Antarctica

[alexa]

29 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Nope. That is a fictional map of Utopia. Who told you it was the underworld?

 

Well it's in the  Lazeria Map Collection.

 

 

[Comedy Time]

3 minutes ago, alexa said:

 

Well it's in the  Lazeria Map Collection.

 

Is it? That is a fictional map of Utopia. Who told you it was the underworld?

[alexa]

7 minutes ago, Comedy Time said:

Is it? That is a fictional map of Utopia. Who told you it was the underworld?

 

 

[DaleP]

 

[zArk]

10 hours ago, DaleP said:

 

so hang on ... does the ice raise up 2.2 miles (video mark 2min 04secs) or is the lake and land below sealevel by 2miles?

 

If the former then how did 2.2 miles depth of ice form above sea level

if the latter then where'd all the water come from to raise sea levels and form the ice layer?

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The vast majority of Antarctica is covered by the Antarctic ice sheet, a sheet of ice that averages 1.9 km (1.2 mi; 6,200 ft) in thickness.^[44] It extends to all but a few Antarctic oases, which, with the exception of the McMurdo Dry Valleys, are located in coastal areas.^[45][46] The continent has about 90% of the world's ice. If all of this ice were melted, sea levels would rise about 58 m (190 ft).^[47] In most of the interior of the continen

 

so how can there be a lake under the 2miles of ice ??? if it all melted, it would be 58m below the sea.

Edited February 10, 2022 by zArk
to add to my query

[Seth]

40 minutes ago, zArk said:

so hang on ... does the ice raise up 2.2 miles (video mark 2min 04secs) or is the lake and land below sealevel by 2miles?

 

 

Key physical features - Discovering Antarctica

Due to this ice cover, Antarctica has the highest average surface elevation of all the continents at around 2000m above sea level (for comparison, the highest peak in the British Isles, Ben Nevis in Scotland, is 1343m); yet in many places the ice surface is much higher than this. In the region of the East Antarctic Ice Sheet known as Dome A the surface elevation is over 4000m. 

 

40 minutes ago, zArk said:

If the former then how did 2.2 miles depth of ice form above sea level

if the latter then where'd all the water come from to raise sea levels and form the ice layer?

 

 

That is a fairly bad strawman argument. Ice sheets form from compressed snow and it's a fairly simple concept to grasp. The sea level has no rise and needed none to accomodate this ice sheet formation.

 

40 minutes ago, zArk said:

so how can there be a lake under the 2miles of ice ??? if it all melted, it would be 58m below the sea.

 

You aren't thinking this through. The ice sheet and or bedrock forms the higher parts of Antarctica. Such is the volume of ice above sea level on top of the bedrock, its melting would produce a 58m rise in sea level. What the underground lake would do is simply merge with the rise. It's fairly simple if you think about it. Antarctica is completely different to the Arctic which is just floating ice. If that melts, it doesn't affect sea level.

 

 

[zArk]

23 minutes ago, Seth said:

That is a fairly bad strawman argument. Ice sheets form from compressed snow and it's a fairly simple concept to grasp.

 

just find it incredible that the driest places on earth , Lake Vostok and Dome A , have the deepest ice sheets.

 

its as if it froze in a very very short space of time rather than over a long period i.e the earth crust displacement theory as opposed to 100 million years ago it formed

 

31 minutes ago, Seth said:

You aren't thinking this through. The ice sheet and or bedrock forms the higher parts of Antarctica

yes, i see . The fresh water lake is/was 500m below sealevel before the 'big freeze' happened

[Seth]

7 minutes ago, zArk said:

just find it incredible that the driest places on earth , Lake Vostok and Dome A , have the deepest ice sheets.

 

 

The interior is very dry, that's for sure, but it does get snow and of course it never melts. It just builds up overe time because of the extreme cold. Makes perfect sense.

 

7 minutes ago, zArk said:

its as if it froze in a very very short space of time rather than over a long period i.e the earth crust displacement theory as opposed to 100 million years ago it formed

 

 

No, that doesn't make sense. A sudden crust displacement may well explain sudden ectreme cold, as we have seen with some mammoth discoveries, but it would not explain the high ice sheets.

 

7 minutes ago, zArk said:

yes, i see . The fresh water lake is/was 500m below sealevel before the 'big freeze' happened

 

Could well be. Other places on Earth also show significantly lower levels than general sea level. The Dead Sea:

The greatest depressions: Finding Earth's lowest spots | CNN Travel

 

If Antarctica suddenly melted, Lake Vostok would become the lowest lake on Earth.

 

 

[zArk]

1 minute ago, Seth said:

The interior is very dry, that's for sure, but it does get snow and of course it never melts. It just builds up overe time because of the extreme cold. Makes perfect sense

 it is the dominant theory for its creation no doubt

 

and i accept that all musings on the data is within a very very controlled and confined world that is called Antarctica.

 

 

 

 

[Seth]

8 minutes ago, zArk said:

 it is the dominant theory for its creation no doubt

 

 

It's the only one that explains its structure and it really isn't something that can be classified as a theory. Snow settles in extreme cold and compresses over time. The actual formation of the continent itself ties in with continental drift and clear evidence of coastline breakaway - this is the part that has many varying theories, but not a massive difference between them. Maybe you know of ones that are less publicised.

 

8 minutes ago, zArk said:

and i accept that all musings on the data is within a very very controlled and confined world that is called Antarctica.

 

I don't get what you are talking about. Precipitation can be viewed and assessed from a myriad of weather satellites. Though there are numerous scientific stations on the continent, it is by no means a confined place. Only the extreme cold makes this a place that sets it apart.

[zArk]

35 minutes ago, Seth said:

It's the only one that explains its structure and it really isn't something that can be classified as a theory.

hmmm i doubt its the only one that explains it. i am sure if i did some research (which i wont) i could find at least 4 alternative ideas to the formation of antarctic ice sheets .

 

in my opinion any model that requires 150million years to support it , is a theory. :D

35 minutes ago, Seth said:

I don't get what you are talking about.

oh i mean the data released by all these Stations and Nations and Scientists can be said to be

1. controlled

2. partial, complete or overegged

3. misleading

 

just from a political, national and military perspective. Never mind the incredible security around a piece of land with ice on top of it. Is there fabulous stores of coal,  oil and gas? incredible wealth of gold and silver?

Edited February 10, 2022 by zArk

[Firebird]

On 6/12/2020 at 9:35 AM, Infiniteforever said:

Anyone tell me what's in Antarctica? Some on twitter saying if you know what's there then you know why Trump is sending stuff there ?! 

 

Also someone saying ' we warned you don't go there? 

Really interested 

 

''here be dragons''

[Seth]

5 hours ago, zArk said:

hmmm i doubt its the only one that explains it. i am sure if i did some research (which i wont) i could find at least 4 alternative ideas to the formation of antarctic ice sheets .

 

 

It is the explanation. It's how they are formed and I am actually quite baffled why you would suggest alternatives to such an obviously logical and clear explanation. You doubt it? What in heavens name prompts doubt? I know you won't find any alternatives to such a straightforward process. 

 

5 hours ago, zArk said:

in my opinion any model that requires 150million years to support it , is a theory. :D

 

 

Now you are taking the explanation for the long term depth and formation to dispute the base fact. The ice is formed by non melting ice being compressed. It never melts so must be covered by the next fall, and the next one etc.

 

5 hours ago, zArk said:

oh i mean the data released by all these Stations and Nations and Scientists can be said to be

1. controlled

2. partial, complete or overegged

3. misleading

 

 

Anything 'can be said' to be anything by anyone. Being said to be something, however does not make it so. Your suggestions are just bare assetion and again extremely illogical with no evidence. There is nothing to gain from withholding data and based on the number of papers written on the antarctic region, everything to suggest that copious amounts of data are freely available.

 

5 hours ago, zArk said:

just from a political, national and military perspective. Never mind the incredible security around a piece of land with ice on top of it. Is there fabulous stores of coal,  oil and gas? incredible wealth of gold and silver?

 

Possibly, but the idea behind securing the land, limits the mining and plundering of these materials whether they exist or not. What point are you making here?

 

[zArk]

On 2/10/2022 at 9:24 PM, Seth said:

What point are you making here

a collective Nation policy to control Antarctic data leads to a authortarian narrative and agenda

 

of course one can trust in the system and believe wholeheartedly in the discoveries and research

 

i however think there is much much more at Antarctica than just ice with a bit of land under it and i think the data is a big deception

 

 

[Seth]

  

3 hours ago, zArk said:

a collective Nation policy to control Antarctic data leads to a authortarian narrative and agenda

 

of course one can trust in the system and believe wholeheartedly in the discoveries and research

 

i however think there is much much more at Antarctica than just ice with a bit of land under it and i think the data is a big deception

 

 

 

That makes no sense. Every nation agrees a treaty and none of the governments are authoritarian - that leads to open and mutual support. The idea is not to take one of the last untouched areas of the planet and turn it into a hellhole of mining and industry. It isn't a matter of trust, there are numerous groups of scientists doing their own research and sharing theior data and findings.

 

As for there being more than ice and land, without evidence you are engaging in wishful thinking. It's a big continent at the bottom of the Southern hemisphere and there are plenty tour companies who can show you around. There are also many polar satellites that provide weather data.

[zArk]

10 hours ago, Seth said:

 

That makes no sense. Every nation agrees a treaty and none of the governments are authoritarian - that leads to open and mutual support

between them, for their benefit and in a position without independent scrutiny. 

 

unauthorised people are not allowed at Antarctica.

 

they control everything

 

 

[Seth]

14 hours ago, zArk said:

between them, for their benefit and in a position without independent scrutiny. 

 

unauthorised people are not allowed at Antarctica.

 

they control everything

 

 

I'm happy that there is no mining there and that millions don't get allowed in to trash the place. That's what people do whenever they visit in large numbers.

 

There's no benefit to governments in not mining the place and the control is an instance where the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks. Anybody could get in a small boat with provisons and explore the place without telling anyone. It's not as though the perimeter is guarded - it's just not practical for anyone to do it, or safe.

 

Of course this absense of people and uncontrolled access leads to all these wildly speculative stories but none of it has any substance to back it up. Lots of people work there or visit:

 

The Antarctic Population - Who lives in Antarctica? (coolantarctica.com)

There are around 66 scientific bases in Antarctica, of which about 37 are occupied year round, the remainder are open during the summer and closed down for winter. There are about 4,000 people through the summer months and about 1,000 overwinter each year.

The US base at McMurdo Sound has up to 1,000 personnel at the peak time, this is the nearest there is to a town. With such a rapid turn-over of people, Antarctic bases are more like oil-rigs or military bases than towns.

 

The figures for the 2016-17 season show that there were 44,202 visitors. A little down on the figure of 47,225 in the peak season so far in 2007-08, though rising again after falling to 26,509 in 2011-12. The drop was due to the fact that large ships are no longer allowed to visit Antarctica due to fuel spillage dangers. 

[Morpheus]

13 minutes ago, Seth said:

Anybody could get in a small boat with provisons and explore the place without telling anyone

Erm no, no they can't. 

 

So I tell you what, here's a challenge for you. Get a small boat and provisions and try it. You can then tell us all how you got. 

 

I bet you won't get passed or very far passed the 66th parallel before being picked up and brought back to land. 

[Seth]

13 minutes ago, Morpheus said:

Erm no, no they can't. 

 

So I tell you what, here's a challenge for you. Get a small boat and provisions and try it. You can then tell us all how you got. 

 

I bet you won't get passed or very far passed the 66th parallel before being picked up and brought back to land. 

 

Erm yes they can. Thank you for the challenge, which I have no desire to do in the first place, provide me names of any person who has attempted and failed. Also, show me someone's account of how they got on.

 

As for the 66th parallel I'm betting that your bet would lose. The antarctic circle is 10,000 miles in circumference and you are suggesting that it is somehow policed all the way around? Anyone could go there if they were reckless enough and nobody would stop them, they'd just let the cold and the weather do it for them.

 

But even so, anyone can go there with permission to any part they wish - it's not as though they will be escorted during their stay.

 

Fly to the South Pole (polar-quest.com)

You Can Travel to Antarctica—and Here’s How (quarkexpeditions.com)

Sailing Antarctica: Record-breaking voyage around the southern continent (yachtingworld.com)

[zArk]

1 hour ago, Seth said:

I'm happy that there is no mining there and that millions don't get allowed in to trash the place. That's what people do whenever they visit in large numbers.

it was an example of what could be  being hidden .

There could be plenty of other things like frozen animals in the ice layers(yes contrary to the official theory)

People frozen under the ice

Types of frozen gases and water i.e frozen oxygen or frozen salt water, the types of gas or water could provide a different history to earth

 

i have a healthy distrust of all things official as our experience tells us they lie and lie and deceive not specifically for individual or group gain but for philosophical gain

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by zArk

[zArk]

37 minutes ago, Seth said:

 

 

But even so, anyone can go there with permission to any part they wish - it's not as though they will be escorted during their stay.

 

Fly to the South Pole (polar-quest.com)

You Can Travel to Antarctica—and Here’s How (quarkexpeditions.com)

Sailing Antarctica: Record-breaking voyage around the southern continent (yachtingworld.com)

thats what i said except for the 'go anywhere'. they cant. no-one is allowed outside the compartmentalised areas because as we all know compass needle goes mental.

 

 

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unauthorised people are not allowed at Antarctica.

 

 

Accommodation: Comfortable expedition tent at Union Glacier Camp. Transport: Airplane. Participants: 5 - 20 participants. Languages: English. Length: 6 eller 7 days. Price: USD 51 250

 

pretty much pricing most of the people out of the controlled and monitored event

its a status symbol event for the mega affluent to show off at dinner parties and mindwank themselves to sleep everynight. proper ego trip for the more money than sense

Edited February 14, 2022 by zArk

[zArk]

35 minutes ago, Seth said:

. The antarctic circle is 10,000 miles in circumference

bold statement. How did you determine that?

 

some would say that if you measure the coast line it would be around ermm 75,000 miles (taking the north pole to the south pole around 12,000 miles

Edited February 14, 2022 by zArk

[Seth]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

it was an example of what could be  being hidden .

There could be plenty of other things like frozen animals in the ice layers(yes contrary to the official theory)

People frozen under the ice

Types of frozen gases and water i.e frozen oxygen or frozen salt water, the types of gas or water could provide a different history to earth

 

i have a healthy distrust of all things official as our experience tells us they lie and lie and deceive not specifically for individual or group gain but for philosophical gain

 

Nothing wrong with mistrusting officialdom but all you are doing is speculating that the science expeditions and stations are all trying to hide the things you suggest are there. My belief based on disclosed data is that they would shout it from the rooftops if they found anything of note.

[Seth]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

bold statement. How did you determine that?

 

some would say that if you measure the coast line it would be around ermm 75,000 miles (taking the north pole to the south pole around 12,000 miles

 

Go back and read what I am replying to, the circumference of the globe on the 60th parallel is 10,000 miles. It's neither bold or inaccurate - basic math:

Antarctic Circle - Wikipedia

The circumference of the Antarctic Circle is roughly 16,000 kilometres (9,900 mi). The area south of the Circle is about 20,000,000 km² (7,700,000 sq mi) and covers roughly 4% of Earth's surface. Most of the continent of Antarctica is within the Antarctic Circle.

[Seth]

1 hour ago, zArk said:

thats what i said except for the 'go anywhere'. they cant. no-one is allowed outside the compartmentalised areas because as we all know compass needle goes mental.

 

This is not true, none of it is compartmentalized. You can travel anywhere you wish, the treaty is a generalized block for what it can be used for.

 

The Antarctic Treaty (1959) - British Antarctic Survey (bas.ac.uk)

 

Is it illegal to go to Antarctica? - Combadi - World Travel Site

Anyone can visit the continent. There are no territories. You can travel anywhere in Antarctica.

 

1 hour ago, zArk said:

pretty much pricing most of the people out of the controlled and monitored event

its a status symbol event for the mega affluent to show off at dinner parties and mindwank themselves to sleep everynight. proper ego trip for the more money than sense

 

That's an entirely different matter - it's hardly a popular tourist destination by volume, so the companies who provide tours need to charge accordingly. Safety is their major concern and the company insurance alone would be substantial.