Food

[chocomel]

3 hours ago, kj35 said:

It makes me think it's like a flag to those in the know. Ie " prepare " we've moved to the next stage and you have a 3 year window before no meat...worldwide droughts etc.  It's like they do it small-scale but enough to be noticed then pull back so the masses stop worrying about it and preparing but it's enough of a signal to the other elites .

 

Who would have thought KFC and McD will be shutting down?

Prospect of becoming vegan....is unappetising.

 

Anyway, BBC has been running an article about food shortages so I think they are trying to start another shenanigans. It's all planned.

I had my first Indian takeaway since the lockdown and they've priced thing up to compensate the loss. I don't blame them...they need to survive.

 

The problem with stockpiling is that aside from pasta, rice, tinned food (which isn't that great but will do...) many things that we need are perishable.

I know there was an excellent prepper thread in the old forum "How to" and people bought tight seal buckets, mylar bags, vaccuum sealing etc..... But again, you need extra room....

So you'd have a hydroponic garden in one room and stock room the other. If you live in less than 3 beds for one person then you are fucked.

[Storm in the garden]

13 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

everything else is blighted with a blackness that I think is some kind of fungus. I'm not quite sure what's causing it. Maybe you green fingered folk could advise?  

 

 

Is it on a variety of vegetables? Sounds a bit strange if it is because usually diseases to plants are variety specific although I'm no expert.

15 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

I make my own yogurt

I attempted making a GcMAF yogurt last night as a super immune system booster but I had no yogurt yeast so I just put some dollops of natural yogurt in .....haven't tried it yet cause I'm a bit iffy about it

 

19 minutes ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

And a bee hive - I really want a bee hive!

I have a book buried somewhere about building a top bar hive. It cost very little to make unlike the conventional set-up and bees apparently like it because it's more natural for them, but never got round to building one...yet

[motleyhoo]

8 minutes ago, ZuZu said:

I think any food shortages will effect Africa and places in Asia the most. However, these food shortages would be used as a form of control within first world nations. Which is probably the goal at the end of the day.

 

They could very easily create widespread shortages throughout the US, UK, Europe, Australia, and all they have to do is a simple psy-op preying on the people who have a propensity to hoard.  They already did this with the pandemic and I believe it was a test.  You walk into any store here in the US right now and you're likely to NOT find any paper products, rice, beans, and a about a dozen other essentials.  It's not because those things are not available, it's because a small group of people are hoarding them, going in the stores over and over and buying all of these things up because they're filled with fear.

 

[Orange Alert]

2 hours ago, motleyhoo said:

I want to say that over the last 3 months I have watched more and more food disappearing from store shelves and not being restocked.  I have actually had to adjust to this because many of the items that I buy every week are not there now.  The store manager says it's just "disruptions in the supply chain".  Given the physical/social uprising taking place and the now obvious subversive effort by a hidden hand that was carefully planning and building until right at this time to implement Marxism and Technocracy over all of us, I have been contemplating taking steps for long term survival and defence.  Survivalist food is expensive, but might be prudent at this time.  It's easy to say "grow a garden", but when people get hungry they're going to walk onto your property and take what they want.  I have weapons and ammo, but not a defensive plan.  I have the ability to purchase body armour, and I am even thinking of getting that.

 

Freeze dried, survivalist food is expensive, but it is light weight, takes up little space, easy to cook with boiled water and in tin form has a 25 year expiry date.  I have my original stock which I bought at the time of the financial crash of 2008 (2 month's rations) and it has been sitting there, tucked away, on stand-by and early this year when I saw what was happening in Wuhan and the possible dangerous secondary effects of the scamdemic, I doubled my last resort back-up food supply. However, my first line of defence has been keeping a minimum of a month's worth of dry and tinned food.  Even if you buy 1 week's supply of freeze dried food it is sitting there like a fire extiguisher for that possible emergency.  I have a ceramic water filter and a Kelly kettle (stainless steel) which uses twigs, dry grass, pine cones, paper to quick boil water for the absolute SHTF scenario.  Also with my food stock, I do consider being able to give something to my neighbours, who will be less prepared.

 

 

Edited June 19, 2020 by Orange Alert

[Storm in the garden]

15 minutes ago, chocomel said:

The problem with stockpiling is that aside from pasta, rice, tinned food (which isn't that great but will do...) many things that we need are perishable

 

I think it's more a case of "desire" rather than "need"?

In a 'trying to get by' or 'survival' situation we will find that what we really need is food, and anything else is a welcome bonus.

Vast swathes of the Asian population have managed on a diet of mainly rice for centuries. 

What keeps you alive is first priority, what's appetizing comes a distant second.

[Storm in the garden]

12 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

 

Freeze dried, survivalist food is expensive, but it is light weight, takes up little space, easy to cook with boiled water and in tin form has a 25 year expiry date. 

 

It's ideal for a bug-out situation because of it's light weight, but I'm still not convinced of the cost. If it works for you then great.

However if we're still in a SHTF situation in 25 years time then we're in some really heavy shit, and the only ones alive will be the elite and a handful of preppers.

Having said that rice and oatmeal will both last 20yrs if stored in airtight containers, and all you need for them is boiling water too...and atm they're readily available and cheap.

Some of the tins I bought have a 5 year BB, and it's reckoned they might last another 3-5 years after that.

I found a forgotten can of stew the other night that was two years out of date and out of laziness I had that....I'm still here

[Orange Alert]

Replace the term fall-out with "COVID" and fall-out room for "in your home during the lockdown".

 

 

 

[Storm in the garden]

32 minutes ago, motleyhoo said:

You walk into any store here in the US right now and you're likely to NOT find any paper products, rice, beans, and a about a dozen other essentials.  It's not because those things are not available, it's because a small group of people are hoarding them, going in the stores over and over and buying all of these things up because they're filled with fear

 

As the guy said in the video at the start of this thread, there are blockages in the supply system. He also mentioned that Vietnam are not exporting food and I think they're a big supplier of rice and I'd imagine other countries are doing similar. If a small group are hoarding them, wtf are they doing with them? Ordinary people can only store a certain amount. I think it's much more likely that food supplies are drying up due to a number of factors listed in the video rather than some 'small group' of super-hoarders scouring the nation for loo rolls and beans?

That sounds to me much more like the politicians and MSM blaming another group for the mess they themselves have created, a "point the finger elsewhere" exercise.

[Orange Alert]

1 hour ago, chocomel said:

 

Who would have thought KFC and McD will be shutting down?

Prospect of becoming vegan....is unappetising.

 

Anyway, BBC has been running an article about food shortages so I think they are trying to start another shenanigans. It's all planned.

 

Anything which the BBC says is well dodgy. Are they getting us prepared for Soylent Green food? 

 

[chocomel]

1 hour ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

I think it's more a case of "desire" rather than "need"?

In a 'trying to get by' or 'survival' situation we will find that what we really need is food, and anything else is a welcome bonus.

Vast swathes of the Asian population have managed on a diet of mainly rice for centuries. 

What keeps you alive is first priority, what's appetizing comes a distant second.

 

That may be so. Oirish people survived just on potato but ideally you want to have balanced veggies at least, not just boiled pasta or rice though we don't have to come to that point.

I've trowed through pickling videos. You can buy tinned tomato/pasata for pasta, soup etc now and that will keep a year or two.

You can pickle carrots, garlic....now garlic is an interesting one. I found out that Iranian people pickled it in vinegar and not opened for 7 years!! It's like a delicacy. I know it's going to be a long journey but I'm going to try this to see how it will taste in 7 years. I have preserved sour plum and it will be ready in July but will last for ever as it is preserved in salt. You can make salt lemon and that's delicious in chicken meal etc.... I think I'll start pickling again. I found that putting veggies in freezer and your freezer gets full quickly. I think people have bought a send fridge/freezer during the lockdown and all the cheap ones were sold out for ages. If this is going to be a long term then we will need to adjust now and learn.

[chocomel]

29 minutes ago, Orange Alert said:

 

Anything which the BBC says is well dodgy. Are they getting us prepared for Soylent Green food? 

 

 

I didn't even read the article but if they say "Are we heading for food shortage?" then it must be.

[Storm in the garden]

28 minutes ago, chocomel said:

Oirish people survived just on potato

 

Er, not really....out of a population of 8.5 million we lost 3 million either through starvation or emigration in "coffin ships" over a five year period due to potato blight.

 

35 minutes ago, chocomel said:

I think people have bought a send fridge/freezer during the lockdown

 

Maybe not ideal. There could be a possibility of "power cuts" due to staff issues during 2nd wave Coronavirus maybe?

Although they may decide against that because people wouldn't be able to access their terror-vision in the sitting room or charge their spy-phone, sorry iPhones.

 

Are you sure you're not that dude in "The Five Year Engagement"?

• • • 00:33:14 Welcome to the team, dude.

    • 00:33:16 TARQUIN: I've pickled everything, really.

    • 00:33:18 I've pickled beets, pickled peanut butter.

    • 00:33:23 I pickled a sandwich. I pickled batteries.

    • 00:33:26 I pickled weed.

    • 

 

 

[Tinfoil Hat]

2 hours ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

Is it on a variety of vegetables? Sounds a bit strange if it is because usually diseases to plants are variety specific although I'm no expert.

I attempted making a GcMAF yogurt last night as a super immune system booster but I had no yogurt yeast so I just put some dollops of natural yogurt in .....haven't tried it yet cause I'm a bit iffy about it

 

I have a book buried somewhere about building a top bar hive. It cost very little to make unlike the conventional set-up and bees apparently like it because it's more natural for them, but never got round to building one...yet

 

It's happened each year. Everything seems to be thriving, then almost overnight, everything goes black. I'm thinking it's a kind of mould because it marks the whitewashed walls. I think it might be that there's not good air flow or something, but I'm not sure.

 

The hive idea might be suitable for a small yard. I do have some flowers planted, and lemon balm, which they love (and I do too). I'll look into it.

[Brad the lad]

Another thing to add to the list is dehydrated veg. It lasts 2 years on the packets best before dates but you can get a decade out of it once stored properly. It's very healthy compared to anything else long term . Once it's wet it triples in the size. Best thing is it's healthy compared to tins. No metal involved and no added salt. You lose very little minerals and vitamins in the veg when it is dehydarted. You also don't have to depend on electric (unlike frozen veg or frozen food in general). About £15 for 2kg on the net.

 

Water is the big one though. Droughts are immenent and even if you live by a spring you could be in trouble. In the city the options are even more limited....

 

You can install an RO (reverse osmosis) water system. I mentioned on another thread that it is the only process that removes almost all the fluoride.

If you are getting one then make sure it's one with a booster pump even if you have good water pressure already (because when they reduce the water pressure/flow rate at the water board you will have all bets covered). You can install the booster later if it's required when they  pull that move on you further down the line.  Also it needs to be at least a 6 filter system (these filters cost around £50 to £100 a year and you can change these yourself). The system is quite simple to install with some plumbing knowledge required. You can buy the sets on EBay for £170 and it's worth socking up on filters as well.

 

They are already frying our pineal gland so lets not let them calcify it as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alnitak]

I suggested Vernon Coleman for London Real about 2 weeks ago, maybe a few others can suggest him too as i think he would be fab. I also think he is perfect for the unbelievers to listen too as he is gentle but gets the points across so nicely. 

 

Nuts and seeds are a good way to go if meat gets £££ or in short supply. Was limited amounts of fresh meat around at the start of lock down. We might see more shortages with these processing plant closures.

 

I want to grow food but limited garden and no sun at all from October and no space indoors. Any suggestions? About half of the UK population living in flats or rented without a real garden to use. Not much space for stock piling, even tins? What can be done?

 

One thought i have just had is to get other family members to hold some of my stock pile, which i am going to try to go with, like some tinned stuff. But that would only work when you have like minded family to ask.

 

But any other ideas welcome? 

 

Depending on what happens with Brexit will depend on our ability to obtain a lot of fresh fruit n veg. We import so much stuff from Spain. They have built huge areas of growing crops all year round we are literally dependent on their salad stuff in the winter and even in the summer. If europe gets short will they give them priority over us in the event of brexit? Especially in a no deal situation, surely germany and france will be prioritised as they would not bite the hand that feeds them. Its food for thought at the moment. Anyone in the UK with enough space to grow surplus to their requirements must start now. Erect greenhouses and get it on the go, even to just sell to a few neighbours, we have to prepare any way we can.

 

I am living in an area where there are some farms near by, so might be ok here but im worried about city dwellers when the pinch starts to really kick in.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2020 by Alnitak
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[Alnitak]

3 hours ago, chocomel said:

 

Who would have thought KFC and McD will be shutting down?

Prospect of becoming vegan....is unappetising.

 

Anyway, BBC has been running an article about food shortages so I think they are trying to start another shenanigans. It's all planned.

I had my first Indian takeaway since the lockdown and they've priced thing up to compensate the loss. I don't blame them...they need to survive.

 

The problem with stockpiling is that aside from pasta, rice, tinned food (which isn't that great but will do...) many things that we need are perishable.

I know there was an excellent prepper thread in the old forum "How to" and people bought tight seal buckets, mylar bags, vaccuum sealing etc..... But again, you need extra room....

So you'd have a hydroponic garden in one room and stock room the other. If you live in less than 3 beds for one person then you are fucked.

Ive got a lounge as my kids class room/you tube/gaming room and a dinning room as my work room as no room left to swing a cat, let alone put a few plant pots. Im living in a house, for people living in flats in these conditions must be a frigging nightmare right now.

[chocomel]

57 minutes ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

Er, not really....out of a population of 8.5 million we lost 3 million either through starvation or emigration in "coffin ships" over a five year period due to potato blight.

 

 

Maybe not ideal. There could be a possibility of "power cuts" due to staff issues during 2nd wave Coronavirus maybe?

Although they may decide against that because people wouldn't be able to access their terror-vision in the sitting room or charge their spy-phone, sorry iPhones.

 

Are you sure you're not that dude in "The Five Year Engagement"?

• • • 00:33:14 Welcome to the team, dude.

    • 00:33:16 TARQUIN: I've pickled everything, really.

    • 00:33:18 I've pickled beets, pickled peanut butter.

    • 00:33:23 I pickled a sandwich. I pickled batteries.

    • 00:33:26 I pickled weed.

    • 

 

 

 

After careful thought, I don't think they will allow power cut in the UK. They need to keep on spying and keep people hooked on addiction called iphone.

 

I've never heard of the dude....that's interesting. I watch the Russian hacker with husky though. He's funny.

[chocomel]

14 minutes ago, Alnitak said:

Ive got a lounge as my kids class room/you tube/gaming room and a dinning room as my work room as no room left to swing a cat, let alone put a few plant pots. Im living in a house, for people living in flats in these conditions must be a frigging nightmare right now.

 

I tell you, these living circumstance is actually driving people to poverty in a spiritual sense as well...let alone they are getting pay cut etc....

But still, I look on the brighter side to say, I have a roof over my head, food on the table and nothing is static. All is well and so far so good.

Edited June 19, 2020 by chocomel

[Alnitak]

The government need to picture this, family of 5 living in a 2 or 3 bedroom flat without a balcony or a tiny balcony as most flats have. One family member working from home in their lounge which is also the dinning room, play room, exercise room, clothes drying room. Stuck like that for months, would they like it? Matt Hancock should try it for 3 months, see how he likes. 

 

Going off topic here, but need to rant. I knew this was going to run into June in March when this kicked off.... We almost 3 months in! I need to rant, can go to work indoors, and can go and buy clothes or other stuff but cant go and see your family indoors. 

[motleyhoo]

Regarding dehydrating.  This is very easy, and a dehydrator is just a one time cost that you can use for years.   What you dehydrate you can store in sealed mylar bags with O2 absorbers for many years.   One thing that's very easy to dehydrate is mushrooms.  Always dehydrate on just warm air, <120F to protect nutrients.  Best to dehydrate anything called a superfood for maximum density of nutrients.

[Alnitak]

I think we do mostly need to start eating less. We definately dont need 3 full meals a day, 1 main meal and 2 snacks/medium sized eats is enough. It will help us all to reduce our food intake unless we are already under weight. Im on 2 meals a day at the moment but i think i can go down further and thats my aim in the next month or two. 

[Storm in the garden]

1 hour ago, Alnitak said:

The government need to picture this, family of 5 living in a 2 or 3 bedroom flat without a balcony or a tiny balcony as most flats have. One family member working from home in their lounge which is also the dinning room, play room, exercise room, clothes drying room. Stuck like that for months, would they like it? Matt Hancock should try it for 3 months, see how he likes.

 

Do you honestly think they would care one iota about you or anyone else in a similar situation?

Anyone in the higher echelons of politics are selected because they are fulfilling an agenda, regardless of the country.

If they are willing to push vaccines which they know are being concocted in response to a false pandemic, and if they know large numbers of old people are dying alone because of a  lockdown created in response to a bogus virus, do you honestly think they care because you are in a stressful home situation?

As David Icke has emphasised many times, these people are psychopaths and have no empathy whatsoever.

I sympathise with your plight because I understand how difficult it must be, and I know how difficult I would find it to be in a similar situation.

But these "people"? They are automatons, selected because they have no feelings and can smile for the cameras and can fulfill the agenda. Nothing more.

 

[Alnitak]

11 minutes ago, Storm in the garden said:

 

Do you honestly think they would care one iota about you or anyone else in a similar situation?

Anyone in the higher echelons of politics are selected because they are fulfilling an agenda, regardless of the country.

If they are willing to push vaccines which they know are being concocted in response to a false pandemic, and if they know large numbers of old people are dying alone because of a  lockdown created in response to a bogus virus, do you honestly think they care because you are in a stressful home situation?

As David Icke has emphasised many times, these people are psychopaths and have no empathy whatsoever.

I sympathise with your plight because I understand how difficult it must be, and I know how difficult I would find it to be in a similar situation.

But these "people"? They are automatons, selected because they have no feelings and can smile for the cameras and can fulfill the agenda. Nothing more.

 

Your absolutely right, they dont give a crap. But when we win this battle i think Hancock and others should be sentenced to at least 10 years in a pokey flat  with their family and only allowed to leave for 1 hour a day in my humble opinion. 

[motleyhoo]

6 hours ago, Alnitak said:

I think we do mostly need to start eating less. We definately dont need 3 full meals a day, 1 main meal and 2 snacks/medium sized eats is enough. It will help us all to reduce our food intake unless we are already under weight. Im on 2 meals a day at the moment but i think i can go down further and thats my aim in the next month or two. 

 

Unless you have a metabolism like mine, which is akin to that of a cheetah.

 

[kj35]

18 hours ago, Tinfoil Hat said:

 

It's happened each year. Everything seems to be thriving, then almost overnight, everything goes black. I'm thinking it's a kind of mould because it marks the whitewashed walls. I think it might be that there's not good air flow or something, but I'm not sure.

 

The hive idea might be suitable for a small yard. I do have some flowers planted, and lemon balm, which they love (and I do too). I'll look into it.

If it happened late may it was the frosts. You might not see actual frost but the leaves wilt and die and go black overnight. I lost all my runner beans borlotti beans and marrows. It's been the worst allotment season on record.

Edited June 20, 2020 by kj35