma]

 

[Storm in the garden]

On 6/24/2020 at 7:17 AM, Messenger said:

I know I probably should not divulge this since of course I run the risk of depleting the supply but y'all who are stocking rice, you're breaking my heart. Rice is so not good for you, white rice anyway, brown rice is ok. But white rice literally absorbs water from the body and acts as a paste in the intestines

 

Hmm...I wasn't aware of this, I must check it out. 

I'm not doubting that what you say is true mind, but I do wonder how China and India combined make up over a quarter of the worlds population and yet isn't their staple rice?

I know we should all strive to eat as healthily as possible, but in a SHIF situation the first priority is going to be that we eat. Even if what you say is true, I still think that rice should have a place in any preppers pantry, due to it's long term storage life, availability, and price. As the old saying goes "Better to be looking at it than looking for it", and the way this world is going that applies to everything food related.

 

On the subject of dehydrating I have one but never used it for myself. That's gotta change.

I bought it primarily to make raw, healthy treats for my dogs ( I pay much more attention to their dietary requirements than my own ).

A few days ago one of my dogs got diarrhoea so I looked it up on an excellent site called dogsfirst.ie, which is run by an Irish holistic vet.

They recommended sweet potato and tuna, and after feeding her for one day on this she's perfectly fine.

Anyway, what I'm taking from this is that it appears that sweet potato seems to be very good for improving the digestive system?

Do any of you knowledgeable dietary people out there agree, because i'm thinking of dehydrating sweet potato going forward, and not just for the dogs but for me also.

 

[Storm in the garden]

"Man does not live by bread alone"

I know the title of this topic is "Food" but I just thought I'd broaden it a little to encompass 'drink' too as in food & Drink 

Unless this whole 'virus' crap disappears pretty soon (highly unlikely) and with it the draconian rules connected to the re-opening of pubs/bars, I cannot see that particular area of society surviving. If you happen to be partial to the occasional social tipple, I think we might have to reinvent the wheel and a return to what we in my country refer to as "Shebeen pubs".

This is where friends and/or family gather in an unlicensed place unencumbered by social distancing rules and regulations to socialize and enjoy the 'craic'.

They obviously want to destroy any sense of 'fun' in society and turn us all into robotic drones so we have to ensure that we keep ourselves 'human' and oppose this dehumanizing aspect of the plan. What better way to combat that than to continue to socialize with friends and family?

You may be teetotal and not approve but my attitude is "my body, my choice" so I'll do what I do and you can do otherwise.

So, bearing that in mind, this is what I'm attempting to do. 

I know alcohol is readily available at the moment but as we've recently seen we can take nothing for granted going forward so my motto is "be prepared", and that applies to every aspect of life which we currently or previously experienced.

So I've taken to producing my own, in my case it's wine cause I'm partial to a glass of vino, but others can choose their own tipple of choice.

I haven't had the chance to taste any of the 'product' yet because it's early days and I'm new to all this but it appears to be 'so far, so good'.

All of the below have been produced from the garden and apart from adding sugar and yeast (and in some cases lemon) the results will work out quite reasonable cost wise (around one euro a bottle).

They are, from front to back...Nettle wine, Rhubarb wine, Elderflower wine, Dandelion wine.

I'm hoping to increase my 'wine cellar' as nature provides the ingredients with Raspberry wine, Blackcurrant wine, Elderberry wine and Blackberry wine

In fact I'll attempt to ferment anything which stays still long enough for me to gather it 

 

Edit: For some reason it won't let me upload a standard Jpeg file of less than 2mb, but you get the gist of it anyway

 

 

 

Edited June 25, 2020 by Storm in the garden

[AndyJ]

I notice from glancing at some headlines there seems to be a very anti-meat agenda in the mainstream media at the moment. All the stories about Covid outbreaks at meat factories for instance. Wonder why that is?

[EnigmaticWorld]

 

 

Should be a warning to youngsters.

[chocomel]

I've noticed that food prices have gone up.

For example, my curry takeaway place updated their menu and now cost extra £1 on each dish.

I went to buy my organic honey and £2 added to a bottle now while many of us don't experience increase in income, some have had to take a substantial cut.

Squeeze from the top and bottom and you are much leaner, not forgetting some had to dig deep in their savings and pension pot etc.

Edited June 25, 2020 by chocomel

[chocomel]

14 hours ago, Velma said:

 

 

I didn't get to watch it through this video.

As I posted above, yes the price has gone up but there is something wrong with his message.

You know it was very negative and fear based the whole way through.

I'm not saying bury your head in the sand and pretend....

Yet there are other possibilities.

How about suddenly you have found a new way of making a living e.g. black market, System-D that more is coming into your household that price increase doesn't affect you and you can maintain your lifestyle or even better...

You don't suddently change the market or the whole world, yet your perspective is changed that you don't manifest negative situation in your life.

This was a video to manifest poverty imo. I need to cleanse myself now.

 

What you see, what you say is what you'll get. BEWARE!

Edited June 25, 2020 by chocomel

[Mitochondrial Eve]

4 hours ago, AndyJ said:

I notice from glancing at some headlines there seems to be a very anti-meat agenda in the mainstream media at the moment. All the stories about Covid outbreaks at meat factories for instance. Wonder why that is?

 

Reposted, in part, from the mega thread.

 

Before the forum hack, and towards the start of the old mega thread, we were speculating on the vegan agenda and that coronavirus is an anagram of carnivorous.

 

Perhaps, with the coming food shortage, a solution will be offered up to us of "sustainable" meat substitutes and GM foods. A way of genetically engineering us? People who may not be inclined to accept a vaccine would, with starvation looming, eat pretty much anything and it could help fulfil the transhumanism agenda.

 

And Bill Gates, of course, has a stake in the "future of food".

[motleyhoo]

I was listening to Coast to Coast one night about a month ago, and during one of the 5-minute news breaks they reported that there was to be expected widespread meat shortages across the US over the coming months because of Covid.

 

Regarding rice being bad to eat.  If I listed out all of the foods I was told were bad to eat, by people who were 100% sure they were right, there wouldn't be anything left for me to eat except grass and sticks.

 

[Storm in the garden]

2 hours ago, chocomel said:

I didn't get to watch it through this video.

As I posted above, yes the price has gone up but there is something wrong with his message.

You know it was very negative and fear based the whole way through.

I'm not saying bury your head in the sand and pretend....

Yet there are other possibilities.

How about suddenly you have found a new way of making a living e.g. black market, System-D that more is coming into your household that price increase doesn't affect you and you can maintain your lifestyle or even better...

You don't suddently change the market or the whole world, yet your perspective is changed that you don't manifest negative situation in your life.

This was a video to manifest poverty imo. I need to cleanse myself now.

 

What you see, what you say is what you'll get. BEWARE!

 

I don't agree. I watched the entire video and all he's really doing is outlining the situation regarding the supply lines and that coupled with the possibility of reduced income may affect peoples ability to obtain food. I think he has a valid point.

What he's saying is that people new to prepping should prioritize food acquisition in preference to other areas of preparation such as security.

I don't think the situation is great in the US as they have the added issue of social unrest to go with the already damaged food supply logistics.

He's not advocating that you should save the market or the world, just to do what you think is best for you and your family. Sound advice IMO.

Positive energy is good for your mental health but it's not going to put food on the table.

"Hope for the best but prepare for the worst" would be my attitude to the whole mess we find ourselves in.

[Michi713]

Wanna hear something gross about fake meat?
 

From the book Foodopoly by Wenonah Hauter: p. 275

 

”growing meat in a Petri dish...NASA funded Morris Benjaminson who used strips of muscle from a goldfish kept in a liquid bath of blood from unborn calves to produce ‘meat.’”  

p. 276 “If test tube meat hits the big time, we will likely know by its appearance in a Big Mac or when agribusiness buys the patent holder.”

[motleyhoo]

How many people would eat a steak grown in a vat of bloody liquid?? Of course, you first have to educate yourself on where your food comes from and most people today score an 'F' on that.

 

[chocomel]

1 hour ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

I don't agree. I watched the entire video and all he's really doing is outlining the situation regarding the supply lines and that coupled with the possibility of reduced income may affect peoples ability to obtain food. I think he has a valid point.

What he's saying is that people new to prepping should prioritize food acquisition in preference to other areas of preparation such as security.

I don't think the situation is great in the US as they have the added issue of social unrest to go with the already damaged food supply logistics.

He's not advocating that you should save the market or the world, just to do what you think is best for you and your family. Sound advice IMO.

Positive energy is good for your mental health but it's not going to put food on the table.

"Hope for the best but prepare for the worst" would be my attitude to the whole mess we find ourselves in.

 

It's ok if you didn't register. I said that situation won't change, in fact you can't change other people and your outer world. But changing your perspective will change the course of one's life so I am more aware of black magic being played here. Many people have been brought up in a way that to plant a fear in the form of well meaning warning is an action out of love.

It's how you say it. The best way to bring down people's vibration, to cast a black magic, is to make them depressed....their life will spiral out from there onwards.

It's easily done with NLP and stuff and there are many of that about in media....you only have to look at mask wearing people. It works.

 

[rideforever]

It's a good time to simplify your diet for health and financial reasons, and Aldi is the best supermarket in the country.

[Storm in the garden]

1 hour ago, chocomel said:

 

It's ok if you didn't register. I said that situation won't change, in fact you can't change other people and your outer world. But changing your perspective will change the course of one's life so I am more aware of black magic being played here. Many people have been brought up in a way that to plant a fear in the form of well meaning warning is an action out of love.

It's how you say it. The best way to bring down people's vibration, to cast a black magic, is to make them depressed....their life will spiral out from there onwards.

It's easily done with NLP and stuff and there are many of that about in media....you only have to look at mask wearing people. It works.

 

 

So, do you agree with his assessment that there is a likelihood of impending food shortages, but take issue with his presentation, or take issue with the presentation and also dispute his assessment?

It's an important distinction to make because I've heard a number of people on alternative media make the same assessment, and while I don't watch MSM I've not heard of them reporting of possible food shortages. So irrespective of him, do you believe the potential for food shortage exists given the current conditions? 

[chocomel]

25 minutes ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

So, do you agree with his assessment that there is a likelihood of impending food shortages, but take issue with his presentation, or take issue with the presentation and also dispute his assessment?

It's an important distinction to make because I've heard a number of people on alternative media make the same assessment, and while I don't watch MSM I've not heard of them reporting of possible food shortages. So irrespective of him, do you believe the potential for food shortage exists given the current conditions? 

 

It is just my opinion ok....

3 months ago, before the lockdown, there was no food shortage in the West.

Within 3 months, we didn't increase a number of population drastically.

Granted that people may be buying more....though we don't know for sure because supermarkets seems to be fully stocked up as per pre-lockdown now.

I've read on Beebs that there is an impending food shortage of some sort....mnnn meh...

2nd WAVE IS coming....mmnn meh...

imo, it's all planned 'scarcity'....like the 'pandemic' we didn't have. They have to keep going with the fear factor.

 

tbh, his presentation of fear raising put me off. If I was presenting it, I would have wrapped up in two sentences to say "OK, I think there may be a food shortage on the horizon. Here is my plan and you could either follow or think of your own plan." However, he went on and on with the problem, not offering any hope or solution.

Same scenario but do you see the difference? Which is more helpful to people and loving? Seriousness really brings down the vibes as well. At least David has a sense of humour and after having said all the facts he'd say...it hasn't happened yet, meaning that we still have the power to stop it.

[Mitochondrial Eve]

Just been catching up on the video @zarkov posted yesterday about how the COVID-19 vaccine could be used to genetically modify the population by altering our DNA or RNA. (I tried to quote you zarkov but kept getting blocked...).

 

Relevant to this thread is that, at the end (41:55), Spiro covers the article 'GMO tomato as edible COVID vaccine?' (link below) which I would suggest is evidence of how GM foods could be used to genetically modify us. If a vaccine can do so, why not a vaccine contained within GM food?

At the very least, they are looking at the possibility of delivering a vaccine via GM food which may help explain the anti-meat agenda and the encouragement to turn to "sustainable" foods.

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/05/gmo-tomato-as-edible-covid-vaccine-mexican-scientists-work-to-make-it-a-reality/

 

[Storm in the garden]

18 minutes ago, chocomel said:

It is just my opinion ok....

3 months ago, before the lockdown, there was no food shortage in the West.

Within 3 months, we didn't increase a number of population drastically.

 

Oh that's cool, I was just curious is all

 I agree about the fear factor thing. Most people remember 9/11 but forget for about the 3 years before that when we had Y2k in the run up to the millennium. Planes were going to fall from the sky and nuclear reactors were going to meltdown because of computer failure. Since then it's been terror attacks and bird flu and swine flu and SARS etc.

 

I do however think that food shortage is a distinct possibility. There are lots of reports of meat processing plants closing,  and we know that the plan is to convert the population over to lab "meat". Also if not enough are brainwashed by their social media and MSM, the ultimate weapon to control people is food.

The other thing is that the hidden effects of lockdown are going to take time to filter down. There are a lot of factories and farms which may never reopen.

I suppose time will tell but personally I'd prefer to be at least a little bit prepared.

I do agree though that he wasn't the most jolly and upbeat presenter in the universe 

[motleyhoo]

They know exactly how to do this, because this is what they have been doing with GMO corn, and with Glyphosate designed to kill everything green, marketed along side crops designed to be immune to Glyphosate.

 

[chocomel]

2 hours ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

Oh that's cool, I was just curious is all

 I agree about the fear factor thing. Most people remember 9/11 but forget for about the 3 years before that when we had Y2k in the run up to the millennium. Planes were going to fall from the sky and nuclear reactors were going to meltdown because of computer failure. Since then it's been terror attacks and bird flu and swine flu and SARS etc.

 

I do however think that food shortage is a distinct possibility. There are lots of reports of meat processing plants closing,  and we know that the plan is to convert the population over to lab "meat". Also if not enough are brainwashed by their social media and MSM, the ultimate weapon to control people is food.

The other thing is that the hidden effects of lockdown are going to take time to filter down. There are a lot of factories and farms which may never reopen.

I suppose time will tell but personally I'd prefer to be at least a little bit prepared.

I do agree though that he wasn't the most jolly and upbeat presenter in the universe 

 

Have a little bit of stash for your peace of mind so that you can sleep but ideally have faith. It's not mere positive thinking.

You really create what you focus on, be it negative or positive experience, the choice is yours.

It is really powerful and I would like more truthers to start manifesting so that we can strenghen and have leverage in our direction.

 

[Messenger]

Hi @Storm in the garden, please by all means look into rice.

 

Have you heard of this neat trick?... if you have dropped your cell phone in water accidentally the remedy to dry it out is to put it in a bowl of rice. This is because the rice will absorb the water and moisture.

 

Quinoa keeps great, I have had new bags in the freezer for months, opened a new one to eat and it is fine.

 

Rice may be a staple in China, I have never been there and I don't know any Chinese people to ask them what they eat full time, but they don't seem to be very healthy to me if they are eating so many different animals and accepting socialism, and their shark fin fishing is devastating the shark population and throwing off the natural balance of the ocean. In fact, China is lucky that I'm not a millionaire because if I were I would probably hire snipers to take out shark fin fisherman.

 

 

 

 

I am not Chinese and I'm not Peruvian either, but quinoa is alkaline and I feel great after I eat it, it's light and neutral mild nutty flavor can be mixed with fruit or veggies or other nuts and seeds, it doesn't bind up in my like rice does. I do enjoy sushi once in a while but whenever I eat it I am constipated for the next two days. Not that you wanted to know that. 

[zarkov]

@Mitochondrial Eve

 

Hi Mitochondrial Eve, 

I havent had chance to go through this thread so forgive me if I am writing out of context to this thread, but off the top of my head with regard to genetically modified foods I am not sure that they have the the ability to do that.

Even with end stage cripser technology they would  have difficulty. They still have to isolate specific genes that are supposed to perform a specific function in the first instance, ie before they begin to venture into this aspect they would have to isolate/purify, characterise, repeat then devise a method of insertion specific to a point which I dont think they can do, which I will explain later.

The real function in my limited opinion is to use foods as a vehicle to create mineral imbalances first and foremost because crops are grown in soils that are chemically fertilised & generally only get NKP and CaCo3, the soils are depleted of useful levels of other essential minerals that build health, like sulphur & magnesium primarily, but other trace minerlas are also now generally low. The second function is to induce low level accumulative toxicity via chemicals like roundup (glyphosate) which has been shown to damage connective tissue (importantly intestinal and blood brain barrier) and induce mineral imbalances particularly the buildup of iron (esp oxidised iron which encourages pathogenicity), not only in the crops but also in the body once consumed. As you probably are already aware glyphosate is of the organophosphate family and shares characteristics with DDT. Companies like Bayer and monsanto have been experimenting with variations on the public for decades particularly in USA.

The significance of using chemical fertilisers became evident in the early 50's and was due to the scorching effect it has on the soil which is destructive to bacteria and fungii that exist in the soil  which aid sulphur bioavailability among other minerals to crops. Sulphur is a major mineral in the body alongside magnesium, Sulphur (S) is present in all cells and forms the foundation of our detoxification system and Magnesium (Mg) is no less important - research has shown over 3300 binding sites (not the mere 300 as promoted) in the body for Mg and additionally S is a major component of connective tissue and cell membrane permeability & robustness which also improves hydration. 

So when you combine the effects S and Mg deficiencies & introduce Glyphosate, you end up with a wide open door to all manner of conditions esp digestive (crohns, IBS diverticulitus etc).

Stomach acid and digestive enzymes generally break foods down to basic protiens, sugars and fats for absoption via the small intestine, bile saponfies the fats improving digestion.

From what I can gather many of the digestive issues stem from the overuse of chemical pesticides, often crohns and ibs sufferers also suffer from what they label perforated gut which is microperforations and inflammation of the smal intestine and sometimes large intestine.

If so called immunisation were to be imparted from gm tomatoes, then the protein sequences would have to remain intact and pass through the intestinal membrane which I dont think is generally possible as they are effectively broken down  by digestion.

90% of our immunity is also recognised as emminating from our gut microbiome. Undigestible pesticides would certainly effect gut bacteria balance and would this would definately have an effect on our immunity!

I would say that the concerns over GM foods is not that they may be modified as the basic protiens generally get broken down quite effectively. The grave concern is the chemicals that they are treated with and the effects that they have of on the body as they cause  mutation of gut bacteria hence bacterial imbalance and  also when these chemicals are absorbed into the body cell membrane and connective tissue damage as mentioned.

So, I feel that GM is slight of hand on the part of industry and most people have no awareness of how this plays out.

I noticed that Dr kaufman did not comment in any detail on this. He definately will be aware that the immediate danger would be through vaccination as it bypasses the digestive barrier altogether and that is where the assault takes place, in the body - via injection - GM food chemicals will enhance the damage of these chemicals to our body.

Around 2010 I emailed the Perth group and Professor Elani Papadopulos sent me an article her group had published that demonstrated the universal inconsitencies re: genetics specifically the human genome project but related to other areas too -  Genetic findings and characterisations vary considerably all (there is no consensus agreement) over the globe but is presented as being complete, finalised and reliable but it is anything but that!

Human and plant genetics  are a crap shoot - the best they do is cause genetic damage and that is what they call genetic engineering!

One former botanical geneticist informed me that if you fired a brick from a cannon at a wall a mile away in the hope that it would help in the construction or replace part of the material of the wall then you have a good idea of the stage of advancement that exists within the field of genetics.

If they can replicate the damage then they will claim some sort of consistency and couch it in a way that displays some sort of errant expertise but the reality is they are all merely cogs in  chemical/pharmacuetical industry machine. Chemical/Drugs salesman - thats clearly not what Dr kaufman signed up for and he shows integrity and conveys that, as does his colleague Dr Cowan. Some are still invested in their process but thats cognitive dissonance.

Earlier comments by Dr Kaufman and Cowan on how they had to get their affairs in order to leave the profession illustrates the difficulty they have esp financial constraints!

Many of these experts are however excellent at hybridisation in plants which can be construed as GM (the old fashioned way!) and embryology in animals and cloning.

They are experts in chemistry and as we can see they use this to full effect.

The mexican geneticist mentioned has likely hybridised yet another strain of glyphosate resistant tomatoes. The chemicals being the damaging factor!

Malnutrition, Chemical/metal toxicity and EM radiation - As far as I am concerned represent the greatest danger to humans en-mass.

Add authoritarianism to that too !  :) 

[Messenger]

13 hours ago, motleyhoo said:

I was listening to Coast to Coast one night about a month ago, and during one of the 5-minute news breaks they reported that there was to be expected widespread meat shortages across the US over the coming months because of Covid.

 

Regarding rice being bad to eat.  If I listed out all of the foods I was told were bad to eat, by people who were 100% sure they were right, there wouldn't be anything left for me to eat except grass and sticks.

 

I don't care if you don't listen to me Motley but I don't have RLS or any other issues going on and I've been eating this way for years.

 

Last fall I went to visit a friend in another state whom I hadn't seen in about five years since I moved back to my home town across country, and when I arrived and began to settle in and proceed to make my breakfast and dinner every day, they non-stop made fun of me for eating strictly vegetarian alkaline. His wife's sister was so mean and unhappy, she worked in a rehab clinic prescribing patients big pharma drugs and who thought she was hot shit for getting a promotion to $90k/yr.

 

What did they have in their fridge and pantry? Rice, beans (starch = no nutrients), frozen vegetables, the typical acid hybrids - broccoli and orange carrots, and frozen meat. In the fridge, that ranch dressing that literally will not rinse off of dishes unless you scrub it or use a strong cleaner like Dawn dish soap (that is also coating the inside of your intestines and organs preventing any actual nutrients to be absorbed and used preventing being converted into cells and energy), the typical sugar heinz 57 ketchup, meatballs, yogurt, cheese, wine, tons of butter, and various sauces. I had the last laugh, a week before I left she had to go to the hospital one night to have her appendix removed. Not that I was laughing, because I wasn't, it was more a vindicated than anything.

 

But please, keep eating rice, more quinoa for me. Quinoa is not a stick and it is not grass, it is a seed. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Messenger

[Storm in the garden]

 

2 hours ago, Messenger said:

Messenger

 

Hi Messenger (I'm not completely tech savvy and haven't figured out how to highlighted someones name )

I'm writing this while eating a bowl of muesli topped with hemp seeds, my own organic strawberries and raw milk which I've recently sourced locally.

Yesterday I had a lunch of my own organic lettuce and my own hens free range egg, and the day before used my own organic cabbage, so I'm trying

I'm less than three years at this growing lark with zero previous experience so it's a steep learning curve for me, especially as I'm determined to grow everything organically and there are quite a few crawly things and flying things who want a piece of the action.

But I'm learning from previous mistakes and it's starting to come together now and this year I hope to have quite a bit of organic fruit and vegetables.

I know I won't ever be entirely self sufficient and I'll have to buy in part of my food needs, but I'll know that at least part of my food intake will be natural.

I have no confidence in vets either who all appear to be agents for big pharma so I'm treating my dogs with natural remedies too which seems to be working out really well.

So I am trying to eat healthily....really

 

I'll check out the quinoa and most likely give it a go (are you sure you're not on a commission?)

The only problem I have with it is the freezer aspect. 

This might sound ludicrous (but if I had described today's world four months ago everyone would have thought me crazy) but there may be a stage in the future where we have no or limited electricity thus rendering the freezer useless.

And in that type of scenario....well dare I say it?.......that much maligned bag of rice might actually come in handy 

 

 

[EnigmaticWorld]

31 minutes ago, Storm in the garden said:

Hi Messenger (I'm not completely tech savvy and haven't figured out how to highlighted someones name )

 

Put an '@' before the name.