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There are scientific models which describe how relatively short-term solar cycles (compared to Milankovitch cycles) can drive climate.

 

The orbits of the planets affect solar activity because the sun moves around the barycenter (center of mass of the solar system), resulting in tidal forces within the sun. When the planets are evenly spaced around the sun the barycenter is close to the center of the sun, but when they are grouped on one side of the solar system the barycenter is located at the sun's surface or beyond, resulting in tidal forces and a more active sun.

 

Observed changes in total solar radiation are fairly small, but the climate effects are amplified by the way that cosmic radiation affects cloud cover.

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Hi Theo, 

 

Didn't we enter a solar minimum I'm 2012? I seem to recall that being the date but I might be wrong. Interesting stuff in terms of the global warming agenda and the actual reality that our weather is cyclical and always has been. It amuses me when they refer to "when records began" like it's some far distant past that weather recorded, when in actual fact, weather recording is not much more than 100 years old. 

 

So how they can base models on data of around 100 years is anyone's guess. Was probably recorded after the mud flood, how convenient. 

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On 6/14/2020 at 11:07 AM, theo102 said:

The month of June is breaking records across the Greenland ice sheet, and not records for warmth and melt – as the mainstream media have trained you to expect…

But new benchmarks for COLD and GAINS.

 

https://strangesounds.org/2020/06/greenland-ice-gains-ice-sheet-increases.html

 

 

No it isn't. This is classic hearsay from blog to blog. The DMI source for this data makes no such observations.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Carlos said:

No it isn't. This is classic hearsay from blog to blog. The DMI source for this data makes no such observations.

 

Good catch. The DMI doesn't support the idea that Greenland is gaining ice. Of course Greenland is so named because in the past it wasn't covered in ice, so the observation that Greenland is losing ice shouldn't be interpreted to mean that the planet is facing an impending climate catastrophe.

 

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54 minutes ago, theo102 said:

Of course Greenland is so named because in the past it wasn't covered in ice

 

Err not really.

https://skepticalscience.com/greenland-used-to-be-green.htm#:~:text=So how did Greenland get its name%3F According,would have been limited to rather small areas.

 

Any pending Earth climate crisis will be probably in 40- 50 years at a guess. I'll be well out of here and will recommend any surviving relatives stay inland😄

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Whatever

No, really. They are full of shit because they call the Medieval Warm Period the "Medieval Climatic Anomaly". The MWP is only an anomaly if you believe in Mann's fake hockeystick graph, where he spliced two different datasets in such a way as to "hide the decline" (also known as "Mike's Nature trick").

 

 

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8 hours ago, theo102 said:

No, really. They are full of shit because they call the Medieval Warm Period the "Medieval Climatic Anomaly". The MWP is only an anomaly if you believe in Mann's fake hockeystick graph, where he spliced two different datasets in such a way as to "hide the decline" (also known as "Mike's Nature trick").

 

 

 

 I have no doubt it is littered with errors, but they are correct about Greenland. Your source?

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22 hours ago, Carlos said:

 

 I have no doubt it is littered with errors, but they are correct about Greenland. Your source?

They're not correct about Greenland.

 

"The Greenland ice sheet is at least 400,000 years old and warming was not global when Europeans settled in Greeland 1,000 years ago"

 

New paper shows Medieval Warm Period was global in scope

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/31/new-paper-shows-medieval-warm-period-was-global-in-scope/

 

This review begins with the study of Dahl-Jensen et al. (1998), who used temperature measurements from two Greenland Ice Sheet boreholes to reconstruct the temperature history of this portion of the earth over the past 50,000 years. Their data indicated that after the termination of the glacial period, temperatures steadily rose to a maximum of 2.5°C warmer than at present during the Holocene Climatic Optimum (4,000 to 7,000 years ago). The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) and Little Ice Age (LIA) were also observed in the record, with temperatures 1°C warmer and 0.5-0.7°C cooler than at the time of their writing, respectively. 

...

... between about 1100 and 700 years before present (BP), indicative of the summer presence of significant numbers of seabirds during that “medieval warm period,” ...

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/23/the-medieval-warm-period-in-the-arctic/

 

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2 hours ago, theo102 said:

They're not correct about Greenland.

 

"The Greenland ice sheet is at least 400,000 years old and warming was not global when Europeans settled in Greeland 1,000 years ago"

 

New paper shows Medieval Warm Period was global in scope

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/31/new-paper-shows-medieval-warm-period-was-global-in-scope/

 

This review begins with the study of Dahl-Jensen et al. (1998), who used temperature measurements from two Greenland Ice Sheet boreholes to reconstruct the temperature history of this portion of the earth over the past 50,000 years. Their data indicated that after the termination of the glacial period, temperatures steadily rose to a maximum of 2.5°C warmer than at present during the Holocene Climatic Optimum (4,000 to 7,000 years ago). The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) and Little Ice Age (LIA) were also observed in the record, with temperatures 1°C warmer and 0.5-0.7°C cooler than at the time of their writing, respectively. 

...

... between about 1100 and 700 years before present (BP), indicative of the summer presence of significant numbers of seabirds during that “medieval warm period,” ...

 

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/23/the-medieval-warm-period-in-the-arctic/

 

 

Cheers - I'll concede👍

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Back on topic:

 

Grand Solar Minimum Incoming

Solar Cycle 25 may be spluttering into life, but all is once-again quiet on the earth-facing solar disc: there are no sunspots — in fact, there haven’t been any for the past 6 days (as of Aug 27, 2020).

Solar activity is the driving force of Earth’s climate. This definition of obvious is only disputed by the misinformed, and by those with a financial or political motive.

High solar activity — as we’ve enjoyed for the past 100-or-so years — has delivered our planet a stable, predictable climate under-which we modern humans have had the opportunity to thrive and successfully advance our technological society.

However, and as with all good things, these predictable days are ending: the Sun’s output is waning to levels not seen for the past 200 years, to a reduction in activity not experienced since the Dalton Minimum (1790-1830). And as with every great and advancing civilization of the past, a time comes when the consequences of a solar shutdown need to be contended. We need to prepare for the wild swings-between-extremes brought about by an increasingly weak & wavy (meridional) jet stream, we need to be aware of a powerful volcanic uptick witnessed during times of low solar activity, as well as cloud-nucleating Cosmic Rays, and, perhaps most crucially, an overall cooling of the planet.

Crops are always the first to go. And our modern delicately-balanced, chemical-dependent, monocropping-ways simply aren’t prepared for a violent shift in the climate — as Robert Felix has long been warning, “I fear that we will be fighting in the streets for food long before we’re covered by ice.”

Today comes the news that the UK has just suffered its worst wheat harvest of the past 40 years, prompting fears of higher prices of flour, and subsequently of bread and other flour-based products.

This season’s growing conditions have been typical of the swings-between-extremes we would expect to see during a Grand Solar Minimum. Britain’s farmers have just struggled through the wettest autumn since 2000, in which only 60% of what could be planted actually went in the ground, then came the wettest February on record, followed by the sunniest Spring and driest May on record, and then, for good measure, came the coldest July since 1988.

“[God has] fried my crops, frozen them, drowned them and then drowned them again,” lamented Jeremy Clarkson regarding the inclement weather conditions at his farm in west Oxfordshire.

And while the agenda of the day puts the blame for these swings firmly at the feet of Man and his inconsequential CO2-excretions, only an imbecile can hold onto this theory after any modicum of digging. And while I accept that not everybody is convinced the period we’re headed into will be akin to the Maunder Minimum, the weather extremes and overall cooling of the planet are most-certainly linked to the reduced output of the Sun.

Summer, 2020 across Europe has been a short one.

 

 

Read more: https://electroverse.net/grand-solar-minimum-incoming/

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10.7 -0.7 provisional, to the 16th.

And september turned out around average in the end.

Yes its been a blocked october so far with frequent chilly Nlys and NElys but nothing that cold just supressed temps,looks like getting milder next week but wetter with Slys

October 2012 ended as 9.7c.

2003 was 9.2c.

1993 made 8.5c

1992 was 7.8c so the coldest in recent times.

 

 

Now a headline like this is so deceiving with extreme cold bias.

https://electroverse.net/uk-set-for-its-coldest-october-on-record/

Through both September and October, temperatures in the UK have held well-below average.

According to the long-running Mean Central England Temperature Record (CET), October, 2020 is currently running at 11.2C (to the 12th), which gives an anomaly of -0.6C below the 1961-1990 climatological average (an historically cold era btw).

 

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