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4 minutes ago, jupiter12 said:

I can see why the movie 'Prometheus' was the next logical step to be made in the Alien franchise ,, because it alleges the original engineers/creators ,, hated what they genetically engineered on Earth ,, 

 

 

Maybe that's why God is known as someone who comes back now and again and wipes us out.  Then, he has to start the experiment all over again, hoping next time maybe he'll get it right.

 

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The virus, the masks, the test kits, the self-isolation, the social distancing, the social shaming, the dissolution of an independent truthful news media - each one of these individually has been used

Just skimming through some of the posts in this topic...   The Way Out Of This Mess   We are not going to get out of this mess if we waste our time and energy arguing and bickering

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The only ones that ever seem to get it right are Zionist billionaires that control everything ,, $$$$$ ,, coz they know money is the new god ,,

 

1920 ,, The great depression and pandemic ,, 

 

2020 ,, the next great depression and pandemic ,, !:classic_ohmy:

 

These global controllers sure herd the sheepies in a very numerical fashion ,,

 

And ,, to make it easy ,, the sheepies flock to their slave masters and think a rebellion is going to a beach under so called lockdown conditions ,,

 

To be honest ,, it is all a bit of a mess ,, a mess engineered by the bloodline zionist satanic  masonic reptiles,, who don't wan't the sheepies to even know they exist in the shadows ,,

 

But ,, there is always hope ,, and a chance of change! ?

 

Because that's what the politicians keep repeating every election ,,

 

But ,, alas ,, the rich seem to get richer and poverty seems to increase and nothing seems to change ,, !

 

Oh but it does ,, technology changes ,, the total control system advances every second ,, digital control of all planetary money and information ,, reason ,, control ,, and more and more control of the slaves ,,

 

 

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On 6/23/2020 at 11:00 PM, motleyhoo said:

 

Maybe that's why God is known as someone who comes back now and again and wipes us out.  Then, he has to start the experiment all over again, hoping next time maybe he'll get it right.

 

 

If he's all seeing, all powerful and all knowing as is claimed then he's not very good at his job then is he?

People think he's Jurgen Klopp but he sounds more like Alan Pardew.

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On 6/19/2020 at 11:21 AM, oz93666 said:

The controllers are way ahead of you ...ALL the main religions are expecting the arrival of the Mahdi / returning Christ etc  so they hope to get all religions united in support of this fake  messianic figure soon to arrive ... That's plan 'A' anyway ... nothing is certain ... but the vatican has been making preparations for this...

 

Important to understand a coalition of malevolent ET's is at the root of it all controlling the cabal , Vatican  and humans by mind influencing tech .... 

 

The only way to defeat them is pray for Divine Intervention  

 

oz ,, please give the forum members an example of what you constantly pray for ,,?

 

Get rid of the elites maybe ,, ?

 

Make the poor rich! make the rich poor ,,

 

Get rid of evil ,, ?

 

Or do you pray for your own safe keeping? ,, and if so ,, what about everyone else?

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4 hours ago, jupiter12 said:

 

oz ,, please give the forum members an example of what you constantly pray for ,,?

 

OK ... let me answer that in the context of the title of this thread ....  The way out of this mess?

 

We are informed by the most reliable source we have , that humanity is totally outgunned , we cannot escape this mess by resistance alone ... The forces pitted against us are a coalition of 4 separate malevolent ET groups .... some are billions of years old , and they have been subjugating civilizations for a long time on many planets ... these physical ET's are in league with evil spirits ... entities can get into the minds of people , possess them to varying degrees  ....Nearly all people have these dark spirit attachments , influencing them on a daily basis , encouraging short temperedness , wrong ideas and sabotaging their lives in general .... In addition we are subject to electronic mind-control... these together explains all the craziness we see from people around us.... So our thoughts often are not our own ..... Only assistance from higher beings can defeat this .....

 

So there are legions of Benign entities very keen to help .... but in this free will experiment rules dictate they can only assist if we ask  ...We have to first believe in Creator and evolved helpful beings and then ask for help .....

 

You can pray for anything ... if the goal is in Divine alignment , help will come ....  So I Pray for healing for my bad tooth ...good health in  general , a successful transition (not to get stuck in purgatory , a big risk) ..... But most of all .....

 

We are advised the most important thing we can Pray for is healing and forgiveness for the dark forces , so they change their ways and move on ...

This is crucial at this time , humanity faces the very real possibility of complete extermination within around a 5 year time frame.  

 

So it's all about getting enough people Praying , and staying alive as long as possible (once dead you are out of the game and just a spectator)  

 

getwisdom.com/channeling-series/page/3/

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David has already given us the solutions: Follow your intuition. Don't live in fear. Don't acquiesce to stupidity. Always seek the truth. Speak the truth to sow the seed of free-thinking in the minds of others, and don't worry about the consequences. It may bring short-term pain upon us, but if you believe that you/we are just a unique point of attention of infinite consciousness having a brief experience we call "life", and that "bad" experiences help us to evolve spiritually, what's the worry? Indeed, it may bring rewards very quickly. Love is the only answer, and one of the most painful parts will be when others, even close family, think you are doing something bad, but well, they might be incorrect, but that is part of the savage beauty of life.

 

OK, so the above might not sound very practical, but let's not get tied in knots by "intellectualising" our way out of this. Try following your heart, and the solutions will come to you. 

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People should come together no matter whatever illusion we think divides us. Our differences are not capable of dividing us if we cooperate and treat each other with the same level of respect. This can be indeed only achieved with Infinite Love, but to put it into practical and "down to earth" kind of way....empathy. In my experience empathy opens the heart and connects the consciousness with the sub-consciousness. No need for prayer for salvation and all that. We are that divine power when we are united. So stop praying and start getting to work people!

 

No matter what we think that divides us, it's ALL illusion and bollocks. ALL of it.

 

 

"Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses" - Plato - 

 

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@AXPCalledJeff    Hey Jeff.  People don't pray.  Who's praying, very small parts of the population these days.  So, no need to guess what the outcome of not praying is ... it's here.  Has it worked out the way you think it would have?   Is there something else you are recommending after not praying?  Some finishing touch?  What is it?  You say it's empathy and infinity love ... what is it you want people to do exactly?
Nearly everyone I know and my neighbours they are not praying they do zero religious practice and don't believe in anything like that.  So job done.  What happens next?   I think the whole country is like that now.  So ... you say ... what's supposed to happen now?

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43 minutes ago, rideforever said:

@AXPCalledJeff    Hey Jeff.  People don't pray.  Who's praying, very small parts of the population these days.  So, no need to guess what the outcome of not praying is ... it's here.  

 

This I find an incredible weak argument, no insult intended, but I guess we can also try eating ten pickled unions everyday from now on, because we have seen the outcome of not eating ten pickled unions each day.

 

And what I think is supposed to happen now if, I'll take you as an example, you can distance yourself from your personal believes just enough to cooperate with people and look beyond your own personal experiences. This is about all of us in this world, not just your believes, religion, country, family etc. Once you can realise that, we can unify against the agenda 21/NWO agenda. Achieving this with non-compliance, cooperation and upholding each others rights of freedom of speech, religion and equality no matter race, gender, religion etc. 

 

If we would all stop paying income tax, totally ignore the tv, facebook and sources from google, greatly cut down our use of smartphones, wi-fi and start coming together growing fresh, natural food and put Monsanto and the whole GMO industry out of business (I got plenty of non-violent ideas for that) and support each other politically no matter what our differences; I think the world will be unregnizable from what it is now for the better. 

 

I said it before a while back rideforever, we do have our common grounds despite our personal believes. Let's unite under those values and let our differences be the dog's bollocks.

 

"I looked in temples, churches and mosques, but I found the Divine in my heart." - Rumi - 

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Well like I said already the world is atheist, so you can stop talking as if you live in a religious world, you don't.

But as for your forecast of great joy ... people are not doing all those things you think they would do without religion.  Already they have no religion, you have your wish completed.  But then they didn't do the second part of your dream.

 

So what do you want to do now?  You can to campaign for people to stop paying income tax?  And then who will maintain society?
Or do you want to storm the Parliament and have a coup, forcefully takeover the Government?  Is that what you want?
And after that ?
Will you have democratic elections ... or will you decide on the policy?

What is is that you actually want to do?  I don't hear any proposals, just complaints.
What are your proposals?

 

You say that this is about all of usi ... well is it ? 

When you say all of us what do you mean?

Because people do different things.  They think different things ... well no so much these days ... but I don't really know they seem to want different things and so on.

So ... Jeff if you want them to all campaign together aren't you really saying that you want them to do what you want?
Is that it ?
You want them to do what you want and ... maybe you'll pass some laws to prevent them doing anything else?

You say it's not about a person's "believes, religion, country, family" ... well is there something else?  If you take those things from people ... what's left ... the internet?

 

You say that it's not about you ... and you should ... let me know if I am not interpreting you correctly but you seem to be saying that if somebody has "believes, religion, country, family"  then they should put them away and not let their personal ideas get in the way of the big campaign.   So all those things that people find important to them ... they should stuff in a draw and not think about them anymore?  To me that seems like the NWO agenda, when you de-humanize people and remove from them their normal things of life.

And you tell them ... no you can't do normal human things because .... we've got  big campaign and your stuff ain't important.  That to me seems like the NWO rather than the solution.

I'm just following through with your ideas ... let me know if I am not interpreting you correctly.

 

On the subject of gender ... you seem to be saying that laws should be passed so that there are no attitudes towards gender.  So I suppose what's happening now with young children being taught that their are no genders ... and so they can cut off their breasts and vaginas ... is just great, because we have don't have any opinions.

Is that what you think?

And we should put some laws down to make sure kids are taught like that.
Let me know if I am not interpreting you correctly.

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, rideforever said:

I'm just following through with your ideas ... let me know if I am not interpreting you correctly.

Hard to believe someone is truly this close minded. You interpet everything through some deranged filter and at the same time YOU do all complaining. It's just one assumption after another. If you think all is lost and society breaks down because people would stop pay income tax, and not eat GMO's and ignore the google owned info sources you should be a host on the tonight show.

 

Your reaction shows clearly you need something in life that tells you what to think and because of this you lack the depth and creativity to actually add something worthwhile. Every post I read from you is made with the same close minded indoctrinated song you keep singing. 

16 minutes ago, rideforever said:

And you tell them ... no you can't do normal human things because .... we've got  big campaign and your stuff ain't important.  That to me seems like the NWO rather than the solution.

This comment shows you obviously are demented, you really need help. Where do you come up with this? 

 

I can no longer believe you are a genuine person with good intent. 

36 minutes ago, AXPCalledJeff said:

I said it before a while back rideforever, we do have our common grounds despite our personal believes. Let's unite under those values and let our differences be the dog's bollocks

Obviously I was wrong about that, you only seek conflict and to create confusion. You are just not as good at it as you think. 

 

I wish you good mental health

 

"A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave." - Ghandi -

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I'm in my first year allotment gardening. It's going very well. Eating organically is starting to make an impact on both my physical and mental health.

 

I find I thrive in company of people.  I start to feel like every thing is pointless if I'm isolated. 

 

So for me the daily ritual of sowing caring growing and cooking . Eating communally.  Seeing peope sharing thoughts ideas. That makes me happy. 

 

Its exactly these areas that have been hijacked. Gmo and glysophates in food chain. Isolation because of 'covid ' . Not hugging those I love but don't live with. Meeting new people. Seeing a smile. 

 

I like people..generally. 

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Me too! And so we cannot allow our social and communal values be censored or supressed. The isolation conviently makes sure not too many people can meet and share ideas and opinions. Can you imagine what would happen if we, when we dare to be honest, realise we all want an end to the COVID lunacy and we start asking independent critical questions? 

 

But we are getting at this point people are starting to ask suchs questions but admittedly, it could do with a little more tempo in my opinion 😉

 

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is discovering them." - Galileo - 

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@AXPCalledJeff

 

There are quite a few people like you around these days.  You say everything is an illusion.  Right.  It's all a mirage.

So ... why then do you care what people do.

What do you want to change anything.

If it's an illusion what's bothering you so much you want to take things from people by force?

 

You want to take away people's families, nations, beliefs ... strip them naked and shave their head give them a bar code.

Take away from them everything they value.

 

If it's all an illusion why do you want to take everything that people value from them?

And forcefully as well, break the government, break people's ideas.

 

You are violent and vicious fool.

Just like every sadist who has no place in this world other than to destroy.

 

Meanwhile your dumb dream that money will rain from the sky after you have done your business on people ... it's a dumb dream.

But what do you care anyway.

You can just laugh whilst you are doing it all ... as it's just an illusion.

 

Then you cry your eyes out and declare ... oh I'm leaving this place where nobody wants me to be their leader.

Wow.

And part of your ungrounded dream is you think is "questioning" things ...

You crticize everyone and want to change things by force, and you think that's "questioning" things ...

 

I don't see you being any different from the NWO.  You have the same agenda.  Run a train over people's heads because your idea is the only idea that counts.

 

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53 minutes ago, AXPCalledJeff said:

Me too! And so we cannot allow our social and communal values be censored or supressed. The isolation conviently makes sure not too many people can meet and share ideas and opinions. Can you imagine what would happen if we, when we dare to be honest, realise we all want an end to the COVID lunacy and we start asking independent critical questions? 

 

But we are getting at this point people are starting to ask suchs questions but admittedly, it could do with a little more tempo in my opinion 😉

 

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is discovering them." - Galileo - 

Couldn't agree more. Don't let the weirdos put you off. If you start getting trolled because you talk sense like this. You can bet you're on the right path. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, rideforever said:

@AXPCalledJeff

 

There are quite a few people like you around these days.  You say everything is an illusion.  Right.  It's all a mirage.

So ... why then do you care what people do.

What do you want to change anything.

If it's an illusion what's bothering you so much you want to take things from people by force?

 

You want to take away people's families, nations, beliefs ... strip them naked and shave their head give them a bar code.

Take away from them everything they value.

 

If it's all an illusion why do you want to take everything that people value from them?

And forcefully as well, break the government, break people's ideas.

 

You are violent and vicious fool.

Just like every sadist who has no place in this world other than to destroy.

 

Meanwhile your dumb dream that money will rain from the sky after you have done your business on people ... it's a dumb dream.

But what do you care anyway.

You can just laugh whilst you are doing it all ... as it's just an illusion.

 

Then you cry your eyes out and declare ... oh I'm leaving this place where nobody wants me to be their leader.

Wow.

And part of your ungrounded dream is you think is "questioning" things ...

You crticize everyone and want to change things by force, and you think that's "questioning" things ...

 

I don't see you being any different from the NWO.  You have the same agenda.  Run a train over people's heads because your idea is the only idea that counts.

 

Thanks for making my day, I'm crying here in laughter. 🤣

 

Every single thing you post here, is wrong and without a single piece of proof or reference. 😂

 

You expose yourself here, no one else, and you don't even see it.

 

"Any fool can make things bigger, more complex and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot courage to move in the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein -

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@AXPCalledJeff

 

It's just like what you said about Krishnamurti. 

You never read a single thing he wrote yet you have an opinion on how shit it all is, a big conspiracy that you've got to correct.

And you think that's "research", or infinite "love".

No, don't bother thinking about the things you say.

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1 minute ago, rideforever said:

@AXPCalledJeff

 

It's just like what you said about Krishnamurti. 

You never read a single thing he wrote yet you have an opinion on how shit it all is, a big conspiracy that you've got to correct.

And you think that's "research", or infinite "love".

No, don't bother thinking about the things you say.

Once again, every sentence you post here is wrong 😂

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1 minute ago, rideforever said:

@AXPCalledJeff

Another opinion?

I think you've taken the idea that you are an illusion too seriously.

 

Nope, I expressed all my opinions I have to say. If there is anyone on this forum that doesn't see that you are a complete lunatic, I feel generally sorry for them. 

 

"The moments you simply cannot find any quotes that express what you're feeling, it just is. Those are the moments that made me." Geoffrey R. Schouten

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1 minute ago, AXPCalledJeff said:

I expressed all my opinions

 

Yes you have expressed all your many opinions about what is wrong with everyone except you.

You were "blown away" by that article ... written by someone who never read anything by JK.

Great research.

Your 'research' and your opinions are sort of one thing aren't they.

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If you say so. Whatever you want. You have fun with all that!

 

My regards to the voices in your head.

 

Good-bye now! 

 

"If the butterfly wings its way to the sweet light that attracts it, it's only because it doesn't know that the fire can consume it." - Giordano Bruno - 

 

 

 

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